RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

[Joe Jannsen]

Yes, oystercatchers are protected by the MBTA.  MBTA does not include 
harassment, so for it to apply, you would need a direct take of an adult or 
eggs at this stage, or of chicks if it gets to that point.

Joe

From: TURNER 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:14 PM
To: Joe Jannsen ; Gus Keri ; Smith, Jason Y 
(DEC) ; Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 

Subject: RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach


Wouldn't MBTA protect oystercatchers?



John T.
On May 27, 2021 at 5:54 PM Joe Jannsen 
mailto:jjann...@tnc.org>> wrote:

Yes—that was already arranged with NPS.



Thanks for also following up.



Joe



From: 
bounce-125669674-10871...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-125669674-10871...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:33 PM
To: Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov>>; Birding alert, 
NYSBirds, Birding alert mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach



Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
Gus

 On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov>> wrote 
> div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 0; 
> margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
> Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try and get 
> to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the nest.
> It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they can get 
> the area marked off before anything happens.
> Jason
> Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we 
> created them" -Einstein
>
>
>
>
> From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
> To: gusk...@zoho.com 
> mailto:gusk...@zoho.com>>
> Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
> I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional office. A 
> co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach.
> While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with where 
> the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
> Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
> Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are responsible 
> for managing that property and it is generally managed as a recreational 
> access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or waterbirds. 
> Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and a rest area 
> for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there is a lot of 
> recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs usually take 
> them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but largely goes 
> unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
> The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that is 
> preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
> preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
> ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
> that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
> Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
> environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
> the ...www.nycgovparks.org
> This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to Oystercatchers. 
> So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a compromise for 
> the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers would only nest 
> across the channel(north of the marina and south of the bridge crossing the 
> channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are likely seeing them 
> (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of the beach) that would 
> eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently suited obviously, otherwise 
> the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could be set up to.
>
> The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high level 
> of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
> I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they are 
> aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
> American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
> endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take any 
> action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
> locations in the past, so there is hope.
> From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks and 
> see if they c

[nysbirds-l] Central Park NYC, Thu. May 27, 2021: 10 Species of Wood Warblers incl. Blackburnian and Bay-breasted warblers

[Deborah Allen]

Central Park NYC
Thursday May 27, 2021
OBS: Robert DeCandido, PhD, Deborah Allen, m.ob.

Highlights: 10 Species of Wood Warblers including Blackburnian and Bay-breasted 
warblers. 

Canada Goose - 16
Wood Duck - male Reservoir (Deb-after lunch)
Gadwall - pair turtle Pond
Mallard - half-a-dozen
Mourning Dove - 10-15
Chimney Swift - around 10
Herring Gull - 47
Great Black-backed Gull - 9
Double-crested Cormorant - 11
Great Egret - 1 Reservoir
Red-bellied Woodpecker - 3 or 4
Northern Flicker - pair in Ramble near Warbler Rock
Great Crested Flycatcher - 3 or 4
Eastern Kingbird - pair Turtle Pond
Eastern Wood-Pewee - 3 or 4
Warbling Vireo - 1 south side of Turtle Pond
Red-eyed Vireo - 3-5
Blue Jay - 3-5
American Crow - 4 on Great Lawn (Bob-early)
Barn Swallow - adult male S. Gate House Reservoir prob. nest (Deb-after lunch)
Black-capped Chickadee - 1 Humming Tombstone
White-breasted Nuthatch - 1 Humming Tombstone
Swainson's Thrush - 1 Tanner's Spring (Deb-after lunch)
American Robin - 20-30
Gray Catbird - 7-12
House Finch - 4
White-throated Sparrow - 3-5
Orchard Oriole - singing 2nd-year male with a bit of maroon below the black bib 
at Turtle Pond
Baltimore Oriole - 5-7
Red-winged Blackbird - 5-10
Ovenbird - 1 Tanner's Spring (Deb - after lunch)
Black-and-white Warbler - 3
American Redstart - 10-15
Northern Parula - 1 male Warbler Rock
Magnolia Warbler - 3
Bay-breasted Warbler - 1 male Humming Tombstone
Blackburnian Warbler - 1 female Humming Tombstone
Blackpoll Warbler - 10
Black-throated Green Warbler - 1 female Tupelo Field
Canada Warbler - 1 or 2 females (1 Warbler Rock & 1 Summer House)
Northern Cardinal - 5-10
--
Sandra Critelli reported the Olive-sided Flycatcher again just west of Humming 
Tombstone this evening.
--
For up-to-the-minute reports on Central Park Birds see the Manhattan Bird Alert 
@BirdCentralPark maintained by David Barrett.
--

Deb Allen







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Please submit your observations to eBird:
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

[TURNER]

Wouldn't MBTA protect oystercatchers? 


John T. 

> On May 27, 2021 at 5:54 PM Joe Jannsen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes—that was already arranged with NPS. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for also following up.
> 
>  
> 
> Joe
> 
>  
> 
> From: bounce-125669674-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Gus Keri
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:33 PM
> To: Smith, Jason Y (DEC) ; Birding alert, 
> NYSBirds, Birding alert 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
> I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
> Gus
> 
>  On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
> mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov > wrote 
> > div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 
> 0; margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
> > Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try 
> and get to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the 
> nest.
> > It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they 
> can get the area marked off before anything happens.
> > Jason
> > Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> > New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> > 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> > Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> > Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used 
> when we created them" -Einstein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
> > To: gusk...@zoho.com mailto:gusk...@zoho.com  mailto:gusk...@zoho.com >
> > Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
> > I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional 
> office. A co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at 
> Plumb Beach.
> > While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with 
> where the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
> Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
> > Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are 
> responsible for managing that property and it is generally managed as a 
> recreational access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or 
> waterbirds. Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and 
> a rest area for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there 
> is a lot of recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs 
> usually take them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but 
> largely goes unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
> > The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that 
> is preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
> preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
> ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
> that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
> Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
> environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
> the ...www.nycgovparks.org
> > This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to 
> Oystercatchers. So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a 
> compromise for the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers 
> would only nest across the channel(north of the marina and south of the 
> bridge crossing the channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are 
> likely seeing them (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of 
> the beach) that would eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently 
> suited obviously, otherwise the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could 
> be set up to.
> >
> > The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high 
> level of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
> > I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they 
> are aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
> American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
> endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take any 
> action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
> locations in the past, so there is hope.
> > From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks 
> and see if they can't provide some signs near the concessions/restroom area 
> that alert visitors to the potential for encountering beach nesting birds 
> (and migratory shorebird stopovers too...both NPS and Parks acknowledge the 
> area for important horseshoe crab spawning area that it is). And re-enforce 
> the dog leash law for

RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

[Joe Jannsen]

Yes—that was already arranged with NPS.

Thanks for also following up.

Joe

From: bounce-125669674-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:33 PM
To: Smith, Jason Y (DEC) ; Birding alert, NYSBirds, 
Birding alert 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
Gus

 On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov>> wrote 
> div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 0; 
> margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
> Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try and get 
> to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the nest.
> It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they can get 
> the area marked off before anything happens.
> Jason
> Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we 
> created them" -Einstein
>
>
>
>
> From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
> To: gusk...@zoho.com 
> mailto:gusk...@zoho.com>>
> Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
> I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional office. A 
> co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach.
> While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with where 
> the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
> Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
> Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are responsible 
> for managing that property and it is generally managed as a recreational 
> access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or waterbirds. 
> Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and a rest area 
> for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there is a lot of 
> recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs usually take 
> them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but largely goes 
> unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
> The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that is 
> preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
> preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
> ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
> that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
> Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
> environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
> the ...www.nycgovparks.org
> This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to Oystercatchers. 
> So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a compromise for 
> the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers would only nest 
> across the channel(north of the marina and south of the bridge crossing the 
> channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are likely seeing them 
> (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of the beach) that would 
> eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently suited obviously, otherwise 
> the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could be set up to.
>
> The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high level 
> of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
> I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they are 
> aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
> American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
> endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take any 
> action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
> locations in the past, so there is hope.
> From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks and 
> see if they can't provide some signs near the concessions/restroom area that 
> alert visitors to the potential for encountering beach nesting birds (and 
> migratory shorebird stopovers too...both NPS and Parks acknowledge the area 
> for important horseshoe crab spawning area that it is). And re-enforce the 
> dog leash law for the area. Again, I cannot require them to do so.
> To your point Gus, this area has seen a lot of nesting attempts by American 
> Oystercatchers over the last several years. It may be time to reconsider how 
> the area is viewed, and maybe a solution which allows for some areas to be 
> sheltered from recreational activities can be found in the future.
> I will try to keep you updated as to any p

Re: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

[Joe Jannsen]

Yes—that was already arranged with NPS.  Thanks for also following up.

Joe

On May 27, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Gus Keri  wrote:

 Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
Gus

 On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
 wrote 
> div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 0; 
> margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
> Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try and get 
> to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the nest.
> It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they can get 
> the area marked off before anything happens.
> Jason
> Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we 
> created them" -Einstein
>
>
>
>
> From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
> To: gusk...@zoho.com 
> Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
> I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional office. A 
> co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach.
> While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with where 
> the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
> Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
> Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are responsible 
> for managing that property and it is generally managed as a recreational 
> access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or waterbirds. 
> Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and a rest area 
> for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there is a lot of 
> recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs usually take 
> them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but largely goes 
> unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
> The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that is 
> preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
> preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
> ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
> that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
> Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
> environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
> the ...www.nycgovparks.org
> This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to Oystercatchers. 
> So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a compromise for 
> the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers would only nest 
> across the channel(north of the marina and south of the bridge crossing the 
> channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are likely seeing them 
> (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of the beach) that would 
> eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently suited obviously, otherwise 
> the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could be set up to.
>
> The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high level 
> of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
> I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they are 
> aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
> American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
> endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take any 
> action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
> locations in the past, so there is hope.
> From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks and 
> see if they can't provide some signs near the concessions/restroom area that 
> alert visitors to the potential for encountering beach nesting birds (and 
> migratory shorebird stopovers too...both NPS and Parks acknowledge the area 
> for important horseshoe crab spawning area that it is). And re-enforce the 
> dog leash law for the area. Again, I cannot require them to do so.
> To your point Gus, this area has seen a lot of nesting attempts by American 
> Oystercatchers over the last several years. It may be time to reconsider how 
> the area is viewed, and maybe a solution which allows for some areas to be 
> sheltered from recreational activities can be found in the future.
> I will try to keep you updated as to any progress I am able to make with 
> protecting the current nest.
> Best,Jason
> Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> "

Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

[Gus Keri]

Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
Gus

  On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
 wrote 
 > div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 0; 
 > margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
 > Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try and 
 > get to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the 
 > nest.
 > It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they can get 
 > the area marked off before anything happens.
 > Jason
 > Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
 > New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
 > 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
 > Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
 > Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
 > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we 
 > created them" -Einstein
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
 > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
 > To: gusk...@zoho.com 
 > Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
 > I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional office. 
 > A co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at Plumb 
 > Beach.
 > While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with 
 > where the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
 > Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
 > Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are 
 > responsible for managing that property and it is generally managed as a 
 > recreational access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or 
 > waterbirds. Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and 
 > a rest area for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there 
 > is a lot of recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs 
 > usually take them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but 
 > largely goes unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
 > The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that is 
 > preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
 > preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
 > ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
 > that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
 > Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
 > environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
 > the ...www.nycgovparks.org 
 > This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to Oystercatchers. 
 > So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a compromise for 
 > the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers would only nest 
 > across the channel(north of the marina and south of the bridge crossing the 
 > channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are likely seeing them 
 > (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of the beach) that 
 > would eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently suited obviously, 
 > otherwise the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could be set up to.
 > 
 > The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high 
 > level of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
 > I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they are 
 > aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
 > American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
 > endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take 
 > any action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
 > locations in the past, so there is hope.
 > From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks and 
 > see if they can't provide some signs near the concessions/restroom area that 
 > alert visitors to the potential for encountering beach nesting birds (and 
 > migratory shorebird stopovers too...both NPS and Parks acknowledge the area 
 > for important horseshoe crab spawning area that it is). And re-enforce the 
 > dog leash law for the area. Again, I cannot require them to do so.
 > To your point Gus, this area has seen a lot of nesting attempts by American 
 > Oystercatchers over the last several years. It may be time to reconsider how 
 > the area is viewed, and maybe a solution which allows for some areas to be 
 > sheltered from recreational activities can be found in the future.
 > I will try to keep you updated as to any progress I am able to make with 
 > protecting the current nest.
 > Best,Jason
 > Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
 > New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
 > 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
 > Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
 > Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
 > "We can't solve problems by using

[nysbirds-l] Brown Booby on Staten Island

[isaac grant]

An adult Brown Booby was first found in NJ very close to NY waters. I was
able to re find it clearly on the New York side along with Seth Wollney.
Best public access to where it was flying around is at the intersection of
Van Name Avenue and Richmond Terrace. Look out towards NJ. Use these
coordinates 40.636885, -74.152865. There is a small pier you can walk out
on at a few feet away at the end of Van Pelt and Richmond Terrace.

Good luck if you go.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach

[Gus Keri]

Thank you very much, Joe.

  On Thu, 27 May 2021 10:28:38 -0400 Joe Jannsen  wrote 

 > 
 > Gus,
 >  
 > I forwarded this to NPS.  Hopefully they can get out there this year to help 
 > this pair.
 >  
 > Thanks.
 >  
 > Joe
 >  
 > From: bounce-125668354-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
 > On Behalf Of Gus Keri
 > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:22 AM
 > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
 > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach
 >  
 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I hesitated before I wrote this email because I was not sure if this poor 
 > creature can be helped. Last year, I wrote similar email but it didn't help. 
 > I am hoping this time, things will be different.
 > 
 > Last week, I found an Oystercatcher nest on Plumb beach with two eggs and 
 > the parent kept getting flushed by the many people and dogs that roam this 
 > beach. There was two eggs in the nest. I only mentioned this issue to few 
 > birders who were there at the time, but I didn't have high hope that this 
 > nest will survive this God-forsaken place.
 > 
 > Two days ago, I went there again and to my pleasant surprise, I found the 
 > nest still intact and there were three eggs instead of two. But again, the 
 > people and dogs kept flushing this poor Oystercatcher away from the nest 
 > every few minutes.
 > 
 > And while walking there, I noticed a man approaching the same area, not 
 > knowing there was a nest. I had to run to him and alert him to the presence 
 > of the nest, so he wouldn't step on the eggs accidently.
 > 
 > Last year, the park (or beach) authority promised to do something to protect 
 > the nest but they were late and the nest was destroyed in the following 
 > couple of days. I am sorry I don't remember the person who communicated with 
 > them then.
 > 
 > Can they do something to help this nest now?
 > 
 > Here is video I shot of the bird getting back to the nest and sitting on the 
 > eggs.
 > https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/1397725094907101186
 > 
 > Gus Keri 
 > 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach

[Joe Jannsen]

Gus,

I forwarded this to NPS.  Hopefully they can get out there this year to help 
this pair.

Thanks.

Joe

From: bounce-125668354-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Gus Keri
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:22 AM
To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach

Hi everyone,

I hesitated before I wrote this email because I was not sure if this poor 
creature can be helped. Last year, I wrote similar email but it didn't help. I 
am hoping this time, things will be different.

Last week, I found an Oystercatcher nest on Plumb beach with two eggs and the 
parent kept getting flushed by the many people and dogs that roam this beach. 
There was two eggs in the nest. I only mentioned this issue to few birders who 
were there at the time, but I didn't have high hope that this nest will survive 
this God-forsaken place.

Two days ago, I went there again and to my pleasant surprise, I found the nest 
still intact and there were three eggs instead of two. But again, the people 
and dogs kept flushing this poor Oystercatcher away from the nest every few 
minutes.

And while walking there, I noticed a man approaching the same area, not knowing 
there was a nest. I had to run to him and alert him to the presence of the 
nest, so he wouldn't step on the eggs accidently.

Last year, the park (or beach) authority promised to do something to protect 
the nest but they were late and the nest was destroyed in the following couple 
of days. I am sorry I don't remember the person who communicated with them then.

Can they do something to help this nest now?

Here is video I shot of the bird getting back to the nest and sitting on the 
eggs.
https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/1397725094907101186

Gus Keri


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[nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest at Plumb Beach

[Gus Keri]

Hi everyone,

I hesitated before I wrote this email because I was not sure if this poor 
creature can be helped. Last year, I wrote similar email but it didn't help. I 
am hoping this time, things will be different.

Last week, I found an Oystercatcher nest on Plumb beach with two eggs and the 
parent kept getting flushed by the many people and dogs that roam this beach. 
There was two eggs in the nest. I only mentioned this issue to few birders who 
were there at the time, but I didn't have high hope that this nest will survive 
this God-forsaken place.

Two days ago, I went there again and to my pleasant surprise, I found the nest 
still intact and there were three eggs instead of two. But again, the people 
and dogs kept flushing this poor Oystercatcher away from the nest every few 
minutes. 

And while walking there, I noticed a man approaching the same area, not knowing 
there was a nest. I had to run to him and alert him to the presence of the 
nest, so he wouldn't step on the eggs accidently. 

Last year, the park (or beach) authority promised to do something to protect 
the nest but they were late and the nest was destroyed in the following couple 
of days. I am sorry I don't remember the person who communicated with them then.

Can they do something to help this nest now?

Here is video I shot of the bird getting back to the nest and sitting on the 
eggs.
https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/1397725094907101186

Gus Keri 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] dark eyed white-eyed vireo in late May?

[Shaibal Mitra]

Anything is possible with pigementation characters, but White-eyed Vireo would 
be a vagrant in Arizona. The most obvious possibility is that it was a Bell's 
Vireo.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] dark eyed white-eyed vireo in late May?

Has anyone ever had a juvenile white-eyed vireo in late May?  I had a bird in 
AZ that looked just like a white-eyed vireo but it's eye was dark.  I know the 
juveniles have dark eyes, but I've always been puzzled that it was dark at that 
time of year.  I would think they haven't even fledged at that time.  I thought 
of maybe a Mexican species but there are none that look like the white-eyed and 
have a dark eye.  Just wondering.

Andrew

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[nysbirds-l] dark eyed white-eyed vireo in late May?

[Andrew Block]

Has anyone ever had a juvenile white-eyed vireo in late May?  I had a bird in 
AZ that looked just like a white-eyed vireo but it's eye was dark.  I know the 
juveniles have dark eyes, but I've always been puzzled that it was dark at that 
time of year.  I would think they haven't even fledged at that time.  I thought 
of maybe a Mexican species but there are none that look like the white-eyed and 
have a dark eye.  Just wondering.
Andrew
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