Re: Printing PDF files

[Kurt Buff]

More memory for the printer will probably help enormously.

Whatever amount is there, see if you can double it, or even max it out.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 09:46, Mark Scott  wrote:
>
> All initial test were from Adobe 9.03 standard.  Latest Foxit had the same 
> speed as Adobe.  Thanks, keep on asking questions. I’m at a loss on this one.
>
> I’m trying a older PS driver next.
>
> Mark
>
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> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> What happens if you use another PDF reader to print?
>
> Is it faster?
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Printing PDF files
>
> Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything else?
>
>
>
> I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon 
> imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest 
> PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.  
> The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing options 
> attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal speeds of 50 
> pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a second or two 
> between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs only.  I’ve 
> taken a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I have tried 
> different drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but 
> still slow.  I’m leaning towards the copier’s CPU just being slow, but any 
> tricks out there to help it along?
>
>
>
> Options currently set:
>
>     Auto-Rotate & Center is off
>
>     The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
>
>     Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)
>
>
>
> TIA, Mark
>
>
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RE: Printing PDF files

[Mark Scott]

All initial test were from Adobe 9.03 standard.  Latest Foxit had the
same speed as Adobe.  Thanks, keep on asking questions. I'm at a loss on
this one.  

I'm trying a older PS driver next.

Mark 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

 

What happens if you use another PDF reader to print?

Is it faster?

 

 



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From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
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RE: Printing PDF files

[Mark Scott]

I did change out to a Xerox 4150 'workgroup' printer and same result.
Slower than normal.  Thanks, Mark

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:jmor...@mjmc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

 

+1

We have some engineers who print out of Inventor/AutoCAD and it takes 10
minutes to print a document to one of the Canon ImageRunners while that
same document takes 10 seconds to print to an HP Laserjet. If you have
the opportunity to change to a different printer type just to test, see
if that does it.

Good luck.

Jason

 

From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:jjohn...@hydraflowusa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

 

Mark, I have some IR machines and have noticed the same thing.  Use the
PCL5e driver.  I found that is much better.  Latest is not always
greatest!

 

Jeff Johnson

Systems Administrator

714-773-2600 Office

714-773-6351 Fax

 

 

From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

 

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
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Re: Printing PDF files

[Kurt Buff]

Yes - going short on memory for the printer is not usually a good
idea. PS like RAM...

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 09:16, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> I recently found that the paper handling for my HP LaserJet would only behave 
> "properly"[1] with the PS driver, and not the PCL driver for some esoteric 
> cases.
>
> On the downside, I've since experienced a few "out of memory" errors on 
> complex print jobs... it appears that the postscript rasterizer is a bit more 
> memory intensive.[2]
>
> -sc
>
> [1] In this case a 4x6 piece of card stock fed thru the manual feed. The 
> "guide tabs" on the tray force you to center the card stock when feeding, 
> however the PCL driver acted as if the stock was positioned where the 
> top=left corner of a piece of 8.5x11 paper would have been
>
> [2] And of course HP couldn't just use a standard DIMM module on their 
> printers... N... it's some proprietary[3] RAM module
>
> [3] Pronounced "Ex-pen-sive".
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:52 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
>>
>> Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a good PS
>> driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit slower.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen render
>> pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -sc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded
>> bitmaps/jpegs) are internally encoded in PostScript, so the print/display
>> drivers are tiny PS interpreters.
>> >
>> > This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - especially
>> *nix.
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Indeed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
>> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as 
>> > part
>> of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as well,
>> altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the
>> name “portability”.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -sc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
>> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
>> >
>> > Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I 
>> > did a
>> paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
>> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print
>> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Orovet  Technical Support
>> >
>> > O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
>> >
>> > F: (727)812-0278
>> >
>> > Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com
>> >
>> > Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
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RE: Printing PDF files

[Steven M. Caesare]

I guess I should look in to that.

So far on the 2 times I've had it, I just printed the file in parts.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> 
> Yes but there is Generic compatible memory available for most of their
> printers that is considerably cheaper and works in most cases.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> 
> I recently found that the paper handling for my HP LaserJet would only
> behave "properly"[1] with the PS driver, and not the PCL driver for some
> esoteric cases.
> 
> On the downside, I've since experienced a few "out of memory" errors on
> complex print jobs... it appears that the postscript rasterizer is a bit more
> memory intensive.[2]
> 
> -sc
> 
> [1] In this case a 4x6 piece of card stock fed thru the manual feed. The 
> "guide
> tabs" on the tray force you to center the card stock when feeding, however
> the PCL driver acted as if the stock was positioned where the top=left corner
> of a piece of 8.5x11 paper would have been
> 
> [2] And of course HP couldn't just use a standard DIMM module on their
> printers... N... it's some proprietary[3] RAM module
> 
> [3] Pronounced "Ex-pen-sive".
> 
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:52 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> >
> > Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a
> > good PS
> > driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit slower.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen
> > > render
> > pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded
> > bitmaps/jpegs) are internally encoded in PostScript, so the
> > print/display drivers are tiny PS interpreters.
> > >
> > > This actually is in the name of portability between platforms -
> > > especially
> > *nix.
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and
> > > the
> > resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes
> > > it as part
> > of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as
> > well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all
> > > in the
> > name “portability”.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file.
> > > No
> > matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
> > >
> > > Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original
> > > doc. I did a
> > paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
> > converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or
&g

RE: Printing PDF files

[Crawford, Scott]

Doesn’t seem too expensive

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-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

I recently found that the paper handling for my HP LaserJet would only behave 
"properly"[1] with the PS driver, and not the PCL driver for some esoteric 
cases.

On the downside, I've since experienced a few "out of memory" errors on complex 
print jobs... it appears that the postscript rasterizer is a bit more memory 
intensive.[2]

-sc

[1] In this case a 4x6 piece of card stock fed thru the manual feed. The "guide 
tabs" on the tray force you to center the card stock when feeding, however the 
PCL driver acted as if the stock was positioned where the top=left corner of a 
piece of 8.5x11 paper would have been

[2] And of course HP couldn't just use a standard DIMM module on their 
printers... N... it's some proprietary[3] RAM module

[3] Pronounced "Ex-pen-sive".

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> 
> Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a good PS
> driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit slower.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
> >
> >
> >
> > The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen render
> pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded
> bitmaps/jpegs) are internally encoded in PostScript, so the print/display
> drivers are tiny PS interpreters.
> >
> > This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - especially
> *nix.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as 
> > part
> of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as well,
> altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
> >
> >
> >
> > The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the
> name “portability”.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
> >
> > Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I 
> > did a
> paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print
> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Orovet  Technical Support
> >
> > O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
> >
> > F: (727)812-0278
> >
> > Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com
> >
> > Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this
> > moment, are precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment.
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RE: Printing PDF files

[Terry Dickson]

Yes but there is Generic compatible memory available for most of their printers 
that is considerably cheaper and works in most cases.



-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

I recently found that the paper handling for my HP LaserJet would only behave 
"properly"[1] with the PS driver, and not the PCL driver for some esoteric 
cases.

On the downside, I've since experienced a few "out of memory" errors on complex 
print jobs... it appears that the postscript rasterizer is a bit more memory 
intensive.[2]

-sc

[1] In this case a 4x6 piece of card stock fed thru the manual feed. The "guide 
tabs" on the tray force you to center the card stock when feeding, however the 
PCL driver acted as if the stock was positioned where the top=left corner of a 
piece of 8.5x11 paper would have been

[2] And of course HP couldn't just use a standard DIMM module on their 
printers... N... it's some proprietary[3] RAM module

[3] Pronounced "Ex-pen-sive".

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> 
> Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a 
> good PS
> driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit slower.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
> >
> >
> >
> > The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen 
> > render
> pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded
> bitmaps/jpegs) are internally encoded in PostScript, so the 
> print/display drivers are tiny PS interpreters.
> >
> > This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - 
> > especially
> *nix.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare 
> > 
> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and 
> > the
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes 
> > it as part
> of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as 
> well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
> >
> >
> >
> > The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all 
> > in the
> name “portability”.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. 
> > No
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
> >
> > Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original 
> > doc. I did a
> paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were 
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or 
> print servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Orovet  Technical Support
> >
> > O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
> >
> > F: (727)812-0278
> >
> > Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com
> >
> > Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this 
> > moment, are precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment.
> > There is a hidden meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning 
> > is serving your own evolution.” ~Chopra
> >
> >
> >
> > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are 
> > for
> the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary, 
> confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthor

RE: Printing PDF files

[Steven M. Caesare]

I recently found that the paper handling for my HP LaserJet would only behave 
"properly"[1] with the PS driver, and not the PCL driver for some esoteric 
cases.

On the downside, I've since experienced a few "out of memory" errors on complex 
print jobs... it appears that the postscript rasterizer is a bit more memory 
intensive.[2]

-sc

[1] In this case a 4x6 piece of card stock fed thru the manual feed. The "guide 
tabs" on the tray force you to center the card stock when feeding, however the 
PCL driver acted as if the stock was positioned where the top=left corner of a 
piece of 8.5x11 paper would have been

[2] And of course HP couldn't just use a standard DIMM module on their 
printers... N... it's some proprietary[3] RAM module

[3] Pronounced "Ex-pen-sive".

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> 
> Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a good PS
> driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit slower.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
> >
> >
> >
> > The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen render
> pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded
> bitmaps/jpegs) are internally encoded in PostScript, so the print/display
> drivers are tiny PS interpreters.
> >
> > This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - especially
> *nix.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as 
> > part
> of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as well,
> altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
> >
> >
> >
> > The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the
> name “portability”.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
> >
> >
> >
> > When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
> >
> > Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I 
> > did a
> paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print
> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Orovet  Technical Support
> >
> > O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
> >
> > F: (727)812-0278
> >
> > Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com
> >
> > Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this
> > moment, are precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment.
> > There is a hidden meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning
> > is serving your own evolution.” ~Chopra
> >
> >
> >
> > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are for
> the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary,
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> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com

Re: Printing PDF files

[Kurt Buff]

Yup. I've always found PS printers (or at least printers that have a
good PS driver) to have better output than PCL, even if it is a bit
slower.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:47, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> Specifically “Display Postscript” IIRC.
>
>
>
> The NeXT cubes actually ran display postscript for their screen render 
> pipeline for exactly his sort of reason… output device agnosticism.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded bitmaps/jpegs) 
> are internally encoded in PostScript, so the print/display drivers are tiny 
> PS interpreters.
>
> This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - especially 
> *nix.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> Indeed.
>
>
>
> PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the 
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
>
>
>
> Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as 
> part of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as 
> well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
>
>
>
> The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the 
> name “portability”.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No 
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
>
> Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
>
>
>
>
>
> It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I did 
> a paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were 
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print 
> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Chris Orovet  Technical Support
>
> O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
>
> F: (727)812-0278
>
> Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com
>
> Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com
>
>
>
>
>
> “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this moment, are 
> precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment. There is a hidden 
> meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning is serving your own 
> evolution.” ~Chopra
>
>
>
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are for the 
> sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary, confidential, 
> trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, 
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>
>
> From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything else?
>
>
>
> I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon 
> imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest 
> PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.  
> The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing options 
> attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal speeds of 50 
> pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a second or two 
> between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs only.  I’ve 
> taken a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I have tried 
> different drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but 
> still slow.  I’m leaning towards the copier’s CPU just being slow, but any 
> tricks out there to help it along?
>
>
>
> Options currently set:
>
>     Auto-Rotate & Center is off
>
>     The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
>
>     Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)
>
>
>
> TIA, Mark
>
>
>  Mark Scott
>      IT Manager
>  +1.919.232.5900
>  +1.919.232.5901 fax
>
>  Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP
>  1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 

RE: Printing PDF files

[Maglinger, Paul]

Try Foxit Reader.

 

From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

 

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
 Mark Scott
 IT Manager
 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax 

 Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP  
 1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
 

 

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Re: Printing PDF files

[Kurt Buff]

In addition, PDFs (for text, at least, as opposed to embedded bitmaps/jpegs)
are internally encoded in PostScript, so the print/display drivers are tiny
PS interpreters.

This actually is in the name of portability between platforms - especially
*nix.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 07:24, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> Indeed.
>
>
>
> PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
>
>
>
> Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as
> part of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as
> well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
>
>
>
> The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the
> name “portability”.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
>
> Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
>
>
>
>
>
> It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I
> did a paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print
> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Chris Orovet  Technical Support
>
> [image: ATSI]
> O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
>
> F: (727)812-0278
>
> Email: *supp...@atsi-inc.com*
>
> Web: *http://www.atsi-inc.com*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this moment, are
> precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment. There is a hidden
> meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning is serving your own
> evolution.” ~Chopra
>
>
>
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are for the
> sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary,
> confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized
> review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited and may be a
> violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person
> responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please
> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message immediately.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
> else?
>
>
>
> I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon
> imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest
> PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.
> The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing
> options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal
> speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a
> second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs
> only.  I’ve taken a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I
> have tried different drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4,
> ect but still slow.  I’m leaning towards the copier’s CPU just being slow,
> but any tricks out there to help it along?
>
>
>
> Options currently set:
>
> Auto-Rotate & Center is off
>
> The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
>
> Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)
>
>
>
> TIA, Mark
>
>
>
>
>  Mark Scott
>  IT Manager
>  +1.919.232.5900
>  +1.919.232.5901 fax
>
>  Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP <http://www.hpg.com/>
>  1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
>  Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
> [image: Member of CPAmerica International]
>
>
>
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Re: Printing PDF files

[Jon Harris]

Hey thanks I learned something new the day is starting better than
yesterday!

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

>  Indeed.
>
>
>
> PDF’s are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
> resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.
>
>
>
> Word, etc… send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it as
> part of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh printer as
> well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.
>
>
>
> The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs… all in the
> name “portability”.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
> matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case.
>
> Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:
>
>
>
>
>
> It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I
> did a paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs were
> converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or print
> servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Chris Orovet  Technical Support
>
> [image: ATSI]
> O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125
>
> F: (727)812-0278
>
> Email: *supp...@atsi-inc.com*
>
> Web: *http://www.atsi-inc.com*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> “Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this moment, are
> precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment. There is a hidden
> meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning is serving your own
> evolution.” ~Chopra
>
>
>
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are for the
> sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary,
> confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized
> review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited and may be a
> violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person
> responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please
> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message immediately.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Printing PDF files
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
> else?
>
>
>
> I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon
> imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest
> PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.
> The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing
> options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal
> speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a
> second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs
> only.  I’ve taken a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I
> have tried different drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4,
> ect but still slow.  I’m leaning towards the copier’s CPU just being slow,
> but any tricks out there to help it along?
>
>
>
> Options currently set:
>
> Auto-Rotate & Center is off
>
> The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
>
> Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)
>
>
>
> TIA, Mark
>
>
>
>
>  Mark Scott
>  IT Manager
>  +1.919.232.5900
>  +1.919.232.5901 fax
>
>  Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP <http://www.hpg.com/>
>  1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
>  Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
> [image: Member of CPAmerica International]
>
>
>
> IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed
> by the IRS, we inform you that any tax advice contained in this
> communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be
> used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under
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> another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
>
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RE: Printing PDF files

[Steven M. Caesare]

Indeed.

 

PDF's are basically rasterized within the PDF program itself, and the
resulting bitmap is sent to the printer.

 

Word, etc... send the text/font info to the printer, which rasterizes it
as part of the printing process. Vector graphics are passed tot eh
printer as well, altho bitmap graphics has to be sent as a bitmap blob.

 

The end result tends to be longer print times and larger jobs... all in
the name "portability".

 

-sc

 

From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

 

When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case. 

Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:

 

 

 

It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I
did a paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs
were converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or
print servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.

 

Regards,

 

Chris Orovet  Technical Support

 
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F: (727)812-0278

Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com

Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com

 

 

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From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

 

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
 Mark Scott
 IT Manager
 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax 

 Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP <http://www.hpg.com/> 
 1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
 

 

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RE: Printing PDF files

[Chris Orovet]

When a pdf spools a 5 meg file can easily become a 200-250 meg file. No
matter what version of adobe ive used this has always been the case. 

Here is a 79 kb file that I printed as a comparison:

 

 

 

It blew up to almost 400kb amost 5 times the size of the original doc. I
did a paperless conversion for my company a few years back. All docs
were converted to pdf or word. Word docs had no effect on my printers or
print servers. The pdf files slowed everything down.

 

Regards,

 

Chris Orovet  Technical Support

 
O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125

F: (727)812-0278

Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com

Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com

 

 

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From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

 

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
 Mark Scott
 IT Manager
 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax 

 Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP  
 1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
 

 

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RE: Printing PDF files

[Jason Morris]

+1
We have some engineers who print out of Inventor/AutoCAD and it takes 10 
minutes to print a document to one of the Canon ImageRunners while that same 
document takes 10 seconds to print to an HP Laserjet. If you have the 
opportunity to change to a different printer type just to test, see if that 
does it.
Good luck.
Jason

From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:jjohn...@hydraflowusa.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing PDF files

Mark, I have some IR machines and have noticed the same thing.  Use the PCL5e 
driver.  I found that is much better.  Latest is not always greatest!

Jeff Johnson
Systems Administrator
714-773-2600 Office
714-773-6351 Fax
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAA57A.C349D770]

From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything else?

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon 
imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest 
PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.  The 
canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing options 
attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal speeds of 50 
pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a second or two 
between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken 
a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I have tried different 
drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm 
leaning towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to 
help it along?

Options currently set:
Auto-Rotate & Center is off
The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

TIA, Mark


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RE: Printing PDF files

[Terry Dickson]

I have looked into this a few times and so far every time I checked the PDF 
Files were 10-100 times the size of the word or excel files.  It is pretty easy 
to see that as we save every print job to our print servers and my assistant 
wrote a little script to delete them after 7 days.  We had to do that because 
we have a few 16-bit apps that the print job cannot be recreated.  And the 
users will sometimes not pick up the print until two days after they print it 
and then find out the printer was low on toner and their job had poor quality.

From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything else?

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon 
imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest 
PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.  The 
canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing options 
attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal speeds of 50 
pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a second or two 
between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken 
a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I have tried different 
drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm 
leaning towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to 
help it along?

Options currently set:
Auto-Rotate & Center is off
The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

TIA, Mark


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 Mark Scott
 IT Manager
 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax

 Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP
 1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
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RE: Printing PDF files

[David Mazzaccaro]

What happens if you use another PDF reader to print?
Is it faster?
 



From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files



Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything
else?

 

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a
Canon imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with
the latest PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using
RAW port 9100.  The canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a
few finishing options attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the
copier at normal speeds of 50 pages per min, but the PDF is about half
that speed.  Pausing a second or two between every 2 or 3 pages.  The
user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken a windows print server out
of the way and still slow.  I have tried different drivers like the
latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm leaning
towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to
help it along?

 

Options currently set:

Auto-Rotate & Center is off

The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs

Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

 

TIA, Mark



 
 Mark Scott
 IT Manager
 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax 

 Hughes Pittman & Gupton, LLP  
 1500 Sunday Drive, Suite 300
 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
 



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RE: Printing PDF files

[Jeff Johnson]

Mark, I have some IR machines and have noticed the same thing.  Use the PCL5e 
driver.  I found that is much better.  Latest is not always greatest!

Jeff Johnson
Systems Administrator
714-773-2600 Office
714-773-6351 Fax
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAA569.738C15B0]

From: Mark Scott [mailto:msc...@hpg.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Printing PDF files

Is it just me, or why do PDF files print so much slower than everything else?

I have a user who is printing Adobe PDF v1.6 files (Acrobat 7) to a Canon 
imagerunner 5020 copier.  User is on a very nice XP SP3 box with the latest 
PCL6 canon driver, printing directly over the network using RAW port 9100.  The 
canon copier has 256MB of memory, a 100Mb nic and a few finishing options 
attached.  Word and Excel files fly threw the copier at normal speeds of 50 
pages per min, but the PDF is about half that speed.  Pausing a second or two 
between every 2 or 3 pages.  The user are printing text PDFs only.  I've taken 
a windows print server out of the way and still slow.  I have tried different 
drivers like the latest PS driver, HP LJ III, HP LJ 4, ect but still slow.  I'm 
leaning towards the copier's CPU just being slow, but any tricks out there to 
help it along?

Options currently set:
Auto-Rotate & Center is off
The only finishing is to offset the pages between print jobs
Print quality is set to text (opposed to graphics)

TIA, Mark


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 +1.919.232.5900
 +1.919.232.5901 fax

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 Raleigh, North Carolina, 27607
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