RE: CAL question

2008-08-21 Thread Andy Ognenoff
ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with.

 

Clarification on that:

 

Customers with current Software Assurance for CALs acquired after April 1,
2003 may switch their Device CALs to User CALs and User CAL to Device CALs
upon renewal of their Software Assurance coverage for those CALs.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/priclicfaq.msp
x

 

- Andy O.

 

 


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RE: CAL question

2008-08-21 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 21 Aug 2008 at 8:44, Andy Ognenoff  wrote:

 
 ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with.
 
 Clarification on that:
 
 Customers with current Software Assurance for CALs acquired after April 
 1, 2003 may switch their Device CALs to User CALs and User CAL to Device 
 CALs upon renewal of their Software Assurance coverage for those CALs.

IOW, when you pay us more money, you can switch your CAL types.  You can only 
do this every two years, when you pay us.

 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/priclicfaq
 .mspx

I found this of interest (*) on the above page:

Q.  Can I use a Windows Device CAL and a Windows User CAL on the same 
server?
A.  Yes. Windows Device and User CALs can be used on the same server. For 
ease of management and tracking though, Microsoft recommends that 
customers choose to acquire CALs on either a device or user basis.

(*) IOW I learned something new today ;-)

A


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RE: CAL question

2008-08-21 Thread Jim Majorowicz
Device CALs are only appropriate if your users only ever connect with the
covered devices.  If you use OWA or have Moble devices like Blackberries,
you should use User CALs, in general.

 

For what you described, if you want to document your mixed mode, a device
call would work as long as that is the only device that those users use to
connect to your resources.

 

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have
always been appropriate.

 

This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially
using it.  

 

Thanks for everyone's' input.

 

Bob 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy.

Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS  (I have found this to be the
most common scenario)

Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS

This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS,
Office 2003 CALS.

 

-Dave

 

 

  _  

From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do.and that's way the
licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/caloverview.ms
px

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the
flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

.

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an
organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers.

.

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with
many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices
(for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who
access the network via multiple devices.

 

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the
point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows XP
/ Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and
they can access through that single PC, at different times of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread NTSysAdmin
No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP  cal and an Exchange 
cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can license the device.
S

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: CAL question


Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows XP / 
Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they 
can access through that single PC, at different times of course.

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

Bob Fronk
[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]












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RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread David Mazzaccaro
I only buy device CALs, so that is my understanding as well.
But a quick call to MS would verify.
 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: CAL question



 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


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RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread Bob Fronk
Backup up your statement with links please.  

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

859.321.4442

 

From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP  cal and an
Exchange cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can
license the device.

S

 

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Ognenoff
Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do.and that's way the
licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/caloverview.ms
px

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the
flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

.

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an
organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers.

.

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with
many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices
(for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who
access the network via multiple devices.

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the
point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows XP
/ Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and
they can access through that single PC, at different times of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread David Mazzaccaro
Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy.
Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS  (I have found this to be
the most common scenario)
Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS
This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS,
Office 2003 CALS.
 
-Dave
 



From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question



Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way
the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a
month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie
w.mspx

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you
the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

*

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense
for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift
workers.

*

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization
with many employees who need access to the corporate network from
unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization
with employees who access the network via multiple devices.

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's
the point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread Bob Fronk
99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs
have always been appropriate.

 

This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially
using it.  

 

Thanks for everyone's' input.

 

Bob 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy.

Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS  (I have found this to be
the most common scenario)

Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS

This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS,
Office 2003 CALS.

 

-Dave

 

 



From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way
the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a
month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie
w.mspx

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you
the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

*

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense
for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift
workers.

*

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization
with many employees who need access to the corporate network from
unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization
with employees who access the network via multiple devices.

 

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's
the point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread David Mazzaccaro
It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC.
Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the
domain
Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the
Exchange server
Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office
 
 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question



99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs
have always been appropriate.

 

This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially
using it.  

 

Thanks for everyone's' input.

 

Bob 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy.

Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS  (I have found this to be
the most common scenario)

Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS

This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS,
Office 2003 CALS.

 

-Dave

 

 



From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way
the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a
month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie
w.mspx

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you
the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

*

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense
for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift
workers.

*

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization
with many employees who need access to the corporate network from
unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization
with employees who access the network via multiple devices.

 

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's
the point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread Bob Fronk
We have Core Cal + Office, so we are good.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC.

Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the
domain

Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the
Exchange server

Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office

 

 

 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs
have always been appropriate.

 

This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially
using it.  

 

Thanks for everyone's' input.

 

Bob 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

 

Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy.

Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS  (I have found this to be
the most common scenario)

Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS

This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS,
Office 2003 CALS.

 

-Dave

 

 



From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: CAL question

Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way
the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a
month ago.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie
w.mspx

 

From the link:

 

The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you
the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your
organization. For example:

*

Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense
for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift
workers.

*

Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization
with many employees who need access to the corporate network from
unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization
with employees who access the network via multiple devices.

 

 

I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user
accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's
the point of a device CAL.

 

 - Andy O. 



From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: CAL question

 

 

Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct.  

 

MS Licensing CAL per device.  One device in a remote location.  (Windows
XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003)  I create 4 user accounts and
mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times
of course.

 

I don't need user CALs for this, correct?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: CAL question

2008-08-20 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 20 Aug 2008 at 10:00, David Mazzaccaro  wrote:

 WhicheverI have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users,
 buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer
 users thancomputers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server
 CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. 

ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~