Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Kim Longenbaugh
 wrote:
> Even if you could get cooperation from whatever level of ISP was required,
> the odds of the IP address remaining the same as what it was when the laptop
> was stolen are slim to none, and slim left town a long time ago.

  The IP address won't be the same, but it's not unheard of for a
stolen laptop to show up on the Internet and report in to the
mothership with the same VPN/managed antivirus/whatever that corporate
IT deployed.

  People dealing in stolen laptops are often not computer savvy
(shocking).  So the thieves ignore the contents of the hard drive.
They
just swipe the shinny flat thing and sell it to a fence or pawn shop,
who again ignores the software load.  Then someone buys the
obviously-hot laptop.  They plug it in and power it up and scratch
their head about the password prompt.  (Unless the corporate luser
wrote the password down on the keyboard or whatever).  It then takes
them a little while to convince their friend who's "good with
computers" to crack the SAM and/or blow away the install with a new
OS.

  Certainly, a firmware-based solution like Computrace would be a hell
of a lot more reliable.  :)

-- Ben

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RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Kim Longenbaugh 
Even if you could get cooperation from whatever level of ISP was required, the 
odds of the IP address remaining the same as what it was when the laptop was 
stolen are slim to none, and slim left town a long time ago.

As others have mentioned, a hardware-based "lojack" type of tracking is the 
best bet.

From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the internet?


Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
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RE: RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Ziots, Edward 
Yes we have before.

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

 

Hey Z - curioushave you ever had to have one traced? I've used the
software, but never had one stolen since I started using it.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Mar 4, 2011 8:24 AM, "Ziots, Edward"  wrote:
> I agree, been using this for a while. Works pretty well. 
> 
> 
> 
> Z
> 
> 
> 
> Edward E. Ziots
> 
> CISSP, Network +, Security +
> 
> Network Engineer
> 
> Lifespan Organization
> 
> Email:ezi...@lifespan.org <mailto:email%3aezi...@lifespan.org> 
> 
> Cell:401-639-3505
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
> 
> 
> 
> One word.. Computrace. If you only have a couple of devices you
want
> to track, then go with their LoJack product. If you need to protect
many
> devices, then go with Computrace Complete, as it gives you a single
> point of administration.
> 
> Yes, what you ask is possible, IF you can get cooperation from the ISP
> and governmental authorities who have jurisdiction, and IF you can
> obtain the IP address of the device.
> 
> My question is, how on earth would you get the IP without a product
such
> as. Computrace (which permanently hooks into the BIOS), especially if
> the hard drive is obliterated?
> 
> Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
> 
> Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on
the
> Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
> 
> On Mar 3, 2011 8:37 PM, "Gene Giannamore"
>  wrote:
>> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the
> internet?
>> 
>> 
>> Gene Giannamore
>> Abide International Inc.
>> Technical Support
>> 561 1st Street West
>> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>> (707) 935-1577 Office
>> (707) 935-9387 Fax
>> (707) 766-4185 Cell
>>
>
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:Gene.Giannamore@abideinter
> national.com>
>> www.abideinternational.com
>> 
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Re: RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Daniel Rodriguez 
Well, then, it must be working. ;)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jonathan  wrote:

> Hey Z - curioushave you ever had to have one traced? I've used the
> software, but never had one stolen since I started using it.
>
> Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
>
> Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
> Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
>
> On Mar 4, 2011 8:24 AM, "Ziots, Edward"  wrote:
> > I agree, been using this for a while. Works pretty well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Z
> >
> >
> >
> > Edward E. Ziots
> >
> > CISSP, Network +, Security +
> >
> > Network Engineer
> >
> > Lifespan Organization
> >
> > Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
> >
> > Cell:401-639-3505
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
> >
> >
> >
> > One word.. Computrace. If you only have a couple of devices you want
> > to track, then go with their LoJack product. If you need to protect many
> > devices, then go with Computrace Complete, as it gives you a single
> > point of administration.
> >
> > Yes, what you ask is possible, IF you can get cooperation from the ISP
> > and governmental authorities who have jurisdiction, and IF you can
> > obtain the IP address of the device.
> >
> > My question is, how on earth would you get the IP without a product such
> > as. Computrace (which permanently hooks into the BIOS), especially if
> > the hard drive is obliterated?
> >
> > Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
> >
> > Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
> > Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2011 8:37 PM, "Gene Giannamore"
> >  wrote:
> >> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the
> > internet?
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene Giannamore
> >> Abide International Inc.
> >> Technical Support
> >> 561 1st Street West
> >> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> >> (707) 935-1577 Office
> >> (707) 935-9387 Fax
> >> (707) 766-4185 Cell
> >>
> > gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:Gene.Giannamore@abideinter
> > national.com>
> >> www.abideinternational.com
> >>
> >>
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Re: RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Jonathan 
Hey Z - curioushave you ever had to have one traced? I've used the
software, but never had one stolen since I started using it.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Mar 4, 2011 8:24 AM, "Ziots, Edward"  wrote:
> I agree, been using this for a while. Works pretty well.
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
> Edward E. Ziots
>
> CISSP, Network +, Security +
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
>
> Cell:401-639-3505
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
>
>
>
> One word.. Computrace. If you only have a couple of devices you want
> to track, then go with their LoJack product. If you need to protect many
> devices, then go with Computrace Complete, as it gives you a single
> point of administration.
>
> Yes, what you ask is possible, IF you can get cooperation from the ISP
> and governmental authorities who have jurisdiction, and IF you can
> obtain the IP address of the device.
>
> My question is, how on earth would you get the IP without a product such
> as. Computrace (which permanently hooks into the BIOS), especially if
> the hard drive is obliterated?
>
> Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
>
> Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
> Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
>
> On Mar 3, 2011 8:37 PM, "Gene Giannamore"
>  wrote:
>> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the
> internet?
>>
>>
>> Gene Giannamore
>> Abide International Inc.
>> Technical Support
>> 561 1st Street West
>> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>> (707) 935-1577 Office
>> (707) 935-9387 Fax
>> (707) 766-4185 Cell
>>
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:Gene.Giannamore@abideinter
> national.com>
>> www.abideinternational.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>
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RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Ziots, Edward 
I agree, been using this for a while. Works pretty well. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

 

One word.. Computrace. If you only have a couple of devices you want
to track, then go with their LoJack product. If you need to protect many
devices, then go with Computrace Complete, as it gives you a single
point of administration.

Yes, what you ask is possible, IF you can get cooperation from the ISP
and governmental authorities who have jurisdiction, and IF you can
obtain the IP address of the device.

My question is, how on earth would you get the IP without a product such
as. Computrace (which permanently hooks into the BIOS), especially if
the hard drive is obliterated?

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Mar 3, 2011 8:37 PM, "Gene Giannamore"
 wrote:
> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the
internet?
> 
> 
> Gene Giannamore
> Abide International Inc.
> Technical Support
> 561 1st Street West
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> (707) 935-1577 Office
> (707) 935-9387 Fax
> (707) 766-4185 Cell
>
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:Gene.Giannamore@abideinter
national.com>
> www.abideinternational.com
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Jonathan 
One word.. Computrace. If you only have a couple of devices you want to
track, then go with their LoJack product. If you need to protect many
devices, then go with Computrace Complete, as it gives you a single point of
administration.

Yes, what you ask is possible, IF you can get cooperation from the ISP and
governmental authorities who have jurisdiction, and IF you can obtain the IP
address of the device.

My question is, how on earth would you get the IP without a product such as.
Computrace (which permanently hooks into the BIOS), especially if the hard
drive is obliterated?

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Mar 3, 2011 8:37 PM, "Gene Giannamore" <
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the
internet?
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
> Abide International Inc.
> Technical Support
> 561 1st Street West
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> (707) 935-1577 Office
> (707) 935-9387 Fax
> (707) 766-4185 Cell
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
> www.abideinternational.com
>
>
>
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Harry Singh 
I believe Computrace Lojack for Laptops is hardware based but I can't
remember, it's been a while since I've been on the purchasing side.

On Friday, March 4, 2011, Miguel Gonzalez  wrote:
> If it's a Del, they have a program to track stolen items. If you recall the 
> service tag, you can report is as stolen so if anyone calls to get support, 
> they get caught.
>
> There are some websites where you can report a serial number as stolen. I'd 
> call any pawn shop in the city
>
> Miguel
>
> --- El jue, 3/3/11, Micheal Espinola Jr  escribió:
>
> De: Micheal Espinola Jr 
> Asunto: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: jueves, 3 de marzo, 2011 22:23
>
> Any software installed can be defeated.  However, some vendors do have 
> hardware-based
>  tracking.
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, MMF 
> http://mc/compose?to=mmfree...@ameritech.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>
> I realize this is locking the barn after the horses have escaped, but I heard 
> about a product called Laptoplock, that can be installed on a laptop 
> computer. Anyone know anything about it?
>
>
>
> Murray
>
>
> From: Ben Scott 
> [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=mailvor...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:03 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> http://mc/compose?to=drod...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since
>> the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
>> manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
>> the Internet.
>
>   MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If
> they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
> will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
> only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't
> think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
> their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
> cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Miguel Gonzalez 
If it's a Del, they have a program to track stolen items. If you recall the 
service tag, you can report is as stolen so if anyone calls to get support, 
they get caught.

There are some websites where you can report a serial number as stolen. I'd 
call any pawn shop in the city

Miguel

--- El jue, 3/3/11, Micheal Espinola Jr  escribió:

De: Micheal Espinola Jr 
Asunto: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: jueves, 3 de marzo, 2011 22:23

Any software installed can be defeated.  However, some vendors do have 
hardware-based tracking.

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, MMF  wrote:



I realize this is locking the barn after the horses have escaped, but I heard 
about a product called Laptoplock, that can be installed on a laptop computer. 
Anyone know anything about it? 


 
Murray



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Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)




On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:
> I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since


> the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> the Internet.

  MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If


they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't


think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.

-- Ben


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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-04 Thread Rene de Haas 
+1 on the MAC address.

Also, why would the IP address stay the same as it was in your company?
Depending on where you log on you get a new one from DHCP or it needs to be
changed if it's fixed.

Rene

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> > I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop.
> Since
> > the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> > manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> > the Internet.
>
>   MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If
> they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
> will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
> only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't
> think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
> their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
> cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
The practical answer is no.

This is potentially a less emphatic NO under IPv6.


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gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:

> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
> internet?
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Any software installed can be defeated.  However, some vendors do have
hardware-based tracking.

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, MMF  wrote:

>  I realize this is locking the barn after the horses have escaped, but I
> heard about a product called Laptoplock, that can be installed on a laptop
> computer. Anyone know anything about it?
>
> Murray
>
>  --
> *From:* Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:03 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
>
>  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> > I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop.
> Since
> > the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> > manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> > the Internet.
>
>   MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If
> they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
> will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
> only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't
> think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
> their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
> cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread MMF 
I realize this is locking the barn after the horses have escaped, but I
heard about a product called Laptoplock, that can be installed on a laptop
computer. Anyone know anything about it? 
 
Murray

  _  

From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:
> I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since
> the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> the Internet.

  MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If
they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't
think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.

-- Ben

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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Roger Wright 
There are a handful of free utilities to facilitate this:

http://adeona.cs.washington.edu/
http://www.locatemylaptop.com

I've played with them but have never tested the recovery process.


Roger Wright
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
> internet?
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
>
> Abide International Inc.
>
> Technical Support
>
> 561 1st Street West
>
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>
> (707) 935-1577    Office
>
> (707) 935-9387    Fax
>
> (707) 766-4185    Cell
>
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
>
> www.abideinternational.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:
> I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since
> the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> the Internet.

  MAC addresses are not propagated past the local IP network.  If
they're connected via a local router or other such device, the ISP
will never even see the MAC address.  Even if they directly connect,
only the ISP's edge router is going to see the MAC address.  I don't
think most ISPs are prepared to search for a MAC address anywhere on
their network.  Even if they were, you would have to have the
cooperation of every ISP on the Internet to find it.

-- Ben

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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Those are all excellent points.  If you take into account the abilities of
the theif/user, the MAC could also be spoofed.

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:

> I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since
> the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
> manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
> the Internet. But Micheal is right, you probably would need a Level 1 ISP to
> help you see if that laptop shows up by putting a 'sniffer' on the Net. The
> 'theft-tracking' software would also help. The company who puts out that
> software would keep track of the MAC Address. If that laptop is reported
> stolen, they could track it via the Net. Even if the hard drive is wiped,
> replaced, and a different OS is put on it, they would 'see' it because of
> the MAC Address.
>
> Now, if you have DHCP running on your network on a server, I would go and
> look up the computer name, in DHCP, find out what the IP Address was
> assigned to it, and what the MAC Address that DHCP has as a reference. Once
> you have the MAC Address, I would look up companies who help in recovery of
> stolen equipment.
>
> I am only assuming that the laptop was directly connected to your network
> via a physical connection. It the laptop was connected via a docking
> station, and that docking station has a dedicated network card, then DHCP
> probably would reference the MAC Address of the docking station. If the
> laptop was connected via the wireless card, then you can still get the MAC
> Address from DHCP.
>
> If anyone has anything to add to this, please clarify. It has been awhile
> since I have done this.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
> michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local
>> law enforcement on the other-end.
>>
>> Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have
>> rudimentary IP address information?
>>
>> --
>> ME2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore <
>> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
>>> internet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Giannamore
>>>
>>> Abide International Inc.
>>>
>>> Technical Support
>>>
>>> 561 1st Street West
>>>
>>> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>>>
>>> (707) 935-1577Office
>>>
>>> (707) 935-9387Fax
>>>
>>> (707) 766-4185Cell
>>>
>>> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
>>>
>>> www.abideinternational.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Kennedy, Jim 

Can it be done...yes it is possible. Highly unlikely, very improbable. You 
won't be able to get the police to move fast enough and you need that to happen 
to get the ISP to give you the location. Imagine calling the San Francisco PD 
and trying to get to someone that understands what you are talking about and 
has the time to drop everything they are doing because the only shot you got is 
to contact the ISP right away.

And most ISP's are going to insist upon a warrant from the police, or a 
subpoena from you before they will divulge a users identity.


From: Gene Giannamore [gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

More of a proof of concept. Can it be done, kinda thing. From my research seems 
fairly involved and has a low chance of success. I could be wrong though. Check 
the logs, find the remote ISP, contact them and somehow get the location info, 
see if the police there aren’t busy, hope the location is not random.

Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>
www.abideinternational.com


From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local law 
enforcement on the other-end.

Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have rudimentary IP 
address information?

--
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore 
mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>>
 wrote:
Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the internet?


Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Daniel Rodriguez 
I think it would be better if you had the MAC Address of the Laptop. Since
the network card, and wireless card, have a MAC Address assigned by the
manufacturer you could do a search to see if that MAC Address shows up on
the Internet. But Micheal is right, you probably would need a Level 1 ISP to
help you see if that laptop shows up by putting a 'sniffer' on the Net. The
'theft-tracking' software would also help. The company who puts out that
software would keep track of the MAC Address. If that laptop is reported
stolen, they could track it via the Net. Even if the hard drive is wiped,
replaced, and a different OS is put on it, they would 'see' it because of
the MAC Address.

Now, if you have DHCP running on your network on a server, I would go and
look up the computer name, in DHCP, find out what the IP Address was
assigned to it, and what the MAC Address that DHCP has as a reference. Once
you have the MAC Address, I would look up companies who help in recovery of
stolen equipment.

I am only assuming that the laptop was directly connected to your network
via a physical connection. It the laptop was connected via a docking
station, and that docking station has a dedicated network card, then DHCP
probably would reference the MAC Address of the docking station. If the
laptop was connected via the wireless card, then you can still get the MAC
Address from DHCP.

If anyone has anything to add to this, please clarify. It has been awhile
since I have done this.



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local
> law enforcement on the other-end.
>
> Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have rudimentary
> IP address information?
>
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore <
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:
>
>>  Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
>> internet?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Giannamore
>>
>> Abide International Inc.
>>
>> Technical Support
>>
>> 561 1st Street West
>>
>> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>>
>> (707) 935-1577Office
>>
>> (707) 935-9387Fax
>>
>> (707) 766-4185Cell
>>
>> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
>>
>> www.abideinternational.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Its really depends.

A visual traceroute can be very helpful or incredibly misleading.  You may
get the correct town, or you may not.  It depends heavily on the accuracy of
the information publicly available by the ISP, and how they have/are
managing their IP addresses.  The best bet is to determine the ISP and make
contact with them regarding a theft issue - if its a case of theft.

The ISP isn't going to just give you location information. You will require
local law enforcement involvement.

Unless some sort of wireless triangulation app is able to kick-off and
report back the data, you aren't going to get anything that is specific or
trustable.

Otherwise, you can take the IP and try to cross-reference it with other
logs/posts/whatever online, and see if you can find some correlation.  I
have managed to pull this off a few times in order to prompt a deeper
investigation by law enforcement. But this depends highly on the online
activities of the end-user.

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Gene Giannamore <
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:

>  More of a proof of concept. Can it be done, kinda thing. From my research
> seems fairly involved and has a low chance of success. I could be wrong
> though. Check the logs, find the remote ISP, contact them and somehow get
> the location info, see if the police there aren’t busy, hope the location is
> not random.
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
>
> Abide International Inc.
>
> Technical Support
>
> 561 1st Street West
>
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>
> (707) 935-1577Office
>
> (707) 935-9387Fax
>
> (707) 766-4185Cell
>
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
>
> www.abideinternational.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:42 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)
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> Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local
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> Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have rudimentary
> IP address information?
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>  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore <
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> Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
> internet?
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> Gene Giannamore
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RE: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Gene Giannamore 
More of a proof of concept. Can it be done, kinda thing. From my research seems 
fairly involved and has a low chance of success. I could be wrong though. Check 
the logs, find the remote ISP, contact them and somehow get the location info, 
see if the police there aren't busy, hope the location is not random.

Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
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Sonoma,Ca.95476
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From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local law 
enforcement on the other-end.

Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have rudimentary IP 
address information?

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore 
mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>>
 wrote:
Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it's IP address across the internet?


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Re: Tracking stolen laptop via IP address (internet)

2011-03-03 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Somewhat. But you will likely need to cooperation from the ISP and local law
enforcement on the other-end.

Is proper theft-tracking software involved, or do you only have rudimentary
IP address information?

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gene Giannamore <
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com> wrote:

>  Is it possible to track/find a laptop via it’s IP address across the
> internet?
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
>
> Abide International Inc.
>
> Technical Support
>
> 561 1st Street West
>
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
>
> (707) 935-1577Office
>
> (707) 935-9387Fax
>
> (707) 766-4185Cell
>
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
>
> www.abideinternational.com
>
>
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