Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
Ditto from me. Thank you to all that help especially David. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:18 AM, edith goren wrote: > > Thanks again to you and David Barrett and all who post any where and with > such frequency. > I too have been told as I bird or walk with binoculars questions about what > I’ve seen by strangers and often offer my binoculars and tell novice birders > of available bird walks or organizations, or good locations to go to. I have > been asked not to reveal locations of Owls, but people are inquisitive if it > looks like I’m attentive to a spot. ( this has made me uncomfortable with the > ethics of Owl protection) not that I often spots Owls. I feel this is the > best way to promote and enhance environmental protection ethics and laws, > and to protect the areas of park reserved for passive recreation. I feel Gus’ > promotion of informative signage is essential and aids birders to reinforce > ethics. I do not support suppression of information and creates a caste > system of birders. Respectfully, Edith Goren > > E.G. > >> On Jan 4, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Gus Keri wrote: >> >> It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, >> especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging >> people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to >> David. >> >> In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the >> alert. I will talk about each one separately. >> >> 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” >> To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added >> after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the >> alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds >> after sunset for the same reason. >> What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding >> site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds >> anyhow. >> Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller >> offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is >> a good deed. >> >> 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses >> excessive audio playback.” >> The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community >> is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here. >> But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable >> to me. >> Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan >> Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. >> On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. >> He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He >> doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. >> I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only >> for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding >> politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do >> appreciate what he offers the birding community. >> >> 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding >> of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's >> guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.” >> Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with >> it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy >> wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should >> not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public >> on the proper viewing protocol. >> When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the >> exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last >> few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray >> Owl. >> It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have >> not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what >> the code of ethics stated. >> Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who >> have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding >> community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view >> them. This is a double standard in my opinion. >> >> 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” >> This is another example of where education went wrong. >> Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not >> aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will >> continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. >> When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I >> know people will not follow such order. >> The park department came up with a sm
Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
Thanks again to you and David Barrett and all who post any where and with such frequency. I too have been told as I bird or walk with binoculars questions about what I’ve seen by strangers and often offer my binoculars and tell novice birders of available bird walks or organizations, or good locations to go to. I have been asked not to reveal locations of Owls, but people are inquisitive if it looks like I’m attentive to a spot. ( this has made me uncomfortable with the ethics of Owl protection) not that I often spots Owls. I feel this is the best way to promote and enhance environmental protection ethics and laws, and to protect the areas of park reserved for passive recreation. I feel Gus’ promotion of informative signage is essential and aids birders to reinforce ethics. I do not support suppression of information and creates a caste system of birders. Respectfully, Edith Goren E.G. > On Jan 4, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Gus Keri wrote: > > It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, > especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging > people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to > David. > > In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the > alert. I will talk about each one separately. > > 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” > To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added > after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the alert > notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds after > sunset for the same reason. > What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding > site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds > anyhow. > Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller > offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is > a good deed. > > 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses > excessive audio playback.” > The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community > is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here. But > to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable to me. > Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan Bird > Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. On some > days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. > He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He > doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. > I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only > for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding > politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do > appreciate what he offers the birding community. > > 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding of > some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's guidelines > say post about any bird including all owls.” > Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with it. > I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy > wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should > not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public > on the proper viewing protocol. > When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the > exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last > few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray > Owl. > It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have not > seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what the > code of ethics stated. > Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who > have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding > community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view > them. This is a double standard in my opinion. > > 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” > This is another example of where education went wrong. > Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not > aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will > continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. > When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I > know people will not follow such order. > The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post on > what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy > feeding birds without hurting them. This is a great idea. > Manhattan Bird alert simply did that. It is the smart way.
Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
José,
I believe Gus, is referring to a discussion taking place on social media which
I wish he would respond to there, so that folks would have a crack at
responding appropriately.
I am enjoying all the bird reports coming through on the list serves and would
like to keep it that way.
Cheers,
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick
Douglass
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林 Quiet as the forest
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山 Steady as the mountain
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> On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo
> wrote:
>
> Gus, the listserv didn’t declare war on anyone..
>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Gus Keri wrote:
>> It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts,
>> especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging
>> people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to
>> David.
>>
>> In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the
>> alert. I will talk about each one separately.
>>
>> 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.”
>> To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added
>> after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the
>> alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds
>> after sunset for the same reason.
>> What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding
>> site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds
>> anyhow.
>> Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller
>> offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is
>> a good deed.
>>
>> 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses
>> excessive audio playback.”
>> The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community
>> is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here.
>> But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable
>> to me.
>> Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan
>> Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months.
>> On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else.
>> He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He
>> doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him.
>> I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only
>> for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding
>> politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do
>> appreciate what he offers the birding community.
>>
>> 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding
>> of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's
>> guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.”
>> Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with
>> it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy
>> wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should
>> not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public
>> on the proper viewing protocol.
>> When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the
>> exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last
>> few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray
>> Owl.
>> It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have
>> not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what
>> the code of ethics stated.
>> Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who
>> have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding
>> community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view
>> them. This is a double standard in my opinion.
>>
>> 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.”
>> This is another example of where education went wrong.
>> Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not
>> aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will
>> continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them.
>> When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I
>> know people will not follow such order.
>> The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post
>> on what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy
>> feeding birds without hurting th
Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
Inappropriate to lobby one way or another. All we did was start an argument. And I got lured in. Keep posts to the list serve about birds. We can all make our own decisions and judgements without any advisement. Sorry to have contributed to the thread. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > wrote: > > Gus, the listserv didn’t declare war on anyone.. > >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Gus Keri wrote: >> It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, >> especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging >> people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to >> David. >> >> In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the >> alert. I will talk about each one separately. >> >> 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” >> To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added >> after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the >> alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds >> after sunset for the same reason. >> What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding >> site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds >> anyhow. >> Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller >> offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is >> a good deed. >> >> 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses >> excessive audio playback.” >> The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community >> is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here. >> But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable >> to me. >> Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan >> Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. >> On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. >> He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He >> doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. >> I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only >> for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding >> politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do >> appreciate what he offers the birding community. >> >> 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding >> of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's >> guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.” >> Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with >> it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy >> wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should >> not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public >> on the proper viewing protocol. >> When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the >> exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last >> few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray >> Owl. >> It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have >> not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what >> the code of ethics stated. >> Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who >> have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding >> community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view >> them. This is a double standard in my opinion. >> >> 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” >> This is another example of where education went wrong. >> Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not >> aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will >> continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. >> When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I >> know people will not follow such order. >> The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post >> on what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy >> feeding birds without hurting them. This is a great idea. >> Manhattan Bird alert simply did that. It is the smart way. >> >> Finally, none of these reasons are valid one to declare war on any of >> David’s twitter accounts. I believe these accounts are the best thing that >> happened to NYC area birders in a long time. And the fact that the numbers >> of followers to each account keep rising is an indication of their >> importance to the birding community. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsW
Re: [nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
Gus, the listserv didn’t declare war on anyone.. On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Gus Keri wrote: > It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, > especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and > encouraging people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign > totally unfair to David. > > In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott > the alert. I will talk about each one separately. > > 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” > To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are > added after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off > the alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of > birds after sunset for the same reason. > What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a > birding site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of > birds anyhow. > Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller > offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This > is a good deed. > > 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses > excessive audio playback.” > The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding > community is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss > them here. But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems > unreasonable to me. > Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan > Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. > On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. > He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He > doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. > I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last > only for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding > politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do > appreciate what he offers the birding community. > > 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding > of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's > guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.” > Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with > it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy > wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should > not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public > on the proper viewing protocol. > When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the > exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last > few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray > Owl. > It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have > not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what > the code of ethics stated. > Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts > who have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding > community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view > them. This is a double standard in my opinion. > > 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” > This is another example of where education went wrong. > Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not > aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will > continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. > When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I > know people will not follow such order. > The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post > on what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy > feeding birds without hurting them. This is a great idea. > Manhattan Bird alert simply did that. It is the smart way. > > Finally, none of these reasons are valid one to declare war on any of > David’s twitter accounts. I believe these accounts are the best thing that > happened to NYC area birders in a long time. And the fact that the numbers > of followers to each account keep rising is an indication of their > importance to the birding community. > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > -- Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/N
[nysbirds-l] Campaign against David?
It seems there is a campaign against David Barrett’s twitter accounts, especially the Manhattan Bird alert, trying to discredit him and encouraging people to stay away from his account. I find this campaign totally unfair to David. In a recent internet article, the author mentioned 4 reasons for boycott the alert. I will talk about each one separately. 1- “Started advertising T-Shirts.” To the best of my knowledge, all the non-rare-bird-related tweets are added after sunset, so it would not bother birders, most of whom turn off the alert notification at night anyway. He also posts photos and videos of birds after sunset for the same reason. What is wrong with promoting T-shirt that has a photo of a bird on a birding site? It has to be a good idea to raise awareness for the world of birds anyhow. Beside, I read in one of the tweets that for each T-shirt sold, the seller offers few dollars as a donation to one of the birding organization. This is a good deed. 2- “Promoted commercial Owl Walks that point flashlights at owls and uses excessive audio playback.” The ethics of bird watching is very controversial and the birding community is deeply divided over these issues. I am not going to discuss them here. But to criticize David for promoting Birding Bob’s walks seems unreasonable to me. Birding Bob is responsible for most of the rare birds alert on Manhattan Bird Alert, especially the tweets about owls in the last couple of months. On some days, I only read his tweets about rare birds and none else. He goes on birding walks almost every day and finds things himself. He doesn’t need Manhattan Bird alert more than Manhattan bird alert needs him. I have never gone on any of Bob’s walks and my encounters with him last only for few seconds where we exchange Hello’s only. We never talk birding politics. But I heard a lot from other birders about his walks and they do appreciate what he offers the birding community. 3- “Reported owls with exact locations, which resulted in the over birding of some owls, especially a specific Northern Saw-whet Owl. David's guidelines say post about any bird including all owls.” Another controversial issue and it happened that I disagree strongly with it. I believe the birding experts (including eBird experts) had this policy wrong. I believe every birder have the right to see owls. Our focus should not be focused on hiding the location. It should be on educating the public on the proper viewing protocol. When rare or vagrant bird appears anywhere, the birding experts list the exact location and remind each other of the protocol. It has happened last few days with the Golden-crowned Sparrow and last year with the Great Gray Owl. It seems the experts would do all they can to get on rare birds they have not seen before even if it means to do things slightly different from what the code of ethics stated. Well, those new birders who have never seen any owl are like the experts who have never seen a Great Gray owl or Golden-crowned Sparrow. The birding community should help them get on those owls and educate them how to view them. This is a double standard in my opinion. 4- “Promoted the feeding of ducks on The Pond.” This is another example of where education went wrong. Many people (non-birders) love to feed birds in the park but they are not aware of the danger of giving birds the wrong food. These people will continue to do so regardless of what the birding community thinks of them. When I see a post in the park saying “don’t feed ducks” I laugh, because I know people will not follow such order. The park department came up with a smarter idea. They started putting post on what the proper food to feed ducks and other birds, so people can enjoy feeding birds without hurting them. This is a great idea. Manhattan Bird alert simply did that. It is the smart way. Finally, none of these reasons are valid one to declare war on any of David’s twitter accounts. I believe these accounts are the best thing that happened to NYC area birders in a long time. And the fact that the numbers of followers to each account keep rising is an indication of their importance to the birding community. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
