RE: OT VDI in a box.
It is this, without question: Bring your device, but if it doesn't work then it's your problem, ...other than the older XP machines that we own that we are going to extend the life of But you raise valid questions that should always be answered, answers in line. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT VDI in a box. We have been looking at VDI in a Box as well, but not as a BYOD solution. I like BYOD, but I think it's not worth it in the end. If it's a Bring your device, but if it doesn't work then it's your problem, kind of BYOD, I have no problems. Otherwise, here are some bullets for shooting down this bad idea: * Will each student be expected to use the VDI-in-a-Box desktop to use Office? If they want to store their stuff on their network storage, yes. If they want to go Google Apps or Office with Google App storage they can. They all have both already. * Is it expected that the VDI-in-a-Box session will be where the students will be content filtered? They are content filtered everywhere. If they hit guest and go straight out with their device they are filtered. They will of course be filtered on the VDI box as well. * Will students be provided with a device if they cannot afford a laptop? (This is a question that often comes up for these kinds of ideas at our school.) They will use existing devices, which are plentiful. This is in addition to our devices...giving the user options. * Will a student with an iPad, iPod touch or Android device have reduces productivity vs a computer with a built in keyboard? How will this be compensated for? They can do what they can with the device or they can use our existing desktops. * Will you be supporting BYOD devices after hours? Do you have the staffing for such support? Heck no we wont be supporting them during hours, let alone after hours. * Is your wireless infrastructure up to the task of the increased workload? Yes, and then some. * Do all of your currently supported software program work under a VDI solution? Yes, very well. Any thing that does no has already been phased out. * Does your school currently have the right to confiscate inappropriate material or devices? If you do, how does the student perform the necessary tasks without their BYOD? Yes, we have the right and I believe the legal requirement to confiscate inappropriate material. They can go back to using our desktops. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT VDI in a box.
We have the absolute best brownies I have ever had in my life here from the student kitchen. They are amazing. -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Food parcels would suffice :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:20:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT VDI in a box.
It's the special ingredient -sc -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. We have the absolute best brownies I have ever had in my life here from the student kitchen. They are amazing. -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Food parcels would suffice :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:20:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE- Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE- Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE- Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums
RE: OT VDI in a box.
Oh? Are you in Washington state or Colorado? -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. We have the absolute best brownies I have ever had in my life here from the student kitchen. They are amazing. -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Food parcels would suffice :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:20:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi- in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
Yes, the vendor has to agreeyou can use tools like AppDNA or ChangeBase to give you an idea of any compatibility issues, but if the vendor won't support it virtualized (it's just obstructiveness in some cases, but you can't get away from it), then you'll have to put together an alternative delivery mechanism. On 14 December 2012 14:58, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Also remember there are some vendors whose License Agreement expressly forbids virtualizing their application(s) in any way (server, desktop or application). ** ** I completed my part of a virtualization project back in early August (AD Assessment and looking at around 7,000 apps to determine virtualization candidates) and there were some apps where the vendor said one of two things: ** ** **1. **Our support contract is null and void for our apps if they are used in any type of virtualization environment (so no TS/RDS/XenApp/XenDesktop or App-V) **2. **We expressly forbid our applications to be virtualized or used on any virtualization environment ** ** Even Autodesk has a support page that lists their applications they support only under XenApp (and no they are not supported under pure TS/RDS from what I was emailed from the company). ** ** Even if you know an application works under TS/RDS/XenApp but the vendor will not support it and states so in writing, then as a consultant I cannot possibly recommend the customer run that software on a XenApp server. ** ** Bottom line, make sure your software vendor(s) support AND OR allow the use of their software in the way you intend to use it virtualized. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Subject:* Re: OT VDI in a box. ** ** If you have Citrix XenApp or RDS and no actual business driver for a full VDI implementation, then VDI is overkill in my opinion. Don't forget you can publish a desktop to a lot more users from one system via XenApp or RDS. With VDI it is one machine, one user. I think a lot of people forget that you can either deliver a server published desktop or individual apps to user devices without the need for actually delivering a full-fat Windows desktop machine to it. It totally depends on your needs - but in my experience VDI tends to be better suited to power users or users with applications that don't play well on the chosen SBC platform. YMMV, etc. ** ** On 14 December 2012 13:59, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: We are not stuck on VIAB. I just zeroed in on it because I am a Hyper-V shop and it plays well and deploys easily. We really have not decided which solution we are going to use. Are you saying VDI is overkill? This is certainly going to be a simple solution with not a lot of connections. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
Do you really need VIAB? Will a published desktop via Citrix XenApp or RDS not suffice? The Citrix Receiver runs on gazillions of devices these days, couple it with WI or Storefront and you can deploy apps and published desktops to a massive amount of BYO devices. I've seen so many unnecessary VDI implementations it's unbelievable... VIAB is very easy to set up and scalable, FWIW, but it might not be strictly what you require. On 13 December 2012 20:48, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgwrote: We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. ** ** This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. ** ** VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. ** ** Opinions and experiences gang?** ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT VDI in a box.
The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as 'free' computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers...like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT VDI in a box.
Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major down check just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as 'free' computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers...like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
We have been looking at VDI in a Box as well, but not as a BYOD solution. I like BYOD, but I think it's not worth it in the end. If it's a Bring your device, but if it doesn't work then it's your problem, kind of BYOD, I have no problems. Otherwise, here are some bullets for shooting down this bad idea: * Will each student be expected to use the VDI-in-a-Box desktop to use Office? * Is it expected that the VDI-in-a-Box session will be where the students will be content filtered? * Will students be provided with a device if they cannot afford a laptop? (This is a question that often comes up for these kinds of ideas at our school.) * Will a student with an iPad, iPod touch or Android device have reduces productivity vs a computer with a built in keyboard? How will this be compensated for? * Will you be supporting BYOD devices after hours? Do you have the staffing for such support? * Is your wireless infrastructure up to the task of the increased workload? * Do all of your currently supported software program work under a VDI solution? * Does your school currently have the right to confiscate inappropriate material or devices? If you do, how does the student perform the necessary tasks without their BYOD? ... And I'm sure I can think of more. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:48:53 -0800 Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as 'free' computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers...like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. ** ** I give it a major “down check” just because of that. ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT VDI in a box. ** ** The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. ** ** At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. ** ** http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ ** ** http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ ** ** I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** *From:* Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgkennedy...@elyriaschools.org] *Subject:* OT VDI in a box. ** ** We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. ** ** This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. ** ** VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. ** ** Opinions and experiences gang?** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
The real question is can he do it remotely! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
Food parcels would suffice :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:20:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT VDI in a box.
Didn't we do that something like 60 years ago? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Food parcels would suffice :-) ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:20:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT VDI in a box. Volunteer == no pay, right? :) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to work on it :-) On 13 December 2012 22:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Just TRY to find someone to work on it! Impossible. I give it a major “down check” just because of that. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT VDI in a box. The bloggers I know personally that have used it love it and extol it praises in how simple it is to deploy AND maintain. At this time, there is NO upgrade or migration path from VIAB to XenDesktop. http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/25/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-1-setting-up-the-server/ http://neil.spellings.net/2011/09/28/first-look-at-citrix-kaviza-vdi-in-a-box-part-2-creating-master-image/ I just sent Neil an email asking where is part three. Thanks Webster From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Subject: OT VDI in a box. We are going to have to go BYOD(oom). There is no escaping it in the public edu environment. The powers that be look at them as ‘free’ computers. So we are thinking a virtual desktop environment . One that is accessable via guest wireless and that can only talk to a few select servers…like their own user file servers. Then we deliver the appropriate desktop to them. This is for students, so we have to assume they are intentionally malicious/destructive/wanting to hack us. VDI in a box looks interesting. Rolls easily, runs on Hyper-V which is our virtualization software of choice…. Opinions and experiences gang? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- James Rankin Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
