[nysbirds-l] Summer Tanager dates

2009-12-12 Thread Angus Wilson
A number of people have asked if either of the Summer Tanagers being
reported from Spencerport (Monroe Co., western NY) and Clove Lake, State
Island (Richmond Co., southern NY) represent record late dates. Well, the
answer is not quite but almost. There have been a fair number of November
records but only a handful from December. Here are the ones I know of:

One, 1st-year male, 24 Nov to 2 Dec 1972, Montauk Point, Suffolk Co. (see
Kingbird 23(1):70)
One, til 4 Dec 1988, at feeder in Oldfield, Suffolk Co. (see KB 39(2):130)
One, fem., 4-15 Dec 2000, Greenwich Village, New York Co. (NYSARC 2000-31-A,
Helene Tetrault)

So it will be interesting to see how the current birds do as the truly cold
weather settles in. In discussing this topic, Hugh McGuinness raised the
fascinating question of where these late birds come from. Sightings from the
spring at least are presumed to be from the eastern population (Piranga
rubra rubra), which breeds to the south of us, but late fall birds might
well be from the southwest (P. r. cooperi), mirroring other western species
like Ash-throated Flycatcher. Good photographs, banding measurements or
specimens may help answer this intriguing question. NYSARC welcomes
documentation of these and any exceptionally late birds.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Dunkirk Avocet 12/12/09

2009-12-12 Thread Jim Osterlund
Suggested observation location;

42.487177,-79.34537 - Google Maps


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[nysbirds-l] Dunkirk Avocet 12/12/09

2009-12-12 Thread Jerry Lazarczyk
I found the Avocet about 2:50pm that was first found by Davied Neveu. It was 
towards the power plant close to the beach associating with Canada Geese and 
Ring-billed Gulls, swimming and wading. After photos I left for the Main St. 
beach and found Robert Ungerer of Lakewood and Ranjit Laha of Jamestown and 
took them to the Avocet. We found it way to the right near the wooden docks off 
Bert's Cove associating with about 40+  Mallards and a Redhead and with a Coot, 
Hooded Merganzer and Horned Grebe nearby. The Avocet is very late in the 
migration schedule and appears to spend an inordinate amout of time swimming.

The Avocet is in the SW end of the harbor with parking and good viewing off the 
Conservation Club.grounds.

Jerry Lazarczyk
Grand Island NY


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Re: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and Greenland-marked Canada Goose

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Walter
Angus,

I was looking through the link you provided for information on other banding 
schemes, but nothing there. A flock of Canada Geese at Point Lookout today 
included 10 individuals with similar yellow and black collars, but with the 
prefix "RE". There was also one with an orange collar, with white lettering 
"HOX6". Any ideas?

Steve Walter


  - Original Message - 
  From: Angus Wilson 
  To: NYSBIRDS-L 
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:00 PM
  Subject: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and 
Greenland-marked Canada Goose


  Between errands this afternoon, I checked the fields around Bridgehampton and 
Sagaponack (Suffolk Co., NY) for geese. In general, the numbers seem a bit low 
but perhaps the current cold spell will change that. The highlights were two 
geese that likely spent the summer in Greenland.
   
  The first was a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE seen with c.250 Canada Geese in a 
field off Wainscott Hollow Road in Sagaponack. Field ID to subspecies remains 
tricky (and somewhat controversial) but to my eyes the bird shows characters of 
the Greenland subspecies including a bright orange bill. It was quite 
aggressive, constantly snapping at any Canada Goose that came near and managed 
to keep a goose free zone around itself much of the time. The geese were 
feeding on freshly harvested maize on the east side of the road and the 
white-front seemed particularly adept at lifting the flattened corn stems to 
uncovered discarded cobs. 

  A cruddy digiscoped photo is posted on my 'Birding to the end' blog 
http://birdingtotheend.blogspot.com/2009/12/greenland-white-fronted-and-canada.html.

  Shortly before that, I'd found a marked GREENLAND-ORIGIN CANADA GOOSE at the 
small pond in the apple orchard off Horsemill Lane in Mecox. I've posted a 
couple of (badly) digiscoped photos showing the distinctive design of the neck 
collar. This bird belongs to a very exciting project studying the recent and 
rapid colonization of western Greenland by Canada Geese. This range expansion 
is apparently to the detriment of the nesting Greater White-fronts, which being 
smaller are readily displaced from optimal nesting sites.

  The individual I saw today (yellow plastic collar and leg band with G24 in 
black letters) is a male that was first captured near Isunngua in western 
Greenland ('Lake T') on 17 July 2008. He - and for once I can justify using a 
pronoun to describe a goose - was not reported in the winter of 2008/09 but has 
already been sighted by Shawn Deuel in the Sagaponack area (9 and 27 Oct 2009). 
Several other birds have already been found this winter on Long Island and 
across the Sound in Connecticut.

  I'm not sure how many birds were marked in the summer of 2008, but the team 
marked 118 Canada Geese and eight Greater White-fronts in the summer of 2009. 
Finding these birds on the wintering grounds offers a fantastic opportunity for 
birders in New York and neighboring states to contribute to this important 
research. Obviously the arrival dates and movements of these birds will 
influence our thoughts on the occurrence of two other Greenland nesting 
species, Pink-footed Goose and Barnacle Goose.

  Visit this link to read all about the greenland goose project.
  http://greenland09.wikispaces.com/Ringing+results+and+recoveries

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[nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and Greenland-marked Canada Goose

2009-12-12 Thread Angus Wilson
Between errands this afternoon, I checked the fields around Bridgehampton
and Sagaponack (Suffolk Co., NY) for geese. In general, the numbers seem a
bit low but perhaps the current cold spell will change that. The highlights
were two geese that likely spent the summer in Greenland.

The first was a *GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE* seen with c.250 Canada Geese
in a field off Wainscott Hollow Road in Sagaponack. Field ID to subspecies
remains tricky (and somewhat controversial) but to my eyes the bird shows
characters of the Greenland subspecies including a bright orange bill. It
was quite aggressive, constantly snapping at any Canada Goose that came near
and managed to keep a goose free zone around itself much of the time. The
geese were feeding on freshly harvested maize on the east side of the road
and the white-front seemed particularly adept at lifting the flattened corn
stems to uncovered discarded cobs.

A cruddy digiscoped photo is posted on my 'Birding to the end' blog
http://birdingtotheend.blogspot.com/2009/12/greenland-white-fronted-and-canada.html
.

Shortly before that, I'd found a marked *GREENLAND-ORIGIN CANADA GOOSE* at
the small pond in the apple orchard off Horsemill Lane in Mecox. I've posted
a couple of (badly) digiscoped photos showing the distinctive design of the
neck collar. This bird belongs to a very exciting project studying the
recent and rapid colonization of western Greenland by Canada Geese. This
range expansion is apparently to the detriment of the nesting Greater
White-fronts, which being smaller are readily displaced from optimal nesting
sites.

The individual I saw today (yellow plastic collar and leg band with G24 in
black letters) is a male that was first captured near Isunngua in western
Greenland ('Lake T') on 17 July 2008. He - and for once I can justify using
a pronoun to describe a goose - was not reported in the winter of 2008/09
but has already been sighted by Shawn Deuel in the Sagaponack area (9 and 27
Oct 2009). Several other birds have already been found this winter on Long
Island and across the Sound in Connecticut.

I'm not sure how many birds were marked in the summer of 2008, but the team
marked 118 Canada Geese and eight Greater White-fronts in the summer of
2009. Finding these birds on the wintering grounds offers a fantastic
opportunity for birders in New York and neighboring states to contribute to
this important research. Obviously the arrival dates and movements of these
birds will influence our thoughts on the occurrence of two other Greenland
nesting species, Pink-footed Goose and Barnacle Goose.

Visit this link to read all about the greenland goose project.
http://greenland09.wikispaces.com/Ringing+results+and+recoveries

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[nysbirds-l] Lake Ontario Plain 12/12 (Summer Tanager, Eurasian Collared-Doves, geese)

2009-12-12 Thread Tom Johnson
NYSbirders,
Tim Lenz, Jay McGowan, Chris Wiley, and I birded in Monroe and Seneca
Counties today.  We started at the Summer Tanager stakeout on Colby St. in
Spencerport (Monroe Co.), where the bird cooperated early and often.  The
tanager appears to be an adult female, with an apparently (fresh) completely
replaced set of wing feathers including rounded primary coverts edged in
olive; it has considerable orange-olive blush, especially to the head and
undertail.  When it wasn't on or around the feeders, the tanager perched
quietly low in the treeline west of the house across the harvested field.

Just a ten minute drive away from the tanager site, three Eurasian
Collared-Doves continued just west of the intersection of Curtis Rd. and Rt.
259 in Bartlett Corners perching in trees in two front yards.  Only a few
waterbirds (including Red-necked Grebe, Red-throated Loon) were moving on
Lake Ontario at Hamlin Beach State Park mid-morning, so we headed east to
the Cayuga Lake Basin.

Montezuma NWR and surrounding marshes and impoundments were largely iced
over, and the majority of waterfowl have relocated to the northwest corner
of Cayuga Lake.  We encountered many thousands of Canada Geese, Snow Geese,
Tundra Swans, and ducks from Cayuga Lake State Park south to Deans Cove;
among them we found 4 Cackling Geese and I saw an adult Ross's Goose briefly
before the Snow Geese flew again.  Perhaps the rarest wildfowl of the day
was a presumed Snow x Canada Goose that Tim picked out south of Cayuga Lake
State Park with the Canada Goose flocks; like several other birds of this
hybrid combination that I've seen in the past few years, this bird had a
body and wings that looked like a combination of Canada and dark morph Snow
Goose, and a white head blending into a dark neck; the bill was shaped like
a thin Snow Goose bill and was dark gray in coloration.  A very late
Killdeer was at Deans Cove as well.

Photos of the Summer Tanager and the presumed Snow x Canada Goose hybrid are
here:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonxie88/

Cheers,
Tom


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[nysbirds-l] Staten Island Summer Tanager and other notable birds

2009-12-12 Thread Jeffrey Ritter
Eric Miller, Gary Straus and I travelled to Staten Island this morning to look 
for the Summer Tanager and other birds reported in recent days. 

We were weren't disappointed.

The Summer Tanager and Red-headed Woodpecker were both present again at Clove 
Lakes Park. We found the Summer Tanager near the stream just north of the white 
stone bridge, the second bridge north of Martling Ave. Other birds present in 
the same area were 3-4 Baltimore Orioles, a Pine Warbler, an Orange-crowned 
Warbler, a Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, both Red-breasted and White-breasted 
Nutchatches and a Brown Creeper.

The Red-headed Woodpecker was in the trees between a clearing and the stream 
just east of Brookside Ave. near the intersection with Kingsley Ave.

>From Clove Lakes we then proceeded to a private house near Wagner College 
>where we observed the Rufous Hummingbird that has been present since late 
>October.

Jeff Ritter
Little Neck, NY


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[nysbirds-l] Summer Tanager continues - Spencerport (Monroe County)

2009-12-12 Thread Andy Guthrie
The Summer Tanager was still present this morning around 11 a.m.  When I
arrived at about 10:45 a birder waiting there told me it had been seen
earlier in the morning but hadn't been there for about an hour.  Within a
few minutes it flew into one of the bare trees in front of the red barn,
giving us nice overhead views.  It flew first into the next bare tree toward
the house and then down to the suet feeder.  It also called a few times.

Cheers,
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Hamlin, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Staten Island Summer Tanager and other notable birds

2009-12-12 Thread Jeffrey Ritter
Eric Miller, Gary Straus and I travelled to Staten Island this morning to look 
for the Summer Tanager and other birds reported in recent days. 

We were weren't disappointed.

The Summer Tanager and Red-headed Woodpecker were both present again at Clove 
Lakes Park. We found the Summer Tanager near the stream just north of the white 
stone bridge, the second bridge north of Martling Ave. Other birds present in 
the same area were 3-4 Baltimore Orioles, a Pine Warbler, an Orange-crowned 
Warbler, a Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, both Red-breasted and White-breasted 
Nutchatches and a Brown Creeper.

The Red-headed Woodpecker was in the trees between a clearing and the stream 
just east of Brookside Ave. near the intersection with Kingsley Ave.

From Clove Lakes we then proceeded to a private house near Wagner College 
where we observed the Rufous Hummingbird that has been present since late 
October.

Jeff Ritter
Little Neck, NY


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[nysbirds-l] Lake Ontario Plain 12/12 (Summer Tanager, Eurasian Collared-Doves, geese)

2009-12-12 Thread Tom Johnson
NYSbirders,
Tim Lenz, Jay McGowan, Chris Wiley, and I birded in Monroe and Seneca
Counties today.  We started at the Summer Tanager stakeout on Colby St. in
Spencerport (Monroe Co.), where the bird cooperated early and often.  The
tanager appears to be an adult female, with an apparently (fresh) completely
replaced set of wing feathers including rounded primary coverts edged in
olive; it has considerable orange-olive blush, especially to the head and
undertail.  When it wasn't on or around the feeders, the tanager perched
quietly low in the treeline west of the house across the harvested field.

Just a ten minute drive away from the tanager site, three Eurasian
Collared-Doves continued just west of the intersection of Curtis Rd. and Rt.
259 in Bartlett Corners perching in trees in two front yards.  Only a few
waterbirds (including Red-necked Grebe, Red-throated Loon) were moving on
Lake Ontario at Hamlin Beach State Park mid-morning, so we headed east to
the Cayuga Lake Basin.

Montezuma NWR and surrounding marshes and impoundments were largely iced
over, and the majority of waterfowl have relocated to the northwest corner
of Cayuga Lake.  We encountered many thousands of Canada Geese, Snow Geese,
Tundra Swans, and ducks from Cayuga Lake State Park south to Deans Cove;
among them we found 4 Cackling Geese and I saw an adult Ross's Goose briefly
before the Snow Geese flew again.  Perhaps the rarest wildfowl of the day
was a presumed Snow x Canada Goose that Tim picked out south of Cayuga Lake
State Park with the Canada Goose flocks; like several other birds of this
hybrid combination that I've seen in the past few years, this bird had a
body and wings that looked like a combination of Canada and dark morph Snow
Goose, and a white head blending into a dark neck; the bill was shaped like
a thin Snow Goose bill and was dark gray in coloration.  A very late
Killdeer was at Deans Cove as well.

Photos of the Summer Tanager and the presumed Snow x Canada Goose hybrid are
here:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonxie88/

Cheers,
Tom


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[nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and Greenland-marked Canada Goose

2009-12-12 Thread Angus Wilson
Between errands this afternoon, I checked the fields around Bridgehampton
and Sagaponack (Suffolk Co., NY) for geese. In general, the numbers seem a
bit low but perhaps the current cold spell will change that. The highlights
were two geese that likely spent the summer in Greenland.

The first was a *GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE* seen with c.250 Canada Geese
in a field off Wainscott Hollow Road in Sagaponack. Field ID to subspecies
remains tricky (and somewhat controversial) but to my eyes the bird shows
characters of the Greenland subspecies including a bright orange bill. It
was quite aggressive, constantly snapping at any Canada Goose that came near
and managed to keep a goose free zone around itself much of the time. The
geese were feeding on freshly harvested maize on the east side of the road
and the white-front seemed particularly adept at lifting the flattened corn
stems to uncovered discarded cobs.

A cruddy digiscoped photo is posted on my 'Birding to the end' blog
http://birdingtotheend.blogspot.com/2009/12/greenland-white-fronted-and-canada.html
.

Shortly before that, I'd found a marked *GREENLAND-ORIGIN CANADA GOOSE* at
the small pond in the apple orchard off Horsemill Lane in Mecox. I've posted
a couple of (badly) digiscoped photos showing the distinctive design of the
neck collar. This bird belongs to a very exciting project studying the
recent and rapid colonization of western Greenland by Canada Geese. This
range expansion is apparently to the detriment of the nesting Greater
White-fronts, which being smaller are readily displaced from optimal nesting
sites.

The individual I saw today (yellow plastic collar and leg band with G24 in
black letters) is a male that was first captured near Isunngua in western
Greenland ('Lake T') on 17 July 2008. He - and for once I can justify using
a pronoun to describe a goose - was not reported in the winter of 2008/09
but has already been sighted by Shawn Deuel in the Sagaponack area (9 and 27
Oct 2009). Several other birds have already been found this winter on Long
Island and across the Sound in Connecticut.

I'm not sure how many birds were marked in the summer of 2008, but the team
marked 118 Canada Geese and eight Greater White-fronts in the summer of
2009. Finding these birds on the wintering grounds offers a fantastic
opportunity for birders in New York and neighboring states to contribute to
this important research. Obviously the arrival dates and movements of these
birds will influence our thoughts on the occurrence of two other Greenland
nesting species, Pink-footed Goose and Barnacle Goose.

Visit this link to read all about the greenland goose project.
http://greenland09.wikispaces.com/Ringing+results+and+recoveries

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Re: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and Greenland-marked Canada Goose

2009-12-12 Thread Steve Walter
Angus,

I was looking through the link you provided for information on other banding 
schemes, but nothing there. A flock of Canada Geese at Point Lookout today 
included 10 individuals with similar yellow and black collars, but with the 
prefix RE. There was also one with an orange collar, with white lettering 
HOX6. Any ideas?

Steve Walter


  - Original Message - 
  From: Angus Wilson 
  To: NYSBIRDS-L 
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:00 PM
  Subject: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: Greater White-fronted and 
Greenland-marked Canada Goose


  Between errands this afternoon, I checked the fields around Bridgehampton and 
Sagaponack (Suffolk Co., NY) for geese. In general, the numbers seem a bit low 
but perhaps the current cold spell will change that. The highlights were two 
geese that likely spent the summer in Greenland.
   
  The first was a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE seen with c.250 Canada Geese in a 
field off Wainscott Hollow Road in Sagaponack. Field ID to subspecies remains 
tricky (and somewhat controversial) but to my eyes the bird shows characters of 
the Greenland subspecies including a bright orange bill. It was quite 
aggressive, constantly snapping at any Canada Goose that came near and managed 
to keep a goose free zone around itself much of the time. The geese were 
feeding on freshly harvested maize on the east side of the road and the 
white-front seemed particularly adept at lifting the flattened corn stems to 
uncovered discarded cobs. 

  A cruddy digiscoped photo is posted on my 'Birding to the end' blog 
http://birdingtotheend.blogspot.com/2009/12/greenland-white-fronted-and-canada.html.

  Shortly before that, I'd found a marked GREENLAND-ORIGIN CANADA GOOSE at the 
small pond in the apple orchard off Horsemill Lane in Mecox. I've posted a 
couple of (badly) digiscoped photos showing the distinctive design of the neck 
collar. This bird belongs to a very exciting project studying the recent and 
rapid colonization of western Greenland by Canada Geese. This range expansion 
is apparently to the detriment of the nesting Greater White-fronts, which being 
smaller are readily displaced from optimal nesting sites.

  The individual I saw today (yellow plastic collar and leg band with G24 in 
black letters) is a male that was first captured near Isunngua in western 
Greenland ('Lake T') on 17 July 2008. He - and for once I can justify using a 
pronoun to describe a goose - was not reported in the winter of 2008/09 but has 
already been sighted by Shawn Deuel in the Sagaponack area (9 and 27 Oct 2009). 
Several other birds have already been found this winter on Long Island and 
across the Sound in Connecticut.

  I'm not sure how many birds were marked in the summer of 2008, but the team 
marked 118 Canada Geese and eight Greater White-fronts in the summer of 2009. 
Finding these birds on the wintering grounds offers a fantastic opportunity for 
birders in New York and neighboring states to contribute to this important 
research. Obviously the arrival dates and movements of these birds will 
influence our thoughts on the occurrence of two other Greenland nesting 
species, Pink-footed Goose and Barnacle Goose.

  Visit this link to read all about the greenland goose project.
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[nysbirds-l] Dunkirk Avocet 12/12/09

2009-12-12 Thread Jerry Lazarczyk
I found the Avocet about 2:50pm that was first found by Davied Neveu. It was 
towards the power plant close to the beach associating with Canada Geese and 
Ring-billed Gulls, swimming and wading. After photos I left for the Main St. 
beach and found Robert Ungerer of Lakewood and Ranjit Laha of Jamestown and 
took them to the Avocet. We found it way to the right near the wooden docks off 
Bert's Cove associating with about 40+  Mallards and a Redhead and with a Coot, 
Hooded Merganzer and Horned Grebe nearby. The Avocet is very late in the 
migration schedule and appears to spend an inordinate amout of time swimming.

The Avocet is in the SW end of the harbor with parking and good viewing off the 
Conservation Club.grounds.

Jerry Lazarczyk
Grand Island NY


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Dunkirk Avocet 12/12/09

2009-12-12 Thread Jim Osterlund
Suggested observation location;

42.487177,-79.34537 - Google Maps


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[nysbirds-l] Summer Tanager dates

2009-12-12 Thread Angus Wilson
A number of people have asked if either of the Summer Tanagers being
reported from Spencerport (Monroe Co., western NY) and Clove Lake, State
Island (Richmond Co., southern NY) represent record late dates. Well, the
answer is not quite but almost. There have been a fair number of November
records but only a handful from December. Here are the ones I know of:

One, 1st-year male, 24 Nov to 2 Dec 1972, Montauk Point, Suffolk Co. (see
Kingbird 23(1):70)
One, til 4 Dec 1988, at feeder in Oldfield, Suffolk Co. (see KB 39(2):130)
One, fem., 4-15 Dec 2000, Greenwich Village, New York Co. (NYSARC 2000-31-A,
Helene Tetrault)

So it will be interesting to see how the current birds do as the truly cold
weather settles in. In discussing this topic, Hugh McGuinness raised the
fascinating question of where these late birds come from. Sightings from the
spring at least are presumed to be from the eastern population (Piranga
rubra rubra), which breeds to the south of us, but late fall birds might
well be from the southwest (P. r. cooperi), mirroring other western species
like Ash-throated Flycatcher. Good photographs, banding measurements or
specimens may help answer this intriguing question. NYSARC welcomes
documentation of these and any exceptionally late birds.

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