Re: Training for Unix Support?
Thank you for all the comments. I have started playing with CentOS in our virtual environment. I feel badly continuing this in an NT support list, is there a good list for *nix support? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
If you're using CentOS, than how about the CentOS list? http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos From: Stephen Wimberly [riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Training for Unix Support? Thank you for all the comments. I have started playing with CentOS in our virtual environment. I feel badly continuing this in an NT support list, is there a good list for *nix support? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on a Virtual PC No error codes I have found yet but for Fedora it will not get to the option to install but with OpenSUSE it will not find the virtual drive. Hmm, sounds like it's not seeing the (virtual) disk controller. That usually means it lacks a device driver, same as with a Windows install. The odd part is virtual machine implementations usually pick a really common controller to emulate. If you try again, see if you can find a *nix command prompt. For the installers, you can usually find one on another virtual console. Press CTRL+ALT+F1, or F2, or F3, etc., to switch virtual consoles. Once you're there you can play around with the system, to see what the installer sees. The command dmesg | more (don't type the quotes) will review the kernel debug messages, which are often very informative. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
What flavor of Unix? -Original Message- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
Lemon raspberry -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: What flavor of Unix? -Original Message- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
+1 - Especially on the playing. And don't let that test box slide into production. Unix typically doesn't have near the overhead that Windows boxes need, so you don't need much horsepower in a box. As long as your stepping into Unixland, a couple of things you might look into now while you are playing is authentication and mixed data storage. -Paul -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Training for Unix Support? On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? That depends on what kind of training works best for you. (And maybe the flavor of *nix.)I would certainly sit down with a test PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing. But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't be very efficient. For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al. Very good, very practical, very accessible. There's also /Linux for Windows Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al. It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion. If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many. Too many, possibly. The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is a good place to start. There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a detailed level. And they're free. If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually more convenient, and I don't know where you are. The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning. No amount of money or resources will substitute. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
In that case I would seek training at WWUAWW (Willie Wonka Unix Academy of Wallawalla Washington). :-P From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Training for Unix Support? Lemon raspberry -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: What flavor of Unix? -Original Message- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.commailto:riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
Flavor? Our web developer wants to host a web site in house rather than with shared Unix hosting. When I asked what flavor he wants to use, he asked me! He even suggested that I download and learn a free one like CenOS and then we purchase an Enterprise one like Red Hat or SUSE Linux Enterprise. I don't mind learning something new, and I've actually always wanted a reason to learn some flavor of Unix, but it seems we are both starting from scratch! I think it's a classic case of the blind leading the blind! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: Our web developer wants to host a web site in house rather than with shared Unix hosting. What's the business justification for this? What's the ROI? Unless you have some kind of major web project, hosting in-house isn't a good idea. I'm a big *nix booster myself, but I still wouldn't want to host our website on-site. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
Out of all the Unix I've been exposed to, I tend to lean most to Red Hat. If you pay the subscription, the patch update service is pretty good. Tech support has been better than average. The item that impressed me most was doing disaster recovery testing with Red Hat Enterprise. We restored to a different box and on boot it automagically prompted to remove the old hardware and to install and configure the new stuff without a hitch. Very nice. YMMV... -Paul -Original Message- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Training for Unix Support? Flavor? Our web developer wants to host a web site in house rather than with shared Unix hosting. When I asked what flavor he wants to use, he asked me! He even suggested that I download and learn a free one like CenOS and then we purchase an Enterprise one like Red Hat or SUSE Linux Enterprise. I don't mind learning something new, and I've actually always wanted a reason to learn some flavor of Unix, but it seems we are both starting from scratch! I think it's a classic case of the blind leading the blind! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:43, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: Our web developer wants to host a web site in house rather than with shared Unix hosting. What's the business justification for this? What's the ROI? Unless you have some kind of major web project, hosting in-house isn't a good idea. I'm a big *nix booster myself, but I still wouldn't want to host our website on-site. -- Ben There are multiple issues here, even assuming it's a small web site - if it's meant to be exposed to the public. o- Security Just because it's small, doesn't mean it's not a target. Configuring a web service for secure operation (even if it hosts no sensitive information) is not something to take on lightly. Configure it incorreclty, and you *will* get hacked. Once hacked, your site becomes a stepping stone for further maliciousness o- Business availability Whether hacked or not, if someone gets a wild hair and decides your site is offensive, or for some strange reason your site becomes wildly popular, your Internet pipe will get stuffed full, and you'll find it very hard to operate. Just those two would put me off putting up a site, unless there's a very strong business case to justify the resources to do it correctly. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: I still want to learn more about Linux, but I'm also sort of waiting until we decide which 'flavor' we'll be using. I'd take raspberry over lemon though myself. Well, given that the pressure's off, I would say it's a good opportunity to start playing. Now less directed learning is more acceptable. Flavor doesn't matter nearly as much now. While there is variation between the different flavors of *nix, most of what you learn will be applicable. It's akin to the differences between major releases of Windows. There are a lot of differences between Windows 2000 Server and and Windows 2008. But most things one learned for Win2K still work in 2008. Likewise, most of what you learn for, say, Red Hat, would be fairly applicable to Debian. Even if they use different commands for some things, the concepts are similar. Virtualization on the desktop is a great way to do this. If you don't already have a solution, Microsoft's Virtual PC is free. Then download a copy of a distro and try things out -- run Linux in a window on your PC. Play with Linux while you're waiting for other things to finish. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is prolly the most common Linux flavor for corporate environments. There's a clone of it called CentOS which is freely available (this is completely legal, as Red Hat publishes almost all the source code to RHEL. (http://www.centos.org/) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
Scot, do you have any good sources for loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on a Virtual PC, since you mentioned it. Debian while a little difficult loaded like a charm compared to either of the others. Jon On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: I still want to learn more about Linux, but I'm also sort of waiting until we decide which 'flavor' we'll be using. I'd take raspberry over lemon though myself. Well, given that the pressure's off, I would say it's a good opportunity to start playing. Now less directed learning is more acceptable. Flavor doesn't matter nearly as much now. While there is variation between the different flavors of *nix, most of what you learn will be applicable. It's akin to the differences between major releases of Windows. There are a lot of differences between Windows 2000 Server and and Windows 2008. But most things one learned for Win2K still work in 2008. Likewise, most of what you learn for, say, Red Hat, would be fairly applicable to Debian. Even if they use different commands for some things, the concepts are similar. Virtualization on the desktop is a great way to do this. If you don't already have a solution, Microsoft's Virtual PC is free. Then download a copy of a distro and try things out -- run Linux in a window on your PC. Play with Linux while you're waiting for other things to finish. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is prolly the most common Linux flavor for corporate environments. There's a clone of it called CentOS which is freely available (this is completely legal, as Red Hat publishes almost all the source code to RHEL. (http://www.centos.org/) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
Sounds delicious. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Training for Unix Support? Lemon raspberry -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: What flavor of Unix? -Original Message- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.commailto:riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Scot, do you have any good sources for loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on a Virtual PC, since you mentioned it. Debian while a little difficult loaded like a charm compared to either of the others. Unfortunately, no. I have basically no experience with Virtual PC. We use VMware at work (snapshots make test scenarios much easier). I know I've read of people using VPC to run Linux, but I don't recall the distribution or details, sorry. Any particular failure mode or error message? -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Training for Unix Support?
I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
What flavor of UNIX? One recommendation would be to pursue a certification in the particular flavor your organization uses, and attend or obtain the requisite training for it. -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR On Jan 26, 2012 6:43 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
Done much work with ESX? It will teach you a bit of UNIX from the console. --Original Message-- From: Stephen Wimberly To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? Sent: 26 Jan 2012 20:50 I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:50, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? What distro? Redhat, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, or any of a hundred others? What functions is this box going to perform? Also, how do you feel you learn best? Some folks want a good book and a couple of machines, others want f2f classes, and some like online training. I have a fair amount of unix background (some Ubuntu, a smattering of CentOS, but mostly FreeBSD, which is definitely not Linux), and would for myself prefer a good book that is distro-specific, and however many machines needed to make a good lab to replicate the environment I'm going to support. Those machines might well be VMs on an ESXi box. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? That depends on what kind of training works best for you. (And maybe the flavor of *nix.)I would certainly sit down with a test PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing. But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't be very efficient. For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al. Very good, very practical, very accessible. There's also /Linux for Windows Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al. It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion. If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many. Too many, possibly. The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is a good place to start. There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a detailed level. And they're free. If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually more convenient, and I don't know where you are. The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning. No amount of money or resources will substitute. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
Unix administration training. -- Espi On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.comwrote: I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Training for Unix Support?
When you say 'Unix', you usually mean proprietary, so like a vendor specific implementation. You using an IBM, see them, you using a Sun box, see them. If you meant Linux, Red Hats training and (or more so) exam is regarded well. From: Stephen Wimberly [riverside...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Training for Unix Support? I have supported Microsoft products since 1992. I am now being asked to support our first Unix box. Aside from the occasional install to play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure. What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? Thank you ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
Yes, time is of the essence... I can't really imagine a training class that would teach enough relevant stuff at the right pace--there are so many facets to Linux / FreeBSD / Solaris / etc., and then substantial differences even within Linux distributions. For example, I used to spend all my time in Red Hat / CentOS land, and every time I deal with a Debian system like Ubuntu, it feels like everything in /etc is in the wrong place, the software package manager is different, and especially the startup scripts operate in an almost totally different fashion. Never mind hopping over to Solaris or HPUX... those are systems I can use, but wouldn't care to run. Among other things, you may need to learn a long list of tools to work effectively like: less, vi, awk, sed, cut, head, tail, iptables, ssh and sshd, rsync, bash / zsh generally, find, xargs, and more; general things like piping and redirection, the structure of the filesystem, runlevels, troubleshooting, various scripting languages, X, the list goes on and on... it takes years to become a really proficient UNIX-head. I think what you want to do is, find the right place to start that's relevant to what you want to do with the system, and move at your own pace. --Steve On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly riverside...@gmail.com wrote: What training would you request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix support? That depends on what kind of training works best for you. (And maybe the flavor of *nix.) I would certainly sit down with a test PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing. But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't be very efficient. For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al. Very good, very practical, very accessible. There's also /Linux for Windows Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al. It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion. If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many. Too many, possibly. The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is a good place to start. There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a detailed level. And they're free. If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually more convenient, and I don't know where you are. The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning. No amount of money or resources will substitute. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Training for Unix Support?
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: When you say 'Unix', you usually mean proprietary, so like a vendor specific implementation. To be fair, the BSDs, and yes even Linux, are often considered to be flavors of Unix, although technically only The Open Group(R) can bestow the Unix(R) certification. And don't forget, these days, Unix(R) includes the Apple(R) Macintosh(R). :-) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
