RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Schaefer 
With SSD, you don't need to pre-provision/used fixed disks - trust me.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 3:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...

Probably not. I'm going to pound on them fairly hard, by which I mean install 
lots of stuff and work on it. FreeBSD, CentOS, Win8, a couple of Server 2012s 
probably, maybe some others.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> Do thin provisioning for them?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> At this point, however, with (at a guess) ~40gb per VM, that gives me 
>> about 6 VMs.
>>
>> For what I aim at doing, that should be sufficient.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>> > If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then 
>> > getting a 512GB would be a waste of money. In another year or two 
>> > they'll be cheaper again and you can re-buy if you need more space 
>> > down the track. However, if you need >256GB now, then I think $350 
>> > is a  bargain for the space & performance you get. I suppose it depends on 
>> > what your time is worth to you.
>> > FWIW I paid about $500 for mine ~15 months ago.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>> >
>> > At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.
>> >
>> > However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer 
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a 
>> >> USB3 enclosure.
>> >>
>> >> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, 
>> >> plus 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my 
>> >> experience. I also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used 
>> >> ISO files
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>> >>
>> >> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new 
>> >> one
>> >>
>> >> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 
>> >> laptop at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 
>> >> Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display 
>> >> (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I 
>> >> know.)
>> >>
>> >> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb 
>> >> drive just isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have 
>> >> gone with the 128gb minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - 
>> >> if you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the 
>> >> laptop case for extra storage?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
Probably not. I'm going to pound on them fairly hard, by which I mean
install lots of stuff and work on it. FreeBSD, CentOS, Win8, a couple
of Server 2012s probably, maybe some others.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> Do thin provisioning for them?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> At this point, however, with (at a guess) ~40gb per VM, that gives me
>> about 6 VMs.
>>
>> For what I aim at doing, that should be sufficient.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>> > If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then getting a
>> > 512GB would be a waste of money. In another year or two they'll be cheaper
>> > again and you can re-buy if you need more space down the track. However, if
>> > you need >256GB now, then I think $350 is a  bargain for the space &
>> > performance you get. I suppose it depends on what your time is worth to 
>> > you.
>> > FWIW I paid about $500 for mine ~15 months ago.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>> >
>> > At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.
>> >
>> > However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer 
>> > wrote:
>> >> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3
>> >> enclosure.
>> >>
>> >> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus
>> >> 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I
>> >> also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>> >>
>> >> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>> >>
>> >> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
>> >> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb
>> >> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a
>> >> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
>> >>
>> >> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
>> >> just isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the
>> >> 128gb minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
>> >> you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case
>> >> for extra storage?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >
>> >
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Webster  wrote:
>> Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.
>
> Nope, when I did the RMA request and typed in my serial #, the
> site told me the warranty had expired.

  That's the case if you don't have proof of purchase.  Still have the
receipt?  Then it's from date of purchase.

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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Jon Harris 

I went with a eSATA that I put together from parts.  My E6520 does not support 
USBv3. Jon
 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:36:55 -0800
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
> From: kurt.b...@gmail.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> 
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
> 
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb
> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a
> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
> 
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
> just isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with
> the 128gb minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
> 
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
> you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop
> case for extra storage?
> 
> Kurt
> 
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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Schaefer 
+1 - VHD/VMDK file fragmentation isn't really an issue once you go SSD.

I'm finding that most of my testing VMs are around 10-15 GB in size

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...

Do thin provisioning for them?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Agreed.

At this point, however, with (at a guess) ~40gb per VM, that gives me
about 6 VMs.

For what I aim at doing, that should be sufficient.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
> If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then getting a 
> 512GB would be a waste of money. In another year or two they'll be cheaper 
> again and you can re-buy if you need more space down the track. However, if 
> you need >256GB now, then I think $350 is a  bargain for the space & 
> performance you get. I suppose it depends on what your time is worth to you. 
> FWIW I paid about $500 for mine ~15 months ago.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.
>
> However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
>> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3 
>> enclosure.
>>
>> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus
>> 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I
>> also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>>
>> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>>
>> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
>> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb
>> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a
>> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
>>
>> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
>> isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb 
>> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>>
>> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you 
>> had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for 
>> extra storage?
>>
>> Kurt




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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Steven Peck 
Do thin provisioning for them?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> At this point, however, with (at a guess) ~40gb per VM, that gives me
> about 6 VMs.
>
> For what I aim at doing, that should be sufficient.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
> > If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then getting a
> 512GB would be a waste of money. In another year or two they'll be cheaper
> again and you can re-buy if you need more space down the track. However, if
> you need >256GB now, then I think $350 is a  bargain for the space &
> performance you get. I suppose it depends on what your time is worth to
> you. FWIW I paid about $500 for mine ~15 months ago.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...
> >
> > At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.
> >
> > However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
> >> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3
> enclosure.
> >>
> >> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus
> >> 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I
> >> also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
> >>
> >> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
> >>
> >> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
> >> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb
> >> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a
> >> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
> >>
> >> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
> just isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the
> 128gb minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
> >>
> >> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
> you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case
> for extra storage?
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >
> >
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
Agreed.

At this point, however, with (at a guess) ~40gb per VM, that gives me
about 6 VMs.

For what I aim at doing, that should be sufficient.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then getting a 
> 512GB would be a waste of money. In another year or two they'll be cheaper 
> again and you can re-buy if you need more space down the track. However, if 
> you need >256GB now, then I think $350 is a  bargain for the space & 
> performance you get. I suppose it depends on what your time is worth to you. 
> FWIW I paid about $500 for mine ~15 months ago.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.
>
> However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3 
>> enclosure.
>>
>> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus
>> 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I
>> also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>>
>> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>>
>> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
>> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb
>> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a
>> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
>>
>> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
>> isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb 
>> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>>
>> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you 
>> had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for 
>> extra storage?
>>
>> Kurt
>
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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Schaefer 
If you think you can fit all your VMs onto a 256GB drive, then getting a 512GB 
would be a waste of money. In another year or two they'll be cheaper again and 
you can re-buy if you need more space down the track. However, if you need 
>256GB now, then I think $350 is a  bargain for the space & performance you 
get. I suppose it depends on what your time is worth to you. FWIW I paid about 
$500 for mine ~15 months ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...

At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.

However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3 enclosure.
>
> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus 
> 256GB internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I 
> also have a 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop 
> at a really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb 
> RAM and an ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 
> 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale still going as far as I know.)
>
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb 
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had 
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra 
> storage?
>
> Kurt


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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
At $350 and up, I think that's a little spendy.

However, the 256gb versions might well fit in my budget.

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3 enclosure.
>
> I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus 256GB 
> internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I also have a 
> 128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
> really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an 
> ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - 
> sale still going as far as I know.)
>
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb 
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had 
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra 
> storage?
>
> Kurt
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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Schaefer 
USB3.0 - it is bus powered. Get a 512GB SSD, and put it into a USB3 enclosure. 

I have the Crucial M4 512GB - they can be had for a good price, plus 256GB 
internal SSD. Gives plenty of space for VMs in my experience. I also have a 
128GB SD card for storing commonly used ISO files

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Webster's question is very timely...

I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one

Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI 
Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale 
still going as far as I know.)

Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just isn't 
big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb minicard 
and a 1tb hard drive.

So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had 
the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra 
storage?

Kurt

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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread David 
+1TB
On Feb 28, 2013 12:55 PM, "Steve Ens"  wrote:

> Ditto.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Kennedy, Jim <
> kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> wrote:
>
>>  Call them, give them heck.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> “How Long Does The Coverage Last? Our warranty periods are 1 year, 2
>> years, 3 years or 5 years *from the documented date of purchase*,
>> depending on the type of product and where it was purchased.”
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>> http://www.seagate.com/support/warranty-and-replacements/limited-consumer-warranty/
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Webster's question is very timely...
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Nope, when I did the RMA request and typed in my serial #, the site told
>> me the warranty had expired.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Webster
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Graeme Carstairs [mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:51 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 28 February 2013, Webster wrote:
>>
>> I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!
>>  The warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax
>> too long.  That sucks.
>>
>> It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop
>> (that I had at the time).
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Webster
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>> >
>> > I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>> >
>> > Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop
>> at a really
>> > good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
>> > Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 -
>> sale
>> > still going as far as I know.)
>> >
>> > Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
>> just isn't
>> > big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
>> > minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>> >
>> > So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
>> you had
>> > the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for
>> extra
>> > storage?
>>
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Steve Ens 
Ditto.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  Call them, give them heck.
>
> ** **
>
> “How Long Does The Coverage Last? Our warranty periods are 1 year, 2
> years, 3 years or 5 years *from the documented date of purchase*,
> depending on the type of product and where it was purchased.”
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.seagate.com/support/warranty-and-replacements/limited-consumer-warranty/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:31 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Webster's question is very timely...
>
>  ** **
>
> Nope, when I did the RMA request and typed in my serial #, the site told
> me the warranty had expired.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Webster
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Graeme Carstairs [mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:51 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> ** **
>
> Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 28 February 2013, Webster wrote:
>
> I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!
>  The warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax
> too long.  That sucks.
>
> It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop
> (that I had at the time).
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Webster
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
> >
> > I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
> >
> > Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at
> a really
> > good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
> > Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 -
> sale
> > still going as far as I know.)
> >
> > Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
> just isn't
> > big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
> > minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
> >
> > So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
> you had
> > the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for
> extra
> > storage?
>
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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
Call them, give them heck.

"How Long Does The Coverage Last? Our warranty periods are 1 year, 2 years, 3 
years or 5 years from the documented date of purchase, depending on the type of 
product and where it was purchased."

http://www.seagate.com/support/warranty-and-replacements/limited-consumer-warranty/


From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Webster's question is very timely...

Nope, when I did the RMA request and typed in my serial #, the site told me the 
warranty had expired.

Thanks


Webster

From: Graeme Carstairs 
[mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...

Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.



On Thursday, 28 February 2013, Webster wrote:
I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!  The 
warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax too long.  
That sucks.

It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop (that 
I had at the time).

Thanks


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
> really
> good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
> Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale
> still going as far as I know.)
>
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't
> big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra
> storage?

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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Webster 
Nope, when I did the RMA request and typed in my serial #, the site told me the 
warranty had expired.

Thanks


Webster

From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Webster's question is very timely...

Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.



On Thursday, 28 February 2013, Webster wrote:
I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!  The 
warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax too long.  
That sucks.

It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop (that 
I had at the time).

Thanks


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
> really
> good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
> Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale
> still going as far as I know.)
>
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't
> big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra
> storage?

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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
>> you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop
>> case for extra storage?
>
>   I'd go with eSATA if available.  I expect any USB3 drive on the
> market today is using a USB-to-SATA bridge internally.  By eliminating
> that, you eliminate a point-of-failure, and possibly increase
> performance as well (even the best logic is going to be slower than a
> straight wire).
>
> -- Ben

I like fewer points of failure, but if in real world circumstances the
throughput difference is negligible, then it's down to pluggability
vs. reliability.

I think reliability is going to be more brand-specific, too.

I wonder if there's any real price difference.

Time to do a little research on that front.

Kurt

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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
That's a good thought - pluggability is somewhat important.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> USB3.0 as it will plug into more things . I have found USB 3.0 will transfer 
> the same speed as my eSATA (ie. from SATA --> USB 3.0 is as fast as SATA --> 
> eSATA, or roughly 80-110MB/s).
>
> USB 3.0 truly rocks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
> really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an 
> ATI Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - 
> sale still going as far as I know.)
>
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb 
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had 
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra 
> storage?
>
> Kurt
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Kurt Buff 
Well, following your thread I've already been warned off of Seagate,
so that shouldn't bite me...

Kurt

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Webster  wrote:
> I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!  
> The warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax too 
> long.  That sucks.
>
> It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop 
> (that I had at the time).
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Webster
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
>>
>> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
>>
>> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
>> really
>> good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
>> Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale
>> still going as far as I know.)
>>
>> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
>> isn't
>> big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
>> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
>>
>> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had
>> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra
>> storage?
>
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Graeme Carstairs 
Your warranty should start at time of purchase with receipt for proof.



On Thursday, 28 February 2013, Webster wrote:

> I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!
>  The warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax
> too long.  That sucks.
>
> It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop
> (that I had at the time).
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Webster
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com ]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
> >
> > I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
> >
> > Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at
> a really
> > good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
> > Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 -
> sale
> > still going as far as I know.)
> >
> > Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive
> just isn't
> > big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
> > minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
> >
> > So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
> you had
> > the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for
> extra
> > storage?
>
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Re: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if
> you had the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop
> case for extra storage?

  I'd go with eSATA if available.  I expect any USB3 drive on the
market today is using a USB-to-SATA bridge internally.  By eliminating
that, you eliminate a point-of-failure, and possibly increase
performance as well (even the best logic is going to be slower than a
straight wire).

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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread David Lum 
USB3.0 as it will plug into more things . I have found USB 3.0 will transfer 
the same speed as my eSATA (ie. from SATA --> USB 3.0 is as fast as SATA --> 
eSATA, or roughly 80-110MB/s).

USB 3.0 truly rocks.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Webster's question is very timely...

I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one

Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
really good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI 
Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale 
still going as far as I know.)

Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just isn't 
big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb minicard 
and a 1tb hard drive.

So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had 
the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra 
storage?

Kurt

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RE: Webster's question is very timely...

2013-02-28 Thread Webster 
I had a Seagate external eSata drive but it died 3 months after I got it!  The 
warrant had already expired because it sat on the shelf at OfficeMax too long.  
That sucks.

It was a 2TB drive and I used it for storing my VMs off of my Win7 laptop (that 
I had at the time).

Thanks


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Webster's question is very timely...
> 
> I didn't want to drag his thread off topic, so I'm starting a new one
> 
> Not to brag (much), but I just picked up a Dell Precision 4600 laptop at a 
> really
> good price - it's a quad-core machine with Win7 Pro, 16gb RAM and an ATI
> Firepro video card, 1920x1080 display (15.6") and a 256gb SSD. ($1600 - sale
> still going as far as I know.)
> 
> Problem is, I'm pretty sure I made a small mistake. That 256gb drive just 
> isn't
> big enough to hold the VMs I want. I should have gone with the 128gb
> minicard and a 1tb hard drive.
> 
> So, I'm also looking for an external drive, either USB3 or eSATA - if you had
> the choice, which would you choose for putting in the laptop case for extra
> storage?

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