RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Open Filer supports Persistent Reservations now. That was a requirement for Win2k8 clustering support IIRC... Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 11:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Thanks to all for the information, it confirmed my earlier assessment. Looks like I'll be going with a storage on a stick solution. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Yea, it always is based on the release cycle being much slower. I am not a fan of OF anyways. As for IET being incomplete? It doesn't support persistent reservations and as far as HA on esx I have never done it but it supports multiple ini's pointed to the same target and it does work. Lots of guys do it. I have used it with esx (no vmotion) and windows/linux for a long time and it works _very_ well. I think the majority of issues you see documented are caused by improper setup, nothing is done for the user, so you must setup all required parameters yourself. I had a CentOS box running 0.4.15 for 6 months with two windows ini's pointed at it writing a continuous 50-80 gig a day w/o stopping. YMMV, jlc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.commailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Eh? Openfiler uses IET. The current release of openfiler, is in fact BEHIND on IET patches. I don't know freenas. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com wrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bmmailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bmmailto:ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.commailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
I didn't think so as IET does not support it and OF uses IET: https://forums.openfiler.com/viewtopic.php?id=2102 jlc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Open Filer supports Persistent Reservations now. That was a requirement for Win2k8 clustering support IIRC... Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 11:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Thanks to all for the information, it confirmed my earlier assessment. Looks like I'll be going with a storage on a stick solution. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Yea, it always is based on the release cycle being much slower. I am not a fan of OF anyways. As for IET being incomplete? It doesn't support persistent reservations and as far as HA on esx I have never done it but it supports multiple ini's pointed to the same target and it does work. Lots of guys do it. I have used it with esx (no vmotion) and windows/linux for a long time and it works _very_ well. I think the majority of issues you see documented are caused by improper setup, nothing is done for the user, so you must setup all required parameters yourself. I had a CentOS box running 0.4.15 for 6 months with two windows ini's pointed at it writing a continuous 50-80 gig a day w/o stopping. YMMV, jlc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.commailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Eh? Openfiler uses IET. The current release of openfiler, is in fact BEHIND on IET patches. I don't know freenas. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com wrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bmmailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bmmailto:ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.commailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some
Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Thanks to all for the information, it confirmed my earlier assessment. Looks like I'll be going with a storage on a stick solution. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Yea, it always is based on the release cycle being much slower. I am not a fan of OF anyways. As for IET being incomplete? It doesn't support persistent reservations and as far as HA on esx I have never done it but it supports multiple ini's pointed to the same target and it does work. Lots of guys do it. I have used it with esx (no vmotion) and windows/linux for a long time and it works _* very*_ well. I think the majority of issues you see documented are caused by improper setup, nothing is done for the user, so you must setup all required parameters yourself. I had a CentOS box running 0.4.15 for 6 months with two windows ini's pointed at it writing a continuous 50-80 gig a day w/o stopping. YMMV, jlc *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:06 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Eh? Openfiler uses IET. The current release of openfiler, is in fact BEHIND on IET patches. I don't know freenas. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:40 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.com wrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don’t use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don’t use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Openfiler is a SAN...whether you like it or not...iSCSI target is a PITA From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
you are a pita! :p i guess what matthew says is right. if you need a cheap alternative then there are a few around. It will come down to specific circumstances. Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Openfiler is a SAN...whether you like it or not...iSCSI target is a PITA From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don’t use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Iet/drbd can be your friend. I do like the openfiler interface (gui) and how you can carve out different mount points. From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 17:35 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? you are a pita! :p i guess what matthew says is right. if you need a cheap alternative then there are a few around. It will come down to specific circumstances. Greg _ From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Openfiler is a SAN...whether you like it or not...iSCSI target is a PITA From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W.. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.comwrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Eh? Openfiler uses IET. The current release of openfiler, is in fact BEHIND on IET patches. I don't know freenas. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.com wrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment?
Yea, it always is based on the release cycle being much slower. I am not a fan of OF anyways. As for IET being incomplete? It doesn't support persistent reservations and as far as HA on esx I have never done it but it supports multiple ini's pointed to the same target and it does work. Lots of guys do it. I have used it with esx (no vmotion) and windows/linux for a long time and it works _very_ well. I think the majority of issues you see documented are caused by improper setup, nothing is done for the user, so you must setup all required parameters yourself. I had a CentOS box running 0.4.15 for 6 months with two windows ini's pointed at it writing a continuous 50-80 gig a day w/o stopping. YMMV, jlc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Eh? Openfiler uses IET. The current release of openfiler, is in fact BEHIND on IET patches. I don't know freenas. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? The iscsi target on most distros has documented problems with VMWare, especially with regard to HA functions. IIRC, IET is an incomplete implementation of iSCSI. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg Mulholland g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com wrote: Our storage requirements are pretty clear cut and needy so they were happy to pay to do it properly. you dont need openfiler or freenas. just enable the iscsi target on most linux distros (fedora etc) plenty of google reading on that Greg From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? We use OpenFiler here, with good results. Basically, if boils down to: If you want something you support yourself for cheap (This is our case), use OpenFiler or FreeNAS. If you want something with paid support, especially for the hardware, go with a commercial product. For us, the cost savings of OpenFiler iSCSI outweighed the support provided by the Commercial iSCSI solutions. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:g...@krystaltek.commailto:g...@krystaltek.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:48:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? i use it for our test clusters. but i wouldnt use it in production. Steve and i have had this discussion and he wont convince me. NEVER!!! Greg From: Steve Moffat [st...@optimum.bmmailto:st...@optimum.bm] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin [ntsysad...@optimum.bmmailto:ntsysad...@optimum.bm] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? I'll second Openfiler. Been using it to run a powervault 220s for 2 years now with not one issue. And if you need enterprise support they have that too. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.commailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? My ESX instructor learned us how to use OpenFiler, and he said many companies use it for production. I don't use it here, but I was very impressed with OpenFiler. Maybe at some point... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone else using OpenFiler in a production environment? Planning a move to VMWare ESX, and I'm evaluatiing my SAN choices. I have OpenFiler in a production environment storing some of our data. On of our NAS box's flaked out on me, and I repurposed a server with Openfiler to fill the void and try out iSCSI SAN features. I've been extremely happy with the performance. Using it to run VM's and take advantage of High Availability features is where I am having some pause. Wonder if anyone here has already blazed this trail Thanks, Jonathan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
