Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Jonathan Link 
Can we just drop the geopolitical talk in this forum?  If you want to have
that kind of discussion, you know where to take it.

Yes, you made your opinion known.  Good for you.  It has no bearing as to
how it relates to cybersecurity.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Uh - that's exactly what happened. The plant was physically sabotaged
> by agents of the US government.
>
> Should that not be considered a war-like, or at least criminal, act?
>
> What do you think the response would be if the reverse happened, and
> some major piece of US infrastructure were damaged by agents of Iran?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> > So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that
> also be an act of war?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: From SANS email...
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
> wrote:
> >>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> >> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> >> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> >> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> >> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> >> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> >> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> >> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> >> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> >> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
> >> value in the security community understanding that the game has
> >> changed, and what it means.
> >>
> >> Well DUH!!!
> >
> > Indeed, not surprising.
> >
> > It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
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RE: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Richard McClary 
Better yet - what makes you think they (or others) are not trying?

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

Uh - that's exactly what happened. The plant was physically sabotaged
by agents of the US government.

Should that not be considered a war-like, or at least criminal, act?

What do you think the response would be if the reverse happened, and
some major piece of US infrastructure were damaged by agents of Iran?

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
> an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>> value in the security community understanding that the game has
>> changed, and what it means.
>>
>> Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
> acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread John Cook 
Or China.
John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 04:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

Uh - that's exactly what happened. The plant was physically sabotaged
by agents of the US government.

Should that not be considered a war-like, or at least criminal, act?

What do you think the response would be if the reverse happened, and
some major piece of US infrastructure were damaged by agents of Iran?

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
> an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>> value in the security community understanding that the game has
>> changed, and what it means.
>>
>> Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
> acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Kurt Buff 
It's Friday - time to let off a little steam...

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Lora Cates  wrote:
>
> Off-track?  :)  That never happens.
>
> -lc
>
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:40 PM
>
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...
>
> ASB
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
>
> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also
> be an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
> wrote:
> >  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> > (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> > against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> > attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> > the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> > far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> > in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> > Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> > available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> > on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
> > value in the security community understanding that the game has
> > changed, and what it means.
> >
> > Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Kurt Buff 
Uh - that's exactly what happened. The plant was physically sabotaged
by agents of the US government.

Should that not be considered a war-like, or at least criminal, act?

What do you think the response would be if the reverse happened, and
some major piece of US infrastructure were damaged by agents of Iran?

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
> an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>> value in the security community understanding that the game has
>> changed, and what it means.
>>
>> Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
> acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Richard McClary 
Well, I think it was Tuesday, this generated traffic under the subject "Flame 
bait".  In a manner of speaking, one could say that we have wandered back 
ON-track.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...
ASB

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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul 
mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com>> wrote:
So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
an act of war?

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
> value in the security community understanding that the game has
> changed, and what it means.
>
> Well DUH!!!

Indeed, not surprising.

It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
acts of war absent a proper declaration.

Kurt

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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Lora Cates 
Off-track?  :)  That never happens.

 
-lc


>
> From: Andrew S. Baker 
>To: NT System Admin Issues  
>Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:40 PM
>Subject: Re: From SANS email...
> 
>
>I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...
>
>
>ASB 
>http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker 
>Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> 
>
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
>
>So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
>an act of war?
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>
>>Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
>>To: NT System Admin Issues
>>Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>>>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>>> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>>> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>>> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>>> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>>> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>>> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>>> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>>> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>>> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>>> value in the security community understanding that the game has
>>> changed, and what it means.
>>>
>>> Well DUH!!!
>>
>>Indeed, not surprising.
>>
>>It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
>>acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>>
>>Kurt
>>
>>
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Jonathan Link 
On the verge?  That barn door was opened by someone else who decided he'd
make a political statement.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...
>
> * *
>
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> Technology for the SMB market…
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> *
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
>
>> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that
>> also be an act of war?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
>> wrote:
>> >  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> > (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> > against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> > attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> > the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> > far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> > in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> > Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> > available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> > on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
>> > value in the security community understanding that the game has
>> > changed, and what it means.
>> >
>> > Well DUH!!!
>>
>> Indeed, not surprising.
>>
>> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
>> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
I see that we're on the verge of getting fair off-track on this thread...

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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:

> So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also
> be an act of war?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: From SANS email...
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
> wrote:
> >  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> > (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> > against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> > attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> > the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> > far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> > in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> > Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> > available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> > on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great
> > value in the security community understanding that the game has
> > changed, and what it means.
> >
> > Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
>

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RE: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Chinnery, Paul 
So if an agent for the US, physically sabotaged the plant, would that also be 
an act of war?

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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: From SANS email...

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama 
> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks 
> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered 
> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because 
> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and 
> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and 
> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are 
> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing 
> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great 
> value in the security community understanding that the game has 
> changed, and what it means.
>
> Well DUH!!!

Indeed, not surprising.

It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
acts of war absent a proper declaration.

Kurt

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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Jonathan Link 
Beware the EULA!

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Your views are odd. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
>
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>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
>> wrote:
>> >  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
>> > (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
>> > against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
>> > attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
>> > the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
>> > far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
>> > in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
>> > Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
>> > available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
>> > on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great value
>> > in the security community understanding that the game has changed, and
>> > what it means.
>> >
>> > Well DUH!!!
>>
>> Indeed, not surprising.
>>
>> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
>> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
Your views are odd. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
> wrote:
> >  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> > (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> > against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> > attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> > the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> > far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> > in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> > Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> > available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> > on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great value
> > in the security community understanding that the game has changed, and
> > what it means.
> >
> > Well DUH!!!
>
> Indeed, not surprising.
>
> It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
> committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.
>
> Kurt
>
>

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RE: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread David Lum 
Different than other presidents...how? I suspect every major power is doing 
things along these same lines and have been for decades, you don't think there 
was any sabotage going on during the cold war, for example? Computer software 
is simply a different medium for carrying these actions out and, like 
biological weapons, can go places and do things the originators never imagined. 
Armed warfare is far more predictable than this stuff.

Stuxnet was a different form of smart bomb and it created a different version 
of collateral damage.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama 
> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks 
> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered 
> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because 
> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and 
> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and 
> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are 
> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing 
> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great 
> value in the security community understanding that the game has 
> changed, and what it means.
>
> Well DUH!!!

Indeed, not surprising.

It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for committing 
acts of war absent a proper declaration.

Kurt

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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Rankin, James R 
OK, if they're getting away with it...I will 'fess up to writing Blaster back 
in 2003 (now waiting for door to get busted in by CIA ninjas)

(This is a joke, BTW) #paranoia
---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: "Crawford, Scott" 
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:01:28 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: From SANS email...

Cool.  US admits to writing Stuxnet

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: From SANS email...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/confirmed-us-israel-created-stuxnet-lost-control-of-it/
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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Maglinger, Paul 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
 FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
(and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great value
in the security community understanding that the game has changed, and
what it means.

Well DUH!!!

-Paul

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Re: From SANS email...

2012-06-01 Thread Kurt Buff 
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
>  FLASH: The New York Times reported this morning that President Obama
> (and his predecessor) ordered a sophisticated campaign of cyberattacks
> against Iran's nuclear program, and has either attacked or considered
> attacking networks in China, Syria, and North Korea as well.  Because
> the publication of this story is likely to herald substantive and
> far-ranging changes in the way cybersecurity is managed in the US and
> in many other countries, we have included an analysis by Gautham Nagesh.
> Under normal circumstances, his thoughtful, in-depth analyses are
> available only to paid subscribers to CQ Roll Call "Executive Briefing
> on Technology."  This is an abnormal circumstance.  There is great value
> in the security community understanding that the game has changed, and
> what it means.
>
> Well DUH!!!

Indeed, not surprising.

It should lead to both Obama and Bush being criminally tried for
committing acts of war absent a proper declaration.

Kurt

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