[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13

[Andy Guthrie]

Forwarding an update from Jim. 

Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY



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> From: Bird observations from western New York 
> Date: July 13, 2015 at 11:34:49 PM EDT
> To: geneseebirds-l 
> Subject: Re: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 
> 7/13
> Reply-To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
> 
> I quickly edited and threw a few photos of the cormorant up on flickr here: 
> www.flickr.com/photos/jmpawli10 
> 
> The one photo actually shows a pale area near the bird's rear auriculars/neck 
> that could be white plumes that would be diagnostic for Neotropic Cormorant, 
> and at one point I thought I saw this in the field, but could not be certain 
> (was using additional digital zoom thru the camera phone for that photo). 
> That being said, I would go as far to say that I am 99% certain the bird is a 
> Neotropic based on size/proportions alone, but of course it would be nice to 
> get a bit better confirmation in better light and at a distance of less than 
> a mile away (tower to breakwall is about 0.95 mi).
> 
> 
> Jim Pawlicki
> 
> 
> -
> 
> James Pawlicki
> jmpawl...@gmail.com 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Bird observations from western New York 
>>  wrote:
>> This evening around 7:15 pm, Dean DiTomasso and I watched a probable adult 
>> Neotropic Cormorant sitting with about 475 Double-crested Cormorants on the 
>> outermost breakwall in Buffalo Harbor as viewed from the tower at Erie Basin 
>> Marina. The very small size is extremely distinctive, but that being said 
>> there are "smaller" Double-crested Cormorants out there, while the effects 
>> of position and lighting on sitting birds (due to uneveness in the breakwall 
>> surface) can cause some Double-cresteds to look quite small at times. We had 
>> the bird sitting up and preening somewhat off on its own initially, but 
>> later next to a DCCO that flew in and landed near it. I also saw the bird 
>> briefly in-flight and re-locating to another portion of the breakwall after 
>> the they were flushed by a boat. It was present up until dark and evidently 
>> was roosting on the breakwall with the group of Double-crested's and various 
>> gulls and terns.
>> 
>> The light there is best in the early morning and the best viewing of the 
>> breakwalls is from the tower at Erie Basin Marina, but decent views of the 
>> same outermost breakwall can be had from the hill at the end of Wilkeson 
>> Point Park along Fuhrmann Blvd (in the outer harbor south of Erie Basin). If 
>> the bird re-located to any of the other (closer) breakwalls, it should be 
>> identifiable with 100% certainty through a scope, but I would obviously 
>> recommend if anyone has use of a canoe, kayak, or boat that it would be more 
>> than worth trying to get out there and document (photograph) the bird if you 
>> are willing to do so.
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Pawlicki
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> James Pawlicki
>> jmpawl...@gmail.com 
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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13

[Andy Guthrie]

Forwarding for Jim Pawlicki. 

Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY



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> From: Bird observations from western New York 
> Date: July 13, 2015 at 11:08:46 PM EDT
> To: geneseebirds-l 
> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13
> Reply-To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
> 
> This evening around 7:15 pm, Dean DiTomasso and I watched a probable adult 
> Neotropic Cormorant sitting with about 475 Double-crested Cormorants on the 
> outermost breakwall in Buffalo Harbor as viewed from the tower at Erie Basin 
> Marina. The very small size is extremely distinctive, but that being said 
> there are "smaller" Double-crested Cormorants out there, while the effects of 
> position and lighting on sitting birds (due to uneveness in the breakwall 
> surface) can cause some Double-cresteds to look quite small at times. We had 
> the bird sitting up and preening somewhat off on its own initially, but later 
> next to a DCCO that flew in and landed near it. I also saw the bird briefly 
> in-flight and re-locating to another portion of the breakwall after the they 
> were flushed by a boat. It was present up until dark and evidently was 
> roosting on the breakwall with the group of Double-crested's and various 
> gulls and terns.
> 
> The light there is best in the early morning and the best viewing of the 
> breakwalls is from the tower at Erie Basin Marina, but decent views of the 
> same outermost breakwall can be had from the hill at the end of Wilkeson 
> Point Park along Fuhrmann Blvd (in the outer harbor south of Erie Basin). If 
> the bird re-located to any of the other (closer) breakwalls, it should be 
> identifiable with 100% certainty through a scope, but I would obviously 
> recommend if anyone has use of a canoe, kayak, or boat that it would be more 
> than worth trying to get out there and document (photograph) the bird if you 
> are willing to do so.
> 
> 
> Jim Pawlicki
> 
> -
> 
> James Pawlicki
> jmpawl...@gmail.com 
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Re:[nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Thomas Fiore]

on this ongoing issue at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, Queens Co. (N.Y.  
City)

Please correct if incorrect, but there is a relatively recent  
agreement with the City of New York's Parks Dept., that does not  
appear to transfer any management/decision-making back to the city**   
These issues likely need to be addressed most to, & by, the top  
administrators at Gateway National Recreation Area (Ms. Jennifer  
Nersesian is the head administrator there) and possibly on up the  
chain to the Washington DC offices of the National Parks Service.  The  
city of New York once owned and managed Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge,  
and (I believe) the laws that were applicable to its management were  
different from those that apply now. For what it may be worth, and it  
is important to understand to those who do not see a difference, the  
management of the Jamaica Bay "Refuge" is under the purvey of a  
National Recreation Area, with an emphasis on the word:  
"Recreation"... hardly my preference nor that of anyone I know in the  
naturalist community who have visited Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, it  
has had a lot of consequences to how things are managed there,  
particularly in recent times.  I would emphasize that as of now, the  
people Andrew Baksh has suggested we contact, as well as the ideas put  
forth by John Askildsen, be considered in earnest.  It will only  
happen if enough of us make our voices heard to those who administrate  
and who are meant to serve the public, we the people...

As already noted by Andrew Baksh -
 >
I posted the contact information for Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian  
in another post, those are the people you need to get in touch with.

Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665
<

Again, Ms. Nersesian is the head administrator of Gateway National  
Recreation Area.   I would also tend to agree with at least most if  
not all of what John Askildsen posted, in part in response to Susan  
Herbst's prior post, in that there will be more action taken in favor  
of bird &/or habitat protection when pressure is applied and in part,  
in addition to actual letters to elected representative (a physical,  
paper & ink letter, sent in the old USPS system, is considered to have  
the most impact of all ways of contacting a representative or an  
official, or for that matter anyone in a public position even in our  
age of mobile media. A phone call is also good, and an email is also  
good. Adding one's name to a petition can be useful but individual,  
personal input to one's elected officials and other public servants  
are likely to make a stronger impression overall.)  Another thought is  
that writers / editors for local newspapers and magazines, producers &  
others with TV & radio programs, & web site managers might be  
contacted along with your local or regional birding or environmental  
group. (If a negatively-inclined piece appeared in, let's say, the NY  
Times, you can be sure that folks behind desks at the National Parks  
Service will quickly be made aware of that, and they will also be  
aware if they receive praise in public for work well-done, when such  
takes place, that is!) Also, being respectful and informed is a given  
with feedback to any public official for there to be a chance for a  
positive response.

Some of the additional ideas on volunteerism are of interest and could  
potentially be of worth, but an issue that must be dealt with are  
those in charge of management at the Refuge (or any other public lands  
locations & issues). The area in discussion must be seen as in need of  
work, & that work is in need of being done prior to now. We won't get  
a volunteer effort going (on the projects at issue here) without the  
approval of top management; their opinion & decisions can be affected  
in part by our input.

sincerely, Tom Fiore, Manhattan (one of many long-time Jamaica Bay  
Wildlife Refuge visitors & former volunteer for NPS Piping Plover  
protection effort), New York City.

** those who wish to may read at least some of the transfer agreements  
via NYC.gov web pages, they can take a bit of navigating to reach the  
legalities involved therein.
_
On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Christina Wilkinson wrote:

> The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS.   
> Any complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City  
> of New York:
> http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways
>
> You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
> http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html
> There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/
>
> Christina Wilkinson
> Queens, NY
> _
> On July 13, 2015 5:17 PM, John Askildsen wrote:
> [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels
>
> a good thought on your part. unless andrew baksh can say otherwise  
> with his knowledge of the inner workings of the national park  
> service, in my view the problem is 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I just found out that the "Young Birders Club" had a scheduled trip to the East 
Pond this weekend. Guess they could cancel or switch to kayaking? Maybe a 
bucket brigade...teach the young uns the privilege of shorebirding does not 
come easy.

All of this made known to the relevant authorities in NPS will apply the much 
needed pressure to get the East Pond issue resolved.


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林　Quiet as the forest
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Andrew Baksh
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> On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:10 PM, SUSAN HERBST  wrote:
> 
> I realize I am a complete lurker to this subject and only a very 
> sporadic visitor to Jamaica Bay WF.
> It seems to me that perhaps this should be approached in a different 
> way. 
> Perhaps various Audubon societies and birding associations in the area 
> should organize, find sponsors and volunteer the time and workforce to 
> get this stuff done.
> It seems to me a lot of time is spent there by birders anyway, that the 
> complaints have gone on for years, and that the NWR system is 
> overburdened and underfunded. It seems to me that in this day and age, 
> that's how restorations and upkeep gets done in historic buildings and 
> parks.
> It's just a thought.
> Don't beat me up.
> S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Susan Herbst
> graphic design/illustration/photography
> 516-633-7730
> susie...@optonline.net
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:53 PM, Arie Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
>> excellent for birding.
>> 
>> 1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
>> water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
>> been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.
>> 
>> 2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
>> breach has not been repaired.
>> 
>> 3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
>> of the water. The valve has not been replaced.
>> 
>> While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
>> building platforms and fences.
>> 
>> "Wildlife refuge?"  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS 
>> on their neglect of JB.
>> 
>> 
>> Arie Gilbert
>> North Babylon, NY
>> 
>> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
>> WWW.qcbirdclub.org
>> 
>> 
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[nysbirds-l] Manhattan Ravens

[Anthony Collerton]

The West Side Ravens have been in the West 40s the last few days.  Right now in 
Gotham West 43/11th, yesterday on the USS Intrepid.  Only 3 birds though, 
thought they fledged more young.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Michael Zito]

what about trying to do a "gofundme" or something like that to help raise funds 
for some of these projects? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Christina Wilkinson  wrote:
> 
> The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS.  Any 
> complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City of New York:
> http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways
> 
> You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
> http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html
> 
> There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/
> 
> Christina Wilkinson
> Queens, NY
> 
> From: "John Askildsen" 
> To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:17:27 PM
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels
> 
>  susan herbst,
> 
> 
> a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
> knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
> problem is that
> in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
> prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to 
> mention federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 
> 
> 
> unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
> through organized public pressure. the biggest "achilles heal" for public 
> officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
> commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, 
> things will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the 
> jamaica bay coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is 
> resolved, but strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is 
> funded, managed and staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, 
> wildlife and its usership. 
> 
> 
> until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond 
>  'gook'. in  recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the 
> NWR system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
> managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
> ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares 
> about JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active 
> recreation where there is probably big grant money available, which offers 
> more job security for NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little 
> job security in making shorebirds happy. 
> 
> 
>  John Askildsen 
> Millbrook, New York
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[nysbirds-l] Syracuse RBA

[Joseph Brin]

RBA *  New York*  Syracuse* July 13 2015*  NYSY  07. 13. 15 Hotline: Syracuse 
Rare bird AlertDates(s):July 06, 2015 - July 13, 2015to report by e-mail: 
brinjoseph AT yahoo.comcovering upstate NY counties: Cayuga, Montezuma National 
Wildlife Refugeand Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC) (just outside Cayuga 
County),Onondaga, Oswego, Lewis, Jefferson, Oneida, Herkimer,  Madison & 
Cortlandcompiled: July 13  AT 5:00 p.m. (DST)compiler: Joseph BrinOnondaga 
Audubon Homepage: www.onondagaaudubon.org  #450 Monday July 13, 2015 Greetings. 
This is the Syracuse Area Rare Bird Alert for the week of July 06, 2014 
Highlights:---GREAT EGRETBLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERONGREATER 
YELLOWLEGSLESSER YELLOWLEGSSOLITARY SANDPIPERPECTORAL SANDPIPERSEMI-PALMATED 
SANDPIPERLEAST SANDPIPERSTILT SANDPIPERSHORT-BILLED DOWITCHERFISH CROWACADIAN 
FLYCATCHERCLAY-COLORED SPARROW


Montezuma National Wildlife Complex (MNWC) and Montezuma Wetlands Complex 
(MWC)
Note the nice upswing in migrating shorebirds this week.
     7/10: 2 LEAST BITTERNS were seen and photographed in the marshes on Morgon 
Road.     7/12: 235 LESSER YELLOWLEGS, 30 GREATER YELLOWLEGS, 7 SOLITARY 
SANDPIPERS 1 SPOTTED SANDPIPER, 2 KILLDEER and PEEP were all seen in 
Knox-Marsellus from Towpath Road.     7/13: 2 STILT SANDPIPERS, 6 SHORT-BILLED 
DOWITCHERS, LEAST SANDPIPERS,  SEMI-PALMATED SANDPIPERS,  GREATER and LESSER 
YELLOWLEGS, 4 SOLITARY SANDPIPERS and 16 GREAT EGRETS were seen in 
Knox-Marsellus Marsh.

Oswego County
     7/8: A CLAY-COLORED SPARROW was heard briefly in Constantia.     7/10: 2 
FISH CROWS remain in Phoenix near the Oswego River.

Onondaga County
     7/10: An ACADIAN FLYCATCHER was again found in Whiskey Hollow.     7/12: 2 
FISH CROWS were seen along the Seneca River in Baldwinsville.

Cayuga county
     7/11: 3 ACADIAN FLYCATCHERS were found at the Sterling Nature Center.

Oneida County
     7/12: A BLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERON was found on Preston Hill Road north of 
Oneida Lake.
      --  end report


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Re: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Christina Wilkinson]

The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS. Any 
complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City of New York: 
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways 


You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html 

There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/ 


Christina Wilkinson 
Queens, NY 

- Original Message -

From: "John Askildsen"  
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:17:27 PM 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels 

susan herbst, 


a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
problem is that 
in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to mention 
federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 


unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
through organized public pressure. the biggest "achilles heal" for public 
officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, things 
will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the jamaica bay 
coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is resolved, but 
strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is funded, managed and 
staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, wildlife and its usership. 


until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond 
'gook'. in recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the NWR 
system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares about 
JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active recreation where 
there is probably big grant money available, which offers more job security for 
NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little job security in making 
shorebirds happy. 


John Askildsen 
Millbrook, New York 

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[nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[John Askildsen]

 susan herbst,


a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
problem is that
in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to mention 
federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 


unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
through organized public pressure. the biggest "achilles heal" for public 
officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, things 
will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the jamaica bay 
coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is resolved, but 
strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is funded, managed and 
staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, wildlife and its usership. 


until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond  
'gook'. in  recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the NWR 
system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares about 
JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active recreation where 
there is probably big grant money available, which offers more job security for 
NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little job security in making 
shorebirds happy. 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[SUSAN HERBST]

I realize I am a complete lurker to this subject and only a very 
sporadic visitor to Jamaica Bay WF.
It seems to me that perhaps this should be approached in a different 
way. 
Perhaps various Audubon societies and birding associations in the area 
should organize, find sponsors and volunteer the time and workforce to 
get this stuff done.
It seems to me a lot of time is spent there by birders anyway, that the 
complaints have gone on for years, and that the NWR system is 
overburdened and underfunded. It seems to me that in this day and age, 
that's how restorations and upkeep gets done in historic buildings and 
parks.
It's just a thought.
Don't beat me up.
S




Susan Herbst
graphic design/illustration/photography
516-633-7730
susie...@optonline.net


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:53 PM, Arie Gilbert wrote:

> All,
>
> Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
> excellent for birding.
>
> 1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
> water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
> been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.
>
> 2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
> breach has not been repaired.
>
> 3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
> of the water. The valve has not been replaced.
>
> While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
> building platforms and fences.
>
> "Wildlife refuge?"  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS 
> on their neglect of JB.
>
>
> Arie Gilbert
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Arie Gilbert]

All,

Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
excellent for birding.


1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.


2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
breach has not been repaired.


3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
of the water. The valve has not been replaced.


While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
building platforms and fences.


"Wildlife refuge?"  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS on 
their neglect of JB.



Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Northern Harrier nesting at Jones Beach?

[Robert Paxton]

Hi Ardith and fellow NY birders,
A pair of Harriers at Jones Beach is nowadays a good find, but they
bred regularly on the south shore marshes not long ago. We had a pair
regularly just east of Gilgo Beach up to the 1980s, and we used to watch
the male drop a mouse to the female who rose up from where we assumed the
nest must be. They ought to breed still in Tobay, now that there is hardly
any human traffic there, but this is very late for an active nest unless an
earlier brood was destroyed.
Now find a Short-eared Owl - they bred at Tobay up to the 1970s at
least.
   Bob Paxton and Sarah Plimpton

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Ardith Bondi  wrote:

> I know, I know, it's not a Phalarope. But, yesterday, as I was setting up
> my gear in the Teddy Roosevelt Nature Center parking lot, I heard a harrier
> call out behind me. When I turned around, there was a lot of commotion, and
> other birds flew off quite upset. I grabbed my camera as the Gray Ghost
> came shooting out of a tree carrying talons-full of moss. Lucky to get
> anything in focus, here's a shot
> http://ardithbondi.com/slideshow124.html#0
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> is unusual. I am putting this out there for any comments about that.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Larry Trachtenberg]

brilliant

From: bounce-119448913-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-119448913-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 2:52 PM
To: Andrew Baksh
Cc: Joshua Malbin; Arie Gilbert; Shaibal Mitra; nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
Management

Someone should report that a cat colony is being inundated- the water level 
will drop within the hour.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY


On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Joshua et al,

Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information for 
Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people you need 
to get in touch with.


Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 
718-354-4665

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

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On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin 
mailto:joshuamal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining the 
pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been too much 
rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to get it 
lower any faster.
Take that as you will.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert 
mailto:ariegilb...@optonline.net>> wrote:
Shai,

Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?

I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been replaced 
the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should be 
attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
supposed to do.

What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?

Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

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.

On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay.

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Andrew Baksh [birdingd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
To: nysbirds-l
Cc: Nyc ebirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water level 
read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the 
recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and Isaac 
Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there have all 
ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the several 
shorebirds reported out there.

With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty 
much they will take your information but I can't guarantee anything will come 
of it. it)

Alternatively, 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Mike]

Someone should report that a cat colony is being inundated- the water level 
will drop within the hour.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY



On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> Joshua et al,
> 
> Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information 
> for Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people 
> you need to get in touch with.
> 
> Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
> 
>> (\__/)
>> (= '.'=)
>> (") _ (") 
>> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
> 
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> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
> 
> On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin  wrote:
> 
>> The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining 
>> the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been 
>> too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do 
>> to get it lower any faster.
>> 
>> Take that as you will.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert  
>> wrote:
>>> Shai,
>>> 
>>> Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
>>> 
>>> I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
>>> replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff 
>>> should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably 
>>> they are supposed to do.
>>> 
>>> What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
>>> 
>>> Arie Gilbert
>>> North Babylon, NY
>>> 
>>> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
>>>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, 
 viscous, malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by 
 the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had 
 improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat 
 for longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, 
 but I was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north 
 end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full 
 canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling 
 disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off 
 over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it 
 if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some 
 gaps in his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
 From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
 [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
 [birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
 Management
 
 Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
 on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
 
 On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
 level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I 
 suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage 
 which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
 
 Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
 Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out 
 there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt 
 Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.
 
 With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
 Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and 
 rest. At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near 
 the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat 
 exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
 
 I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
 
 Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take 
 your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
 
 Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665
 
 Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, 
 it is very frustrating!!
 
 A Happy and 

[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope yes!

[John J. Collins]

The previously reported Red Phalarope is still present as of this writing at 
the blind west of the parking lot at the Roosevelt Nature Center at Jones 
Beach.  A lifer for my friend Carol!

John J. Collins
Raritan NJ
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

Joshua et al,

Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information for 
Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people you need 
to get in touch with.

Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin  wrote:
> 
> The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining 
> the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been 
> too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to 
> get it lower any faster.
> 
> Take that as you will.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert  
>> wrote:
>> Shai,
>> 
>> Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
>> 
>> I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
>> replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff 
>> should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably 
>> they are supposed to do.
>> 
>> What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
>> 
>> Arie Gilbert
>> North Babylon, NY
>> 
>> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
>>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>>> Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, 
>>> viscous, malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by 
>>> the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved 
>>> matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for 
>>> longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I 
>>> was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I 
>>> startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of 
>>> trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it 
>>> circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 
>>> 
>>> Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
>>> 
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
>>> Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps 
>>> in his year list up in the north country. 
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra
>>> Bay Shore
>>> From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
>>> [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
>>> [birdingd...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
>>> To: nysbirds-l
>>> Cc: Nyc ebirds
>>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
>>> Management
>>> 
>>> Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
>>> on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
>>> 
>>> On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
>>> level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I 
>>> suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage 
>>> which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
>>> 
>>> Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
>>> Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out 
>>> there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers 
>>> among the several shorebirds reported out there.
>>> 
>>> With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
>>> Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and 
>>> rest. At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near 
>>> the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat 
>>> exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
>>> 
>>> I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
>>> concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
>>> 
>>> Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take 
>>> your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
>>> 
>>> Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
>>> Nersesian: 718-354-4665
>>> 
>>> Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, 
>>> it is very frustrating!!
>>> 
>>> A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh  
 wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few 
 years in monitoring the East Pond 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I suggest you read the e-mails I have been posting about the issue. The valve 
was never replaced--not sure where you got that from.

My latest e-mail has a link to a post from 2011 that should educate you more on 
how that process works and what was replaced back then.





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火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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> (") _ (") 
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> On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> Shai,
> 
> Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
> 
> I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
> replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should 
> be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
> supposed to do.
> 
> What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
> 
> Arie Gilbert
> North Babylon, NY
> 
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
>> On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>> Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
>> malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north 
>> end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to 
>> some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged 
>> species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was 
>> disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I 
>> startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of 
>> trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it 
>> circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 
>> 
>> Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
>> 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
>> 
>> I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
>> Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps 
>> in his year list up in the north country. 
>> 
>> Shai Mitra
>> Bay Shore
>> From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
>> [birdingd...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
>> To: nysbirds-l
>> Cc: Nyc ebirds
>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
>> 
>> Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
>> the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
>> 
>> On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
>> level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, 
>> the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, 
>> the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
>> 
>> Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
>> Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there 
>> have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among 
>> the several shorebirds reported out there.
>> 
>> With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
>> Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. 
>> At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the 
>> levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure 
>> on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
>> 
>> I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
>> concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
>> 
>> Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
>> information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
>> 
>> Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
>> Nersesian: 718-354-4665
>> 
>> Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it 
>> is very frustrating!!
>> 
>> A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
>>> upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few 
>>> years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that 
>>> drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun 
>>> clearing the trails to the pond.
>>> 
>>> The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond 
>>> next week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor 
>>> the levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline 
>>> is available. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 風 

Jones Beach Phalarope location clarification Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[David Jordet]

Hello,
Just to clarify the phalarope is located at Jones Beach West End (JBWE -- 
Nassau County) NOT Jamaica Bay wildlife refuge (JBWR Queens County). 
These near identical acronyms looked like they might pose a problem for some. 
Hope this helps avoid navigation errors and wasted days-offs in search of this 
beautiful bird!

Dave Jordet 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:14 PM, kjm...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Phalarope is directly in front of blind on edge of sandy island at 1:15pm
> 
> Kevin McGrath 
> White plains NY 
> 
> Kevin McGrath
> kjm...@gmail.com
> 914 683 6965 home/work
> 914 815  6798 cell
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM,   wrote:
>> 
>> Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, 
>> still happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me 
>> on the bird!
>>  
>> Glenn Quinn
>> Hauppauge, NY
>> 
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Robert Lewis]

Who do we contact? What email?  Will it actually be read?
Bob LewisSleep Hollow NY

  From: Joshua Malbin 
 To: Arie Gilbert  
Cc: Shaibal Mitra ; nysbirds-l 
 
 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 12:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
Management
   
The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining the 
pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been too much 
rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to get it 
lower any faster.

Take that as you will.




On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert  
wrote:

  Shai,
 
 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
 
 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should 
be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
supposed to do.
 
 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
 
 
 
 
 .
 
 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
  
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
   From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
[birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
 
Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order. 
  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, 
the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date. 
  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there 
have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the 
several shorebirds reported out there. 
  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first. 
  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let  NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level. 
  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it) 
  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
Nersesian: 718-354-4665 
  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it 
is very frustrating!! 
  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all, 
  
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew  Baksh  wrote:
 
 Dear all, 
  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few years 
in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that drainage 
on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun clearing the trails 
to the pond. 
  The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond next 
week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor the 
levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline is 
available.  
  Cheers, 
  
  -- 
風 Swift as the wind 林　 Quiet as the forest
 火　Conquer like the fire
 山　Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu  The Art of War 
  
(\__/)
 (= '.'=)                                            
 
(") _ (")                                     
  
  Andrew Baksh 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[kjmwp2]

Phalarope is directly in front of blind on edge of sandy island at 1:15pm

Kevin McGrath 
White plains NY 

Kevin McGrath
kjm...@gmail.com
914 683 6965 home/work
914 815  6798 cell


> On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
> happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
> bird!
>  
> Glenn Quinn
> Hauppauge, NY
> 
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[Queensgirl]

Still feeding at 2nd pond when I arrived at 11:15am, observed with Brooklyn 
birders Cathy and Karen. Flew to 1st pond (nearest to Nature Center) around 
noon, where it sat at the far end and, after 30 minutes, flew left, possibly 
into the phragmites area. Birders are at the location now, waiting for the 
phalarope to re-appear. 

Donna Schulman
Forest Hills, NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM,  wrote:
> 
> Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
> happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
> bird!
>  
> Glenn Quinn
> Hauppauge, NY
> 
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Joshua Malbin]

The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining
the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been
too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do
to get it lower any faster.

Take that as you will.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert 
wrote:

>  Shai,
>
> Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
>
> I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been
> replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff
> should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably
> they are supposed to do.
>
> What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
>
> Arie Gilbert
> North Babylon, NY
>
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>
> Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid,
> viscous, malodorous, and *voluminous *water of the East Pond. I stopped
> by the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
> improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for
> longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I
> was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I
> startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of
> trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it
> circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay.
>
> Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
>
> I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it
> if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some
> gaps in his year list up in the north country.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
>  --
> *From:* bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh [
> birdingd...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
> *To:* nysbirds-l
> *Cc:* Nyc ebirds
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level
> Management
>
>   Several people have recently contacted me about the water level
> situation on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
>
>  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a
> water level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I
> suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage
> which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
>
>  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies
> and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out
> there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt
> Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.
>
>  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the
> East Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and
> rest. At the *current* drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere
> near the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO
> flat exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
>
>  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how
> concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
>
>  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take
> your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
>
>  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer
> Nersesian: 718-354-4665
>
>  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For
> me, it is very frustrating!!
>
>  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the
>> upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few
>> years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that
>> drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun
>> clearing the trails to the pond.
>>
>>  The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond
>> next week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor
>> the levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline
>> is available.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>
>>  --
>>   風 Swift as the wind
>> 林 Quiet as the forest
>> 火 Conquer like the fire
>> 山 Steady as the mountain
>> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
>> 
>>
>>  (\__/)
>> (= '.'=)
>>
>> (") _ (")
>>
>>
>>  Andrew Baksh
>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
>  --
>   風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Arie Gilbert]

  
  
Shai,

Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?

I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having
been replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that
NPS staff should be attending to the task of lowering the water
level as presumably they are supposed to do.

What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?

Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
 WWW.qcbirdclub.org 




.

On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra
  wrote:


  
  
  Watching water evaporate is dull,
especially when it is the turbid, viscous, malodorous, and
voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the
north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some
habitat for longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and
Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no shorebird
habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper
from the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched
a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled
the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly
understand it if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy,
perhaps to tidy up some gaps in his year list up in the north
country.


Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

  
  From:
  bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu
  [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of
  Andrew Baksh [birdingd...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
  To: nysbirds-l
  Cc: Nyc ebirds
  Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East
  Pond Water Level Management

  
  

  Several people have recently contacted me about the
water level situation on the East Pond, so I thought a
visit and update was in order.
  
  
  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this
morning to take a water level read and to get a sense of
where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the recent
rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which
is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this
date.
  
  
  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging
on the prairies and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia
reported to me today that surveyors out there have all
ready seen multiple Wilson's
Phalaropes
and Stilt Sandpipers among the several shorebirds
reported out there.
  
  
  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is
critical that the East Pond, is ready for migrating
shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At the
current drainage I don't see this pond getting
anywhere near the levels we need to be within the next
few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South End
which where we start seeing mudflats first.
  
  
  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let 
  NPS officials know how concerned you are about
the East Pond water level.
  
  
  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they
  will take your information but I can't guarantee
  anything will come of it. it)
  

  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or
  Jennifer
  Nersesian:
  718-354-4665
  

  Maybe one year we will get it
  right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it is very
  frustrating!!
  

  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to
  all,
  
  
  
  
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25
  PM, Andrew 
Baksh 
  wrote:
  
Dear all,
  
  

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I am glad Shai visited the East Pond and saw what I have been raising
awareness about for the past few weeks. We CANNOT...we MUST not give up
people, keep those e-mails and phone calls into NPS, we must convince them
that they have to take appropriate action to try and salvage this shorebird
season. I have no intention of giving up although a break for some northern
birding sounds good!

I shudder to think those juvenile shorebirds not being able to imprint the
East Pond into their migration route--we had that happen in 2011. See a
blog post from 2011 to understand what happened then -
http://birdingdude.blogspot.com/2011/08/tough-shorebirding-season-at-jamaica.html

I also visited the East Pond this morning with the same hopes as Shai.
Only, I went to the South End where the pond layout, is such that end is
the first to start showing flats. I could see that the water level is lower
but NO flats! There is some shoreline developing across from the Big John's
Overlook where I saw one Lesser Yellow Legs, but that is it!

I remain hopeful that weather and just maybe an NPS fix however short term
would save the season. I even suggested to them this morning that they
could remove the outflow flap all together and let the pond flow for awhile
to get caught up in terms of the water level draw down. That requires some
extra maintenance but it could be done. It would also give them a good idea
on what the the problem is, whether blockage vs leakage etc.

Mute Swans appear to be doing well though, I counted 127.



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
wrote:

>  Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid,
> viscous, malodorous, and *voluminous *water of the East Pond. I stopped
> by the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
> improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for
> longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I
> was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I
> startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of
> trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it
> circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay.
>
> Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
>
> I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it
> if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some
> gaps in his year list up in the north country.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
>  --
> *From:* bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh [
> birdingd...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
> *To:* nysbirds-l
> *Cc:* Nyc ebirds
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level
> Management
>
>   Several people have recently contacted me about the water level
> situation on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
>
>  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a
> water level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I
> suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage
> which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
>
>  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies
> and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out
> there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt
> Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.
>
>  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the
> East Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and
> rest. At the *current* drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere
> near the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO
> flat exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
>
>  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how
> concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
>
>  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take
> your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
>
>  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer
> Nersesian: 718-354-4665
>
>  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For
> me, it is very frustrating!!
>
>  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the
>> upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few
>> years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that
>> drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun
>> 

[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope Continues

[Peter Reisfeld]

After hanging around for 2 hours and missing the bird yesterday morning, I 
deserted my wife for breakfast today to try again.  This time it paid off, as 
the bird was there  and was close to the edge of the pond west of the bird 
blind.  Attached is a link to a video.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50403904@N03/19475312928/in/dateposted-public/

Happy summer birding, 

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[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[glennq]

Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Shaibal Mitra]

Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay.

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
[birdingd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
To: nysbirds-l
Cc: Nyc ebirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water level 
read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the 
recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and Isaac 
Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there have all 
ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the several 
shorebirds reported out there.

With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)

Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 
718-354-4665

Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it is 
very frustrating!!

A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,



On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,

As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the upcoming 
shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few years in 
monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that drainage on 
the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun clearing the trails to 
the pond.

The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond next 
week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor the 
levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline is 
available.

Cheers,


--
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林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of 
War

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RE: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Shaibal Mitra]

Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay.

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
[birdingd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
To: nysbirds-l
Cc: Nyc ebirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water level 
read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the 
recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and Isaac 
Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there have all 
ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the several 
shorebirds reported out there.

With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)

Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 
718-354-4665

Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it is 
very frustrating!!

A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,



On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.commailto:birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,

As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the upcoming 
shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few years in 
monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that drainage on 
the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun clearing the trails to 
the pond.

The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond next 
week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor the 
levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline is 
available.

Cheers,


--
風 Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzuhttp://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu  The Art of 
Warhttp://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War

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() _ ()

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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13

[Andy Guthrie]

Forwarding an update from Jim. 

Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY



Begin forwarded message:

 From: Bird observations from western New York geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 Date: July 13, 2015 at 11:34:49 PM EDT
 To: geneseebirds-l geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 Subject: Re: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 
 7/13
 Reply-To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 
 I quickly edited and threw a few photos of the cormorant up on flickr here: 
 www.flickr.com/photos/jmpawli10 
 
 The one photo actually shows a pale area near the bird's rear auriculars/neck 
 that could be white plumes that would be diagnostic for Neotropic Cormorant, 
 and at one point I thought I saw this in the field, but could not be certain 
 (was using additional digital zoom thru the camera phone for that photo). 
 That being said, I would go as far to say that I am 99% certain the bird is a 
 Neotropic based on size/proportions alone, but of course it would be nice to 
 get a bit better confirmation in better light and at a distance of less than 
 a mile away (tower to breakwall is about 0.95 mi).
 
 
 Jim Pawlicki
 
 
 -
 
 James Pawlicki
 jmpawl...@gmail.com 
 
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Bird observations from western New York 
 geneseebird...@geneseo.edu wrote:
 This evening around 7:15 pm, Dean DiTomasso and I watched a probable adult 
 Neotropic Cormorant sitting with about 475 Double-crested Cormorants on the 
 outermost breakwall in Buffalo Harbor as viewed from the tower at Erie Basin 
 Marina. The very small size is extremely distinctive, but that being said 
 there are smaller Double-crested Cormorants out there, while the effects 
 of position and lighting on sitting birds (due to uneveness in the breakwall 
 surface) can cause some Double-cresteds to look quite small at times. We had 
 the bird sitting up and preening somewhat off on its own initially, but 
 later next to a DCCO that flew in and landed near it. I also saw the bird 
 briefly in-flight and re-locating to another portion of the breakwall after 
 the they were flushed by a boat. It was present up until dark and evidently 
 was roosting on the breakwall with the group of Double-crested's and various 
 gulls and terns.
 
 The light there is best in the early morning and the best viewing of the 
 breakwalls is from the tower at Erie Basin Marina, but decent views of the 
 same outermost breakwall can be had from the hill at the end of Wilkeson 
 Point Park along Fuhrmann Blvd (in the outer harbor south of Erie Basin). If 
 the bird re-located to any of the other (closer) breakwalls, it should be 
 identifiable with 100% certainty through a scope, but I would obviously 
 recommend if anyone has use of a canoe, kayak, or boat that it would be more 
 than worth trying to get out there and document (photograph) the bird if you 
 are willing to do so.
 
 
 Jim Pawlicki
 
 -
 
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 jmpawl...@gmail.com 
 
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[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[glennq]

Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
bird!

Glenn Quinn
Hauppauge, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope Continues

[Peter Reisfeld]

After hanging around for 2 hours and missing the bird yesterday morning, I 
deserted my wife for breakfast today to try again.  This time it paid off, as 
the bird was there  and was close to the edge of the pond west of the bird 
blind.  Attached is a link to a video.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50403904@N03/19475312928/in/dateposted-public/

Happy summer birding, 

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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13

[Andy Guthrie]

Forwarding for Jim Pawlicki. 

Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY



Begin forwarded message:

 From: Bird observations from western New York geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 Date: July 13, 2015 at 11:08:46 PM EDT
 To: geneseebirds-l geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Probable Neotropic Cormorant, Buffalo Harbor 7/13
 Reply-To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu
 
 This evening around 7:15 pm, Dean DiTomasso and I watched a probable adult 
 Neotropic Cormorant sitting with about 475 Double-crested Cormorants on the 
 outermost breakwall in Buffalo Harbor as viewed from the tower at Erie Basin 
 Marina. The very small size is extremely distinctive, but that being said 
 there are smaller Double-crested Cormorants out there, while the effects of 
 position and lighting on sitting birds (due to uneveness in the breakwall 
 surface) can cause some Double-cresteds to look quite small at times. We had 
 the bird sitting up and preening somewhat off on its own initially, but later 
 next to a DCCO that flew in and landed near it. I also saw the bird briefly 
 in-flight and re-locating to another portion of the breakwall after the they 
 were flushed by a boat. It was present up until dark and evidently was 
 roosting on the breakwall with the group of Double-crested's and various 
 gulls and terns.
 
 The light there is best in the early morning and the best viewing of the 
 breakwalls is from the tower at Erie Basin Marina, but decent views of the 
 same outermost breakwall can be had from the hill at the end of Wilkeson 
 Point Park along Fuhrmann Blvd (in the outer harbor south of Erie Basin). If 
 the bird re-located to any of the other (closer) breakwalls, it should be 
 identifiable with 100% certainty through a scope, but I would obviously 
 recommend if anyone has use of a canoe, kayak, or boat that it would be more 
 than worth trying to get out there and document (photograph) the bird if you 
 are willing to do so.
 
 
 Jim Pawlicki
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[kjmwp2]

Phalarope is directly in front of blind on edge of sandy island at 1:15pm

Kevin McGrath 
White plains NY 

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM, gle...@verizon.net gle...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
 happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
 bird!
  
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 Hauppauge, NY
 
 
   
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Robert Lewis]

Who do we contact? What email?  Will it actually be read?
Bob LewisSleep Hollow NY

  From: Joshua Malbin joshuamal...@gmail.com
 To: Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
Cc: Shaibal Mitra shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu; nysbirds-l 
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 12:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
Management
   
The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining the 
pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been too much 
rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to get it 
lower any faster.

Take that as you will.




On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
wrote:

  Shai,
 
 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
 
 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should 
be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
supposed to do.
 
 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
 
 
 
 
 .
 
 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
  
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
   From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
[birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
 
Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order. 
  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, 
the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date. 
  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there 
have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the 
several shorebirds reported out there. 
  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first. 
  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let  NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level. 
  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it) 
  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
Nersesian: 718-354-4665 
  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it 
is very frustrating!! 
  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all, 
  
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew  Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dear all, 
  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few years 
in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that drainage 
on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun clearing the trails 
to the pond. 
  The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond next 
week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor the 
levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline is 
available.  
  Cheers, 
  
  -- 
風 Swift as the wind 林　 Quiet as the forest
 火　Conquer like the fire
 山　Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu  The Art of War 
  

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

Joshua et al,

Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information for 
Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people you need 
to get in touch with.

Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

 (\__/)
 (= '.'=)
 () _ () 
 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

 On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin joshuamal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining 
 the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been 
 too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to 
 get it lower any faster.
 
 Take that as you will.
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
 wrote:
 Shai,
 
 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
 
 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
 replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff 
 should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably 
 they are supposed to do.
 
 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
 
 
 
 
 .
 
 
 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, 
 viscous, malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by 
 the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved 
 matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for 
 longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I 
 was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I 
 startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of 
 trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it 
 circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
 Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps 
 in his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
 From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
 [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
 [birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
 Management
 
 Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
 on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
 
 On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
 level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I 
 suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage 
 which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
 
 Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
 Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out 
 there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers 
 among the several shorebirds reported out there.
 
 With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
 Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and 
 rest. At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near 
 the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat 
 exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
 
 I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
 
 Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take 
 your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
 
 Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665
 
 Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, 
 it is very frustrating!!
 
 A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few 
 years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that 
 drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun 
 clearing the trails to the pond.
 
 The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond 
 

RE: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Larry Trachtenberg]

brilliant

From: bounce-119448913-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-119448913-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 2:52 PM
To: Andrew Baksh
Cc: Joshua Malbin; Arie Gilbert; Shaibal Mitra; nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
Management

Someone should report that a cat colony is being inundated- the water level 
will drop within the hour.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY


On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.commailto:birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua et al,

Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information for 
Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people you need 
to get in touch with.


Dave Taft: 718-338-3625tel:718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 
718-354-4665tel:718-354-4665

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzuhttp://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu  The Art of 
Warhttp://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War

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() _ ()
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On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin 
joshuamal...@gmail.commailto:joshuamal...@gmail.com wrote:
The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining the 
pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been too much 
rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do to get it 
lower any faster.
Take that as you will.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert 
ariegilb...@optonline.netmailto:ariegilb...@optonline.net wrote:
Shai,

Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?

I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been replaced 
the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should be 
attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
supposed to do.

What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?

Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.comhttp://WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 WWW.qcbirdclub.orghttp://WWW.qcbirdclub.org




.

On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north end 
this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to some 
extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged species such 
as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no 
shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from 
the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser 
Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly 
before drifting off over the bay.

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps in 
his year list up in the north country.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Andrew Baksh [birdingd...@gmail.commailto:birdingd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
To: nysbirds-l
Cc: Nyc ebirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water level 
read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the 
recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, the 
water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and Isaac 
Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there have all 
ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among the several 
shorebirds reported out there.

With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At 
the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the levels we 
need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South 
End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340tel:%28718%29%20318-4340 (pretty 
much 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Northern Harrier nesting at Jones Beach?

[Robert Paxton]

Hi Ardith and fellow NY birders,
A pair of Harriers at Jones Beach is nowadays a good find, but they
bred regularly on the south shore marshes not long ago. We had a pair
regularly just east of Gilgo Beach up to the 1980s, and we used to watch
the male drop a mouse to the female who rose up from where we assumed the
nest must be. They ought to breed still in Tobay, now that there is hardly
any human traffic there, but this is very late for an active nest unless an
earlier brood was destroyed.
Now find a Short-eared Owl - they bred at Tobay up to the 1970s at
least.
   Bob Paxton and Sarah Plimpton

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Ardith Bondi ard...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I know, I know, it's not a Phalarope. But, yesterday, as I was setting up
 my gear in the Teddy Roosevelt Nature Center parking lot, I heard a harrier
 call out behind me. When I turned around, there was a lot of commotion, and
 other birds flew off quite upset. I grabbed my camera as the Gray Ghost
 came shooting out of a tree carrying talons-full of moss. Lucky to get
 anything in focus, here's a shot
 http://ardithbondi.com/slideshow124.html#0

 It has been suggested to me that a Northern Harrier nesting at Jones Beach
 is unusual. I am putting this out there for any comments about that.

 Ardith Bondi

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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Mike]

Someone should report that a cat colony is being inundated- the water level 
will drop within the hour.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY



On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joshua et al,
 
 Do not waste your time calling the refuge, I posted the contact information 
 for Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian in another post, those are the people 
 you need to get in touch with.
 
 Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665
 
 風　Swift as the wind
 林　Quiet as the forest
 火　Conquer like the fire
 山　Steady as the mountain
 Sun Tzu  The Art of War
 
 (\__/)
 (= '.'=)
 () _ () 
 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
 
 Andrew Baksh
 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Joshua Malbin joshuamal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining 
 the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been 
 too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do 
 to get it lower any faster.
 
 Take that as you will.
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
 wrote:
 Shai,
 
 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
 
 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
 replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff 
 should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably 
 they are supposed to do.
 
 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
 
 
 
 
 .
 
 
 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, 
 viscous, malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by 
 the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had 
 improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat 
 for longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, 
 but I was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north 
 end. I startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full 
 canopy of trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling 
 disconsolately as it circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off 
 over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it 
 if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some 
 gaps in his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
 From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
 [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
 [birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level 
 Management
 
 Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation 
 on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
 
 On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
 level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I 
 suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage 
 which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
 
 Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
 Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out 
 there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt 
 Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.
 
 With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
 Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and 
 rest. At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near 
 the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat 
 exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
 
 I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
 
 Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take 
 your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
 
 Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665
 
 Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, 
 it is very frustrating!!
 
 A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few 
 years in monitoring the East 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Arie Gilbert]

  
  
Shai,

Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?

I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having
been replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that
NPS staff should be attending to the task of lowering the water
level as presumably they are supposed to do.

What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?

Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
 WWW.qcbirdclub.org 




.

On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra
  wrote:


  
  
  Watching water evaporate is dull,
especially when it is the turbid, viscous, malodorous, and
voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the
north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some
habitat for longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and
Stilt Sandpiper, but I was disappointed. There is no shorebird
habitat at all at the north end. I startled one Least Sandpiper
from the trail itself, under a full canopy of trees, and watched
a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it circled
the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 

Some photos of the dismal scene are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly
understand it if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy,
perhaps to tidy up some gaps in his year list up in the north
country.


Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

  
  From:
  bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu
  [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of
  Andrew Baksh [birdingd...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
  To: nysbirds-l
  Cc: Nyc ebirds
  Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East
  Pond Water Level Management

  
  

  Several people have recently contacted me about the
water level situation on the East Pond, so I thought a
visit and update was in order.
  
  
  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this
morning to take a water level read and to get a sense of
where the pond level is at. As I suspected, the recent
rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which
is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this
date.
  
  
  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging
on the prairies and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia
reported to me today that surveyors out there have all
ready seen multiple Wilson's
Phalaropes
and Stilt Sandpipers among the several shorebirds
reported out there.
  
  
  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is
critical that the East Pond, is ready for migrating
shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. At the
current drainage I don't see this pond getting
anywhere near the levels we need to be within the next
few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure on the South End
which where we start seeing mudflats first.
  
  
  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let 
  NPS officials know how concerned you are about
the East Pond water level.
  
  
  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they
  will take your information but I can't guarantee
  anything will come of it. it)
  

  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or
  Jennifer
  Nersesian:
  718-354-4665
  

  Maybe one year we will get it
  right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it is very
  frustrating!!
  

  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to
  all,
  
  
  
  
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25
  PM, Andrew 
Baksh birdingdude@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
Dear all,
  
  
  

[nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope yes!

[John J. Collins]

The previously reported Red Phalarope is still present as of this writing at 
the blind west of the parking lot at the Roosevelt Nature Center at Jones 
Beach.  A lifer for my friend Carol!

John J. Collins
Raritan NJ
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Jones Beach Phalarope location clarification Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[David Jordet]

Hello,
Just to clarify the phalarope is located at Jones Beach West End (JBWE -- 
Nassau County) NOT Jamaica Bay wildlife refuge (JBWR Queens County). 
These near identical acronyms looked like they might pose a problem for some. 
Hope this helps avoid navigation errors and wasted days-offs in search of this 
beautiful bird!

Dave Jordet 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:14 PM, kjm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Phalarope is directly in front of blind on edge of sandy island at 1:15pm
 
 Kevin McGrath 
 White plains NY 
 
 Kevin McGrath
 kjm...@gmail.com
 914 683 6965 home/work
 914 815  6798 cell
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM, gle...@verizon.net gle...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, 
 still happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me 
 on the bird!
  
 Glenn Quinn
 Hauppauge, NY
 
 
  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I suggest you read the e-mails I have been posting about the issue. The valve 
was never replaced--not sure where you got that from.

My latest e-mail has a link to a post from 2011 that should educate you more on 
how that process works and what was replaced back then.





風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
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 () _ () 
 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 Shai,
 
 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?
 
 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been 
 replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff should 
 be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably they are 
 supposed to do.
 
 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
 
 
 
 
 .
 
 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid, viscous, 
 malodorous, and voluminous water of the East Pond. I stopped by the north 
 end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had improved matters to 
 some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for longer-legged 
 species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I was 
 disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I 
 startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of 
 trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it 
 circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay. 
 
 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810
 
 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it if 
 Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some gaps 
 in his year list up in the north country. 
 
 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
 From: bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
 [bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh 
 [birdingd...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 To: nysbirds-l
 Cc: Nyc ebirds
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management
 
 Several people have recently contacted me about the water level situation on 
 the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.
 
 On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a water 
 level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I suspected, 
 the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage which is slow, 
 the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.
 
 Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies and 
 Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out there 
 have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt Sandpipers among 
 the several shorebirds reported out there.
 
 With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the East 
 Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and rest. 
 At the current drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere near the 
 levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO flat exposure 
 on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.
 
 I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how 
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.
 
 Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take your 
 information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)
 
 Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer 
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665
 
 Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For me, it 
 is very frustrating!!
 
 A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the 
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few 
 years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that 
 drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun 
 clearing the trails to the pond.
 
 The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond 
 next week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor 
 the levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline 
 is available. 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 -- 
 風 Swift as the wind
 林　 Quiet as the forest
 火　Conquer like the fire
 山　Steady as the mountain
 Sun Tzu  The Art of War
 
 (\__/)
 (= '.'=)

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I am glad Shai visited the East Pond and saw what I have been raising
awareness about for the past few weeks. We CANNOT...we MUST not give up
people, keep those e-mails and phone calls into NPS, we must convince them
that they have to take appropriate action to try and salvage this shorebird
season. I have no intention of giving up although a break for some northern
birding sounds good!

I shudder to think those juvenile shorebirds not being able to imprint the
East Pond into their migration route--we had that happen in 2011. See a
blog post from 2011 to understand what happened then -
http://birdingdude.blogspot.com/2011/08/tough-shorebirding-season-at-jamaica.html

I also visited the East Pond this morning with the same hopes as Shai.
Only, I went to the South End where the pond layout, is such that end is
the first to start showing flats. I could see that the water level is lower
but NO flats! There is some shoreline developing across from the Big John's
Overlook where I saw one Lesser Yellow Legs, but that is it!

I remain hopeful that weather and just maybe an NPS fix however short term
would save the season. I even suggested to them this morning that they
could remove the outflow flap all together and let the pond flow for awhile
to get caught up in terms of the water level draw down. That requires some
extra maintenance but it could be done. It would also give them a good idea
on what the the problem is, whether blockage vs leakage etc.

Mute Swans appear to be doing well though, I counted 127.



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu
wrote:

  Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid,
 viscous, malodorous, and *voluminous *water of the East Pond. I stopped
 by the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
 improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for
 longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I
 was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I
 startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of
 trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it
 circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay.

 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:


 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it
 if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some
 gaps in his year list up in the north country.

 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
  --
 *From:* bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
 bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh [
 birdingd...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 *To:* nysbirds-l
 *Cc:* Nyc ebirds
 *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level
 Management

   Several people have recently contacted me about the water level
 situation on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a
 water level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I
 suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage
 which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies
 and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out
 there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt
 Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.

  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the
 East Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and
 rest. At the *current* drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere
 near the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO
 flat exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take
 your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)

  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665

  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For
 me, it is very frustrating!!

  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,



 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all,

  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few
 years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that
 drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun
 clearing the trails to the pond.

  The 

Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Joshua Malbin]

The ranger I just spoke to at the refuge claims that they started draining
the pond early this year after problems last year, but that there has been
too much rain. He also says that at this point there's nothing they can do
to get it lower any faster.

Take that as you will.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net
wrote:

  Shai,

 Can you elaborate on this problem a bit more?

 I was under the impression that with the east pond's valve having been
 replaced the water level problem could be mitigated and that NPS staff
 should be attending to the task of lowering the water level as presumably
 they are supposed to do.

 What is the problem? Are they simply not doing their job?

 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY

 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org




 .


 On 7/13/2015 8:22 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:

 Watching water evaporate is dull, especially when it is the turbid,
 viscous, malodorous, and *voluminous *water of the East Pond. I stopped
 by the north end this morning, hoping that the recent dry weather had
 improved matters to some extent, perhaps enough to provide some habitat for
 longer-legged species such as Lesser Yellowlegs and Stilt Sandpiper, but I
 was disappointed. There is no shorebird habitat at all at the north end. I
 startled one Least Sandpiper from the trail itself, under a full canopy of
 trees, and watched a single Lesser Yellowlegs calling disconsolately as it
 circled the deep water repeatedly before drifting off over the bay.

 Some photos of the dismal scene are here:


 https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/LongIslandMiscellany2015#6170965175995819810

 I'm not sure what can be done at this point. I'd certainly understand it
 if Andrew were to take a break from his advocacy, perhaps to tidy up some
 gaps in his year list up in the north country.

 Shai Mitra
 Bay Shore
  --
 *From:* bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
 bounce-119426911-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh [
 birdingd...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 2:31 PM
 *To:* nysbirds-l
 *Cc:* Nyc ebirds
 *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level
 Management

   Several people have recently contacted me about the water level
 situation on the East Pond, so I thought a visit and update was in order.

  On this 4th of July, I visited the East Pond this morning to take a
 water level read and to get a sense of where the pond level is at. As I
 suspected, the recent rainfall has not helped compounded with drainage
 which is slow, the water level remains IMO, too high for this date.

  Reports out of Canada already show shorebirds staging on the prairies
 and Isaac Grant who is in Virginia reported to me today that surveyors out
 there have all ready seen multiple Wilson's Phalaropes and Stilt
 Sandpipers among the several shorebirds reported out there.

  With a West Pond basically out of commission, it is critical that the
 East Pond, is ready for migrating shorebirds who need a place to refuel and
 rest. At the *current* drainage I don't see this pond getting anywhere
 near the levels we need to be within the next few weeks as we have ZERO
 flat exposure on the South End which where we start seeing mudflats first.

  I suggest to start calling these numbers to let NPS officials know how
 concerned you are about the East Pond water level.

  Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge: (718) 318-4340 (pretty much they will take
 your information but I can't guarantee anything will come of it. it)

  Alternatively, you could contact Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer
 Nersesian: 718-354-4665

  Maybe one year we will get it right and this won't be necessary.  For
 me, it is very frustrating!!

  A Happy and Safe 4th of July to all,



 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all,

  As we are nearing mid June, some of us are already thinking about the
 upcoming shorebird season. I have been working with NPS over the last few
 years in monitoring the East Pond water levels and I wanted to report that
 drainage on the pond has begun for 2015.  Additionally, I have begun
 clearing the trails to the pond.

  The lowering of the pond takes some time so please don't go to the pond
 next week and post that the water level is high. I will continue to monitor
 the levels and report again on the status of the pond once ample shoreline
 is available.

  Cheers,


  --
   風 Swift as the wind
 林 Quiet as the forest
 火 Conquer like the fire
 山 Steady as the mountain
 Sun Tzu http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu  *The Art of War*
 http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War

  (\__/)
 (= '.'=)

 () _ ()


  Andrew Baksh
 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com




  --
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 林 Quiet as the forest
 火 Conquer like the fire
 山 Steady as the mountain
 Sun Tzu http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu  *The Art of War*
 http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War

  

Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope, JBWE, YES

[Queensgirl]

Still feeding at 2nd pond when I arrived at 11:15am, observed with Brooklyn 
birders Cathy and Karen. Flew to 1st pond (nearest to Nature Center) around 
noon, where it sat at the far end and, after 30 minutes, flew left, possibly 
into the phragmites area. Birders are at the location now, waiting for the 
phalarope to re-appear. 

Donna Schulman
Forest Hills, NY

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:28 AM, gle...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Red Phalarope was easily viewed on the 2nd pond this morning at 7:15AM, still 
 happily feeding at 8:45AM when I left. Thanks to Drew H for putting me on the 
 bird!
  
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[nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[John Askildsen]

 susan herbst,


a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
problem is that
in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to mention 
federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 


unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
through organized public pressure. the biggest achilles heal for public 
officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, things 
will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the jamaica bay 
coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is resolved, but 
strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is funded, managed and 
staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, wildlife and its usership. 


until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond  
'gook'. in  recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the NWR 
system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares about 
JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active recreation where 
there is probably big grant money available, which offers more job security for 
NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little job security in making 
shorebirds happy. 


 John Askildsen 
Millbrook, New York

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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Arie Gilbert]

All,

Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
excellent for birding.


1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.


2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
breach has not been repaired.


3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
of the water. The valve has not been replaced.


While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
building platforms and fences.


Wildlife refuge?  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS on 
their neglect of JB.



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North Babylon, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[SUSAN HERBST]

I realize I am a complete lurker to this subject and only a very 
sporadic visitor to Jamaica Bay WF.
It seems to me that perhaps this should be approached in a different 
way. 
Perhaps various Audubon societies and birding associations in the area 
should organize, find sponsors and volunteer the time and workforce to 
get this stuff done.
It seems to me a lot of time is spent there by birders anyway, that the 
complaints have gone on for years, and that the NWR system is 
overburdened and underfunded. It seems to me that in this day and age, 
that's how restorations and upkeep gets done in historic buildings and 
parks.
It's just a thought.
Don't beat me up.
S




Susan Herbst
graphic design/illustration/photography
516-633-7730
susie...@optonline.net


On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:53 PM, Arie Gilbert wrote:

 All,

 Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
 excellent for birding.

 1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
 water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
 been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.

 2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
 breach has not been repaired.

 3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
 of the water. The valve has not been replaced.

 While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
 building platforms and fences.

 Wildlife refuge?  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS 
 on their neglect of JB.


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Re:[nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Thomas Fiore]

on this ongoing issue at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, Queens Co. (N.Y.  
City)

Please correct if incorrect, but there is a relatively recent  
agreement with the City of New York's Parks Dept., that does not  
appear to transfer any management/decision-making back to the city**   
These issues likely need to be addressed most to,  by, the top  
administrators at Gateway National Recreation Area (Ms. Jennifer  
Nersesian is the head administrator there) and possibly on up the  
chain to the Washington DC offices of the National Parks Service.  The  
city of New York once owned and managed Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge,  
and (I believe) the laws that were applicable to its management were  
different from those that apply now. For what it may be worth, and it  
is important to understand to those who do not see a difference, the  
management of the Jamaica Bay Refuge is under the purvey of a  
National Recreation Area, with an emphasis on the word:  
Recreation... hardly my preference nor that of anyone I know in the  
naturalist community who have visited Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, it  
has had a lot of consequences to how things are managed there,  
particularly in recent times.  I would emphasize that as of now, the  
people Andrew Baksh has suggested we contact, as well as the ideas put  
forth by John Askildsen, be considered in earnest.  It will only  
happen if enough of us make our voices heard to those who administrate  
and who are meant to serve the public, we the people...

As already noted by Andrew Baksh -
 
I posted the contact information for Dave Taft and Jennifer Nersesian  
in another post, those are the people you need to get in touch with.

Dave Taft: 718-338-3625 or Jennifer Nersesian: 718-354-4665


Again, Ms. Nersesian is the head administrator of Gateway National  
Recreation Area.   I would also tend to agree with at least most if  
not all of what John Askildsen posted, in part in response to Susan  
Herbst's prior post, in that there will be more action taken in favor  
of bird /or habitat protection when pressure is applied and in part,  
in addition to actual letters to elected representative (a physical,  
paper  ink letter, sent in the old USPS system, is considered to have  
the most impact of all ways of contacting a representative or an  
official, or for that matter anyone in a public position even in our  
age of mobile media. A phone call is also good, and an email is also  
good. Adding one's name to a petition can be useful but individual,  
personal input to one's elected officials and other public servants  
are likely to make a stronger impression overall.)  Another thought is  
that writers / editors for local newspapers and magazines, producers   
others with TV  radio programs,  web site managers might be  
contacted along with your local or regional birding or environmental  
group. (If a negatively-inclined piece appeared in, let's say, the NY  
Times, you can be sure that folks behind desks at the National Parks  
Service will quickly be made aware of that, and they will also be  
aware if they receive praise in public for work well-done, when such  
takes place, that is!) Also, being respectful and informed is a given  
with feedback to any public official for there to be a chance for a  
positive response.

Some of the additional ideas on volunteerism are of interest and could  
potentially be of worth, but an issue that must be dealt with are  
those in charge of management at the Refuge (or any other public lands  
locations  issues). The area in discussion must be seen as in need of  
work,  that work is in need of being done prior to now. We won't get  
a volunteer effort going (on the projects at issue here) without the  
approval of top management; their opinion  decisions can be affected  
in part by our input.

sincerely, Tom Fiore, Manhattan (one of many long-time Jamaica Bay  
Wildlife Refuge visitors  former volunteer for NPS Piping Plover  
protection effort), New York City.

** those who wish to may read at least some of the transfer agreements  
via NYC.gov web pages, they can take a bit of navigating to reach the  
legalities involved therein.
_
On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Christina Wilkinson wrote:

 The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS.   
 Any complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City  
 of New York:
 http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways

 You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
 http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html
 There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/

 Christina Wilkinson
 Queens, NY
 _
 On July 13, 2015 5:17 PM, John Askildsen wrote:
 [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

 a good thought on your part. unless andrew baksh can say otherwise  
 with his knowledge of the inner workings of the national park  
 service, in my view the problem is that in this day and age, the  
 

Re: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Christina Wilkinson]

The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS. Any 
complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City of New York: 
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways 


You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html 

There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/ 


Christina Wilkinson 
Queens, NY 

- Original Message -

From: John Askildsen askild...@verizon.net 
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:17:27 PM 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels 

susan herbst, 


a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
problem is that 
in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to mention 
federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 


unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
through organized public pressure. the biggest achilles heal for public 
officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, things 
will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the jamaica bay 
coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is resolved, but 
strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is funded, managed and 
staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, wildlife and its usership. 


until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond 
'gook'. in recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the NWR 
system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares about 
JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active recreation where 
there is probably big grant money available, which offers more job security for 
NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little job security in making 
shorebirds happy. 


John Askildsen 
Millbrook, New York 

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[nysbirds-l] Syracuse RBA

[Joseph Brin]

RBA *  New York*  Syracuse* July 13 2015*  NYSY  07. 13. 15 Hotline: Syracuse 
Rare bird AlertDates(s):July 06, 2015 - July 13, 2015to report by e-mail: 
brinjoseph AT yahoo.comcovering upstate NY counties: Cayuga, Montezuma National 
Wildlife Refugeand Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC) (just outside Cayuga 
County),Onondaga, Oswego, Lewis, Jefferson, Oneida, Herkimer,  Madison  
Cortlandcompiled: July 13  AT 5:00 p.m. (DST)compiler: Joseph BrinOnondaga 
Audubon Homepage: www.onondagaaudubon.org  #450 Monday July 13, 2015 Greetings. 
This is the Syracuse Area Rare Bird Alert for the week of July 06, 2014 
Highlights:---GREAT EGRETBLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERONGREATER 
YELLOWLEGSLESSER YELLOWLEGSSOLITARY SANDPIPERPECTORAL SANDPIPERSEMI-PALMATED 
SANDPIPERLEAST SANDPIPERSTILT SANDPIPERSHORT-BILLED DOWITCHERFISH CROWACADIAN 
FLYCATCHERCLAY-COLORED SPARROW


Montezuma National Wildlife Complex (MNWC) and Montezuma Wetlands Complex 
(MWC)
Note the nice upswing in migrating shorebirds this week.
     7/10: 2 LEAST BITTERNS were seen and photographed in the marshes on Morgon 
Road.     7/12: 235 LESSER YELLOWLEGS, 30 GREATER YELLOWLEGS, 7 SOLITARY 
SANDPIPERS 1 SPOTTED SANDPIPER, 2 KILLDEER and PEEP were all seen in 
Knox-Marsellus from Towpath Road.     7/13: 2 STILT SANDPIPERS, 6 SHORT-BILLED 
DOWITCHERS, LEAST SANDPIPERS,  SEMI-PALMATED SANDPIPERS,  GREATER and LESSER 
YELLOWLEGS, 4 SOLITARY SANDPIPERS and 16 GREAT EGRETS were seen in 
Knox-Marsellus Marsh.

Oswego County
     7/8: A CLAY-COLORED SPARROW was heard briefly in Constantia.     7/10: 2 
FISH CROWS remain in Phoenix near the Oswego River.

Onondaga County
     7/10: An ACADIAN FLYCATCHER was again found in Whiskey Hollow.     7/12: 2 
FISH CROWS were seen along the Seneca River in Baldwinsville.

Cayuga county
     7/11: 3 ACADIAN FLYCATCHERS were found at the Sterling Nature Center.

Oneida County
     7/12: A BLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERON was found on Preston Hill Road north of 
Oneida Lake.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels

[Michael Zito]

what about trying to do a gofundme or something like that to help raise funds 
for some of these projects? 

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Christina Wilkinson nutrich...@rcn.com wrote:
 
 The Refuge is already being overseen by NYC Parks as well as NPS.  Any 
 complaints about maintenance should also be directed at the City of New York:
 http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/jamaica-bay-and-the-rockaways
 
 You can contact the commissioner via this form: 
 http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html
 
 There's also a Jamaica Bay-Rockaway Parks Conservancy: http://www.jbrpc.org/
 
 Christina Wilkinson
 Queens, NY
 
 From: John Askildsen askild...@verizon.net
 To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:17:27 PM
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] JBWR East Pond Water Levels
 
  susan herbst,
 
 
 a good thought on your part. unless andrew backsh can say otherwise with his 
 knowledge of the inner workings of the national park service, in my view the 
 problem is that
 in this day and age, the issues of liabilities and lawsuits would very likely 
 prevent any volunteer from working on levees and release valves, not to 
 mention federal union rules about workforce mgmt concerns. 
 
 
 unfortunately, from my past experience, the only way to solve the problem is 
 through organized public pressure. the biggest achilles heal for public 
 officials is public opinion. if the public is mad enough to raise enough 
 commotion with congressional representatives in both sides of the house, 
 things will change. until then, birders concerns fall on deaf ears. the 
 jamaica bay coalition should not disband after the west pond issue is 
 resolved, but strengthen and follow through to make sure that the JBWR is 
 funded, managed and staffed to meet the needs of the refuge ecosystem, 
 wildlife and its usership. 
 
 
 until we take that approach, we will be standing up to our knees in east pond 
  'gook'. in  recent years, i have been in favor of transferring JBWR to the 
 NWR system, and taking out of the hands of the NPS, who seem to care not for 
 managing for wildlife, but only for skateboard parks, bicycle paths and 
 ballfields. i don't think that top management in NPS Gateway really cares 
 about JBWR, birds or birders. in my opinion, They care about active 
 recreation where there is probably big grant money available, which offers 
 more job security for NPS/Gateway staff. I would imagine that there is little 
 job security in making shorebirds happy. 
 
 
  John Askildsen 
 Millbrook, New York
 
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[nysbirds-l] Manhattan Ravens

[Anthony Collerton]

The West Side Ravens have been in the West 40s the last few days.  Right now in 
Gotham West 43/11th, yesterday on the USS Intrepid.  Only 3 birds though, 
thought they fledged more young.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] 7-4 Jamaica Bay Queens East Pond Water Level Management

[Andrew Baksh]

I just found out that the Young Birders Club had a scheduled trip to the East 
Pond this weekend. Guess they could cancel or switch to kayaking? Maybe a 
bucket brigade...teach the young uns the privilege of shorebirding does not 
come easy.

All of this made known to the relevant authorities in NPS will apply the much 
needed pressure to get the East Pond issue resolved.


風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:10 PM, SUSAN HERBST susie...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 I realize I am a complete lurker to this subject and only a very 
 sporadic visitor to Jamaica Bay WF.
 It seems to me that perhaps this should be approached in a different 
 way. 
 Perhaps various Audubon societies and birding associations in the area 
 should organize, find sponsors and volunteer the time and workforce to 
 get this stuff done.
 It seems to me a lot of time is spent there by birders anyway, that the 
 complaints have gone on for years, and that the NWR system is 
 overburdened and underfunded. It seems to me that in this day and age, 
 that's how restorations and upkeep gets done in historic buildings and 
 parks.
 It's just a thought.
 Don't beat me up.
 S
 
 
 
 
 Susan Herbst
 graphic design/illustration/photography
 516-633-7730
 susie...@optonline.net
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:53 PM, Arie Gilbert wrote:
 
 All,
 
 Jamaica Bay has three artificial water features. They *had* been 
 excellent for birding.
 
 1. A tiny artificial pond in the gardens with a leaky pond liner and a 
 water supply that was shut off due to a leaky pipe. The liner has not 
 been repaired or replaced, and the leaking pipe has not been repaired.
 
 2. The west pond which was breached in 2012 by Hurricane Sandy. The 
 breach has not been repaired.
 
 3. The east pond with a nonfunctional valve system preventing draining 
 of the water. The valve has not been replaced.
 
 While these features have been ignored for years, they have been 
 building platforms and fences.
 
 Wildlife refuge?  yeah, right. It's time we all called out the NPS 
 on their neglect of JB.
 
 
 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY
 
 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 WWW.qcbirdclub.org
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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