Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. LOL ... sounds all too familiar ... maybe you know me, ... as Yoda ? Royal Star Venture On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Haha, yea I thought we were going there when I first asked but I still needed and value the opinions. I am a biker, and every once in a while someone will ask on a message board 'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. That creates some massive threads, no conclusions and a few minor flame wars. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V It's like religion. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Nope, I am 'Neon'. Kawi Nomad. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V 'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. LOL ... sounds all too familiar ... maybe you know me, ... as Yoda ? Royal Star Venture On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Haha, yea I thought we were going there when I first asked but I still needed and value the opinions. I am a biker, and every once in a while someone will ask on a message board 'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. That creates some massive threads, no conclusions and a few minor flame wars. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V It's like religion. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I had an older HP with embedded RAID controller that had the same issue. -sc From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V There is a fix that I would have to go looking for again but it used the built-in backup on the host to do the entire machine host and vms all live. I had 6 VM's running on a Dell 2950. Total on box about 1.3 GB and it would take about 2 to 4 hours to do the full image backups and the VMs stayed live. Load tested by accident during working hours and I had no complaints from the users. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
There is this: http://www.gilham.org/Blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?List=aab85845-88d2-4091 -8088-a6bbce0a4304ID=243 But it doesn't look like it's supported From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? Acronis TI server should do that. Not free but not really expensive On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Worse than not supported - not a solution. First and very true comment posted to that article: Snapshots are not a replacement for Backups I think the winning answer in this sub-thread is wbadmin. I'm running a wbadmin backup now on the host of two running VM's. Before this I took the VM's down and copied the VHD's. wbadmin takes care of everything including a bare metal restore to dissimilar hardware, big win with that. Carl From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V There is this: http://www.gilham.org/Blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?List=aab85845-88d2-4091-8088 -a6bbce0a4304 http://www.gilham.org/Blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?List=aab85845-88d2-4091-808 8-a6bbce0a4304ID=243 ID=243 But it doesn't look like it's supported.. From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? Acronis TI server should do that. Not free but not really expensive On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Sorry did not look it up but the fix I am thinking of was on the MS TechNet site and involved a registry hack. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: Is wbadmin what you're referring to? http://www.mcbsys.com/techblog/2009/11/setting-up-windows-server-backup-on-hyper-v-server-2008-r2/ On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fix that I would have to go looking for again but it used the built-in backup on the host to do the entire machine host and vms all live. I had 6 VM's running on a Dell 2950. Total on box about 1.3 GB and it would take about 2 to 4 hours to do the full image backups and the VMs stayed live. Load tested by accident during working hours and I had no complaints from the users. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
+1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Agreed. A nice thing about VMWare is that you can start out with the very robust ESXi for free, and if you determine you later need the more advanced features, you can simply license those features at that time. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
It's like religion. I support customers that love VMWare and I support customers that love Hyper-V. Personally, I run Hyper-V. I like it. The feature set isn't exactly the same, but it's quite similar. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
+2 But to be fair, it really is a religious war. You will find people who like one or the other. Personally I am a huge ESX fan. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Do VMWare and Hyper-V fans both treat XenServer with equal disdain? I know I'm less than impressed with it (being an ESX evangelist myself) On 26 October 2010 15:20, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: +2 But to be fair, it really is a religious war. You will find people who like one or the other. Personally I am a huge ESX fan. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
For our environment we use Hyper-V so far I have 4 servers running on a Dell R710 and it is running without a hitch Bob Anderson IT Manager Kent Sporting Goods Inc. 433 Park Ave. S New London OH 44851 419-929-7021 x315 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V I'll argue the converse - for a small, simple virtual environment as the OP is targeting, Hyper-V is notably easier to configure and use for an organization without VMware experience. Hyper-V's management tools certainly aren't as robust as VMware's at this point (even with SCOM and VMM), but they are adequate for this kind of need. Performance, with a properly configured system, shouldn't be an issue, either. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 08:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Haha, yea I thought we were going there when I first asked but I still needed and value the opinions. I am a biker, and every once in a while someone will ask on a message board 'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. That creates some massive threads, no conclusions and a few minor flame wars. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V It's like religion. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
20/50 non synthetic of course! On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Haha, yea I thought we were going there when I first asked but I still needed and value the opinions. I am a biker, and every once in a while someone will ask on a message board 'What is the best oil for my motorcycle'. That creates some massive threads, no conclusions and a few minor flame wars. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V It's like religion. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I use both Hyper-V (clients) and VMWare (%dayjob%), although admittedly I know Hyper-V from the ground up and VMWare I just mainly create machines and move them around. VMWare is more flexible although 2008 R2 Hyper-V is good enough for actual use - even though my clients are on pre-R2 Hyper-V. IMO both are pretty easy to figure out. The downside of Hyper-V is you have an OS you still have to patch and reboot regularly which may or may not matter to you. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Not mentioned so far but I use Citrix XenServer for my virtualization needs for Windows servers and XenDesktop. It's a good fit if you are already a Citrix shop (we are). Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org 10/26/2010 9:47 AM Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I was just looking into that. I can't say it is free...but BackupExec has a solution for that, an agent. So if you already have BE you can just get the agent. Our edu discount makes it pretty darn nice which I would assume you can get too. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
For your stated needs (and even some growth beyond that), I would use Hyper-V. Both will do the job. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgwrote: Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Seems so... :) *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:23 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: Do VMWare and Hyper-V fans both treat XenServer with equal disdain? I know I'm less than impressed with it (being an ESX evangelist myself) On 26 October 2010 15:20, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: +2 But to be fair, it really is a religious war. You will find people who like one or the other. Personally I am a huge ESX fan. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Look at Disk2VHD from SysInternals. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
***The downside of Hyper-V is you have an OS you still have to patch and reboot regularly which may or may not matter to you. * Um... There are quite a number of ESX patches out there, too. http://secunia.com/advisories/vendor/300/ *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I use both Hyper-V (clients) and VMWare (%dayjob%), although admittedly I know Hyper-V from the ground up and VMWare I just mainly create machines and move them around. VMWare is more flexible although 2008 R2 Hyper-V is good enough for actual use - even though my clients are on pre-R2 Hyper-V. IMO both are pretty easy to figure out. The downside of Hyper-V is you have an OS you still have to patch and reboot regularly which may or may not matter to you. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I get what you are saying, but I'm not really seeing that as an issue, though. Downloading the VMware ISO with the drivers isn't much different than downloading the Dell PowerEdge driver package for Windows. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I'm not getting your point, Paul Where do these supposed dependencies manifest themselves? The HCL for Windows 2008 R2 is still larger than that of vSphere. If you've installed Windows on the box, where else do you need to fiddle with NIC (or other) drivers before you can bring your virtual environment online? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Fair point too, I just know the hassle we had with one Windows server which would semi-freeze where we were pretty sure the culprit was either EMC Powerpath or the Broadcom NIC teaming drivers but (admittedly perhaps due to lack of time/skill on my part), I would have killed for a install this lot and you know all the versions will play nice together ISO image - in the end we actually gave up on it and stuck it in a VM. Personally I see it as just use what fits your situation best, but to me the two reasons I listed were important. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 17:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V I get what you are saying, but I'm not really seeing that as an issue, though. Downloading the VMware ISO with the drivers isn't much different than downloading the Dell PowerEdge driver package for Windows. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
The HCL is larger but that doesn't mean that Windows will come with all the drivers for every item on the HCL out of the box. vSphere generally does if a box is on the compatibility list. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 17:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V I'm not getting your point, Paul Where do these supposed dependencies manifest themselves? The HCL for Windows 2008 R2 is still larger than that of vSphere. If you've installed Windows on the box, where else do you need to fiddle with NIC (or other) drivers before you can bring your virtual environment online? ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
That VMWare 'comes with the drivers' is really not much of an argument for me. Most likely you already have the drivers available. That the free ESXi doesn't come with all the PowerShell CLI access that the paid for version does would be. That ESXi uses a different file storage formats and is a different technology would also affect my decision. I would imagine that MS has SA support available for HyperV as well. That said, they both work but unless you have a lot of non-Windows systems you are wanting to virtualize you could use either. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: The HCL is larger but that doesn’t mean that Windows will come with all the drivers for every item on the HCL out of the box. vSphere generally does if a box is on the compatibility list. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 26 October 2010 17:04 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V I'm not getting your point, Paul Where do these supposed dependencies manifest themselves? The HCL for Windows 2008 R2 is still larger than that of vSphere. If you've installed Windows on the box, where else do you need to fiddle with NIC (or other) drivers before you can bring your virtual environment online? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Maybe I am naïve, but I am the type who spreads my eggs into multiple baskets. I would rather deal with a Windows exploit in an isolated manner between my host and my guest, than have to worry if my host was compromised as well by the same exploit. -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V Fair point too, I just know the hassle we had with one Windows server which would semi-freeze where we were pretty sure the culprit was either EMC Powerpath or the Broadcom NIC teaming drivers but (admittedly perhaps due to lack of time/skill on my part), I would have killed for a install this lot and you know all the versions will play nice together ISO image - in the end we actually gave up on it and stuck it in a VM. Personally I see it as just use what fits your situation best, but to me the two reasons I listed were important. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 17:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V I get what you are saying, but I'm not really seeing that as an issue, though. Downloading the VMware ISO with the drivers isn't much different than downloading the Dell PowerEdge driver package for Windows. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I have zero experience with VMWare, but I've been using Hyper-V here for a year or so with flawless results. We've moved just about everything over to Hyper-V VMs at this point--from simple things like basic apps to more advanced stuff like Exchange. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I'm fully agreed on your last point - use what meets your business needs. Being a fanboy - one way or the other - doesn't really benefit you or your company. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:09 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V Fair point too, I just know the hassle we had with one Windows server which would semi-freeze where we were pretty sure the culprit was either EMC Powerpath or the Broadcom NIC teaming drivers but (admittedly perhaps due to lack of time/skill on my part), I would have killed for a install this lot and you know all the versions will play nice together ISO image - in the end we actually gave up on it and stuck it in a VM. Personally I see it as just use what fits your situation best, but to me the two reasons I listed were important. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 17:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V I get what you are saying, but I'm not really seeing that as an issue, though. Downloading the VMware ISO with the drivers isn't much different than downloading the Dell PowerEdge driver package for Windows. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Awesome! Thanks for this. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Look at Disk2VHD from SysInternals. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
+1 And we use VMware. We implemented before Hyper-V was really available, but even once it became available, we considered it a joke, because sub-second vmotion was not possible with Hyper-V. I hear that they finally got past that hurdle, but still...don't like having all my eggs in one basket, if I can help it. And having your host OS platform different from your guest systems is an advantage, IMO, because of just what you state, Klint. Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: Klint Price [mailto:kpr...@arizonaitpro.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V Maybe I am naïve, but I am the type who spreads my eggs into multiple baskets. I would rather deal with a Windows exploit in an isolated manner between my host and my guest, than have to worry if my host was compromised as well by the same exploit. -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V Fair point too, I just know the hassle we had with one Windows server which would semi-freeze where we were pretty sure the culprit was either EMC Powerpath or the Broadcom NIC teaming drivers but (admittedly perhaps due to lack of time/skill on my part), I would have killed for a install this lot and you know all the versions will play nice together ISO image - in the end we actually gave up on it and stuck it in a VM. Personally I see it as just use what fits your situation best, but to me the two reasons I listed were important. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 17:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V I get what you are saying, but I'm not really seeing that as an issue, though. Downloading the VMware ISO with the drivers isn't much different than downloading the Dell PowerEdge driver package for Windows. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V That's exactly my point though, you can end up so dependent upon the right combination of third party drivers on the box running hyper-v vs. download vsphere ISO, put in drive, boot, install, done. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 16:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V 1) Hyper-V is Windows - whatever drivers you need to run Windows on that hardware is what you need for Hyper-V; no different than any other Windows implementation. If you have a major name server, you'll have the drivers you need from the vendor. 2) I can't speak to paid support from non-EA Microsoft customers, but there's a large and growing amount of Hyper-V knowledge available in the community. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Personally I'd go with vsphere and look at one of the Essentials bundles as that will give you cluster capability as well as central control from vCenter. I don't have anything against Hyper-V as I've never actually used it, but my reservations and reasons for not doing so are two-fold: 1) Hardware compatibility - with vsphere you have a HCL and if it's on that, vmware will supply everything, you just download and insert the media when necessary. With Hyper-V the hardware may be supported but you may still have to go download drivers from Broadcom or whoever before you have a working Hyper-V server. 2) Support - with vsphere you can pay vmware for support, or you can use their forums for free. With Hyper-V unless you have some sort of enterprise agreement my understanding (and it is just an understanding, I could be dead wrong) is that you can't purchase support cheaply just on Hyper-V. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Quick question: Would you run Disk2vhd on each Hyper-V VM, or just hit the host? The whole host would be easier (less machines to backup) but I don't know if there would be some kind of problem with the imbeded VMs being snapshotted... Anybody try it? --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:41:53 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Awesome! Thanks for this. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Look at Disk2VHD from SysInternals. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Isn't this more of a migration tool that a backup tool? Disk2VHD can only be used on the VM guests, not the host. It still would work like a backup agent within the VM, not at the host level. ESX and Hyper-V each have a product to perform backups at the host level. (Preferred method in some ways) ESX: Consolidated Backup Hyper-V: DPM Sam -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Quick question: Would you run Disk2vhd on each Hyper-V VM, or just hit the host? The whole host would be easier (less machines to backup) but I don't know if there would be some kind of problem with the imbeded VMs being snapshotted... Anybody try it? --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:41:53 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Awesome! Thanks for this. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V Look at Disk2VHD from SysInternals. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
+3 :) In saying that, I haven't looked at hyper-v at all, so my recommendation is biased, can't imagine it would have anything that would make me switch. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 26 Oct 2010 15:20, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: +2 But to be fair, it really is a religious war. You will find people who like one or the other. Personally I am a huge ESX fan. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
I use VMware at work and HyperV at home. We have a decent sized VMware installation at work (~80 hosts with ~1800 guests). That said, given our size of our guest systems it would be an annoyance to switch to HyperV. We have considered that at various times during contract negotiations and it is certainly on the table. One day we still might but right now given the multi-year investment in knowledge and tuning it's not worth switching over even though support is really expensive just because. That said, if we ever need to, we can and will pull the trigger and migrate. Both technologies will have their own issues but both solutions will work. I have friends running comparibly sized HyperV installations and they are about as satisifed as we are with VMware. Most issues revolve around working with our storage teams (seperate) and getting latency numbers we're happy with. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com wrote: +3 :) In saying that, I haven't looked at hyper-v at all, so my recommendation is biased, can't imagine it would have anything that would make me switch. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 26 Oct 2010 15:20, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: +2 But to be fair, it really is a religious war. You will find people who like one or the other. Personally I am a huge ESX fan. -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
That the lower/smaller end I found that the Hyper-V was just as easy to maintain as VMWare but had a lot easier licensing to deal with. I did not need to keep track of 2 sets of licenses. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Malcolm Reitz malcolm.re...@live.comwrote: I'll argue the converse - for a small, simple virtual environment as the OP is targeting, Hyper-V is notably easier to configure and use for an organization without VMware experience. Hyper-V's management tools certainly aren't as robust as VMware's at this point (even with SCOM and VMM), but they are adequate for this kind of need. Performance, with a properly configured system, shouldn't be an issue, either. -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 08:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V +1 For VMware, they are by far a more robust, flexible , 3rd party +supported, great tools for it. That being said, they aint cheap setup +does require some extra knowledge but don't think more than learning +Hyper-V from scratch It all depends on your requirements, budget, DR planning etc... I've been using Vmware for quite a few years now and it has done well by me, While I dabbled in Hyper-V at the time it didn't compare. You can have a production ready VM host in around 30 minutes provided you have a Server, Network and Storage for it -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
There is a fix that I would have to go looking for again but it used the built-in backup on the host to do the entire machine host and vms all live. I had 6 VM's running on a Dell 2950. Total on box about 1.3 GB and it would take about 2 to 4 hours to do the full image backups and the VMs stayed live. Load tested by accident during working hours and I had no complaints from the users. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare vs Hyper-V
ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V There is a fix that I would have to go looking for again but it used the built-in backup on the host to do the entire machine host and vms all live. I had 6 VM's running on a Dell 2950. Total on box about 1.3 GB and it would take about 2 to 4 hours to do the full image backups and the VMs stayed live. Load tested by accident during working hours and I had no complaints from the users. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare vs Hyper-V
Is wbadmin what you're referring to? http://www.mcbsys.com/techblog/2009/11/setting-up-windows-server-backup-on-hyper-v-server-2008-r2/ On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fix that I would have to go looking for again but it used the built-in backup on the host to do the entire machine host and vms all live. I had 6 VM's running on a Dell 2950. Total on box about 1.3 GB and it would take about 2 to 4 hours to do the full image backups and the VMs stayed live. Load tested by accident during working hours and I had no complaints from the users. Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: We choose Hyper-V because it is an excellent solution for no additional fee. Also, 5 of my 6 servers may have been supported by the free ESXi, but the last one wasn't supported for it's raid, forcing us to look for a different solution. The one thing of Hyper-V I was not thrilled about was their (lack of) built in backup solution. The Windows backup in Server 2008 R2 is okay, I guess... but I do wish there was a better solution. Anybody have a free/inexpensive backup solution that will backup a live Hyper-V VM? I have a server offsite where I want to do a weekly VM image backup for disasters that my file level backup cannot handle. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:47:39 -0700 Subject: VMWare vs Hyper-V Probably a can of worms here but we have not done much virtualization but are about to get into it more. It will be pretty simple virtualization, a couple of big boxes running 4 or 5 virtualized servers each. No cluster failovers or anything like that. We dabbled in VMWare before Hyper-V became mature but now I need to pick one and run with it. I am leaning towards Hyper-V because it is included with our license and so far has been pretty painless in testing. I found VMWare to be confusing with all the different packages, licensing...upgrades and all that. I suspect it provides far more flexibility but not knowing what that flexibility really is concerns me. So thought I would ask the knowledgeable masses here if I am missing anything important. TIA ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
