Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Kurt Buff 
Yup. It's what I use on my FreeBSD 7 and 8 desktops running XFCE4.

Kurt

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:38, Thomas Mullins  wrote:
> Will it run under FreeBSD?
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
>> VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of
>> my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.
>
>  It works well on Linux.  Indeed, it started in the *nix world.  :)
>
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
VLC is great, but when you use some of the more leading-edge video formats,
you may notice issues.  Issues that you may be less likely to see in [for
instance] Media Player Classic that comes bundles with the CCCP filter/codec
pack.

Im not promoting one over the other.  I love VLC.  But I can assure you its
not perfect.  I find myself going back and forth depending on the media
container type.  In my experience, MKVs can have a rendering/syncing issues
- or are more likely to in VLC than in MPC.

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:

> VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of
> my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.
>
> >>> John Aldrich  10/8/2011 12:48 PM >>>
>
> On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> > "Winamp".
> >
> > Neil |¬D
> >
> Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another
>
> app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I
> like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player
> under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(
>
> --
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Mullins
 wrote:
> Will [VLC] run under FreeBSD?

  I haven't tried it, but their website says it's in ports.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-freebsd.html

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RE: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Thomas Mullins 
Will it run under FreeBSD?  

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
> VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of
> my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.

  It works well on Linux.  Indeed, it started in the *nix world.  :)

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Jonathan Link 
Shush.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Joseph Heaton 
> wrote:
> > VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any
> of
> > my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows
> boxes.
>
>   It works well on Linux.  Indeed, it started in the *nix world.  :)
>
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
> VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of
> my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.

  It works well on Linux.  Indeed, it started in the *nix world.  :)

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RE: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Webster 
Works very well on TS/RDS/XenApp servers from what I see on other mailing lists 
and forums.
Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
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From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of my 
systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.

>>> John Aldrich 
>>> mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> 
>>> 10/8/2011 12:48 PM >>>
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> "Winamp".
>
> Neil |¬D
>
Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another
app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I
like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player
under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(



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RE: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Just went to the download link.  Looks like there’s a Linux version.

From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any of my 
systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows boxes.

>>> John Aldrich 
>>> mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> 
>>> 10/8/2011 12:48 PM >>>
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> "Winamp".
>
> Neil |¬D
>
Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another
app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I
like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player
under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-12 Thread Joseph Heaton 
VLC.  I changed to that and now it's the only media player I use on any
of my systems.  Dunno if it works in Linux, but it's on all my Windows
boxes.

>>> John Aldrich  10/8/2011 12:48 PM >>>
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> "Winamp".
> 
> Neil |¬D
> 
Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got
another 
app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure
I 
like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player

under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-10 Thread John Cook 
+100. I keep a copy of the portable version on a flash drive as well. Tastes 
great, less filling!
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

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Subject: Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

The free VLC Player works wonders for almost all media formats.  It's lean and 
has replaced WMP and WinAmp on my systems.


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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> "Winamp".
>
> Neil ¦¬D
>
Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another
app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I
like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player
under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-10 Thread Roger Wright 
The free VLC Player works wonders for almost all media formats.  It's lean
and has replaced WMP and WinAmp on my systems.


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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> > "Winamp".
> >
> > Neil ¦¬D
> >
> Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another
> app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I
> like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player
> under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(
>
> --
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> John Aldrich
> Blueridge Industries
> IT Manager
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-10 Thread Roger Wright 
I've always thought it best not to accept candy from strangers...


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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:09 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> I was scanning my system at home with Microsoft's Standalone System Scanner
> and it found OpenCandy on my system, which I'd never heard of before. Come
> to find out it's a piece of software that comes bundled with a lot of
> freeware apps that offers to install some 3rd party app for you while
> you're
> installing the app you originally downloaded.
> To me, that sounds like adware. What do y'all think? I understand a need by
> programmers to get paid for their software but to my way of thinking, this
> subterfuge stinks!
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread John Aldrich 
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Greg Sweers  wrote:
> > Per them all their partners are required to provide an EULA that each
> > person has to accept before installing any new software.  I do
> > classify this myself as adware since that is precisely what its
> > doing.  ..I don't classify it as malware where they don't notify you
> > of installs and such and do a lot of subterfuge as you phrased it.
> 
>   Yah, it's an interesting concept.  It's certainly adware
> (advertisements in software), but different from the usual
> implementation, where you see ads while the program you asked for is
> running normally.  OpenCandy is supposedly only seen during
> installation of the program you asked for.
> 
>   If, as the purveyors claim, it's only used during installation
> (while waiting for the program you downloaded to install), it's
> relatively unobtrusive.  If, as the purveyors claim, it sends no
> identifying information out to others, it's also relatively harmless.
> If, as the purveyors claim, anyone using OpenCandy clearly identifies
> what it is and does, then it's also honest and above-board.
> 
>   PDFCreator adopted OpenCandy a year or three back.  There was a big
> kerfuffle in the user community about it.  The publishers of
> PDFCreator responded by offering an alternate installer without it.
> The prominent download link on this home page gives you the OpenCandy
> version; the other-downloads section has the sugar-free variety.
> 
>   Advertisements by themselves are not necessarily evil (advertising
> pays for a lot of things many people enjoy), but on the Internet and
> computer they often get used in disingenuous or unethical ways.
> Examples include advertisements that pop-up when you didn't ask for
> it, or track your activity.
> 
>   One thing that occurs to me is that many versions of Microsoft
> Windows also feature advertisements during installation.  So if you
> have a problem with using OpenCandy because you see ads during an
> install, then in fairness you should also stop using MS Windows.
> 
My main problem is that it *doesn't* go away like it's supposed to when 
it's done installing the app you requested. According to the OpenCandy, 
it's supposed to install the app, show you some optional software and then 
delete itself when it's done installing all the software.  On my computer, 
it didn't. I don't know what it did or didn't do since I last used it to 
install something. I installed two programs which are identified as using 
that, and I do not recall ever seeing anything about OpenCandy during those 
installs. Granted, I wasn't looking for it, but I still think it's a bit 
wrong to "hide" it from the end-user.
At least in previous versions it DID create a unique identifier for your 
computer. Granted they *say* that the new version doesn't do that, but do 
you REALLY trust these folks? I sure don't. 

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread Ben Scott 
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Greg Sweers  wrote:
> Per them all their partners are required to provide an EULA that each person
> has to accept before installing any new software.  I do classify this myself 
> as
> adware since that is precisely what its doing.  ..I don't classify it as 
> malware
> where they don't notify you of installs and such and do a lot of subterfuge
> as you phrased it.

  Yah, it's an interesting concept.  It's certainly adware
(advertisements in software), but different from the usual
implementation, where you see ads while the program you asked for is
running normally.  OpenCandy is supposedly only seen during
installation of the program you asked for.

  If, as the purveyors claim, it's only used during installation
(while waiting for the program you downloaded to install), it's
relatively unobtrusive.  If, as the purveyors claim, it sends no
identifying information out to others, it's also relatively harmless.
If, as the purveyors claim, anyone using OpenCandy clearly identifies
what it is and does, then it's also honest and above-board.

  PDFCreator adopted OpenCandy a year or three back.  There was a big
kerfuffle in the user community about it.  The publishers of
PDFCreator responded by offering an alternate installer without it.
The prominent download link on this home page gives you the OpenCandy
version; the other-downloads section has the sugar-free variety.

  Advertisements by themselves are not necessarily evil (advertising
pays for a lot of things many people enjoy), but on the Internet and
computer they often get used in disingenuous or unethical ways.
Examples include advertisements that pop-up when you didn't ask for
it, or track your activity.

  One thing that occurs to me is that many versions of Microsoft
Windows also feature advertisements during installation.  So if you
have a problem with using OpenCandy because you see ads during an
install, then in fairness you should also stop using MS Windows.

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread John Aldrich 
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing
> "Winamp".
> 
> Neil ¦¬D
> 
Yeah. As soon as I saw that on the list, I removed WinAmp. I've got another 
app that I'm going to try out in it's place, called SnackAmp. Not sure I 
like it much. I might have to stick to just using Windows Media Player 
under Windows and XMMS under Linux. :(

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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread John Aldrich 
On Sat October 8 2011, you wrote:
> Interesting retort from opencandy.
> http://www.opencandy.com/2011/03/04/the-story-behind-the-opencandy-and-m
> icrosoft-adware-debacle/
> 
> Per them all their partners are required to provide an EULA that each
> person has to accept before installing any new software.  I do classify
> this myself as adware since that is precisely what its doing.  ..I
> don't classify it as malware where they don't notify you of installs
> and such and do a lot of subterfuge as you phrased it. You had to
> accept the opencandy eula to install it at some point either through a
> partner affiliation or direct EULA.
> 
> "There is no such thing as a free lunch" this includes programs
> 
Actually, there is free software... just some of the stuff that comes 
packaged with OpenCandy isn't completely free...

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Blueridge Industries
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Re: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread Neil Turkenkopf 

Hi John,

In my case (just a home user) it was on my system from installing "Winamp".

Neil ¦¬D

-Original Message- 
From: John Aldrich

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

I was scanning my system at home with Microsoft's Standalone System Scanner
and it found OpenCandy on my system, which I'd never heard of before. Come
to find out it's a piece of software that comes bundled with a lot of
freeware apps that offers to install some 3rd party app for you while you're
installing the app you originally downloaded.
To me, that sounds like adware. What do y'all think? I understand a need by
programmers to get paid for their software but to my way of thinking, this
subterfuge stinks!
--
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John Aldrich
Blueridge Industries
IT Manager

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RE: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

2011-10-08 Thread Greg Sweers 
Interesting retort from opencandy.
http://www.opencandy.com/2011/03/04/the-story-behind-the-opencandy-and-microsoft-adware-debacle/

Per them all their partners are required to provide an EULA that each person 
has to accept before installing any new software.  I do classify this myself as 
adware since that is precisely what its doing.  ..I don't classify it as 
malware where they don't notify you of installs and such and do a lot of 
subterfuge as you phrased it.  
You had to accept the opencandy eula to install it at some point either through 
a partner affiliation or direct EULA.

"There is no such thing as a free lunch" this includes programs

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OpenCandy -- spyware/adware or misunderstood?

I was scanning my system at home with Microsoft's Standalone System Scanner and 
it found OpenCandy on my system, which I'd never heard of before. Come to find 
out it's a piece of software that comes bundled with a lot of freeware apps 
that offers to install some 3rd party app for you while you're installing the 
app you originally downloaded.
To me, that sounds like adware. What do y'all think? I understand a need by 
programmers to get paid for their software but to my way of thinking, this 
subterfuge stinks!
--
Thanks,
John Aldrich
Blueridge Industries
IT Manager

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