Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
Turns out that my new phone lines have a Digital Subscriber Loop, which means no DSL. And Cablevision (this is in Brooklyn) can't do cable Umm..but doesn't having a Digital Subscriber Loop imply they really do have DSL infrastructure in the area? At the switching office they probably have a DSLAM (Digital Subscriber Loop Access Multiplexer). Those are used on the other end of a DSL modem connection. (DSLAM definition taken from http://public.pacbell.net/faq/dsl_faq.html) Perhaps you meant to say they have load coils or are beyond the 12-18k feet range? http://www.dslreports.com/information/kb/load+coil modem, either. Verizon refused to switch me to an analog loop, and even they cannot provide me with DSL. I really hate Verizon even more, didn't think that was possible. Are there any wireless ISPs (WISPs) in that area? Any coffee shops with wifi? (Think high gain directional antenna...) If you're reading this, read it again. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
Whatever the issue, Verizon insists that DSL is not possible. There isn't a distance issue, it has to do the with the type of circuit installed. Verizon won't even provide DSL themselves :( Looks like the solution is going to be a very pricey SDSL line. Jonathan Haudy Kazemi wrote: Turns out that my new phone lines have a Digital Subscriber Loop, which means no DSL. And Cablevision (this is in Brooklyn) can't do cable -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
in what area of Brooklyn are you? another option might be DirecPC (not sure what the costs are these days, 99/month i think) ... - jon - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hirschman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Haudy Kazemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn Whatever the issue, Verizon insists that DSL is not possible. There isn't a distance issue, it has to do the with the type of circuit installed. Verizon won't even provide DSL themselves :( -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Jonathan Hirschman wrote: Whatever the issue, Verizon insists that DSL is not possible. There isn't a distance issue, it has to do the with the type of circuit installed. Verizon won't even provide DSL themselves :( Most likely it's Verizon's loop concentrator. What happened was NYNEX back in 93-94 decided that it'd be more cost effective by bringing in fiber to the basement of a building, then putting in a mini-CO there to connect to the NID of each apartment. I recall this being done to my old building around that time. It resulted in higher voice quality and all, but made it totally incompatible with the xDSL standards that came out a few years later. But you still have a few options. 1) Use IDSL. The loop concentrator should be compatible with ISDN, and IDSL (physically) uses the same signaling as ISDN. It's not as pricey as SDSL, but then again, it's not as fast either. 2) Use SDSL. But you knew that already. 3) Call up Verizon. Tell them that you need a phone line compatible with an alarm system. Supposedly this causes Verizon to try to provision an analog loop for you. YMMV on this one. 4) Call up Speakeasy (800-556-5829). Tell them that you need a ADSL circuit on a separate line because your line is on a loop concentrator. They should be more than willing to work with you on this one, unlike VZ. It does require a truck roll, so that does mean higher upfront cost. But it'll be cheaper than SDSL/ADSL, and probably faster. Oh, and feel free to refer my account (starfox) if you go this route. Kevin Starfox Arima -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
3) Call up Verizon. Tell them that you need a phone line compatible with an alarm system. Supposedly this causes Verizon to try to provision an analog loop for you. YMMV on this one. In Jonathan's case, Verizon's response is no copper available. 4) Call up Speakeasy (800-556-5829). Tell them that you need a ADSL circuit on a separate line because your line is on a loop concentrator. They should be more than willing to work with you on this one, unlike VZ. It does require a truck roll, so that does mean higher upfront cost. But it'll be cheaper than SDSL/ADSL, and probably faster. Oh, and feel free to refer my account (starfox) if you go this route. When there's no copper - you are screwed one way or the other. The only way VZ will pull new copper is by SDSL or T1 order. -alex -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
When there's no copper - you are screwed one way or the other. The only way VZ will pull new copper is by SDSL or T1 order. Not true, if they have pairs for a SDSL/T1, then they can fulfill a dark pair order. The ILEC doesn't know what the CLEC is going to run on it, and they shouldn't care. If you really want to find out about the copper shortage situtation, you can always flag down a neighborhood lineman. They are the ones that can tell you upfront if there is an actual shortage, or the VZHQ is spouting its propoganda. What they might end up doing is re-testing a pair that has been marked as bad in the past. Sometimes they re-test with less stringent quality tests, just because they are so short of pairs. So they might give you a pair to shut you up, but it may end up being crap. Here in Boston, I have dealt with being on the crappy end of Cambridge, and let me tell you Verizon just doesn't have its act together, or are just plain old being cheap. It took over a year to get a T1 that would work reasonably well. This should serve as a word of caution to anyone shopping for real estate: make sure the location isn't a bandwidth slum. Of course this is one of the major reasons why wireless data has become popular. I bet there's not nearly as much 802.11b activity in Stockholm, where you get 10mb cable internet access for 37 Euros. And it works. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Connectivity emergency in brooklyn
I used Covad, but I had a 'pricey' line installed Ruben On 2003.11.16 13:18 Jonathan Hirschman wrote: If anyone has a suggestion in regards to the situation below, I'd certainly appreciate it. I ordered DSL from local provider on this list who shall remain nameless, contact me offline for details who totally dropped the ball on my order. It turns out that they could not provide DSL service, even though I prequal'd through their online system. And then they didn't contact me for a week. Now, I'm moving in two weeks... not much time here. Turns out that my new phone lines have a Digital Subscriber Loop, which means no DSL. And Cablevision (this is in Brooklyn) can't do cable modem, either. Verizon refused to switch me to an analog loop, and even they cannot provide me with DSL. I really hate Verizon even more, didn't think that was possible. It is looking like my only choice is either a pricey SDSL install, or a pricier T1 (out of the question). If anyone can suggest a third option, I'd certainly like to hear about it. Jonathan -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- __ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net -- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn 1-718-382-0585 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
