RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Sounds good thanks, except the 30% overhead for debugging, what's up with that!! :) Greg -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 The 2.0 beta has some nice features already shown on its feature list. One thing that people are complaining about though is that it went to a web only interface like Virtual Center. The nice part about it is the people who use/know vc this is an easy manageable interface. The people who don't complain about its kludginess as compared to 1.0x. I think the reason for this move is because 2.0 is manageable by VC. This means if you have esx boxes and free vmware server boxes in your environment you could manage them through a single web interface that is VC. They might end up releasing a free VC in the end to manage vmware server, which would greatly reduce the learning curve for those people who are in vmware server and migrate up to esx. Just a sales ploy IMO, but more free products, whos complaining? 2.0 forces debugging mode on, which takes about 30% of your resources on the box. Basically making any 2.0 beta production box down to useless. It also wants to convert your drives to the new version. Conversion is pretty simple but going back requires some daring keystrokes on the .vmdk directly. I think when its ready it will be a good product. New support for o/s like e2k7, win2k8 etc will likely be in there. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Greg Mulholland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good thanks, except the 30% overhead for debugging, what's up with that!! :) I suspect that's because it's a beta version. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Yeah, I found out the hard way, thus the hardway of making the vmdk think it's a 1.0 version was a lot of fun. -Original Message- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Sounds good thanks, except the 30% overhead for debugging, what's up with that!! :) Greg -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 The 2.0 beta has some nice features already shown on its feature list. One thing that people are complaining about though is that it went to a web only interface like Virtual Center. The nice part about it is the people who use/know vc this is an easy manageable interface. The people who don't complain about its kludginess as compared to 1.0x. I think the reason for this move is because 2.0 is manageable by VC. This means if you have esx boxes and free vmware server boxes in your environment you could manage them through a single web interface that is VC. They might end up releasing a free VC in the end to manage vmware server, which would greatly reduce the learning curve for those people who are in vmware server and migrate up to esx. Just a sales ploy IMO, but more free products, whos complaining? 2.0 forces debugging mode on, which takes about 30% of your resources on the box. Basically making any 2.0 beta production box down to useless. It also wants to convert your drives to the new version. Conversion is pretty simple but going back requires some daring keystrokes on the .vmdk directly. I think when its ready it will be a good product. New support for o/s like e2k7, win2k8 etc will likely be in there. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
I think Azaleos has an Exchange 2007 VMWare appliance in the works http://www.azaleos.com/blog/#id3 Even with Microsoft support concerns, VMWare does promote the virtualization of Exchange on VMWare. I would too if I were them... they have this great window of opportunity handed to them by Microsoft. http://www.vmware.com/landing_pages/exchange_solution.html On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Benjamin Zachary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm? http://www.vmware.com/products/server/features.html ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
-Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? I'll be doing that this weekend using VMware Workstation 6.0.2. I can say for sure this works under Workstation 6.0.2. I have WS installed under Server 2003 R2 Std x32. I was able to load up Server 2003 R2 Std x64 with no problems. I am working my way thru Kevin Miller's excellent study guide for the 70-236 Exchange 2007 Install exam. I have downloaded the free VMware Server 1.0.4 but you can't have both WS and Server loaded on the same box. But I am sure Server x64 and Ex 2007 would lab out just fine with VMware Server. Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Have you seen this? VMware VDI on NetApp, 100 clients; 13 mins; 10 GB used http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Miv0PiJFzM -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Uhm? http://www.vmware.com/products/server/features.html ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
You can't have both Workstation and Server installed on the same machine? Or running at the same time? The latter can be explained because only one product can be using the hardware virtualisation components at any one time. As for running Ex2007 in VMWare Server. It works just fine (with the usual caveats around virtualisation of any product). This email is coming to you via Exchange 2007 hosted in VMWare Server. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 3:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? I'll be doing that this weekend using VMware Workstation 6.0.2. I can say for sure this works under Workstation 6.0.2. I have WS installed under Server 2003 R2 Std x32. I was able to load up Server 2003 R2 Std x64 with no problems. I am working my way thru Kevin Miller's excellent study guide for the 70-236 Exchange 2007 Install exam. I have downloaded the free VMware Server 1.0.4 but you can't have both WS and Server loaded on the same box. But I am sure Server x64 and Ex 2007 would lab out just fine with VMware Server. Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
-Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 You can't have both Workstation and Server installed on the same machine? Or running at the same time? When I try to install Server it tells me that Workstation is installed and I need to uninstall it before continuing. Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Exactly what Ken said! You can only use 'either' workstation or server on your machine at one time. So you need to choose uninstall Workstation if you don't want it. Bare in mind not all the workstation created machine will boot in server and vice versa (at least not in my use) I have Server on my workstation and workstation on my laptop, because i like multiple snapshots. I host anything from exchange 2007-moss 2007 on VMware server. anyone had a tinker with the VMware server 2.0 beta? any differences worth my time? Greg -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 You can't have both Workstation and Server installed on the same machine? Or running at the same time? When I try to install Server it tells me that Workstation is installed and I need to uninstall it before continuing. Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
I think Ben Z has been playing with the 2.0 beta version for awhile now. -Original Message- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Exactly what Ken said! You can only use 'either' workstation or server on your machine at one time. So you need to choose uninstall Workstation if you don't want it. Bare in mind not all the workstation created machine will boot in server and vice versa (at least not in my use) I have Server on my workstation and workstation on my laptop, because i like multiple snapshots. I host anything from exchange 2007-moss 2007 on VMware server. anyone had a tinker with the VMware server 2.0 beta? any differences worth my time? Greg -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 You can't have both Workstation and Server installed on the same machine? Or running at the same time? When I try to install Server it tells me that Workstation is installed and I need to uninstall it before continuing. Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
The 2.0 beta has some nice features already shown on its feature list. One thing that people are complaining about though is that it went to a web only interface like Virtual Center. The nice part about it is the people who use/know vc this is an easy manageable interface. The people who don't complain about its kludginess as compared to 1.0x. I think the reason for this move is because 2.0 is manageable by VC. This means if you have esx boxes and free vmware server boxes in your environment you could manage them through a single web interface that is VC. They might end up releasing a free VC in the end to manage vmware server, which would greatly reduce the learning curve for those people who are in vmware server and migrate up to esx. Just a sales ploy IMO, but more free products, whos complaining? 2.0 forces debugging mode on, which takes about 30% of your resources on the box. Basically making any 2.0 beta production box down to useless. It also wants to convert your drives to the new version. Conversion is pretty simple but going back requires some daring keystrokes on the .vmdk directly. I think when its ready it will be a good product. New support for o/s like e2k7, win2k8 etc will likely be in there. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
-Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? I'll be doing that this weekend using VMware Workstation 6.0.2. Here is someone else doing the same: http://www.expta.com/2007/10/installing-exchange-2007-sp1-notes-from.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yuaxr Webster ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
I have seen the truth, and it makes no sense. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-29-08 2:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
There's a 32-bit, non-Production version available for download. On 2/29/08 1:33 PM, Dennis Melahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ - Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter University of Southern California 818-612-5112 Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. - Robert A. Heinlein ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
However remember if you go that direction that Exchange 2007 is unsupported on the beta of Server 2008. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 No you cannot. The first MS-server that supports 64-bit clients is Hyper-V (currently in beta) on Windows Server 2008. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Quick question to see if anyone is still working on a Friday afternoon. I have installed this on a Server 2003 R2 SP1 x64 host. Can I install 64 bit guests? I ask because I am getting a error message when I try to install S2K3R2SP1x64 on a VM. It says the CPU is only capable of 32 bit operating systems (remember I said the host is 64 bit?). I am confused. Thanks, Dennis ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Use the 32-bit version for testing. That is supported. The 32-bit version works just fine - it's just slower than dog-doo. About which andy shook knows everything. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
No you cannot. The first MS-server that supports 64-bit clients is Hyper-V (currently in beta) on Windows Server 2008. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Quick question to see if anyone is still working on a Friday afternoon. I have installed this on a Server 2003 R2 SP1 x64 host. Can I install 64 bit guests? I ask because I am getting a error message when I try to install S2K3R2SP1x64 on a VM. It says the CPU is only capable of 32 bit operating systems (remember I said the host is 64 bit?). I am confused. Thanks, Dennis ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
Argh! How did I miss that? So there's no way to VM Exchange 2007 in my lab. What are people doing to test Exch 2007? ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/evaluation/virtualizationfaq.mspx Virtual Server 2005 R2 runs on both 32-bit and 64-bit (x64) host operating systems. It supports both AMD64 and Intel IA-32e/EM64T (x64) processors. Note that Virtual Server 2005 R2 does not support Itanium (IA-64) processors. Earlier versions of Virtual Server run on x64-based hardware provided it is running a 32-bit version of a supported host operating system. Note that Virtual Server 2005 R2 requires that guest operating systems be 32-bit. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 Quick question to see if anyone is still working on a Friday afternoon. I have installed this on a Server 2003 R2 SP1 x64 host. Can I install 64 bit guests? I ask because I am getting a error message when I try to install S2K3R2SP1x64 on a VM. It says the CPU is only capable of 32 bit operating systems (remember I said the host is 64 bit?). I am confused. Thanks, Dennis ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
