Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
On Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 2:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on "[obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?," saying.. ... > Riders receive an individual handicap based on past performances, > but afterwards (before knowing others' results) can appeal to a > knowledgeable panel of judges (say, those who show up at Mugs > after the event!) for an added "compassionate" handicap. ... Another name for the event could be Please Indicate Times Yecchy (PITY). Depending on how late the decision is made at Mugs, we may have some negative times. Can your software handle minus 1 minute? I know, you already have that problem when cyclists do the course backwards. Tom - No spam, please Tom A. Trottier (after 2001 Oct 14) 415-400 Slater St. 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON CanadaOttawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 K1R 7V8 N45.417819 W75.70308N45.411993 W75.714613 -- Questions answered, Answers questioned -- http://abacurial.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 ICQ:57647974 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
>2. Do I get extra for being forced to wear a helmet? > Yeah about the 49 (or so) that Laurent Fignon gave to Greg L. :-) And if you do not wear a helmet you have to wear a pony tail. :-). Brian 01 Rocket 91 Burley Duet <>< -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Avery Burdett wrote: > 1. Do members of the Board get any seconds for dealing with this? It's hard to know which way he Mugster's 'll lean. > 2. Do I get extra for being forced to wear a helmet? Maybe you'd better start preparing your case. NO - I didn't mean that!!! Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Don't forget violations of Newton's Third Law of Motion. Any TT caught violating this law should automatically have their handicap cut in half, except on Thursdays, unless The Messiah shows up, and only if it's not raining, provided it is not a tie, in which case the absolute score will take precedence. Avery Burdett wrote: -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Under the gospel according to Bidlake, founder of the british system of time-trialling, all participants received a start sheet in the mail the week before the event. The start sheet, under a cover headed 'private and confidential', indicated not only the handicap to be awarded for that event but also described in detail the exact location of the course, which is identified in the calendar only by a code letter. Any rider failing to show up at the appointed time was given a time penalty and anyone failing to show up at all was expected to write a letter of apology to the timekeeper. While all of this has absolutely nothing to do with the compution of handicaps for OBC events, it just goes to show that bureaucracy in cycling has deep roots and that these are not confind to Ottawa. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: OBC > Subject: Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE? > > Rosella Mac Neil wrote: > > > 1) Is it OK to combine two or more excusxxx er, handicaps, like maybe if > > a rider is an engineer who wore a dress - only once - and had ridden > > 1200 km in new shorts the previous weekend? > > Again, final decisions to the Mugsters. Fine by the programmer - though > the > waiver will have to indicate that all excuses will be listed in the > results > (no work for me whatsoever - they'll be placed like the team names were in > the last WTT). > > > 2) Have you been working with more engineers lately than you usually do? > > No. > > > ...than you usually can tolerate? > > I suspect that you're pulling my leg, but I don't get this one. I've > always > been exceptionally fond of our IEEE (idiosyncratic, even eccentric > engineering) participants! > > Celia > > -- > To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 > Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb > Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter > -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Celia, Re your IEEE suggestions (including the one directed at engineers) They're great - they should work out just fine! I certainly think you should do more of that slow riding - obviously, it stimulates the brain. I have just a couple of questions. 1) Is it OK to combine two or more excusxxx er, handicaps, like maybe if a rider is an engineer who wore a dress - only once - and had ridden 1200 km in new shorts the previous weekend? 2) Have you been working with more engineers lately than you usually do? ...than you usually can tolerate? Rosella And my apologies to any engineer who might be offended! -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
"Simpson, Bob" wrote: > I fear that lawyers and good debaters (except perhaps those who are mathematicians and tired and impatient and maybe even cranky sometimes (apologies!))... > or negotiators will have an advantage > here, so they must be negatively handicapped to start with. Those who are > meek and non-confrontational should receive a several second handicap. Hmmm - the world isn't enough??? > I would like to put forth conclusively that I am of the meek variety and if > you don't agree with that I will sue for those seconds and minutes. I guess we'd better get to work on the waivers! Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Rosella Mac Neil wrote: > 1) Is it OK to combine two or more excusxxx er, handicaps, like maybe if > a rider is an engineer who wore a dress - only once - and had ridden > 1200 km in new shorts the previous weekend? Again, final decisions to the Mugsters. Fine by the programmer - though the waiver will have to indicate that all excuses will be listed in the results (no work for me whatsoever - they'll be placed like the team names were in the last WTT). > 2) Have you been working with more engineers lately than you usually do? No. > ...than you usually can tolerate? I suspect that you're pulling my leg, but I don't get this one. I've always been exceptionally fond of our IEEE (idiosyncratic, even eccentric engineering) participants! Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
I fear that lawyers and good debaters or negotiators will have an advantage here, so they must be negatively handicapped to start with. Those who are meek and non-confrontational should receive a several second handicap. I would like to put forth conclusively that I am of the meek variety and if you don't agree with that I will sue for those seconds and minutes. Simpson - Celia wrote: Also, when rolling through the countryside this afternoon, and thinking about Simpson's concerns about sore toes, busy work weeks and individualized handicapping, I thought of this (I guess I should have been riding faster): Idiosyncratic Exceed Expectations Event (IEEE) Riders receive an individual handicap based on past performances, but afterwards (before knowing others' results) can appeal to a knowledgeable panel of judges (say, those who show up at Mugs after the event!) for an added "compassionate" handicap. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Just to let you know, the age/gender handicapped results from Sep06 will disappear from our site when I update the TT results next Thursday, so if you want a copy, grab it before then. Also, when rolling through the countryside this afternoon, and thinking about Simpson's concerns about sore toes, busy work weeks and individualized handicapping, I thought of this (I guess I should have been riding faster): Idiosyncratic Exceed Expectations Event (IEEE) Riders receive an individual handicap based on past performances, but afterwards (before knowing others' results) can appeal to a knowledgeable panel of judges (say, those who show up at Mugs after the event!) for an added "compassionate" handicap. Some sample grounds for consideration: There was a really big, really dead groundhog on the road and I ran over it! My foot was so sore that I had to do the whole event single legged. I wore new shorts on my regular 1200km weekend ride and now I have saddle sores and had to ride the whole TT standing up. I crashed three times in the event. I'm an engineer and I just couldn't get my mind off of work. I'm a man, and I just don't have enough experience riding in a dress. I know that you have no data on me, but do I really look as fast as THAT guy? I'm too tired to even tell you why. I can't breathe well when I'm laughing. ... Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
Simpson, Bob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > I fear that lawyers and good debaters or negotiators will have an advantage > here, so they must be negatively handicapped to start with. Those who are > meek and non-confrontational should receive a several second handicap. > > I would like to put forth conclusively that I am of the meek variety and if > you don't agree with that I will sue for those seconds and minutes. Bob, At the moment the waiver doesn't cover for such errors and ommission, so I'd appreciate it if you would allow us a year or two to have it modified. This will of course require us to go the the OCA to ensure it complies with its sanctioning rules. The OCA will need time to go to the CCA who will review the general liability insurance policy as I'm sure they never anticipated the possiblity of being sued over a handicapping system. (They did cover the second coming of Christ though, just in case he shows up on a Thursday night.) The CCA must consult not only with the UCI who will want to know if the TT adds seconds to paticipants riding on non-diamond shaped frames or who have high red blood cell counts, but also the insurance broker, who in turn will communicate with the insurance underwriter. The latter will be forced to compile new actuarial tables. The underwriter is affiliated with Lloyds of London. Now as you know, Lloyds of London is not a corporation but a collection of Englsih old boys known as "names" or some such archaic term from Shakespeare's time. They too will have to consult each other from the depths of the Empire and take a vote. God knows what they do if there's a tie. Any changes filtering back through the layers (or is that lawyers?) will then have to go back to the OBC Board, then to the annual meeting of members followed by two pages of explanations in the Spokesperson. If everything goes smoothly, none of the members of the Board will suffer public execution. I have questions too. 1. Do members of the Board get any seconds for dealing with this? 2. Do I get extra for being forced to wear a helmet? > > Simpson > > - > > Celia wrote: > Also, when rolling through the countryside this afternoon, and thinking > about Simpson's concerns about sore toes, busy work weeks and > individualized handicapping, I thought of this (I guess I should have > been riding faster): > > Idiosyncratic Exceed Expectations Event (IEEE) > > Riders receive an individual handicap based on past performances, but > afterwards (before knowing others' results) can appeal to a > knowledgeable panel of judges (say, those who show up at Mugs after the > event!) for an added "compassionate" handicap. > > -- > To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 > Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb > Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter > > -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
