Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That is for state parks. Breezy is a federal park.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:22:53 PM EST, Jack Rothman 
 wrote:  
 
 I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. The process was quite simple. It was purchased 
from NYSDEC. I also purchased a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from 
NYCDEP.
Jack Rothman



On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That is for state parks. Breezy is a federal park.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:22:53 PM EST, Jack Rothman 
 wrote:  
 
 I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. The process was quite simple. It was purchased 
from NYSDEC. I also purchased a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from 
NYCDEP.
Jack Rothman



On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 From what I've been told, in order to buy the fishing parking permit you 
actually have to show up at the Ryan Visitor Center at Floyd Bennett Field 
carrying a fishing rod. I don't know if that really is required, but people I 
know who have the permit say they did that.I wonder how it'd go over if we 
showed up carrying a bucket of fish?
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 08:46:42 PM EST, Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:  
 
 We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 From what I've been told, in order to buy the fishing parking permit you 
actually have to show up at the Ryan Visitor Center at Floyd Bennett Field 
carrying a fishing rod. I don't know if that really is required, but people I 
know who have the permit say they did that.I wonder how it'd go over if we 
showed up carrying a bucket of fish?
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 08:46:42 PM EST, Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:  
 
 We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to the 
Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just over the 
Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be accessible 
to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in recent years 
has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity in visitors. 
Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated community and a few 
permit holders is not in keeping with their stated values regarding a public 
resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the 
Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt 
and may attract attention. 
(And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
 wrote:  
 
 This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to the 
Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just over the 
Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be accessible 
to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in recent years 
has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity in visitors. 
Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated community and a few 
permit holders is not in keeping with their stated values regarding a public 
resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the 
Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt 
and may attract attention. 
(And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
 wrote:  
 
 This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

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> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
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On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

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On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

[nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: Nelson’s Gull Central Park

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Would it also be possible to post the pictures somewhere that we all could 
view them?
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:32:34 AM EST, Andrew Baksh 
 wrote:  
 
 Were the details in support of Nelson’s shared? I second Angus’ suggestion as 
I am also keen would to see what were the details that excluded other 
possibilities.
Cheers,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

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On Feb 4, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Angus Wilson  wrote:



Hi Peter, 
I think it would be instructive to everyone if you could summarize the details 
that are supportive of Nelson's Gull and how other possibilities can be safely 
excluded. 
I'm a little concerned about the structure and coloring of the bill, although 
perhaps I've not seen the best photos.

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[nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: [nysbirds-l] Re: Nelson’s Gull Central Park

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Would it also be possible to post the pictures somewhere that we all could 
view them?
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:32:34 AM EST, Andrew Baksh 
 wrote:  
 
 Were the details in support of Nelson’s shared? I second Angus’ suggestion as 
I am also keen would to see what were the details that excluded other 
possibilities.
Cheers,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

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On Feb 4, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Angus Wilson  wrote:



Hi Peter, 
I think it would be instructive to everyone if you could summarize the details 
that are supportive of Nelson's Gull and how other possibilities can be safely 
excluded. 
I'm a little concerned about the structure and coloring of the bill, although 
perhaps I've not seen the best photos.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas Bird Count

[Adelia Honeywood]

 In a web browser on any checklist under checklist tools you can select to 
download the list as a .csv file which can be opened in any spreadsheet program 
such as Excel or Google sheets (which is free with a Google account). Depending 
on how many lists, it can take a couple of minutes to cut and paste them all 
together into a single spreadsheet. You can then sort the species column, 
combine the duplicate species totals and delete the duplicates. In Excel if you 
highlight the species column, select Conditional Formatting and Duplicate 
Values it will highlight where all the duplicates are.It sounds complicated, 
but it is actually pretty quick - 

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 01:13:00 PM EDT, Brent Bomkamp 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi all,
Another option, though somewhat cumbersome, is to look at your day list for the 
date of the CBC.  To do this, click on the "Sightings Lists" link underneath 
the "Explore My..." list on the left side of the main My eBird page.  Here's a 
link to the lists page: 
https://ebird.org/MyEBird?cmd=lifeList=life=world
On the top bar, click on the calendar icon and select the date you desire.  
While the number of individuals seen of each species is not visible here, you 
can view it by clicking on the "View All" button to the right of each species 
within this list and noting the total at the top of the page.
Not as convenient as the Summarize My Observations option, but still workable.
Best,
Brent
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Brendan Fogarty  wrote:

Hey Nancy,
The summarize feature is not gone permanently - eBird is transitioning all of 
its ancient pages to a new format and it is supposed to return within the year, 
but it could indeed pose a challenge for the CBCs if it isn’t fast-tracked. 
I am not sure what the most elegant solution for CBC listing is today. In eBird 
mobile (definitely for iOS, Android I can’t say for sure) one can choose “Trip 
Summaries” under “Checklists” and see all species counts for any given 
particular date range, including just one day. Minimizing the number of list 
keepers in a sector party would help here. The “Trip” report can be emailed 
out. 
Another option is to create a sector eBird account. Anyone keeping lists within 
the party can share their lists with that account. You can see a species list 
in the account’s “My eBird” but not species totals. For that you’d need to 
export its observations into Excel. Everything is likely getting summed in 
Excel by the coordinators anyway. 
I hope any other useful strategies will be shared here before CBC season hits. 
The species highs/first/last all can still be accessed on the pages for a 
location (country, state, county, or hotspot level). Check the buttons just 
above the species list, under “Sightings”. 
Best,Brendan
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM Nancy Tognan  wrote:

I contacted eBird via their website on August 23, 2020 re the following 
complaint.  There has been no response.

EBird used to have the function “Summarize My Observations”, which has now been 
eliminated.  It was useful to produce a combined trip list of multiple 
locations.  It was especially useful for the Christmas Bird Count.

My North Nassau CBC sector includes 19 locations (each a separate spot to drive 
to).  In years past, I could produce a combined checklist in about 2 minutes 
using “Summarize My Observations”.  Now what?  Print 19 checklists and combine 
the data by hand?  This may take two hours instead of two minutes.

I would like to have seen “Summarize My Observations” be improved to allow more 
flexible dates and selection of locations.  Instead, the whole feature is gone 
- did eBird ask anyone before deleteing it?  I feel that birders spend a lot of 
effort inputting their data - shouldn’t eBird give us a better interface to 
inquire on it?

Does the loss of this feature bother anyone else or just me?

By the way, these other features were also deleted:  species All-Time 
First/Last Records, Arrivals and Departures, and High Counts.  

Nancy Tognan






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Re: [nysbirds-l] EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas Bird Count

[Adelia Honeywood]

 In a web browser on any checklist under checklist tools you can select to 
download the list as a .csv file which can be opened in any spreadsheet program 
such as Excel or Google sheets (which is free with a Google account). Depending 
on how many lists, it can take a couple of minutes to cut and paste them all 
together into a single spreadsheet. You can then sort the species column, 
combine the duplicate species totals and delete the duplicates. In Excel if you 
highlight the species column, select Conditional Formatting and Duplicate 
Values it will highlight where all the duplicates are.It sounds complicated, 
but it is actually pretty quick - 

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 01:13:00 PM EDT, Brent Bomkamp 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi all,
Another option, though somewhat cumbersome, is to look at your day list for the 
date of the CBC.  To do this, click on the "Sightings Lists" link underneath 
the "Explore My..." list on the left side of the main My eBird page.  Here's a 
link to the lists page: 
https://ebird.org/MyEBird?cmd=lifeList=life=world
On the top bar, click on the calendar icon and select the date you desire.  
While the number of individuals seen of each species is not visible here, you 
can view it by clicking on the "View All" button to the right of each species 
within this list and noting the total at the top of the page.
Not as convenient as the Summarize My Observations option, but still workable.
Best,
Brent
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Brendan Fogarty  wrote:

Hey Nancy,
The summarize feature is not gone permanently - eBird is transitioning all of 
its ancient pages to a new format and it is supposed to return within the year, 
but it could indeed pose a challenge for the CBCs if it isn’t fast-tracked. 
I am not sure what the most elegant solution for CBC listing is today. In eBird 
mobile (definitely for iOS, Android I can’t say for sure) one can choose “Trip 
Summaries” under “Checklists” and see all species counts for any given 
particular date range, including just one day. Minimizing the number of list 
keepers in a sector party would help here. The “Trip” report can be emailed 
out. 
Another option is to create a sector eBird account. Anyone keeping lists within 
the party can share their lists with that account. You can see a species list 
in the account’s “My eBird” but not species totals. For that you’d need to 
export its observations into Excel. Everything is likely getting summed in 
Excel by the coordinators anyway. 
I hope any other useful strategies will be shared here before CBC season hits. 
The species highs/first/last all can still be accessed on the pages for a 
location (country, state, county, or hotspot level). Check the buttons just 
above the species list, under “Sightings”. 
Best,Brendan
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM Nancy Tognan  wrote:

I contacted eBird via their website on August 23, 2020 re the following 
complaint.  There has been no response.

EBird used to have the function “Summarize My Observations”, which has now been 
eliminated.  It was useful to produce a combined trip list of multiple 
locations.  It was especially useful for the Christmas Bird Count.

My North Nassau CBC sector includes 19 locations (each a separate spot to drive 
to).  In years past, I could produce a combined checklist in about 2 minutes 
using “Summarize My Observations”.  Now what?  Print 19 checklists and combine 
the data by hand?  This may take two hours instead of two minutes.

I would like to have seen “Summarize My Observations” be improved to allow more 
flexible dates and selection of locations.  Instead, the whole feature is gone 
- did eBird ask anyone before deleteing it?  I feel that birders spend a lot of 
effort inputting their data - shouldn’t eBird give us a better interface to 
inquire on it?

Does the loss of this feature bother anyone else or just me?

By the way, these other features were also deleted:  species All-Time 
First/Last Records, Arrivals and Departures, and High Counts.  

Nancy Tognan






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Re: [nysbirds-l] Exotic ID?

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That bird has endured a whole lot of cruelty. Andrew, if you can tell them 
where it is, one of these wildlife rehabbers would probably rescue it. The 
names below are from this public database 
https://www.dec.ny.gov/cfmx/extapps/sls_searches/index.cfm?p=live_rehab


| County | City | Name of Wildlife Rehabilitator | Business Phone | Email |
| OTSEGO | Laurens | SUZANNE M JOHNSON | 607-432-8311 | 
suzanne.johnso...@yahoo.com |
| OTSEGO | PITTSFIELD | CHARLES T KOOP | 607-847-8567 | 
littleeaglef...@yahoo.com |
| OTSEGO | Otego | Caitlin E Wiltsie | 607-353-2230 | tigerka...@yahoo.com |












   





 On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 02:05:33 PM EDT, Nancy Jane Kern 
 wrote:  
 
 ? Chukar/pheasant cross. I found a photo in a a search at link:  
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2=KQ1rGjG3=65E6414CA78947DDD4E9FCE782624070C28E293B=OIP.KQ1rGjG3Uz23HDBiBwshZQHaF7=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F1%2F686%2F20341707783_247a94ee2d_b.jpg=819=1024=chukar+and+pheasant+cross+photos=608019480241179182=EAE73D9F9273C87D7471D2AD69B4533B=12=demote=GetUrl=2119c109-a80f-4371-9d0b-b1858d36ab66=Q2h1a2FyIFBhcnRyaWRnZSB8IFllc3RlcmRheSBJIHdhcyBvdXQgZm9yIGEgYmlrZSByaWRlIGFuZCAuLi4%3D=Rm91bmQgb24gQmluZyBmcm9tIHd3dy5mbGlja3IuY29t=q%2B3rnybie%2BL2rE6NhQAIJcuIPVT0NrZ2pmj9x%2FzQJrE%3D=EX0023=OSH.kanGIIlziXgUQKcRmcKAXQ


Nancy KernAusterlitz, NY

From: bounce-124700331-44613...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:21 PM
To: Larry Trachtenberg 
Cc: Andrew Mason ; zach schwartz-weinstein 
; NYSBIRDS 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Exotic ID? Likely a pen-raised bird that always fed 
from a dish or tray, removing the opportunity for the bill to be worn down 
normally.
As someone alluded to before, the bird was probably either an escape from a 
shooting preserve or a survivor from a dog-training session.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 1:05 PM Larry Trachtenberg  
wrote:


Yes; what’s up with that bill?

 

L. Trachtenberg

Ossining

 

 

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Yeah--my thought too.  That bill is way out of line!



On 6/13/2020 12:31 PM, zach schwartz-weinstein wrote:


 

Chukar.  Introduced gamebird.  

 

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:30 PM Andrew Mason  wrote:


Anybody have an idea on this bird--seen in upstate NY--Otsego Co.?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Exotic ID?

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That bird has endured a whole lot of cruelty. Andrew, if you can tell them 
where it is, one of these wildlife rehabbers would probably rescue it. The 
names below are from this public database 
https://www.dec.ny.gov/cfmx/extapps/sls_searches/index.cfm?p=live_rehab


| County | City | Name of Wildlife Rehabilitator | Business Phone | Email |
| OTSEGO | Laurens | SUZANNE M JOHNSON | 607-432-8311 | 
suzanne.johnso...@yahoo.com |
| OTSEGO | PITTSFIELD | CHARLES T KOOP | 607-847-8567 | 
littleeaglef...@yahoo.com |
| OTSEGO | Otego | Caitlin E Wiltsie | 607-353-2230 | tigerka...@yahoo.com |












   





 On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 02:05:33 PM EDT, Nancy Jane Kern 
 wrote:  
 
 ? Chukar/pheasant cross. I found a photo in a a search at link:  
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2=KQ1rGjG3=65E6414CA78947DDD4E9FCE782624070C28E293B=OIP.KQ1rGjG3Uz23HDBiBwshZQHaF7=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F1%2F686%2F20341707783_247a94ee2d_b.jpg=819=1024=chukar+and+pheasant+cross+photos=608019480241179182=EAE73D9F9273C87D7471D2AD69B4533B=12=demote=GetUrl=2119c109-a80f-4371-9d0b-b1858d36ab66=Q2h1a2FyIFBhcnRyaWRnZSB8IFllc3RlcmRheSBJIHdhcyBvdXQgZm9yIGEgYmlrZSByaWRlIGFuZCAuLi4%3D=Rm91bmQgb24gQmluZyBmcm9tIHd3dy5mbGlja3IuY29t=q%2B3rnybie%2BL2rE6NhQAIJcuIPVT0NrZ2pmj9x%2FzQJrE%3D=EX0023=OSH.kanGIIlziXgUQKcRmcKAXQ


Nancy KernAusterlitz, NY

From: bounce-124700331-44613...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:21 PM
To: Larry Trachtenberg 
Cc: Andrew Mason ; zach schwartz-weinstein 
; NYSBIRDS 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Exotic ID? Likely a pen-raised bird that always fed 
from a dish or tray, removing the opportunity for the bill to be worn down 
normally.
As someone alluded to before, the bird was probably either an escape from a 
shooting preserve or a survivor from a dog-training session.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 1:05 PM Larry Trachtenberg  
wrote:


Yes; what’s up with that bill?

 

L. Trachtenberg

Ossining

 

 

Lawrence B. Trachtenberg | trachtenb...@amsllp.com

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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Exotic ID?

 

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Yeah--my thought too.  That bill is way out of line!



On 6/13/2020 12:31 PM, zach schwartz-weinstein wrote:


 

Chukar.  Introduced gamebird.  

 

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:30 PM Andrew Mason  wrote:


Anybody have an idea on this bird--seen in upstate NY--Otsego Co.?

Andy Mason





 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Creating separate checklists on eBird for the NY and NJ portions of Wallkill River NWR (Oil City Road) -- A Plea

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Hi,I have done Walkill NWR twice and the first time I split up the checklists. 
I did not split it up the second time because it appears that the entire 
Liberty Loop trail is in one atlas block. I didn't understand why that block 
would include NJ (most of the block does), but on my second trip I thought that 
it would be ok to do one list because I wasn't crossing block boundaries. So 
that fact may be confusing people.
Thank you for the reminder. I will be sure to split them in the future.
Adelia
On Monday, June 1, 2020, 12:15:45 PM EDT, AJIT ANTONY 
 wrote:  
 
 Since the NYS BBA III has begun this year it becomes all the more important to 
be accurate in our reporting of checklists from the Wallkill River NWR in 
Orange County New York. This block is close to the border with NJ, so that most 
of the refuge is in NJ while Oil City Road and the “platform” are in New York.

One of the dedicated Atlas volunteers from our club described to me someone she 
met 2 days ago who had just completed the entire Liberty Loop which starts in 
NY, goes into NJ, and ends in NY, and who had entered all the species seen on 
one eBird checklist -- as is quite common, and moreover told her that he had 
entered it on the NYS BBA III; and this club member despairingly texted me “How 
can we prevent non-NY birds being reported in NY on BBA reports?” My response 
was that at present it was impossible, and it was up to us to educate 
individual birders to the problem. This post is written is in the spirit of 
(though I’m not religious) “It is better to light a candle than to curse the 
darkness.“

One of the important aspects Julie Hart emphasized in Atlasing in 2020 on one 
of her workshops is knowing that there are block borders and keeping each 
checklist to within a specific block.

For those unfamiliar with the Liberty Loop Trail. It is a 3 mile 
rectangular-shaped trail.
If you walk the Liberty Loop counterclockwise from the platform, when you come 
to the long side of the rectangle that goes North-South on the western side of 
the loop and you start getting to trees on either side of the path, you are 
already in NJ.
If you walk the Liberty Loop clockwise from the platform, when you come to the 
long side of the rectangle that goes North-South on the eastern side of the 
loop, when you get to the second large tree on the right, you are close to NJ.
If you use the eBird app in the field, block borders are clearly marked. You 
have to click on the “mileage” you have traveled shown on top and the border 
will show up in white when you zoom out, with your current location shown as a 
blue-and-white bull’s-eye. As you walk closer to the border, repeatedly look at 
your location and when you come to the actual border of Unionville-SE, you 
should end this checklist and begin a new checklist for NJ -- which you should 
end when you leave NJ and come back to NY. The remaining portion in New York 
could be a new checklist, and with the eBird app for both Android and iPhone, 
there is no effort at all starting a new checklist.

Here is a link to Google maps, where under Satellite View you can easily see 
the trees I’ve mentioned.
https://tinyurl.com/ydxogqpo 

I was told by Curt McDermott (the eBird reviewer for Orange County, New York) 
that the Refuge plans to place a sign at the NY-NJ border, and I hope that the 
new information overcomes force of habit and inertia.

Ajit I. Antony MD
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Creating separate checklists on eBird for the NY and NJ portions of Wallkill River NWR (Oil City Road) -- A Plea

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Hi,I have done Walkill NWR twice and the first time I split up the checklists. 
I did not split it up the second time because it appears that the entire 
Liberty Loop trail is in one atlas block. I didn't understand why that block 
would include NJ (most of the block does), but on my second trip I thought that 
it would be ok to do one list because I wasn't crossing block boundaries. So 
that fact may be confusing people.
Thank you for the reminder. I will be sure to split them in the future.
Adelia
On Monday, June 1, 2020, 12:15:45 PM EDT, AJIT ANTONY 
 wrote:  
 
 Since the NYS BBA III has begun this year it becomes all the more important to 
be accurate in our reporting of checklists from the Wallkill River NWR in 
Orange County New York. This block is close to the border with NJ, so that most 
of the refuge is in NJ while Oil City Road and the “platform” are in New York.

One of the dedicated Atlas volunteers from our club described to me someone she 
met 2 days ago who had just completed the entire Liberty Loop which starts in 
NY, goes into NJ, and ends in NY, and who had entered all the species seen on 
one eBird checklist -- as is quite common, and moreover told her that he had 
entered it on the NYS BBA III; and this club member despairingly texted me “How 
can we prevent non-NY birds being reported in NY on BBA reports?” My response 
was that at present it was impossible, and it was up to us to educate 
individual birders to the problem. This post is written is in the spirit of 
(though I’m not religious) “It is better to light a candle than to curse the 
darkness.“

One of the important aspects Julie Hart emphasized in Atlasing in 2020 on one 
of her workshops is knowing that there are block borders and keeping each 
checklist to within a specific block.

For those unfamiliar with the Liberty Loop Trail. It is a 3 mile 
rectangular-shaped trail.
If you walk the Liberty Loop counterclockwise from the platform, when you come 
to the long side of the rectangle that goes North-South on the western side of 
the loop and you start getting to trees on either side of the path, you are 
already in NJ.
If you walk the Liberty Loop clockwise from the platform, when you come to the 
long side of the rectangle that goes North-South on the eastern side of the 
loop, when you get to the second large tree on the right, you are close to NJ.
If you use the eBird app in the field, block borders are clearly marked. You 
have to click on the “mileage” you have traveled shown on top and the border 
will show up in white when you zoom out, with your current location shown as a 
blue-and-white bull’s-eye. As you walk closer to the border, repeatedly look at 
your location and when you come to the actual border of Unionville-SE, you 
should end this checklist and begin a new checklist for NJ -- which you should 
end when you leave NJ and come back to NY. The remaining portion in New York 
could be a new checklist, and with the eBird app for both Android and iPhone, 
there is no effort at all starting a new checklist.

Here is a link to Google maps, where under Satellite View you can easily see 
the trees I’ve mentioned.
https://tinyurl.com/ydxogqpo 

I was told by Curt McDermott (the eBird reviewer for Orange County, New York) 
that the Refuge plans to place a sign at the NY-NJ border, and I hope that the 
new information overcomes force of habit and inertia.

Ajit I. Antony MD
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Hi Joe, Thank you for bringing the NPS's attention to the nest. Do you have 
any idea how to get the NPS to reign in off-leash dogs at Plumb?
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 08:39:09 AM EDT, Joe Jannsen  
wrote:  
 
 
NPS is aware and stated they will protect the nest.
 
  
 
Thanks.
 
  
 
Joe
 
  
 
From: TURNER  
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:41 PM
To: Gus Keri ; Joe Jannsen 
Cc: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area
 
  
 
Joe is influential and a good man. 

> On May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Gus Keri  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot, Joe. This is great.
> I didn't think it was possible.
> 
> 
> Sent using Zoho Mail
> 
> 
>  On Tue, 19 May 2020 16:36:34 -0400 Joe Jannsen  wrote 
> 
> > 
> > Gus,
> > 
> > I reached out to a Gateway contact to see if they can get this nest 
> > protected.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > From: bounce-124641923-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
> > On Behalf Of Gus Keri
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:47 PM
> > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
> > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I know we are not supposed to reveal nesting locations but I think everyone 
> > who is going to visit Plumb beach should be aware of this one. I have never 
> > seen a nest in this place which is not protected and have many people and 
> > dogs roaming the beach.
> > 
> > Today, I found an Oystercatcher nest in a very open area where birders walk 
> > sometimes. I know because I walked this area many time before, 
> > particularly, in search of Sparrows. And it is very easy for any one to 
> > step over the eggs accidently.
> > 
> > The nest is located at the far east end, near the large wooden board. I 
> > posted few photos on my eBird list to make it easy to find the nest.
> > You can see them here: https://ebird.org/checklist/S69331372
> > 
> > Unfortunately, nothing can be done about off-leash dogs which is a common 
> > problem in this place. Although, for some reason, I have not run into any 
> > dogs during my last two visits. I don't know if the social distancing 
> > secondary to the Coronavirus has any thing to do with.
> > 
> > I have a reason to believe that social distancing and stay-at-home policy 
> > have allowed for the Oystercatchers to build a nest on this beach.
> > 
> > So, please, If you are planning to go to Plumb beach, watch your steps.
> > 
> > Gus Keri
> > 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area

[Adelia Honeywood]

 Hi Joe, Thank you for bringing the NPS's attention to the nest. Do you have 
any idea how to get the NPS to reign in off-leash dogs at Plumb?
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 08:39:09 AM EDT, Joe Jannsen  
wrote:  
 
 
NPS is aware and stated they will protect the nest.
 
  
 
Thanks.
 
  
 
Joe
 
  
 
From: TURNER  
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:41 PM
To: Gus Keri ; Joe Jannsen 
Cc: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area
 
  
 
Joe is influential and a good man. 

> On May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Gus Keri  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot, Joe. This is great.
> I didn't think it was possible.
> 
> 
> Sent using Zoho Mail
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> 
>  On Tue, 19 May 2020 16:36:34 -0400 Joe Jannsen  wrote 
> 
> > 
> > Gus,
> > 
> > I reached out to a Gateway contact to see if they can get this nest 
> > protected.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > From: bounce-124641923-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
> > On Behalf Of Gus Keri
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:47 PM
> > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
> > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I know we are not supposed to reveal nesting locations but I think everyone 
> > who is going to visit Plumb beach should be aware of this one. I have never 
> > seen a nest in this place which is not protected and have many people and 
> > dogs roaming the beach.
> > 
> > Today, I found an Oystercatcher nest in a very open area where birders walk 
> > sometimes. I know because I walked this area many time before, 
> > particularly, in search of Sparrows. And it is very easy for any one to 
> > step over the eggs accidently.
> > 
> > The nest is located at the far east end, near the large wooden board. I 
> > posted few photos on my eBird list to make it easy to find the nest.
> > You can see them here: https://ebird.org/checklist/S69331372
> > 
> > Unfortunately, nothing can be done about off-leash dogs which is a common 
> > problem in this place. Although, for some reason, I have not run into any 
> > dogs during my last two visits. I don't know if the social distancing 
> > secondary to the Coronavirus has any thing to do with.
> > 
> > I have a reason to believe that social distancing and stay-at-home policy 
> > have allowed for the Oystercatchers to build a nest on this beach.
> > 
> > So, please, If you are planning to go to Plumb beach, watch your steps.
> > 
> > Gus Keri
> > 
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[nysbirds-l] Thick billed murre Jones Beach Field 6

[Adelia Honeywood]

Thick billed murre off of Jones Beach Field 6. Paddling rapidly to the westPoor 
photo, But good for ID on Twitter @heliobates

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[nysbirds-l] Thick billed murre Jones Beach Field 6

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cattle Egret Friday, 4/14, Manhattan NYC

[Adelia Honeywood]

It's still in the same place noon Saturday 4/15. Penn South courtyard

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  On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Fiore wrote:   
Good Friday,14th April, 2017 -
Manhattan, Chelsea neighborhood, N.Y. City

A well-plumaged Cattle Egret continues its visit at a small-ish greenspace, on 
the north side of 28th Street, between Eighth & Ninth Avenues in Manhattan. In 
the early morning at least, the Egret was a bit closer to Eigth Ave. - it was 
feeding reasonably, as it has been for the days of observations.  

I also visited some smaller parks in the lower-mid Manhattan area, & most 
seemed to hold very scant migrant or late-lingering wintered-over birds.  The 
Hudson river along lower Manhattan also appeared relatively quiet and the 
greenspaces alongside somewhat the same, with the exception of lingering 
Atlantic Brant in some areas, which are not unexpected into or even thru April. 
 


Thanks to Ardith Bondi for her note on the Central Park reservoir (Manhattan) 
Red-necked Grebe which she photographed Thursday; this bird was also reported 
by a few others, in various media.  Should that grebe linger on into next week, 
it will certainly seem very likely that it is the same which was rehabilitated 
in Manhattan & subsequently released to the CP reservoir. It is mobile within 
the reservoir & it seems to be feeding well.

Peaceful birding,

Tom Fiore
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cattle Egret Friday, 4/14, Manhattan NYC

[Adelia Honeywood]

It's still in the same place noon Saturday 4/15. Penn South courtyard

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Fiore wrote:   
Good Friday,14th April, 2017 -
Manhattan, Chelsea neighborhood, N.Y. City

A well-plumaged Cattle Egret continues its visit at a small-ish greenspace, on 
the north side of 28th Street, between Eighth & Ninth Avenues in Manhattan. In 
the early morning at least, the Egret was a bit closer to Eigth Ave. - it was 
feeding reasonably, as it has been for the days of observations.  

I also visited some smaller parks in the lower-mid Manhattan area, & most 
seemed to hold very scant migrant or late-lingering wintered-over birds.  The 
Hudson river along lower Manhattan also appeared relatively quiet and the 
greenspaces alongside somewhat the same, with the exception of lingering 
Atlantic Brant in some areas, which are not unexpected into or even thru April. 
 


Thanks to Ardith Bondi for her note on the Central Park reservoir (Manhattan) 
Red-necked Grebe which she photographed Thursday; this bird was also reported 
by a few others, in various media.  Should that grebe linger on into next week, 
it will certainly seem very likely that it is the same which was rehabilitated 
in Manhattan & subsequently released to the CP reservoir. It is mobile within 
the reservoir & it seems to be feeding well.

Peaceful birding,

Tom Fiore
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