Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Nothing substantiated as yet, however. *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
This article claims a false positive by Vipre: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/samsung-keylogger-accusations-prove-false/ - Original Message - From: Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:43:30 AM Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB ( Professional Bio ) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...** * * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...** * * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
I find fault with both. :) I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. :) I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
False positives are an unfortunate fact of detection, in any shape or form. I think, as others have said, Mr Hasan needs to concentrate on verifying his facts rather than chasing the media to get his name out there. *Security researcher*? H On 31 March 2011 16:35, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...** * * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
I think you apologizing to Mr. Hassan is over and above the call of duty, and just illustrates why I recommend Vipre to clients, friends and family. You guys stand behind your product, and own your mistakes. Nothing is perfect, but the people that are behind the product really do make a difference. As a security researcher, he has a greater duty than relying on a single piece of software to make a determination of whether or not something is malware. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...** * * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
I think you were astonishingly gracious. Props to you! Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. :) I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. SmithConsultant and Exchange MVPhttp://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. SmithConsultant and Exchange MVPhttp://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. SmithConsultant and Exchange MVPhttp://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog:http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 CheersKen From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote:Interesting:http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don?t get written up and /.?ed. The original author should?ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get ?big-boy? levels of attention? Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it?s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre? It?s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
At least it didn't delete any Windows files like McAfee DAT 5958... From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention False positives are an unfortunate fact of detection, in any shape or form. I think, as others have said, Mr Hasan needs to concentrate on verifying his facts rather than chasing the media to get his name out there. Security researcher? H On 31 March 2011 16:35, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keyl ogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunke d/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio ) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
If it's of questionable taste... clearly I need to see it. Link? -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keyl ogger.html http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-key logger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. :-) I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunke d/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunk ed/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com ] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com mailto:asbz...@gmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio ) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net mailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Yes? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: If it’s of questionable taste… clearly I need to see it. Link? -sc *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. *Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com* 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala -- From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM * To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM * To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. * ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) * Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...* * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting:* *http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
It's a suggestive view of a woman's lower leg with the caption, Who doesn't like fast and easy? Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote on 03/31/2011 11:40:50 AM: Yes? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: If it?s of questionable taste? clearly I need to see it. Link? -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have- keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don?t get written up and /.?ed. The original author should?ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get ?big-boy? levels of attention? Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it?s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre? It?s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Be careful... fast and easy will get you... infected. -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention It's a suggestive view of a woman's lower leg with the caption, Who doesn't like fast and easy? Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote on 03/31/2011 11:40:50 AM: Yes? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com mailto:scaes...@caesare.com%0b wrote: If it's of questionable taste... clearly I need to see it. Link? -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have- keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com%0b wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com%0b wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunke d/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
I agree. We've pulled it. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. Shauna Hensala she...@msn.commailto:she...@msn.com 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. :) I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don't get written up and /.'ed. The original author should've tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get big-boy levels of attention... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it's easily possible to reproduce with Vipre... It's a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. ASB (Professional Biohttp://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Technology Services that Maximize Business Results... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.netmailto:chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention
Is my taste questionable because I hold you in high esteem? Actually, I wondered why you were calling me back to this discussion... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Speaking of questionable taste.. .look who showed up! -sc *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Yes? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: If it’s of questionable taste… clearly I need to see it. Link? -sc *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention HIJACK!!! OTOH, GFI might want to reconsider the advertizing sticker on the front cover of Windows IT Pro. It's taste is rather questionable and really doesn't belong on the front cover. *Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com* 03/31/2011 10:49 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Press this button if the To is a fax number. Enter in the fax number like 123-456-7890. cc Subject RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention GFI/Vipre displays a higher level of integrity than the researcher - IMHO. Shauna Hensala -- From: al...@sunbelt-software.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I wrote a response this morning: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/samsung-laptops-do-not-have-keylogger.html Alex *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:20 AM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention I find fault with both. J I agree with you. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:18 AM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Oh, I agree, but you seem to be finding fault with the tool. I find fault witht he professional using the tool. It seems to me, that many of us forget to test for repeatability, and fewer know how to do to that properly. My opinion of a security research trying to make a name for himself, and there's no doubt that's what this episode was all about, should have enough intellectual rigor to attack the problem from all angles before publishing findings. If I'm a client of NetSec Consulting (firm he founded), and I catch wind of this, I won't be a client for very long. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The challenge/issue here is that every AV has false positives. Most of them, however, don’t get written up and /.’ed. The original author should’ve tested with multiple engines. And, as Vipre starts to play with the big boys, they are going to get “big-boy” levels of attention… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:04 AM * To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Has someone had a career changing event? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: And it’s easily possible to reproduce with Vipre… It’s a false alarm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] * Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:44 AM * To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Samsung denies, according to their blog: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:10 PM* To:* NT System Admin Issues* Subject:* Re: Samsung keylogger with Vipre mention Nothing substantiated as yet, however. * ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) * Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...* * * On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:01 AM, chipsh...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting:* *http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.html ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
