Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
Inappropriate to lobby one way or another. All we did was start an argument. And I got lured in. Keep posts to the list serve about birds. We can all make our own decisions and judgements without any advisement. Sorry to have contributed to the thread. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > wrote: > > Gus, the listserv didn’t declare war on anyone.. > >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Gus Keri wrote: >> It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, >> especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging >> people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to >> David. >> >> In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the >> alert. I will talk about each one separately. >> >> 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” >> To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added >> after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the >> alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds >> after sunset for the same reason. >> What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding >> site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds >> anyhow. >> Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller >> offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is >> a good deed. >> >> 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses >> excessive audio playback.” >> The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community >> is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here. >> But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable >> to me. >> Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan >> Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. >> On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. >> He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He >> doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. >> I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only >> for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding >> politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do >> appreciate what he offers the birding community. >> >> 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding >> of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's >> guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.” >> Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with >> it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy >> wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should >> not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public >> on the proper viewing protocol. >> When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the >> exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last >> few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray >> Owl. >> It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have >> not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what >> the code of ethics stated. >> Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who >> have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding >> community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view >> them. This is a double standard in my opinion. >> >> 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” >> This is another example of where education went wrong. >> Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not >> aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will >> continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. >> When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I >> know people will not follow such order. >> The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post >> on what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy >> feeding birds without hurting them. This is a great idea. >> Manhattan Bird alert simply did that. It is the smart way. >> >> Finally, none of these reasons are valid one to declare war on any of >> David’s twitter accounts. I believe these accounts are the best thing that >> happened to NYC area birders in a long time. And the fact that the numbers >> of followers to each account keep rising is an indication of their >> importance to the birding community. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsW
[nysbirds-l] Swan River Preserve, Patchogue Snipes
Greetings, In case the locals are not “sniped out” by now, there are currently 3 Wilson’s Snipes sleeping at the north end of the island. All in a 5’ radius of each other. Green Wing Teals continue as well. Good Day! Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Swan Lake Preserve - Patchogue
Several Purple Martins taking turns gathering clumps of mud and grass at the northeast end of the island. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Tri-Colored Heron
Westhampton Beach. Dune road just west of Ponquogue Bridge on north side. Very active, nice looks, first time I've ever seen them on Long Island. Matt Clements Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Waterfowl patchogue, ny
Patchogue lakes turning up good numbers of coot, scaup, ring necked, widgeon, gadwall, a few wood duck, ruddy, hooded megansers, a few shovelers, pintail. Canvasbacks and redheads absent, anyone know where they are? I've always found a few the last several years in these lakes. Matt Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Long Tail Duck Sag Harbor
Long Tailed Duck 2 pair in harbor 1/2 mile before traffic circle heading cr 60 on left viewable from beach parking lot. Winter waterfowl snuck up fast! Same location has great looks at scoters all winter but not here yet. Lat 40.99854 Long 72.33290 Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Oakdale Bald Eagles
St John's University west entrance off Montauk Hwy in Oakdale,NY. All the way to end past theatre Pair perched in dead tree across water. I thought I was going to be viewing a pair of Ospreys. Nice look at a pair. Anyone know of whether this is a nesting pair? Matt Clements Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Dune Road, East Long Island.
Signs of spring, family of 5 Ospreys circling and carrying nesting material. Never thought I'd say a "flock" of Ospreys. Grasses pretty matted, not much of note, a lone Black Crown Night Heron standing in the grasses. Point east of coast guard station still littered with Scoters. Enjoy Spring! -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Brookhaven Bald Eagle
Eastbound Sunrise Highway (Rt. 27) in town of Brookhaven in Suffolk county-about 1/4 mile before exit 58 where the Carmens River crosses under highway. BALD EAGLE kiting over highway. Hopefully part of the same pair scoping nesting location down in Wertheim. I pulled off to watch it for a few more seconds before it circled, hovered (good winds yesterday, not much effort to soar about), and glided back south over the trees. Flying low. Great look...If anyone has a chance to kayak the Carmen's or walk that new trail, I'll do the same and post any updates. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Bald Eagles Nesting - Shirley, NY
Our local newsletter/paper has indicated that Bald Eagles are nesting on the Carmen's River in Shirley, NY. Has anyone seen this? If so, please give location. There are a lot of Osprey stands in this area as seen in Wertheim on the old trail - from a distance they can appear Thank you for any input. Matt Clements Mastic Beach, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Black Crowned Night Herons
Merrick, NY Lindenmere Drive just south of Merrick Road (40.653845, -73.550378) had 38 black crowned night herons perched in the trees in over the water west of the road. Same day I was on Everit Ave just east of Meadowview Ave in Hewlett Harbor (40.638442, -73.691971) and saw 22 night herons in a similar setting. The first time I noticed the group in Merrick was two dasy after Sandy hit (11/1/12) but didn't have power to post it and forgot about it. Is this an annual common find that I somehow just missed the last decade living down here? -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Dune Road Rail Correction - Hampton Bays, NY
Pardon my error, but the Dune Road rail is a Clapper Rail. Thanks Hugh for the Heads up! I'll check with the experts next time. Good Birding to all. Matt -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Virginia Rail
Hampton Bays, NY >From Ponquogue bridge and west: Sunday afternoon around 3:30 pm the Virginia Rail was very active on Dune Road at the first road-side water on the north side of the road just west of Triton Lane. Pardon the tardiness of this post. Plenty of Harriers, a Kingfisher, medium raft of Goldeneye, but a lot of hunters which twice sent what I was looking at into flight. No signs of the bittern but probably there keeping a low profile. Best Regards, Matt Mastic Beach, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
