Re: Fiber splice question

[Hank .]

Won't work and I can't imagine how any company that is the slightest bit
reputable would do that.
It is standard practice to use a test set to measure loss to determine if
the terminated strand(s) are usable. How could they have even packed up
their stuff thinking they did something usefuul?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins wrote:

>  I hope this is not off topic too much.  But, here goes:
>
> ** **
>
> We had a piece of multimode fiber that was damaged at a local high school.
> This piece of fiber ran no more than 300 yards from the main building to a
> field house.  
>
> ** **
>
> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside
> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
> single mode fiber.  Multimode fiber has a diameter of about 62.5 microns,
> single mode fiber has a diameter of 8 to 10 microns.  I have no idea if this
> is legal.
>
> ** **
>
> This piece of fiber will not light up for me.  The school purchased FX
> transceivers.  To my knowledge, FX transceivers will work with both single
> and multi mode fiber.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks 
>
> Shane
>
> ** **
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RE: Fiber splice question

[Thomas Mullins]

I do not work at that school on a regular basis.  The fiber was broke during a 
massive snowstorm Dec 18th, 2009.  For whatever reason, the school 
administration did not work through my boss to have this fixed.  They hired an 
outside contractor.  Last week my boss asked me have a look at the fiber run.  
That is how this landed on my desk.

If it were up to me, I would shoot wireless across the parking lot and be done 
with it.

Shane


From: Joseph Heaton [jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Fiber splice question

Umm... how are you just now finding out about this, if it was done so long ago? 
 Did they just now notice that whatever was going across that line isn't 
working anymore?

>>> Thomas Mullins  10/5/2011 11:14 AM >>>
Thanks Jonathan,

This splice was made some time ago, months ago and maybe even a year.  The 
local school is probably just out the money.

Shane


From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question


+1 Cisco makes them, but I've never seen one from anywhere else. They are 
intended to go from a terminated fiber end to a transceiver of the alternate 
type. My understanding is that the fiber has to be offset very specifically for 
it to worknot something I would consider very practical in the fieldit 
may not even be possible outside of a lab/manufacturing environment.not 
sure.

I've successfully installed both multimode and singlemode fiber.

It sounds like whoever did that work didn't have a clue what they were doing 
and a refund or rework should be demanded. I'd even use the responses from this 
list as ammunition.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

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On Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM, "Ben Scott" 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins 
> mailto:tsmull...@wise.k12.va.us>> wrote:
>> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside
>> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
>> single mode fiber.
>
> As others have said, (1) that won't work, and (2) never use that
> company for fiber work again.
>
> It is possible to go from one type to the other, *if* you use
> something called a "mode conditioning cable", but I don't recall if
> you can go back again, and mode conditioning cables aren't used in
> splices.
>
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RE: Fiber splice question

[Joseph Heaton]

Umm... how are you just now finding out about this, if it was done so long ago? 
 Did they just now notice that whatever was going across that line isn't 
working anymore?

>>> Thomas Mullins  10/5/2011 11:14 AM >>>

Thanks Jonathan,
 
This splice was made some time ago, months ago and maybe even a year.  The 
local school is probably just out the money.
 
Shane
 
 
From:Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question

 
+1 Cisco makes them, but I've never seen one from anywhere else. They are 
intended to go from a terminated fiber end to a transceiver of the alternate 
type. My understanding is that the fiber has to be offset very specifically for 
it to worknot something I would consider very practical in the fieldit 
may not even be possible outside of a lab/manufacturing environment.not 
sure.
I've successfully installed both multimode and singlemode fiber.
It sounds like whoever did that work didn't have a clue what they were doing 
and a refund or rework should be demanded. I'd even use the responses from this 
list as ammunition.
Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the Verizon 
network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
On Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins  
> wrote:
>> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside
>> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
>> single mode fiber.
> 
> As others have said, (1) that won't work, and (2) never use that
> company for fiber work again.
> 
> It is possible to go from one type to the other, *if* you use
> something called a "mode conditioning cable", but I don't recall if
> you can go back again, and mode conditioning cables aren't used in
> splices.
> 
> -- Ben
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RE: Fiber splice question

[Thomas Mullins]

Thanks Jonathan,

This splice was made some time ago, months ago and maybe even a year.  The 
local school is probably just out the money.

Shane


From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question


+1 Cisco makes them, but I've never seen one from anywhere else. They are 
intended to go from a terminated fiber end to a transceiver of the alternate 
type. My understanding is that the fiber has to be offset very specifically for 
it to worknot something I would consider very practical in the fieldit 
may not even be possible outside of a lab/manufacturing environment.not 
sure.

I've successfully installed both multimode and singlemode fiber.

It sounds like whoever did that work didn't have a clue what they were doing 
and a refund or rework should be demanded. I'd even use the responses from this 
list as ammunition.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the Verizon 
network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM, "Ben Scott" 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins 
> mailto:tsmull...@wise.k12.va.us>> wrote:
>> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside
>> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
>> single mode fiber.
>
> As others have said, (1) that won't work, and (2) never use that
> company for fiber work again.
>
> It is possible to go from one type to the other, *if* you use
> something called a "mode conditioning cable", but I don't recall if
> you can go back again, and mode conditioning cables aren't used in
> splices.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Fiber splice question

[Jonathan]

+1 Cisco makes them, but I've never seen one from anywhere else. They are
intended to go from a terminated fiber end to a transceiver of the alternate
type. My understanding is that the fiber has to be offset very specifically
for it to worknot something I would consider very practical in the
fieldit may not even be possible outside of a lab/manufacturing
environment.not sure.

I've successfully installed both multimode and singlemode fiber.

It sounds like whoever did that work didn't have a clue what they were doing
and a refund or rework should be demanded. I'd even use the responses from
this list as ammunition.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins 
wrote:
>> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an
outside
>> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
>> single mode fiber.
>
> As others have said, (1) that won't work, and (2) never use that
> company for fiber work again.
>
> It is possible to go from one type to the other, *if* you use
> something called a "mode conditioning cable", but I don't recall if
> you can go back again, and mode conditioning cables aren't used in
> splices.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Fiber splice question

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Mullins  wrote:
> The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside
> company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with
> single mode fiber.

  As others have said, (1) that won't work, and (2) never use that
company for fiber work again.

  It is possible to go from one type to the other, *if* you use
something called a "mode conditioning cable", but I don't recall if
you can go back again, and mode conditioning cables aren't used in
splices.

-- Ben

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RE: Fiber splice question

[Thomas Mullins]

Thanks Bill,

I thought so, but I do not work with fiber very often.

Shane

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Fiber splice question

Agreed.  You can't switch fiber types in the middle of the chain.  I can't even 
imagine any company that does fiber doing something like that.

From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question

Ya, I don't think that's going to work.  Not even sure how they were able to do 
that.  Did they test the fiber before you (someone) signed off on the job?  I'm 
thinking you're going to have to either break it again and splice with the same 
type of fiber, or run a whole new run.  Personally, I'd lean towards the new 
run.

>>> Thomas Mullins mailto:tsmull...@wise.k12.va.us>> 
>>> 10/3/2011 6:23 AM >>>
I hope this is not off topic too much.  But, here goes:

We had a piece of multimode fiber that was damaged at a local high school.  
This piece of fiber ran no more than 300 yards from the main building to a 
field house.

The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside 
company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with single 
mode fiber.  Multimode fiber has a diameter of about 62.5 microns, single mode 
fiber has a diameter of 8 to 10 microns.  I have no idea if this is legal.

This piece of fiber will not light up for me.  The school purchased FX 
transceivers.  To my knowledge, FX transceivers will work with both single and 
multi mode fiber.

Thanks
Shane


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RE: Fiber splice question

[Thomas Mullins]

Thanks Joseph,

I doubt they tested it.  I am checking with the principal to see who made the 
splice.  Wireless should do  a great job here.  The field house is across a 
parking lot, almost perfect line of sight.

Shane


From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question

Ya, I don't think that's going to work.  Not even sure how they were able to do 
that.  Did they test the fiber before you (someone) signed off on the job?  I'm 
thinking you're going to have to either break it again and splice with the same 
type of fiber, or run a whole new run.  Personally, I'd lean towards the new 
run.

>>> Thomas Mullins  10/3/2011 6:23 AM >>>
I hope this is not off topic too much.  But, here goes:

We had a piece of multimode fiber that was damaged at a local high school.  
This piece of fiber ran no more than 300 yards from the main building to a 
field house.

The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside 
company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with single 
mode fiber.  Multimode fiber has a diameter of about 62.5 microns, single mode 
fiber has a diameter of 8 to 10 microns.  I have no idea if this is legal.

This piece of fiber will not light up for me.  The school purchased FX 
transceivers.  To my knowledge, FX transceivers will work with both single and 
multi mode fiber.

Thanks
Shane


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RE: Fiber splice question

[Mayo, Bill]

Agreed.  You can't switch fiber types in the middle of the chain.  I
can't even imagine any company that does fiber doing something like
that.

 

From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Fiber splice question

 

Ya, I don't think that's going to work.  Not even sure how they were
able to do that.  Did they test the fiber before you (someone) signed
off on the job?  I'm thinking you're going to have to either break it
again and splice with the same type of fiber, or run a whole new run.
Personally, I'd lean towards the new run.

>>> Thomas Mullins  10/3/2011 6:23 AM >>>

I hope this is not off topic too much.  But, here goes:

 

We had a piece of multimode fiber that was damaged at a local high
school.  This piece of fiber ran no more than 300 yards from the main
building to a field house.  

 

The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an
outside company splice the damaged section.  This company made the
splice with single mode fiber.  Multimode fiber has a diameter of about
62.5 microns, single mode fiber has a diameter of 8 to 10 microns.  I
have no idea if this is legal.

 

This piece of fiber will not light up for me.  The school purchased FX
transceivers.  To my knowledge, FX transceivers will work with both
single and multi mode fiber.

 

Thanks 

Shane

 

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Re: Fiber splice question

[Joseph Heaton]

Ya, I don't think that's going to work.  Not even sure how they were able to do 
that.  Did they test the fiber before you (someone) signed off on the job?  I'm 
thinking you're going to have to either break it again and splice with the same 
type of fiber, or run a whole new run.  Personally, I'd lean towards the new 
run.

>>> Thomas Mullins  10/3/2011 6:23 AM >>>

I hope this is not off topic too much.  But, here goes:
 
We had a piece of multimode fiber that was damaged at a local high school.  
This piece of fiber ran no more than 300 yards from the main building to a 
field house.  
 
The original piece of fiber was multimode.  The local school had an outside 
company splice the damaged section.  This company made the splice with single 
mode fiber.  Multimode fiber has a diameter of about 62.5 microns, single mode 
fiber has a diameter of 8 to 10 microns.  I have no idea if this is legal.
 
This piece of fiber will not light up for me.  The school purchased FX 
transceivers.  To my knowledge, FX transceivers will work with both single and 
multi mode fiber.
 
Thanks 
Shane
 

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