RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
Yeah, we don't have any issue with images made on the business class range of stuff you mentioned. However, for true DR orientated solution I do feel you need to have something that can work on more than a 'small range' of IO controllers. You need something that will install on that duff old workstation that the director has sat in his home-office; if the office burns down that may be all you have at short notice until your replacement order turns up a few days later. -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 September 2008 18:57 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware Would a sanitized sysprep.inf help? (no product code, domain, password to join domain, etc) http://www.optimumdata.net/phil/sysprep.inf Testing it is nice and all, but if you consider that most business class (Dell OptiPlex or the equivalent Lenovo or HP) and professional-class (Dell Precision or similar) desktops use a very, very small combination of storage controllers I don't think you have much to worry about - once it works on a Dell OptiPlex configured for AHCI and non-AHCI SATA, it'll work on almost anything with an Intel SATA chipset. I can use (and have used!) the exact same image on Dell, HP and Lenovo desktops and only have to worry about the audio drivers. Oliver Marshall wrote: If you get an answer to this I'd love to know. We can get around it by installing the drivers for a standard IO card (say an adaptec scsi/sas and an adaptec sata raid controller) before doing the DR images. However, that assumes that we a) have the replacement raid card handy come the restoration time and also that we don't need to restore to some other hardware. Being able to restore to something totally dissimilar would be great. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
if the office burns down that may be all you have at short notice until your replacement order turns up a few days later. Na, we have 100 workstations at a DR center on contract. We need 15 minutes lead time. -Original Message- From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware Yeah, we don't have any issue with images made on the business class range of stuff you mentioned. However, for true DR orientated solution I do feel you need to have something that can work on more than a 'small range' of IO controllers. You need something that will install on that duff old workstation that the director has sat in his home-office; if the office burns down that may be all you have at short notice until your replacement order turns up a few days later. -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 September 2008 18:57 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware Would a sanitized sysprep.inf help? (no product code, domain, password to join domain, etc) http://www.optimumdata.net/phil/sysprep.inf Testing it is nice and all, but if you consider that most business class (Dell OptiPlex or the equivalent Lenovo or HP) and professional-class (Dell Precision or similar) desktops use a very, very small combination of storage controllers I don't think you have much to worry about - once it works on a Dell OptiPlex configured for AHCI and non-AHCI SATA, it'll work on almost anything with an Intel SATA chipset. I can use (and have used!) the exact same image on Dell, HP and Lenovo desktops and only have to worry about the audio drivers. Oliver Marshall wrote: If you get an answer to this I'd love to know. We can get around it by installing the drivers for a standard IO card (say an adaptec scsi/sas and an adaptec sata raid controller) before doing the DR images. However, that assumes that we a) have the replacement raid card handy come the restoration time and also that we don't need to restore to some other hardware. Being able to restore to something totally dissimilar would be great. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
I you take a close look at the sysprep.inf it'll work with almost any SCSI or SATA/IDE controller natively supported by Windows XP, as well as almost any Adaptec or Symbios Logic/LSI Logic SCSI HBA. I've also added in Adaptec and LSI Logic SAS HBAs. It would have to be some pretty weird crap for my image to not work on it. Of course, you could just as easily as store some new-in-box workstations of your choice at the director's office (or some other off-site location) as part of your DR planning :) Oliver Marshall wrote: Yeah, we don't have any issue with images made on the business class range of stuff you mentioned. However, for true DR orientated solution I do feel you need to have something that can work on more than a 'small range' of IO controllers. You need something that will install on that duff old workstation that the director has sat in his home-office; if the office burns down that may be all you have at short notice until your replacement order turns up a few days later. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
My first guess would be to restore to the HP, then see if the HP will boot into Safe Mode. If so, have video and NIC drivers handy to install to it. -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/15/2008 10:19:48 AM: I have a DR test coming soon, and our DR center just swapped on the old Dell OptiPlex GX280's to new Dual Core HP PCs. I already have an very custom ghost image of the Dell OptiPlex GX280 that would like to deploy onto their new HPs, if possible. (I have limited time in their DR center, I don't want to spend it making another image - and I don't have time to go buy a HP unit). I'm pretty familiar with restoring to dissimilar hardware/bare metal restores when it comes to servers, but not so much on XP/Desktops. Is there a way I can inject some drivers into the image? Like I said, I don't have an HP at my site, but I do have an OptiPlex GX280 Or perhaps I could install a base XP on the HP when I am onsite, and then use BackupExec to restore the XP image on top of that, (And not overwrite the hardware profile). Ideas?I little OT, but the list seems pretty quite lately :) Thanks, Sam (Sorry, resending. I originally sent this when the list was down). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
I have a DR test coming soon, and our DR center just swapped on the old Dell OptiPlex GX280's to new Dual Core HP PCs. I already have an very custom ghost image of the Dell OptiPlex GX280 that would like to deploy onto their new HPs, if possible. (I have limited time in their DR center, I don't want to spend it making another image - and I don't have time to go buy a HP unit). I'm pretty familiar with restoring to dissimilar hardware/bare metal restores when it comes to servers, but not so much on XP/Desktops. Is there a way I can inject some drivers into the image? Like I said, I don't have an HP at my site, but I do have an OptiPlex GX280 Or perhaps I could install a base XP on the HP when I am onsite, and then use BackupExec to restore the XP image on top of that, (And not overwrite the hardware profile). Ideas?I little OT, but the list seems pretty quite lately :) Thanks, Sam (Sorry, resending. I originally sent this when the list was down). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
Would it even boot at all? The HALs are way different. It is a syspreped image though, that get's my around a lot of that, right? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware My first guess would be to restore to the HP, then see if the HP will boot into Safe Mode. If so, have video and NIC drivers handy to install to it. -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/15/2008 10:19:48 AM: I have a DR test coming soon, and our DR center just swapped on the old Dell OptiPlex GX280's to new Dual Core HP PCs. I already have an very custom ghost image of the Dell OptiPlex GX280 that would like to deploy onto their new HPs, if possible. (I have limited time in their DR center, I don't want to spend it making another image - and I don't have time to go buy a HP unit). I'm pretty familiar with restoring to dissimilar hardware/bare metal restores when it comes to servers, but not so much on XP/Desktops. Is there a way I can inject some drivers into the image? Like I said, I don't have an HP at my site, but I do have an OptiPlex GX280 Or perhaps I could install a base XP on the HP when I am onsite, and then use BackupExec to restore the XP image on top of that, (And not overwrite the hardware profile). Ideas?I little OT, but the list seems pretty quite lately :) Thanks, Sam (Sorry, resending. I originally sent this when the list was down). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
It's not the HALs you need to worry about, it's the storage drivers. The images will boot far enough to blue screen with STOP code 0x7B (aka INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE). If you can get the storage drivers squared away they'll most definitely boot - I know this 'cause I have a universal XP SP3 ghost image that will Just Work (except for things like audio) on the machines in question. Sam Cayze wrote: Would it even boot at all? The HALs are way different. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
If you get an answer to this I'd love to know. We can get around it by installing the drivers for a standard IO card (say an adaptec scsi/sas and an adaptec sata raid controller) before doing the DR images. However, that assumes that we a) have the replacement raid card handy come the restoration time and also that we don't need to restore to some other hardware. Being able to restore to something totally dissimilar would be great. -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 September 2008 17:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware It's not the HALs you need to worry about, it's the storage drivers. The images will boot far enough to blue screen with STOP code 0x7B (aka INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE). If you can get the storage drivers squared away they'll most definitely boot - I know this 'cause I have a universal XP SP3 ghost image that will Just Work (except for things like audio) on the machines in question. Sam Cayze wrote: Would it even boot at all? The HALs are way different. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
Ah, good call. Especially since I'm going from IDE to SATA/AHCI -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware It's not the HALs you need to worry about, it's the storage drivers. The images will boot far enough to blue screen with STOP code 0x7B (aka INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE). If you can get the storage drivers squared away they'll most definitely boot - I know this 'cause I have a universal XP SP3 ghost image that will Just Work (except for things like audio) on the machines in question. Sam Cayze wrote: Would it even boot at all? The HALs are way different. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
Would a sanitized sysprep.inf help? (no product code, domain, password to join domain, etc) http://www.optimumdata.net/phil/sysprep.inf Testing it is nice and all, but if you consider that most business class (Dell OptiPlex or the equivalent Lenovo or HP) and professional-class (Dell Precision or similar) desktops use a very, very small combination of storage controllers I don't think you have much to worry about - once it works on a Dell OptiPlex configured for AHCI and non-AHCI SATA, it'll work on almost anything with an Intel SATA chipset. I can use (and have used!) the exact same image on Dell, HP and Lenovo desktops and only have to worry about the audio drivers. Oliver Marshall wrote: If you get an answer to this I'd love to know. We can get around it by installing the drivers for a standard IO card (say an adaptec scsi/sas and an adaptec sata raid controller) before doing the DR images. However, that assumes that we a) have the replacement raid card handy come the restoration time and also that we don't need to restore to some other hardware. Being able to restore to something totally dissimilar would be great. -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
The way did it back when I worked at a computer shop was; change the xp atapi controllers to standard dual channel ide controller ( I just do it for all of them - some computers have more than 1) then clone set new pc bios' ide/sata controllers into legacy mode before trying to boot almost always boots or at least allows safe mode uninstall drivers, then install drivers if the above didn't boot, then did an xp repair install I got the info from http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/07/09/move-windows-xp-hard-drive-or-change-motherboard-without-getting-blue-screen-of-death/ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware I have a DR test coming soon, and our DR center just swapped on the old Dell OptiPlex GX280's to new Dual Core HP PCs. I already have an very custom ghost image of the Dell OptiPlex GX280 that would like to deploy onto their new HPs, if possible. (I have limited time in their DR center, I don't want to spend it making another image - and I don't have time to go buy a HP unit). I'm pretty familiar with restoring to dissimilar hardware/bare metal restores when it comes to servers, but not so much on XP/Desktops. Is there a way I can inject some drivers into the image? Like I said, I don't have an HP at my site, but I do have an OptiPlex GX280 Or perhaps I could install a base XP on the HP when I am onsite, and then use BackupExec to restore the XP image on top of that, (And not overwrite the hardware profile). Ideas?I little OT, but the list seems pretty quite lately :) Thanks, Sam ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Restore an XP Image to dissimilar hardware
I have a DR test coming soon, and our DR center just swapped on the old Dell OptiPlex GX280's to new Dual Core HP PCs. I already have an very custom ghost image of the Dell OptiPlex GX280 that would like to deploy onto their new HPs, if possible. (I have limited time in their DR center, I don't want to spend it making another image - and I don't have time to go buy a HP unit). I'm pretty familiar with restoring to dissimilar hardware/bare metal restores when it comes to servers, but not so much on XP/Desktops. Is there a way I can inject some drivers into the image? Like I said, I don't have an HP at my site, but I do have an OptiPlex GX280 Or perhaps I could install a base XP on the HP when I am onsite, and then use BackupExec to restore the XP image on top of that, (And not overwrite the hardware profile). Ideas?I little OT, but the list seems pretty quite lately :) Thanks, Sam ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
