RE: Cantenna construction (was Re: [nycwireless] Orinoco Problems)

2004-02-20 Thread Michael P. Kassner
I have used several antennas of know gain as a comparison to get a estimated
gain on antennas that I have built.  I also was brave enough to make one of
the SWR meters, which will help indicate the health of the entire RF system.
That is the link, the rest of the message is a quote that summarizes my
approach as well.

http://pe2er.tmfweb.nl/wifiswr/

Without the proper (multi-thousand dollar) tools, how can you estimate
antenna performance?  This is one method I gleaned from Mr. Rob Flickenger

Using the Link Test software that comes with the Orinoco silver cards, you
can see the signal and noise readings (in db) of a received signal, and your
test partner's reception of your signal. As I happen to be 0.6 mile LOS from
ORA headquarters, with very little noise on the channel between, we had a
fairly controlled testbed to experiment with. We shot at the omni on the
roof, and used the access point at ORA as our link test partner.

To estimate antenna performance, we started by connecting commercial
antennas of known gain, and taking readings. Then, we connected our test
antennas and compared the results. We had the following at our disposal:

two 10db, 180 degree sector panel antennas
one 11db, 120 degree sector panel antenna
one 24db parabolic dish
a couple of Pringles cans and some tin foil

Here were the average received signal and noise readings from each, in
roughly the same position:

Antenna Signal  Noise
10db A: -83db   -92db
10db B: -83db   -92db
11db:   -82db   -95db
24db:   -67db   -102db
Pringles can
(shotgun):  -78db   -99db
Pringles can
(internal): -81db   -98db

The test partner (AP side) signal results were virtually the same.
Interestingly, even at only 0.6 mile, we saw some thermal fade effect; as
the evening turned into night, we saw about 3db gain across the board (it
had been a particularly hot day: almost 100 degrees. I don't know what the
relative humidity was, but it felt fairly dry.)

Yagis and dishes are much more directional than sectors and omnis. This bore
out in the numbers, as the perceived noise level was consistently lower with
the more directional antennas. This can help alot on long distance shots, as
not only will your perceived signal be greater, the competing noise will
seem to be less. More directional antennas also help keep noise down for
your neighbors trying to share the spectrum as well. Be a good neighbor and
use the most directional antennas that will work for your application (yes,
noise is everybody's problem.)

When trying to aim a yagi (like our little can), keep in mind that they have
large side lobes that extend up to 45 degrees from the center of the can.
Don't point directly at where you're trying to go, aim slightly to the left
or the right. We also found that elevating the antenna helped a bit as well.
When aiming the antenna, hold it behind the connector, and SLOWLY sweep from
left to right, with the Link Test program running. When you get the maximum
signal, slowly raise the end of the can to see if it makes a difference. Go
slowly, changing only one variable at a time.

Remember that the can is polarized, so match the phase of the antenna you're
talking to (for example, if shooting at an omni, be sure the element is on
the bottom or the top of the can, or you won't be able to see it!) You can
use this to your advantage to try to eliminate some noise on a long distance
link: slowly turn both ends of the link from vertical through horizontal,
and stop at the point that you see the most gain (and lowest noise.)

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RE: [nycwireless] getting right ap and adapters

2003-11-22 Thread Michael P. Kassner
Hello,

> > The files they are usually exchanging are anywhere
> > from 10K to 500K so that means that I could use
> > 802.11b and USB adapters

I would suggest a real serious site survey before making any conclusions as
to what to use and what protocol.  Allot depends on the congestion of people
and physical surroundings. I would tend to believe that you are giving the
users Internet access, your throughput would be quite a bit more variable
and heavy at lunchtime for example.  It also depends on the required
reliability and stability of the system. What are the management
expectations and how much are they willing to pay for that level of
operation.  It is very difficult to second guess a poorly built wireless
network.  I also would stay away from USB adaptors, they have a very poor
track record with my clients.  I used them at first for the ease of
installation, but as normal that was overruled by many nagging problems that
forced my to replace all of them with PC cards or PCI adapters.

It would help if you could explain the topology of the network you had in
mind and the physical size of the area.  I read that this might also involve
another floor in the same building.  that will have its own set of problems.

> > like to know which AP should I use having in mind very
> > basic needs and tight budget

I agree with Mr. Ben here, you need to use Enterprise quality equipment.
Cisco and Smart Bridges are two very high quality suppliers.  Tight budget
or not, it makes no sense to scrimp here and then pay for it in down time
and lost productivity.  I know I have been there.


>>and how many computers
> > could I connect with one ap.

This again is dependent on the throughput required and what protocol you
decide on. 802.11b has at best 11mB throughput with everything perfect.
802.11g has at best 54mB throughput, it costs more.  Another factor to
consider is that of interference, in any one coverage area using 802.11b
you can only have 3 clients accessing an AP without some interference and
loss due to overlapping channels.  This is where 802.11a has a big advantage
in that it can have up to 26 users accessing one AP without interference (15
if it is synchronized) as it uses a different modulation scheme and carrier
frequency

>>I would appreciate help
> > with locations from which I could buy equipment with
> > best prices here in New York.
Again I agree with Mr. Ben, shop the Internet, depending on what you decide
on. Cisco is more prevalent then Smart Bridges, but I personally prefer them
as they are totally commercial grade equipment.

I have some experience
> > with home wireless routers (D-link and LinkSys) and I
> > was wondering could I use one of those for my case?

As we stated, not a good idea, Cisco recently purchased LinkSys if that
tells you something.

> > Any other suggestions would be highly appreciated.

I hope that this is Ok and I will not incur the wrath of NYCWUG, but this
website has a very good FAQ section and might help you figure out your needs
and help you ask more detailed questions.

http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

HTH
mpkn3rd/k0pbx




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