[obrolan-bandar] Re: UNTR

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik Deddy
heheh dari 4300 dah ta hajar kanan, 4700 tak hajar kanan lagi utk avg 
up. yg mau short silahkan. tgt saya di 5000 dah kena.

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 tapi masak sih bisa naik terus sih ... apa mesti cover short 
sekarang karena
 prediksi saya naiknya terlalu cepat ... anyway thanks informasinya 
kalau
 floating sharenya ternyata di market sudah sedikit sekali.
 
 
 
 
 On 4/7/06, Tri Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Bung Arifin,
 
  Be careful dengan UNTR, floating sharenya udah dikit banget.
  Jangan dilawan dech 
 
 
  At 12:27 07/04/2006, you wrote:
 
  Gila ini salah kok kebal banget dan ngeyel sih ... masak tiap 
dishort
  malah naik ... keep short???
 
 
 
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] INDEKS KETINGGIAN?

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik amgsby-qmr
Kalau boleh saya urun rembuk,
Mestinya sebelum berinvestasi kita HARUS tentukan dulu TUJUAN
investasi, mau Jk PENDEK atau Jk PANJANG, atau kombinasi.

Jadi anda ngak bingung, karena banyak pilihan saham yang bisa
menghasilkan GAIN tinggi mulai dai 20% s/d 48% per tahun.
Kalau saya pribadi lebih senang yang KOMBINASI, mengapa karena
lebih FLEKSIBLE dalam mendapatkan gain tsb.

Biasanya bagi yang banyak kesibukan/ ngak bisa MONITOR tiap hari
lebih senang yang inves. Jk PANJANG, sedang yang bisa Monitor bisa
Jk. PENDENG - MENENGAH, gitu lho. Tapi tentunnya anda sudah
menganalisisnya tiap saham.

salam,
andri




Wah saya rasa nggak ketinggian. Fundamentally masih banyak perusahaan yg
punya growth. Apalagi IHSG udah jarang anomali dgn regoinal. Cuma masalah
naiknya earlier or later.
Kalo baca buku The Future of Investor by jeremy Spiegel, beliau bilang
kalo GDP growth masih di bawah 7%, justru equty market bisa tumbuh beyond
expectation. justru kalo ekonomi tumbuh kenceng macem RRC, index saham give
bad return, soalnya high expectation.

Bonardo Paruntungan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hmm... enaknya bilang Indeks dah KETINGGIAN atau
 TEKNIKAL KOREKSI yah?... soalnya kalu dibilang
 ketinggian dilihat darimana?

 mungkin saya salah ngerti.. mohon pencerahan...

 4 hari kedepan... jumat akan libur panjang lagii...
 akankah lesu atau TANCAP GAS? dan kamis akan LIBUR
 panjaang lagi... moment LESU darahkan JSX nanti?
 atau perkiraan pak oentung yang meleset the lowest
 Indeks.. justru akan terjadi di bulan APRIL..
 - LOwest dalam artian dalam bulan APRIL JSX akan
 melesat sesuai optimisme 1400 - 1500 - 1600 dan
 SUPPORT di 1250 - 1270... mana saya tahu wong saya
 hanya mencollect info di milis ini =D tapi apa
 momentnya?
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: UNTR

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik Deddy
gmna pak oentoeng, how bout a whooping 18% gain in 1 week? beat INKP 
right? hehehe. btw TKIM saya kok gak oentoeng juga nih. tolong boss 
tarik dong tkimnya. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Deddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 heheh dari 4300 dah ta hajar kanan, 4700 tak hajar kanan lagi utk 
avg 
 up. yg mau short silahkan. tgt saya di 5000 dah kena.
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, James Arifin 
 james.arifin@ wrote:
 
  tapi masak sih bisa naik terus sih ... apa mesti cover short 
 sekarang karena
  prediksi saya naiknya terlalu cepat ... anyway thanks 
informasinya 
 kalau
  floating sharenya ternyata di market sudah sedikit sekali.
  
  
  
  
  On 4/7/06, Tri Star tristar@ wrote:
  
   Bung Arifin,
  
   Be careful dengan UNTR, floating sharenya udah dikit banget.
   Jangan dilawan dech 
  
  
   At 12:27 07/04/2006, you wrote:
  
   Gila ini salah kok kebal banget dan ngeyel sih ... masak tiap 
 dishort
   malah naik ... keep short???
  
  
  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: UNTR

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik budi suryono



never go short the rallying stock,bentuk lain dari bargain (buy low sell high).risk reward sangat tidak seimbang.salamDeddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  heheh dari 4300 dah ta hajar kanan, 4700 tak hajar kanan lagi utk avg up. yg mau short silahkan. tgt saya di 5000 dah kena.--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "James Arifin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tapi masak sih bisa naik terus sih ... apa mesti cover short sekarang karena prediksi saya naiknya terlalu cepat ... anyway thanks informasinya kalau floating sharenya ternyata di market sudah sedikit sekali. On 4/7/06, Tri Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Bung Arifin,   Be careful dengan UNTR, floating sharenya udah dikit
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[obrolan-bandar] INDEKS KETINGGIAN? IHSG........PENJELASAN .........Part 4

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q
Akhirnya KELIHATAN bahwa MASIH BANYAK di antara KITA yang masih 
BENGONG2.melihat KONDISI PASAR seperti ini.
Padahal sudah jadi MEMBER OBROLAN BANDAR..
Sebelumnya saya berterima-kasih atas perhatian teman2 OB thd semua 
KOMENTAR saya.
Kalau beberapa saat lalu (dan utk yang akan datang ) saya telah 
melakukan KESALAHAN dalam PREDIKSI.anggaplah itu semua 
KETERBATASAN SAYA sebagai manusia
Tetapi yang jelas saya akan terus melakukan YANG TERBAIK utk 
KEBERSAMAAN milis ini.
SOsaya SIAP DIKOREKSI KAPAN SAJADISUMPAHIN PUN 
MAU.SWEAR!
Semoga komentar saya bisa MEMBERI INSPIRASI kepada teman2 OB semua.
Kalau masih bingung dengan KETINGGIAN SEKARANG!? saya hanya memberi 
kata kunci dari MBAH KITA.jawabannya: FORMASI KUDA-KUDA!
1.Kita berawal dari JANUARI NGEPEK2 kalo masih ada yg ingat. Saat 
itu indeks masih kisaran 1100-an; akhirnya sekarang kita BERADA di 
1350-an!!!
Itu terjadi karena adanya FORMASI KUDA-KUDA.
Kalau tidak percaya sudah saya buktikan kemarin saya ngambil SMGR di 
23.000an sekarang sudah bisa jual 25.000an. Sama LSIP kemarin dapat 
di sekitar 3800 sekarang sudah 3900-an. Hari ini saya ngambil ASII.
2.FORMASI ini juga membuat RANCU rekomendasi suatu saham. Di saat 
KOREKSI BESAR-pun masih ada saham yg NAIK GILA2-an.
Terus terang BEBERAPA SAAT LALU saya sempat TERSEOK-SEOK setelah 
SHOCK terkena SERANGAN TOTAL FOOT BALL. Saya pikir akan 
ada COUNTER ATTACK. Saya tunggu sampai sekarang BELUM PERNAH 
TERJADI!? Saya langsung mengambil posisi SPORT JANTUNG sekitar 1320-
an kalau tidak salah.(berdasar isyarat Bung Vibby).
Selametnya saya cepat MENGENDALIKAN DIRI sehingga cepat MENGUASAI 
KEADAAN. Padahal saya tahu BIG SCENARIO dari bursa kita; masih bisa 
DIHANTAM kondisi seperti itu. Kelihatannya MBAH masih belum 
selesai MENENANGKAN DIRI.

Kesimpulan: 
1.Kalau ada yang bilang KONDISI SAAT INI sudah TINGGI; saya cuman 
komentar FORMASI KUDA-KUDA meng-ISYARAT-kan KONDISI YANG LEBIH 
TINGGI! Hanya sekarang KITA terus menunggu KOREKSI yang tak 
kunjung datang, karena NIAGARA SYNDROME..
2.Saya masih optimis CITA2 MBAH akan tercapai, demikian pula CITA2 
saya!
3.Saya sebenarnya dapat membantu teman2 OB kapan ENOUGH…..TRADING 
BUY/UP!….BECAUSE ……..MARKET START GOINGDOWN!?
Tetapi itu nanti akan saya UNGKAPKAN di AKHIR SERI PENJELASAN IHSG 
ini. 

NB: Buat teman2 yang masih bingung  jangan sungkan2 tanya saya 
yang PENUH KETERBATASAN ini. Karena HOT MONEY (dulu sudah saya 
ganti dengan SMART MONEY) terus BERPUTAR. Masak indeks 1150-an (awal 
tahun)sudah bergerak ke 1350-an (200 point) KITA MASIH BINGANG-
BINGUNG?
Kapan OENTOENG-nya???

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regoinal. Cuma masalah naiknya earlier or later.
   Kalo baca buku The Future of Investor by jeremy Spiegel, 
beliau bilang kalo GDP growth masih di bawah 7%, justru equty market 
bisa tumbuh beyond expectation. justru kalo ekonomi tumbuh kenceng 
macem RRC, index saham give bad return, soalnya high expectation.
 
 Bonardo Paruntungan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   hmm... enaknya bilang Indeks dah KETINGGIAN atau
 TEKNIKAL KOREKSI yah?... soalnya kalu dibilang
 ketinggian dilihat darimana?
 
 mungkin saya salah ngerti.. mohon pencerahan...
 
 4 hari kedepan... jumat akan libur panjang lagii...
 akankah lesu atau TANCAP GAS? dan kamis akan LIBUR
 panjaang lagi... moment LESU darahkan JSX nanti?
 atau perkiraan pak oentung yang meleset the lowest
 Indeks.. justru akan terjadi di bulan APRIL..
 - LOwest dalam artian dalam bulan APRIL JSX akan
 melesat sesuai optimisme 1400 - 1500 - 1600 dan
 SUPPORT di 1250 - 1270... mana saya tahu wong saya
 hanya mencollect info di milis ini =D tapi apa
 momentnya?
 
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To pak budi

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik budi suryono



Saya nggak tahu persis pak,saya hanya baca chart/volume dan arahnya naik,opportunity buat long,untuk MYOR,bukan prospek saya,nggak bisa komentar.rgdsoho milyuners [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Memang TMAS mau dibawa ke harga brapa pak?MYOR gmanapak?__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: UNTR

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik Andry










Bung TriStar,



Dimana bisa saya dapatkan info floating
share UNTR ??

Maap baru belajar



Andry











From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of budi suryono
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UNTR







never go short the rallying stock,bentuk lain dari
bargain (buy low sell high).risk reward sangat tidak seimbang.salam

Deddy
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heheh dari 4300 dah ta hajar
kanan, 4700 tak hajar kanan lagi utk avg 
up. yg mau short silahkan. tgt saya di 5000 dah
kena.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
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 tapi masak sih bisa naik terus sih ... apa
mesti cover short 
sekarang karena
 prediksi saya naiknya terlalu cepat ...
anyway thanks informasinya 
kalau
 floating sharenya ternyata di market sudah
sedikit sekali.
 
 
 
 
 On 4/7/06, Tri Star [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Bung Arifin,
 
  Be careful dengan UNTR, floating
sharenya udah dikit banget.
  Jangan dilawan dech 
 
 
  At 12:27 07/04/2006, you wrote:
 
  Gila ini salah kok kebal banget dan
ngeyel sih ... masak tiap 
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[obrolan-bandar] Index kira2 kpan sampe 1400

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik oho milyuners
Major koreksi qra2 brapa bulan lagi?


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[obrolan-bandar] FW: Commodity Strategists: Coal Prices May Beat Forecasts (PTBA???)

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik Siswa Rizali
apa pun beritanya, ptba tetap tenang.
benar2 nih saham menguji kesabaran.

rz

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pid=1081sid=aeSSauEu4hfUrefer=australia

Commodity Strategists: Coal Prices May Beat Forecasts, ANZ Says 
April 6 (Bloomberg) -- Asian contract prices for power- station coal 
may outpace forecasts because of colder weather in North Asia and 
Europe and disruptions to Indonesian exports, Australia  New Zealand 
Banking Group Ltd. said. 

Japanese utilities such as Tokyo Electric Power Co. may agree to pay 
as much as $47 a metric ton in the year that started April 1, up from 
$42 forecast in December, said Andrew Harrington, industry analyst at 
Australia's third-largest lender. Prices won't fall as much as 
predicted from last year's record of $53, he said. Citigroup Inc. 
expects $50 this year. 

Talks on annual prices in Asia have been delayed into the new 
Japanese business year as buyers resist demands by producers to renew 
contracts at last year's record price. Meantime, the price of coal 
sold for immediate delivery by producers in Australia such as Xstrata 
Plc and BHP Billiton has risen 46 percent since November, partly 
because of colder weather in Japan. 

``Talking with some of the participants, the outlook seems fairly 
positive for prices,'' Harrington, 32, said in an interview on March 
30. ``Generally, the contract price tends to be settled a couple of 
dollars discount to the spot price.'' 

The weekly globalCOAL NEWC Index of spot thermal coal prices for 
immediate delivery from Australia's Newcastle, the world's biggest 
coal-export harbor, rose 2.5 percent last week to $52.58, its highest 
since Jan. 7, 2005. The monthly Newcastle index rose to $50.80, its 
highest since July. Indonesia last year overtook Australia as the 
world's biggest exporter of coal used in power plants. 

Goldman, UBS 

Melbourne-based Goldman Sachs JBWere Pty is forecasting contract 
prices may be settled at $48 a ton this year, while UBS AG is 
forecasting $46 a ton. National Australia Bank Ltd. will raise its 
forecast of $42 later this month, probably to the high $40s, said 
Gerard Burg, a minerals and energy economist at the Melbourne-based 
bank. 

Zug, Switzerland-based Xstrata in November agreed to sell coal to 
Taiwan Power Co. in 2006 at about $40 a ton, Citigroup said in a Nov. 
10 report. At that time, exporters were seeking $45, the securities 
firm said, adding that the settlement may drag down other contract 
prices. In a March 31 report, Citigroup said prices may fall $3 this 
year. 

``Buyers seeking cargoes for May-June delivery will almost certainly 
be paying over $50 a ton'' excluding freight and insurance, Goldman 
said. ``The latest run-up in spot prices certainly strengthens the 
miners' position in their forthcoming contract negotiations with 
Japanese power utilities.'' 

Chinese Exports 

Chinese thermal coal exports fell 38 percent in January from a year 
earlier, to 3.5 million tons, Goldman Sachs JBWere said in a March 17 
report. Heavy rain has reduced productivity at Indonesian mines, 
while Australian coal shipments fell in February for the second 
straight month, to 17.16 million tons, 5.2 percent lower than 
February last year, it said. 

Producers of Australian thermal coal may take until after April to 
reach an agreement with their Japanese customers on prices this year, 
the Tex Report said March 27, without citing anyone. Japanese power 
producers are still aiming for a contract price in the $40-$45 a ton 
range, even as spot prices have increased past $50 a ton, it said. 

Indonesian miners may increase exports of coal by 5 percent this 
year, the slowest pace in five years, curbing overseas sales to meet 
domestic demand, T. Soedjoko, executive director of the Indonesian 
Coal Mining Association, said in January. Exports jumped 18 percent 
in 2005. 

Indonesia 

``Indonesian exports have really taken a hit, and that's factors such 
as the weather and these sort of things,'' Burg said April 4. ``A bit 
stronger demand too from Europe has tended to increase spot prices, 
not just for Newcastle, but for more dedicated European suppliers 
such as South Africa.'' 

Coal delivered within three months from Richards Bay, the world's 
second-biggest coal export harbor, increased 65 cents, or 1.1 
percent, to $58 a metric ton last week, the globalCOAL RB Index 
showed, the highest since the week ended Nov. 1, 2004. The globalCOAL 
ARA index for prices in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Antwerp was $66.04 
last week. 

AME Mineral Economics Pty, a Sydney-based minerals consulting firm, 
is forecasting Asian contract prices of at least $50 this year, up 
from a previous forecast of about $45, said Graham Wailes, a coal 
analyst. Supply problems in Indonesia, Australia, South Africa and 
China, together with a cold winter in northern Asia and increased 
U.S. imports have all contributed to the higher forecast, he said. 

``Short-term fundamentals have changed into 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] INDEKS KETINGGIAN? IHSG........PENJELASAN .........Part 4

2006-04-07 Terurut Topik Bonardo Paruntungan
sebagai respon yang baik pak oentoeng yang ejaan lama
=D.. hehe... 
betul sekali bahwa milis ini tidak melulu dan tidak
akan ada yang bisa memprediksi tepat (waktu dan harga
- kecuali yang punya UANG) dan saya mulai pelan-pelan
me - summarize info2 disini.. dan hebatnya tokoh-tokoh
disini punya karakteristik info saling melengkapi? 
HUEBAT.. SEMOGA ngak Kena BLACK LIST aja...hehhe..

nah pertanyaan yang BENGONG ini :
1. KOREKSI yang diidam-idamkan ternyata tak kunjung
datang? sedangkan posisi BANYAK YANG KELUAR - yang
pada akhirnya ambil posisi SPORT JANTUNGnya Pak
OENTOENG dari signal beberapa tokoh2? luar biasa..
hehhe.. tapi LSIP (sempet ambil di 2800an juga - AALI
udah dikoreksi ada artinya kah ini?)MEDC... hehhe...
ragu lagi-ragu lagi.. bosn ah.. (saya sempat kolek
di 3800an luamaaa buanget - eh kagak tahan hehhe)

2. Ekspektasi berdasar grafik (1 tahun) keluaran
embah.. ternyata berbalik MELEJIT? sungguh -
sungguh =D

3. CITA-CITA? wah saya kudu liat ulang lagi neh...
hehe.. masalahnya sang LONE RANGER jangan-jangan udah
'istirahat' neh (maaf mbah)..

4. kalu saja patokannya TLKM ASII ISAT UNTR ANTM MEDC
INCO SMGR? saat ini tinggal 2 yang belum bergerak
LIAR?
di kisaran 1300? akankah 2 itu MENGGELIAT? 

5. oh yah pak OENTOENG.. kiranya juga tak
sugkan-sungkan memberi PENJELASAN yang KHAS..
OENTOENG.. gitu lohhh.. hehhee...  

NB: Buat teman2 yang masih bingung  jangan sungkan2
tanya saya yang PENUH KETERBATASAN ini. Karena HOT
MONEY (dulu sudah saya ganti dengan SMART MONEY)
terus BERPUTAR. Masak indeks 1150-an (awal tahun)sudah
bergerak ke 1350-an (200 point) KITA MASIH BINGANG-
BINGUNG? kapan OENTOENG-nya???

NOTE : BINGUNG SIH ADA pak.. hehhe... tapi kan udah
diceritain tentang PSIKOLOGIS TENTERAM ala MILIS OB
gara-gara indeks 1300 luebiihhh... saya jadi NGEH
sama perkiraan salah satu economist BANK ASING.. dia
prediksi di Q1 (reach 1300) dan USD/IDR (paling bagus
9000-8900 atau meleset 9100 Q2) dan EOY 8900 (mantap)

CHEERS - INDEKS 1350...
YANG BELUM MENARI? h
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