RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-20 Thread Tobie Fysh 
Match - have been using this configuration (primary and secondary) since DPM 
2007, now on 2010 and have never had a problem. Test restores of Exchange (2007 
& 2010), file stores and SQL2005 all working fine. Never had to use it in anger 
(yet!).

We have a tape drive attached to the secondary storage two for long term 
archiving.

Tobie

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com]
Sent: 19 April 2012 19:26
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions

I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not use 
removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a secondary DPM 
server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of the primary DPM 
server)

If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  :)

BF


From: James Kerr 
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
You said that- I didn't...

Heh.

And I have a Scanmaster II, so can figure out much of what's going on,
even if I don't have the tools or knowledge to fix it.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 22:01, John Cook  wrote:
> Till my next scheduled maintence. I have 272000 miles on it. They call them 
> idiot lights for a reason. ;-D
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
>> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> Not much...
>>
>> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>>
>> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
>> really annoying.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>>> John W. Cook
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>>>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
>>>> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian Desmond
>>>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>>>
>>>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>
>>>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>>>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
>>>> it is to Ultrabac.
>>>>
>>>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>>>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>>>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>>>
>>>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>>>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>>>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>>>
>>>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
>>>>> I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way 
>>>>> DPM is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>>>> traditional backup products.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>>
>>>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history 
>>>>> do you keep?
>>>>>
>>>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>>>> currently doing a standard Grand

Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread John Cook 
Till my next scheduled maintence. I have 272000 miles on it. They call them 
idiot lights for a reason. ;-D
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> Not much...
>
> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>
> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
> really annoying.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
>>> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Desmond
>>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>>
>>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
>>> it is to Ultrabac.
>>>
>>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>>
>>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>>> wrote:
>>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>>
>>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
>>>> I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>>
>>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>>> traditional backup products.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>
>>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>>> you keep?
>>>>
>>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have specific questions, y

Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> Not much...
>
> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>
> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
> really annoying.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
>>> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Desmond
>>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>>
>>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
>>> it is to Ultrabac.
>>>
>>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>>
>>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>>> wrote:
>>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>>
>>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
>>>> I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>>
>>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>>> traditional backup products.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>
>>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>>> you keep?
>>>>
>>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, Apri

Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread John Cook 
Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

Not much...

I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.

It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
really annoying.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
>> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Desmond
>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>
>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
>> is to Ultrabac.
>>
>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>
>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>> wrote:
>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>
>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>
>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>> traditional backup products.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>> you keep?
>>>
>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>>> backing up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powe

UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
Not much...

I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.

It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
really annoying.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
>> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Desmond
>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>
>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
>> is to Ultrabac.
>>
>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>
>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>> wrote:
>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>
>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>
>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>> traditional backup products.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>> you keep?
>>>
>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>>> backing up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> To manage subscriptions click here:
>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>>>>

Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread John Cook 
Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
> is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
> backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive 
> for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>
>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>
>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>> traditional backup products.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>> you keep?
>>
>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>> year retention for the archive.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>> backing up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
Only a little...

I've been looking at virtual tape options from folks like StarWind Software
to bridge the gap.

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years
> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than
> it is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly
> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time
> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> > That's not the way it works. :-P
> >
> > DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up.
> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I
> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
> >
> > You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way
> DPM is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than
> traditional backup products.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
> >
> > To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do
> you keep?
> >
> > We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and
> are currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with
> a 5 year retention for the archive.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> >> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
> >> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
> >> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
> >> backup of the primary DPM server)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
> >> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
> >> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will
> be backing up.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >>
>

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
> is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
> backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive 
> for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>
>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>
>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>> traditional backup products.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>> you keep?
>>
>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>> year retention for the archive.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>> backing up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Desmond 
The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it is 
to Ultrabac.

So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive for 
archival and/or DR/BC purposes?

Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to someone 
like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be problematic 
in a true DR/BC incident.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> That's not the way it works. :-P
>
> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
> that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 
> 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>
> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
> designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
> backup products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
> you keep?
>
> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
> year retention for the archive.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use 
>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me 
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> BF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>> backing up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
Yes, it can handle the basic functions of backup and restore, but it is
less of a point-in-time backup solution, and more of a data availability
product.  The paradigm is slightly different, even if some of the features
overlap.

For many needs, the differences are negligible, but in cases where long
retention periods are required, you have to augment the solution of think
of the problem in a different way.

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> Why do you say that? I have used it to “backup” and “restore” for years
> now with no issues at all.
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> DPM is not really a "backup" product.
>
> -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
>
> On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
>  wrote:
> > Removable seems to be a no no with DPM
>
>  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
> removable media.
>
> -- Ben
>
>
>

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have
some re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to
DPM than it is to Ultrabac.

So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly
offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a
point-in-time archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?

Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire
to someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that
could be problematic in a true DR/BC incident.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> That's not the way it works. :-P
>
> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
> that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 
> 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>
> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
> designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
> backup products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
> you keep?
>
> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
> year retention for the archive.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a
>> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> BF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>> backing up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread jesse-r...@wi.rr.com 
I like it... Mostly.  Though I found it wasn't easy to understand and the
documentation was/is horrible.   There some good benefits, as Jim said,
regarding space for backups, etc.  I just wish it were a bit more refined. 
Price is great, much cheaper than Symantec BE.

Original Message:
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:36:14 +
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Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions


I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand
what it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

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James

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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
I would just expand that Kurt can still meet his 5 year retention policy. It 
will just be there in one 'blob' of bits. The original copy and then all the 
'incremental' changes. It will, in my opinion work much better in that 
scenario. No thinking about what tape is at what storage site.  Just hit the 
spiffy calendar in DPM and pick the document and pull it back.

So if offsite storage is needed, set up a second one and replicate it off 
site/cloud.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions

That's not the way it works. :-P

DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 50-60 
generations of files being kept by clients.

You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
backup products.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do you 
keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 year 
retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a 
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Michael B. Smith 
That's not the way it works. :-P

DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 50-60 
generations of files being kept by clients.

You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
backup products.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do you 
keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 year 
retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a 
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  
> J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread James Kerr 
Thanks Bob, I may take you up on that offer.


On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Bob Fronk  wrote:

> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not
> use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of
> the primary DPM server)
>
> ** **
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  J***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> BF
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread James Kerr 
Excellent, thanks for the response. We will be backing up to a DL120 with
8TB of storage (enough to backup all our environment), our offsite backups
go to EVault. We will have a tape drive on the server to do tape backups
for monthly archiving. I can't wait to try this out. I'm sick of doing
daily tape backups.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you
> understand what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached
> Hard Drives.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Tim Vander Kooi 
Why do you say that? I have used it to "backup" and "restore" for years now 
with no issues at all.
Tim

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions


DPM is not really a "backup" product.

-ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

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On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott" 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
> Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

 Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
removable media.

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
DPM is not really a "backup" product.

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Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
 On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
>  wrote:
> > Removable seems to be a no no with DPM
>
>  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
> removable media.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kurt Buff 
To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM
have available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of
history do you keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and
are currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation
with a 5 year retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not use
> removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a secondary DPM
> server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of the primary
> DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I
> should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Bob Fronk 
I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not use 
removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a secondary DPM 
server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of the primary DPM 
server)

If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  :)

BF


From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
 wrote:
> Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
removable media.

-- Ben

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Jonathan Link 
Figures...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  Looks bad.
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.idealstor.com/blog/index.php/2011/11/microsoft-dpm-with-removable-disk-backup/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:57 PM
>
> *To:* 'NT System Admin Issues'
> *Subject:* RE: MS DPM Opinions
>
>  ** **
>
> Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> What about RDX?
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim <
> kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> wrote:
>
> I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand
> what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached Hard Drives.*
> ***
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
>  
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
Looks bad.

http://www.idealstor.com/blog/index.php/2011/11/microsoft-dpm-with-removable-disk-backup/


From: Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:57 PM
To: 'NT System Admin Issues'
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions

Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

What about RDX?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com<mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
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for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

What about RDX?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com<mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
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for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Jonathan Link 
What about RDX?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you
> understand what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached
> Hard Drives.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

2012-04-19 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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