Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

That's very nice. Thanks.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:20, Eldridge, Dave  wrote:
> Mine is. I moved our ts licensing from an 03 to 08 to do just this.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: TS licensing question
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> Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
>  wrote:
>> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
>> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
>> - the money just isn't there for it.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>>
>>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>>
>>> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>>> correct?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Phil Brutsche
>>> p...@optimumdata.com
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RE: TS licensing question

[Eldridge, Dave]

Mine is. I moved our ts licensing from an 03 to 08 to do just this.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS licensing question

Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>
>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>
>> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>>
>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>> correct?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Brutsche
>> p...@optimumdata.com
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>
>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>
>> Kurt Buff wrote:
 #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
 overall CAL scheme.
>>>
>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>> correct?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Brutsche
>> p...@optimumdata.com
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Probably user CALs, unless there's some compelling reason otherwise.

I anticipate the largest set of users will be people who are using our
Sonciwall SSL VPN remotely.

Kurt

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 02:40, Dean Cunningham
 wrote:
> Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device CALS
>  as was with the 2003 CALS?
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
>> - the money just isn't there for it.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> > In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> > your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>> >
>> > Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> > over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>> >
>> > Kurt Buff wrote:
>> >>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into
>> >>> your
>> >>> overall CAL scheme.
>> >>
>> >> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> >> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> >> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Phil Brutsche
>> > p...@optimumdata.com
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
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Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

Yes

On 2/21/2010 4:40 AM, Dean Cunningham wrote:
> Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device
> CALS  as was with the 2003 CALS?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

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RE: TS licensing question

[Miller Bonnie L .]

I didn't see it mentioned, but don't forget you'll need to run a 2008 TS 
Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs-they won't install on 2003.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
- the money just isn't there for it.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche 
mailto:p...@optimumdata.com>> wrote:
> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>
> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>
> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>
>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> correct?
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: TS licensing question

[Dean Cunningham]

Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device CALS
 as was with the 2003 CALS?

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> > In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> > your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
> >
> > Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> > over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
> >
> > Kurt Buff wrote:
> >>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into
> your
> >>> overall CAL scheme.
> >>
> >> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
> >> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
> >> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
> >> correct?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phil Brutsche
> > p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
- the money just isn't there for it.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>
> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>
> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>
>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> correct?
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.

Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.

Kurt Buff wrote:
>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>> overall CAL scheme.
> 
> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
> correct?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> #1 - Those part numbers are specific to the reseller you're talking to.
> Strip off the "MBL-" and you will get Microsoft's SKUs.

That's good to know. Thanks - I wondered why my google searches
weren't working the way I expected.

> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
> overall CAL scheme.

At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
correct?

> My experience is that terminal servers work fine in ESX.

That's the way the current TS machine is running, and several of my
Win2k3 R2 servers, too. Thanks for the confirmation on Win2k8.


Thanks,

Kurt

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Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

#1 - Those part numbers are specific to the reseller you're talking to.
Strip off the "MBL-" and you will get Microsoft's SKUs.

#2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
overall CAL scheme.

My experience is that terminal servers work fine in ESX.

Kurt Buff wrote:
> All,
> 
> We're currently a Win2k3 R2 shop, and I need to retire a Win2k TS server.
> 
> I've gotten a quote for a new Win2k8 OS and client licenses.
> 
> The specific MSFT part numbers quoted are:
> 
> MBL-P73-04982 - OS Win2k8 R2
> MBL-R18-02709 - User CAL
> MBL-6VC-01164 - Remote Desktop Services CAL
> 
> These are all under Open License.
> 
> I'd just like to verify that these part numbers are what I need, and
> all I need, to make this happen.
> 
> Does this square with your experience?
> 
> Further info: I'm likely to virtualize this setup on our ESX server,
> if that makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


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