RE: CAL question
ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with. Clarification on that: Customers with current Software Assurance for CALs acquired after April 1, 2003 may switch their Device CALs to User CALs and User CAL to Device CALs upon renewal of their Software Assurance coverage for those CALs. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/priclicfaq.msp x - Andy O. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
On 21 Aug 2008 at 8:44, Andy Ognenoff wrote: ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with. Clarification on that: Customers with current Software Assurance for CALs acquired after April 1, 2003 may switch their Device CALs to User CALs and User CAL to Device CALs upon renewal of their Software Assurance coverage for those CALs. IOW, when you pay us more money, you can switch your CAL types. You can only do this every two years, when you pay us. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/priclicfaq .mspx I found this of interest (*) on the above page: Q. Can I use a Windows Device CAL and a Windows User CAL on the same server? A. Yes. Windows Device and User CALs can be used on the same server. For ease of management and tracking though, Microsoft recommends that customers choose to acquire CALs on either a device or user basis. (*) IOW I learned something new today ;-) A -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Device CALs are only appropriate if your users only ever connect with the covered devices. If you use OWA or have Moble devices like Blackberries, you should use User CALs, in general. For what you described, if you want to document your mixed mode, a device call would work as long as that is the only device that those users use to connect to your resources. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question 99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave _ From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do.and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/caloverview.ms px From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: . Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. . Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP cal and an Exchange cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can license the device. S From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
I only buy device CALs, so that is my understanding as well. But a quick call to MS would verify. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Backup up your statement with links please. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 859.321.4442 From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question No, you are creating users, therefore each one needs an XP cal and an Exchange cal. If they all log on with a generic account, then you can license the device. S From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do.and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/caloverview.ms px From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: . Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. . Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC. Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the domain Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the Exchange server Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question 99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
We have Core Cal + Office, so we are good. Thanks. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question It sounds like you only need device CAL(s) for this remote PC. Windows 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the domain Exchange 2003 Server Device CAL - if the users are connecting to the Exchange server Office 2003 Device CAL - if the users will be running Office From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question 99% of the time, our users have their own computer, so device CALs have always been appropriate. This time, there will be one remote PC, with multiple users potentially using it. Thanks for everyone's' input. Bob From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Whichever I have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users than computers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. -Dave From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: CAL question Based on the FAQ, I would interpret it the way you do...and that's way the licensing specialist did too when I talked to 2 different ones a month ago. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/calovervie w.mspx From the link: The option to choose between the two types of Windows CALs offers you the flexibility to use the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization. For example: * Windows Device CALs might make most economic and administrative sense for an organization with multiple users for one device, such as shift workers. * Whereas, Windows User CALs might make most sense for an organization with many employees who need access to the corporate network from unknown devices (for example, when traveling) and/or an organization with employees who access the network via multiple devices. I have never heard that statement interpreted as that if you create user accounts for individuals on a single device you need user CALs. That's the point of a device CAL. - Andy O. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL question Ok.. Just to make sure I am correct. MS Licensing CAL per device. One device in a remote location. (Windows XP / Office 2007 / Exchange 2003) I create 4 user accounts and mailboxes and they can access through that single PC, at different times of course. I don't need user CALs for this, correct? Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL question
On 20 Aug 2008 at 10:00, David Mazzaccaro wrote: WhicheverI have fewer of... that is what I buy. Fewer computers than users, buy DEVICE CALS (I have found this to be the most common scenario) Fewer users thancomputers, buy USER CALS This holds true for Windows 2003 Server CALS, Exchange 2003 Server CALS, Office 2003 CALS. ISTR you are locked into whichever one you start with. -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
