Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Michael . Leone 
Vicky Spelshaus  wrote on 08/12/2009 10:37:01 
AM:

> Not when you are talking state budget constraints... I've got +5 yr 
> old computers still in use.  Network equipment has to last even longer   



I've got a bunch of 4 or 5 year old PCs out there, running Win2000. And we 
used to have a 7 year old server (dual P3 700 Mhz. Oooo! :-)) that I just 
converted to a VM in my ESX cluster. That was the anomaly, tho.


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Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sherry Abercrombie  wrote:
> Oh, I understand that and have the same type of situation.  Electronics
> are made to fail, whether they be a DVD Player or network switches, and
> though a company may tout a "lifetime" warranty, that warranty, when you
> read the fine print, is X number of years.  That is the manufacturers
> definition of what the lifetime of that equipment is.

  Traditionally, the ProCurve warranty *hasn't* been limited by time.
  You could call up with a dead 10 megabit repeater from 1993, and
they'd ship you a newer product because they didn't have parts that
old any more.

  The ProCurve warranty statement used to be one sentence, something
along the lines of "HP will repair or replace any product that fails
due to defect in materials or workmanship."  *That's it*.  Thanks to
lawers, it's grown various disclaimers over the years, but the core
remained.

  This "end-of-service date" is a new thing to me.  There's no mention
of it, or anything about "service obligations", in the current
ProCurve warranty statement:

http://www.procurve.com/docs/customercare/warranty/warranty-booklet.pdf

  I'm not sure where it fits in to all this.  Alas, it wouldn't
surprise me to find that the corporate decay which has ruined HP's
printer division has spread to the ProCurve division.  "The HP Way"
died when Agilent was spun off.  :-(

-- Ben

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RE: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Well, I wouldn't say "made to fail".
Electronics themselves are pretty darn reliable as long as the power is
good and heat is allowed to be carried away.  
On VCRs, CD and DVD players, and even computers, I find it's the
mechanical stuff that typically fails.  
Electronic devices typically are "end of life" because something newer,
faster, "better" has come on the market.



From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Procurve EOL curiosity


Oh, I understand that and have the same type of situation.  Electronics
are made to fail, whether they be a DVD Player or network switches, and
though a company may tout a "lifetime" warranty, that warranty, when you
read the fine print, is X number of years.  That is the manufacturers
definition of what the lifetime of that equipment is.  

I've got network switches that are 10+ years old, if/when they fail,
they will not be replaced under any kind of warranty from the mfg., it
will be a new purchase.  We have the standard warranty on equipment,
then when that runs out, we will pay for an extended warranty/service
contract with the mfg or a 3rd party, when that is no longer an option,
we know that when the equipment fails, it will have to be replaced out
of pocket.  If budget allows, we will replace before it fails,
currently, it's a replace when it's necessary.  




On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Vicky Spelshaus <
vicky.spelsh...@gmail.com> wrote:


Not when you are talking state budget constraints... I've got +5
yr old computers still in use.  Network equipment has to last even
longer   
 


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Sherry Abercrombie <
saber...@gmail.com> wrote:


With electronics, 5 years IS a lifetime.  


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo <
p...@psnet.com> wrote:


I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from
HP, announcing end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the
sidebar, it lists a few dates...


"Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first
day which product End Of Sale is announced.


"Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while
supplies last - The last day on which order can be placed.


"Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or
while supplies last - The last day on which the product will be shipped.


"End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while
supplies last - The last day the product will be available.


"End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5
years after the respective End of Sale Date - The day all Service
Obligations will end.

 
 

I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly
bulletproof, I love their switches, but that very last one makes me
scratch my head with regards to their widely touted lifetime warranty.


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107





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Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Sherry Abercrombie 
Oh, I understand that and have the same type of situation.  Electronics are
made to fail, whether they be a DVD Player or network switches, and though a
company may tout a "lifetime" warranty, that warranty, when you read the
fine print, is X number of years.  That is the manufacturers definition of
what the lifetime of that equipment is.

I've got network switches that are 10+ years old, if/when they fail, they
will not be replaced under any kind of warranty from the mfg., it will be a
new purchase.  We have the standard warranty on equipment, then when that
runs out, we will pay for an extended warranty/service contract with the mfg
or a 3rd party, when that is no longer an option, we know that when the
equipment fails, it will have to be replaced out of pocket.  If budget
allows, we will replace before it fails, currently, it's a replace when it's
necessary.



On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Vicky Spelshaus
wrote:

> Not when you are talking state budget constraints... I've got +5 yr old
> computers still in use.  Network equipment has to last even longer
> [?]
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:
>
>> With electronics, 5 years IS a lifetime.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing
>>> end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few
>>> dates...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
>>> Sale is announced.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>>> day on which order can be placed.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The
>>> last day on which the product will be shipped.
>>>
>>>
>>> "End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>>> day the product will be available.
>>>
>>>
>>> "End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective
>>> End of Sale Date - The day *all* Service Obligations will end.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
>>> switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
>>> their widely touted lifetime warranty.
>>>
>>>
>>> Phillip Partipilo
>>> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>>> Jupiter, Florida
>>> (561) 747-6107
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND
>>> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR USE BY
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>>> IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL
>>> ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sherry Abercrombie
>>
>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>> Sent from Azle, TX, United States
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't
> handle stress and caffeine. - unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Azle, TX, United States

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Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Vicky Spelshaus 
Not when you are talking state budget constraints... I've got +5 yr old
computers still in use.  Network equipment has to last even longer   [?]



On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> With electronics, 5 years IS a lifetime.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
>
>>  I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing
>> end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few
>> dates...
>>
>>
>> "Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
>> Sale is announced.
>>
>>
>> "Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>> day on which order can be placed.
>>
>>
>> "Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The
>> last day on which the product will be shipped.
>>
>>
>> "End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>> day the product will be available.
>>
>>
>> "End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective
>> End of Sale Date - The day *all* Service Obligations will end.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
>> switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
>> their widely touted lifetime warranty.
>>
>>
>> Phillip Partipilo
>> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>> Jupiter, Florida
>> (561) 747-6107
>>
>>
>>
>> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND
>> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR USE BY
>> THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, ACCESSING, OR
>> DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE
>> IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL
>> ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Azle, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
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Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Vicky Spelshaus 
Not when you are talking state budget constraints... I've got +5 yr old
computers still in use.  Network equipment has to last even longer
[?]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> With electronics, 5 years IS a lifetime.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
>
>>  I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing
>> end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few
>> dates...
>>
>>
>> "Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
>> Sale is announced.
>>
>>
>> "Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>> day on which order can be placed.
>>
>>
>> "Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The
>> last day on which the product will be shipped.
>>
>>
>> "End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
>> day the product will be available.
>>
>>
>> "End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective
>> End of Sale Date - The day *all* Service Obligations will end.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
>> switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
>> their widely touted lifetime warranty.
>>
>>
>> Phillip Partipilo
>> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>> Jupiter, Florida
>> (561) 747-6107
>>
>>
>>
>> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND
>> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR USE BY
>> THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, ACCESSING, OR
>> DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE
>> IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL
>> ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Azle, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't
handle stress and caffeine. - unknown

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<<323.gif>>

Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Sherry Abercrombie 
With electronics, 5 years IS a lifetime.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:

>  I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing
> end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few
> dates...
>
>
> "Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
> Sale is announced.
>
>
> "Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
> day on which order can be placed.
>
>
> "Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The
> last day on which the product will be shipped.
>
>
> "End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
> day the product will be available.
>
>
> "End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective
> End of Sale Date - The day *all* Service Obligations will end.
>
>
>
> I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
> switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
> their widely touted lifetime warranty.
>
>
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
>
>
>
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND
> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR USE BY
> THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, ACCESSING, OR
> DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE
> IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL
> ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Azle, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Vicky Spelshaus 
I share your concern as I am using nothing but 2800 series (except the core
switch) on my campus.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:

>  I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing
> end-of-sale for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few
> dates...
>
>
> "Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
> Sale is announced.
>
>
> "Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
> day on which order can be placed.
>
>
> "Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The
> last day on which the product will be shipped.
>
>
> "End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
> day the product will be available.
>
>
> "End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective
> End of Sale Date - The day *all* Service Obligations will end.
>
>
>
> I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
> switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
> their widely touted lifetime warranty.
>
>
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
>
>
>
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND
> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR USE BY
> THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, ACCESSING, OR
> DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE
> IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL
> ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't
handle stress and caffeine. - unknown

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Procurve EOL curiosity

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Partipilo 
I got a cute email in my inbox this morning from HP, announcing end-of-sale
for the 2800 series switches.  On the sidebar, it lists a few dates...


"Announcement Date": August 1, 2009 - The first day which product End Of
Sale is announced.


"Final Order Date": November 15, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
day on which order can be placed.


"Final Shipment Date": November 30, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last
day on which the product will be shipped.


"End of Sale Date": December 1, 2009 - or while supplies last - The last day
the product will be available.


"End of Service Life": November 20, 2014 or 5 years after the respective End
of Sale Date - The day all Service Obligations will end.

 
 

I'm not terribly worried, ProCurves are nearly bulletproof, I love their
switches, but that very last one makes me scratch my head with regards to
their widely touted lifetime warranty.


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107






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IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
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