Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread Kurt Buff
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 06:02, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>> Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
>> a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?
>
>  While backup-to-disk is certainly a viable and popular solution
> these days, tape isn't quite dead yet.
>
>  But Microsoft no longer supports tape in the tools which come with
> the OS.  Perhaps not coincidentally, around the same time as support
> for tape backup was dropped from Windows, Microsoft introduced their
> Data Protection Manager product, which *does* support tape.
>
>  As always, what *you* should do depends on your requirements.  You
> can certainly keep your tape library alive if that's what makes sense
> for you.  There's cost-effective backup software out there.
>
> -- Ben

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes
hurtling down the highway." —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). Computer
Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. pp. 83. ISBN 0-13-349945-6.

And that was considered an old saw by then...

Kurt

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
> Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
> a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?

  While backup-to-disk is certainly a viable and popular solution
these days, tape isn't quite dead yet.

  But Microsoft no longer supports tape in the tools which come with
the OS.  Perhaps not coincidentally, around the same time as support
for tape backup was dropped from Windows, Microsoft introduced their
Data Protection Manager product, which *does* support tape.

  As always, what *you* should do depends on your requirements.  You
can certainly keep your tape library alive if that's what makes sense
for you.  There's cost-effective backup software out there.

-- Ben

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Wittersheim
That would depend on how much data you are backing up.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Terry Dickson
wrote:

> If I remember correctly you might not have to buy 3rd party if you have
> LTO-5 or above.   There was supposed to be a filesystem built into LTO-5
> where you would not need a 3rd party solution to utilize it.   However not
> too many people have LTO-5 yet.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
>
> You will need to buy a 3rd party backup app to use tape for 2008
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>
>
>Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to
> buy
>a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:13 PM
>    Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
>    Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
>Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond <
> br...@briandesmond.com>
>wrote:
>> NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server
> Backup...
>It is
>> substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.
>
> But still does not support tape drives.
>
>-- Ben
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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread Terry Dickson
If I remember correctly you might not have to buy 3rd party if you have LTO-5 
or above.   There was supposed to be a filesystem built into LTO-5 where you 
would not need a 3rd party solution to utilize it.   However not too many 
people have LTO-5 yet.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

You will need to buy a 3rd party backup app to use tape for 2008


On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:


Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:13 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server


On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond 
wrote:
> NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup...
It is
> substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.

 But still does not support tape drives.

-- Ben

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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread itli...@imcu.com
Could I just use USB??  Or is that too slow?

 

From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com] 
Posted At: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:36 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

 

You will need to buy a 3rd party backup app to use tape for 2008

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:13 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond 
wrote:
> NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup...
It is
> substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.

 But still does not support tape drives.

-- Ben

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Wittersheim
You will need to buy a 3rd party backup app to use tape for 2008

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:

> Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
> a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:13 PM
> Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
> Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
> Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
>
>  On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
> > NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup...
> It is
> > substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.
>
>  But still does not support tape drives.
>
> -- Ben
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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-02-01 Thread itli...@imcu.com
Is it just industry standard to move away from tape or do I need to buy
a 3rd party to keep my tape library alive?

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:13 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond 
wrote:
> NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup...
It is
> substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.

  But still does not support tape drives.

-- Ben

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup… It is
> substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.

  But still does not support tape drives.

-- Ben

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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread Brian Desmond
NTBackup has been renamed and reimagined as Windows Server Backup... It is 
substantially better in 2008 R2 compared to 2008.


Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>

c   - 312.731.3132

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

Nothing yet.  Just installed it for the first time and was playing around with 
backups and couldn't find NTBackup.  Started some reading and got really sick 
to my stomach.  Thought I would get some medicine from the list before I 
continued making myself sick.



From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com]
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:58 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

Data Proctor Express.  I'm pretty sure it will work with Backup Exec as well.  
What have you tried?
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:54 PM, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
What backup software are you using?



From: Eric Wittersheim 
[mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com>]
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:40 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com>
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

I have a w2k8 server with a LTO3 drive on it.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
Hadn't read much on this but they really don't have support for my LTO tape 
drive?


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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread itli...@imcu.com
Nothing yet.  Just installed it for the first time and was playing
around with backups and couldn't find NTBackup.  Started some reading
and got really sick to my stomach.  Thought I would get some medicine
from the list before I continued making myself sick.

 

 



From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com] 
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:58 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
  

Data Proctor Express.  I'm pretty sure it will work with Backup Exec as
well.  What have you tried?

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:54 PM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

What backup software are you using?

 

 



From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com] 
Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:40 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
  

I have a w2k8 server with a LTO3 drive on it.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

Hadn't read much on this but they really don't have support for my LTO
tape drive?

 

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread Eric Wittersheim
Data Proctor Express.  I'm pretty sure it will work with Backup Exec as
well.  What have you tried?

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:54 PM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:

>  What backup software are you using?
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Eric Wittersheim [mailto:eric.wittersh...@gmail.com]
> *Posted At:* Monday, January 31, 2011 2:40 PM
> *Posted To:* itli...@imcu.com
> *Conversation:* First Windows Server 2008 member server
> *Subject:* Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
>
>
> I have a w2k8 server with a LTO3 drive on it.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, itli...@imcu.com 
> wrote:
>
> Hadn’t read much on this but they really don’t have support for my LTO tape
> drive?
>
>
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RE: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread itli...@imcu.com
What backup software are you using?

 

 



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Posted At: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:40 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: First Windows Server 2008 member server
Subject: Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server
  

I have a w2k8 server with a LTO3 drive on it.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

Hadn't read much on this but they really don't have support for my LTO
tape drive?

 

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Re: First Windows Server 2008 member server

2011-01-31 Thread Eric Wittersheim
I have a w2k8 server with a LTO3 drive on it.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:

>  Hadn’t read much on this but they really don’t have support for my LTO
> tape drive?
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