Re: Unix Backups
Thanks very much Ben,
Great explaination!
Cheers,
Cameron
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1
Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR)
I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the
Unix
clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server
(Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit
backbone
for the whole network).
I would generally prefer to do a disk-to-disk backup to the one
server, and then backup that one server to tape for offline/offsite
backups.
Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore.
Email is super-easy. Most scheduled things in Unix-land are kicked
off from cron, and cron automatically emails job output to the job
owner.
You will have to be more specific for ease of use. In particular,
note that easy to use and easy to learn are often inversely
proportional, and different people find different UIs easy/hard.
The most common drawbacks with a simple tar involve restores:
* tar is a sequential format. If the file you want is near the end of
the archive, it has to read through everything else first to find it.
It is simple and robust, but slow.
* Cherry-picking files during a restore can be tedious, if you don't
know the exact name. You have to list the archive to get the exact
name, then run it again to extract.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's a combination of Pro Isam/Oracle databases and our ERP application
and
a few other apps...
If the applications keep their files hot all the time, you will
have to find a way to get said apps to either (1) do an online backup
to separate files which you can then backup or (2) temporarily quiesce
and make consistent their files on-disk during the backup.
Am I reading correctly that with 'tar', if you wanted to exclude
directories you have to create a file and within that file list them out?
It depends on the variant of tar you're using. I'm not familiar
with the one that comes with AIX, but GNU tar supports wildcards in
its exclusions.
What I wonder is how the performance would be
doing it that way. Would it be better performance to tar on the box and
then
copy it to the windows share?
It will likely be overall faster to tar directly to the target
system. That way you're reading from a local disk and writing to the
network, once each. Doing it to local disk first would mean twice as
many read operations (once to create the tar archive, then to copy
it), and will also cause I/O contention unless you have separate
spindles (it will be writing to the same disks it's reading from).
I may have missed reading it, but is there a
way to produce a text file listing of all the files that were sucessfully
tarred?
Add the --verbose (-v) switch.
Here is an example, using GNU tar and GNU date. AIX variants may
not support all the GNU features. However, the GNU variants are
available for AIX, so if you don't already have them, get them. :)
TODAY=$(date --iso-8601)
tar --create --gzip --verbose --totals \
--file=/mnt/backupserver/${HOSTNAME}_${TODAY}.tar.gz \
--files-from=/etc/backup/include \
--exclude-from=/etc/backup/exclude \
/mnt/backupserver/${HOSTNAME}_${TODAY}.log
The first command just saves the date, in -MM-DD format. The
second command does the backup. The option switches are:
--createcreate archive (as opposed to --list, --extract,
--diff, etc.)
--gzip compress with GNU gzip (if you have more I/O than you do
CPU,
omit this for speed)
--verbose list file paths as they are written (use twice to
get file details)
--totalsprint total bytes written and performance at end
The last part of the command rewrites output to a file, so you get a
log with the file list. Significant messages (errors, etc.) will
still print to standard error, so you'll get those on the console or
in the cron job email, without being flooded with every single file
backed up.
The /etc/backup/include file could look like:
/etc/
/home/
/usr/local/
The /etc/backup/exclude file could look like:
/usr/local/tmp/
*.mp3
*~
You get the idea.
-- Ben
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Re: Unix Backups
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 14:45, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? Those with the potential to control all too often yield to the temptation exercise that control - and the history of this nation, along with all others, demonstrates this amply. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Seriously. WTF. Oy. And moving on. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 14:45, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? Those with the potential to control all too often yield to the temptation exercise that control - and the history of this nation, along with all others, demonstrates this amply. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? http://dictionary.reference.com/ -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Sigh... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 14:45, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? Those with the potential to control all too often yield to the temptation exercise that control - and the history of this nation, along with all others, demonstrates this amply. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Unix Backups
Trying to figure out how unix backups turns into political economics.. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Unix Backups On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? http://dictionary.reference.com/ -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
I claim fault for this one. Apologies to the list. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: Trying to figure out how unix backups turns into political economics.. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Unix Backups On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. What is ownership, if not control? And vice versa? http://dictionary.reference.com/ -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: Trying to figure out how unix backups turns into political economics.. Welcome to the Internet. This is our road sign: http://mlkshk.com/r/31XF -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. I understand, and in the process they create a socialistic environment to develop the product. :-) Yah, it's even worse than a bunch of techies sharing their time and knowledge for free on a public mailing list. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
I KNOW! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. I understand, and in the process they create a socialistic environment to develop the product. :-) Yah, it's even worse than a bunch of techies sharing their time and knowledge for free on a public mailing list. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
LOL that a good one on VON mises, Ludwig would be happy.. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps it's an example of von Mises theories in action? Free software cannot continue to be free, since it is socialistic in nature. It must inevitably fail. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Amanda is not now known as Zmanda. One is the Open Source project, the other is the commercial offering based on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Justin IT-TECH ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
*sigh*apologies all...it was a LONG daylet me try this again. Good morning all, Backup Exec 2010 no longer supports any version of AIX.sI need to find an alternative. IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1 Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR) I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server (Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone for the whole network). As to reporting/management functions...pretty basic. Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore. I'm really not a Unix person, but can usually muddle my way through any scripting. I'm more than willing to research what's out there, but would like to know if there are any fan favourites so that I don't reinvent the wheel. As always TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
So, what are you backing up on the AIX box? And what are you wanting to do? Tar to a windows shared folder which is then backed up by your BackupExec infrastructure could work. Don't know if that's sufficient for your needs, though. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: *sigh*apologies all...it was a LONG daylet me try this again. Good morning all, Backup Exec 2010 no longer supports any version of AIX.sI need to find an alternative. IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1 Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR) I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server (Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone for the whole network). As to reporting/management functions...pretty basic. Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore. I'm really not a Unix person, but can usually muddle my way through any scripting. I'm more than willing to research what's out there, but would like to know if there are any fan favourites so that I don't reinvent the wheel. As always TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
LOL * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. I understand, and in the process they create a socialistic environment to develop the product. :-) Yah, it's even worse than a bunch of techies sharing their time and knowledge for free on a public mailing list. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
It's a combination of Pro Isam/Oracle databases and our ERP application and a few other apps...however, I don't need to backup the Oracle databases themselves as there are cold backups being done every night and I can backup those. Am I reading correctly that with 'tar', if you wanted to exclude directories you have to create a file and within that file list them out? I'm currently doing something similar dumping CSV files to a windows share so that wouldn't be an issue. What I wonder is how the performance would be doing it that way. Would it be better performance to tar on the box and then copy it to the windows share? I may have missed reading it, but is there a way to produce a text file listing of all the files that were sucessfully tarred? On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: So, what are you backing up on the AIX box? And what are you wanting to do? Tar to a windows shared folder which is then backed up by your BackupExec infrastructure could work. Don't know if that's sufficient for your needs, though. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.comwrote: *sigh*apologies all...it was a LONG daylet me try this again. Good morning all, Backup Exec 2010 no longer supports any version of AIX.sI need to find an alternative. IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1 Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR) I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server (Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone for the whole network). As to reporting/management functions...pretty basic. Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore. I'm really not a Unix person, but can usually muddle my way through any scripting. I'm more than willing to research what's out there, but would like to know if there are any fan favourites so that I don't reinvent the wheel. As always TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
So, how many support cases have you had to open on your AIX system, with Symantec? If licenses are perpetual, then just keep using the product that works for you, and hit the forums for support. I've had better response from the Symantec forums, than I have from support, it seems. Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com 9/13/2011 6:48 AM *sigh*apologies all...it was a LONG daylet me try this again. Good morning all, Backup Exec 2010 no longer supports any version of AIX.sI need to find an alternative. IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1 Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR) I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server (Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone for the whole network). As to reporting/management functions...pretty basic. Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore. I'm really not a Unix person, but can usually muddle my way through any scripting. I'm more than willing to research what's out there, but would like to know if there are any fan favourites so that I don't reinvent the wheel. As always TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Unix Backups
Not sure about AIX, but can you add a -v and then pipe the result to a text file? From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Unix Backups It's a combination of Pro Isam/Oracle databases and our ERP application and a few other apps...however, I don't need to backup the Oracle databases themselves as there are cold backups being done every night and I can backup those. Am I reading correctly that with 'tar', if you wanted to exclude directories you have to create a file and within that file list them out? I'm currently doing something similar dumping CSV files to a windows share so that wouldn't be an issue. What I wonder is how the performance would be doing it that way. Would it be better performance to tar on the box and then copy it to the windows share? I may have missed reading it, but is there a way to produce a text file listing of all the files that were sucessfully tarred? On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: So, what are you backing up on the AIX box? And what are you wanting to do? Tar to a windows shared folder which is then backed up by your BackupExec infrastructure could work. Don't know if that's sufficient for your needs, though. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: *sigh*apologies all...it was a LONG daylet me try this again. Good morning all, Backup Exec 2010 no longer supports any version of AIX.sI need to find an alternative. IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1 Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR) I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server (Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone for the whole network). As to reporting/management functions...pretty basic. Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore. I'm really not a Unix person, but can usually muddle my way through any scripting. I'm more than willing to research what's out there, but would like to know if there are any fan favourites so that I don't reinvent the wheel. As always TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM P520 - 2 LPARs - 1 - AIX 5.3, 2 - AIX 6.1
Need to backup approx 80GB (roughly 40GB per LPAR)
I was using BE2010 to backup (to tape) my Windows boxes as well as the Unix
clients but I don't *have* to stick with this. I have a spare server
(Windows) that has a tape library attached that I could use (gigbit backbone
for the whole network).
I would generally prefer to do a disk-to-disk backup to the one
server, and then backup that one server to tape for offline/offsite
backups.
Email of completion status, ease of use for backup/restore.
Email is super-easy. Most scheduled things in Unix-land are kicked
off from cron, and cron automatically emails job output to the job
owner.
You will have to be more specific for ease of use. In particular,
note that easy to use and easy to learn are often inversely
proportional, and different people find different UIs easy/hard.
The most common drawbacks with a simple tar involve restores:
* tar is a sequential format. If the file you want is near the end of
the archive, it has to read through everything else first to find it.
It is simple and robust, but slow.
* Cherry-picking files during a restore can be tedious, if you don't
know the exact name. You have to list the archive to get the exact
name, then run it again to extract.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a combination of Pro Isam/Oracle databases and our ERP application and
a few other apps...
If the applications keep their files hot all the time, you will
have to find a way to get said apps to either (1) do an online backup
to separate files which you can then backup or (2) temporarily quiesce
and make consistent their files on-disk during the backup.
Am I reading correctly that with 'tar', if you wanted to exclude
directories you have to create a file and within that file list them out?
It depends on the variant of tar you're using. I'm not familiar
with the one that comes with AIX, but GNU tar supports wildcards in
its exclusions.
What I wonder is how the performance would be
doing it that way. Would it be better performance to tar on the box and then
copy it to the windows share?
It will likely be overall faster to tar directly to the target
system. That way you're reading from a local disk and writing to the
network, once each. Doing it to local disk first would mean twice as
many read operations (once to create the tar archive, then to copy
it), and will also cause I/O contention unless you have separate
spindles (it will be writing to the same disks it's reading from).
I may have missed reading it, but is there a
way to produce a text file listing of all the files that were sucessfully
tarred?
Add the --verbose (-v) switch.
Here is an example, using GNU tar and GNU date. AIX variants may
not support all the GNU features. However, the GNU variants are
available for AIX, so if you don't already have them, get them. :)
TODAY=$(date --iso-8601)
tar --create --gzip --verbose --totals \
--file=/mnt/backupserver/${HOSTNAME}_${TODAY}.tar.gz \
--files-from=/etc/backup/include \
--exclude-from=/etc/backup/exclude \
/mnt/backupserver/${HOSTNAME}_${TODAY}.log
The first command just saves the date, in -MM-DD format. The
second command does the backup. The option switches are:
--createcreate archive (as opposed to --list, --extract,
--diff, etc.)
--gzip compress with GNU gzip (if you have more I/O than you do CPU,
omit this for speed)
--verbose list file paths as they are written (use twice to get
file details)
--totalsprint total bytes written and performance at end
The last part of the command rewrites output to a file, so you get a
log with the file list. Significant messages (errors, etc.) will
still print to standard error, so you'll get those on the console or
in the cron job email, without being flooded with every single file
backed up.
The /etc/backup/include file could look like:
/etc/
/home/
/usr/local/
The /etc/backup/exclude file could look like:
/usr/local/tmp/
*.mp3
*~
You get the idea.
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Re: Unix Backups
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Amanda is not now known as Zmanda. One is the Open Source project, the other is the commercial offering based on it. Sorry - it's been quite a while since I looked a this stuff, and was going off memory. For FreeBSD I just use dump/restore. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
No, the only fail here is memory. It's hell getting old... Kurt On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 17:08, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it's an example of von Mises theories in action? Free software cannot continue to be free, since it is socialistic in nature. It must inevitably fail. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Amanda is not now known as Zmanda. One is the Open Source project, the other is the commercial offering based on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Socialism requires that some folks have guns and that others can't. Incorrect. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Yes, technically that could be a dictatorship or any sort of despotic government. In socialism the state own or control the means of production. They may or may not determine who owns the guns, too, but that is separate from the govenmental authority over enterprises. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Socialism requires that some folks have guns and that others can't. Incorrect. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. Mao was correct on that point. Kurt On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:26, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, technically that could be a dictatorship or any sort of despotic government. In socialism the state own or control the means of production. They may or may not determine who owns the guns, too, but that is separate from the govenmental authority over enterprises. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Socialism requires that some folks have guns and that others can't. Incorrect. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Um, whoever owns the guns owns the means of production. You confuse ownership with control. I expect you also confuse can control with does control. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Unix Backups
Good afternoon all, Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? TIA! Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
More details, please. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon all, Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? TIA! Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Symantec what doesn't support AIX? I just looked at the compatibility document for Netbackup, and AIX is supported as both client and server. 64 bit anyway... And, at a minimum, AIX 5.3 TL7 SP5, or higher, for Netbackup 7.x Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com 9/12/2011 2:17 PM Good afternoon all, Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? TIA! Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 14:17, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon all, Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? TIA! Cameron Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? Your email is almost completely devoid of information. (If you had omitted AIX, it would have achieved a zen-like perfection.) * What version(s) of AIX? * What machine type(s)? * Are non-AIX hosts involved in this as well? If so, explain. * How many hosts? * How many bytes? * What's the backup hardware? Tape? Changer? Disks? * Are you looking for network backups, or local only? * What kind of management/reporting/scheduling features are you looking for? Plain old tar may be good enough, but you've given us nothing to go on. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Unix Backups
Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Amanda is not now known as Zmanda. One is the Open Source project, the other is the commercial offering based on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
Perhaps it's an example of von Mises theories in action? Free software cannot continue to be free, since it is socialistic in nature. It must inevitably fail. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Amanda, now known as Zmanda, might fill your bill. Amanda is not now known as Zmanda. One is the Open Source project, the other is the commercial offering based on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Unix Backups
As many others have mentioned, your email is lacking in useful detail. My personal favorite Linux/Unix backup software would be BackupPC. It is a highly unix scriptable Disk to Disk backup solution. Perhaps it will fill your needs. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ --Matt Ross Ephrata School District On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon all, Now that Symantec doesn't support AIX, I need to come up with a good alternative. Anyone care to share their experiences? TIA! Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
