[obrolan-bandar] Re: Lompatan Gajah
Tanda2 paling mudah adalah PNBN saat ini 450-455 kejadian (harganya NAIK) Kalau DILOMPATI kemungkinan harganya hari ini 425 ke bawah Coba bandingkan dengan BMRI yg hari ini "turun" dengan BNGA yg cenderung "sepi." Dibandingkan dengan minggu lalu? Tapi latar belakangnya begini BIG PICTURE adalah Penurunan Suku Bunga Dia akan berdampak langsung kepada BANKING Artinya para GAJAH akan bergerombol di sana; cuman di saham apa? Terus eksodusnya ke mana saja? Ini pemikiran dasarnya. Bagi saya PNBN cukup MENARIK dibandingkan BMRI dan BNGA. Yang jelas harga mereka sudah "cukup tinggi" dilihat dari AWAL PERJALANAN. Teori AIR sering digunakan oleh para GAJAH.. Mereka akan terus MENGALIR menuju HARGA yg lebih RENDAH (MENARIK dlm konteks ini) Kelihatannya ke Panin Groups pengamatan saya alasannya; - RI sudah SELESAI - Banyak Gajah menghindari RI karena akan meningkatkan prosentase ALOKASI DANA. Namun berbeda kalau dilihat RI PNBN; cukup eksklusif; pernah saya bahas - Dll Yang JELAS dilihat dari POTENSI RETURN PNBN dari harga 450 (hari ini) ada POTENSI ke 560-an dengan target 25%. * Angka 20-30% muncul karena BEGITULAH para Gajah memperhitungkan return gain utk SHORT/MEDIUM TERM. Mudahnya kalau kita punya 1 JT lot BNGA masak bisa TERJUAL SEMUANYA di harga 700??? Harus average sell ketika JUALAN dan average buy kalau lagi BELI. Dari sini akan terlihat SPACE yg cukup LUAS buat para TA Trader bermain. Makanya kalau kita punya DANA GAJAH mendapat RETURN 10-20% dalam waktu 6-12 bln khan masih MENARIK dibandingkan SBI; deposito; dll. Padahal pada kenyataannya kalau sudah CONFIRM akan terlaksana dalam waktu 10 hari; 30 hari(1 bln); atau KURANG dari 3 bln . Tidak percaya??? Lihat saja ngejozz-nya BDMN, ASII, BMRI, ISAT .. Kata Embah hasil kerjaan FUND STRATEGIST katanya Semoga anda tidak terlalu bingung; sehingga tdk menutup kemungkinan adanya pertanyaan lanjutan. Hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pertanyaan saya tetap sama pak Oen, tanda2 apa yang bisa membuat > anda menunjuk ke Panin Group? Masak karena RI selesai mesti ada > satu gerakan di market yang anda amati dengan cermat sebelumnya > sehingga kesimpulan bisa akurat... > Would you share the method with us please... > > Redy > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > wrote: > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > > wrote: > > > > > > Contoh mudahnya menurut saya.. > > > Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, > BNGA, > > > BMRI. > > > Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan > mana > > > yg goyang DOMBRET betulan? > > > Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana??? > > > Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP.. > > > > > Mas redy; masih ingat yg sedang saya amati dengan komentar di atas? > > Dari pengamatan dan hasil INTIPAN...para GAJAH sedang melompat ke > > PANIN GROUPS > > Sasaran Tembak adalah SEMUA yg sudah RI saat ini. > > Hari ini PNBN yg terakhir.. > > > > Jadi pilihannya: PNBN, PNBN-W; PNIN, PNIN-W; PNLF,PNLF-W > > > > RI has COMPLETED...so > > > > Disclaimer always ON > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] ADHI KARYA akan RI
http://www.etrading.co.id/newetrading/index.php?ar_id=1336 Adhi akan RI, ZP (Kim Eng) prediksi angka di 330-350... dengan target 600milyar, saya belum hitung berapa ratio nya... ada yang bisa bantu? Redy Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: UNSP...any info, pls?
Terimakasih atas warningnya sejak ketipu Bumi saya sudah putuskan tidak akan maen saham Bakri lagi. perilaku mereka persis dengan perilaku Enron wuih dendam banget ya :) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, " Marjan Syah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jauhin dulu grup Bakrie Pak untuk sementara waktu karena semua corporate > actionnya kabar kabur.. Tunggu sampai semuanya jelas mulai dari merger > BUMI-ENRG, penjualan Arutmin+KPC, kasus Lapindo dan lain2. > > Regards, > Marjan > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] UNSP...any info, pls?
Jauhin dulu grup Bakrie Pak untuk sementara waktu karena semua corporate actionnya kabar kabur.. Tunggu sampai semuanya jelas mulai dari merger BUMI-ENRG, penjualan Arutmin+KPC, kasus Lapindo dan lain2. Regards, Marjan __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] RE: IHSG Big Picture di EW - Will History Repeat Itself?
betul sekali eyang... bisa juga ke 1180 atau retracement 61.8% dari wave a. akan tetapi jika ternyata wave c terbentuk di sekitar 1330-1350 maka itu berarti terjadi failure dari wave a yang artinya menurut aturan ew adalah sbb: It could be shorter in which case it normally is a failure, which foretells an acceleration in the opposite direction. jika failure terjadi pada wave c, maka berarti akan ada akselerasi kencang ke arah bullish... demikian kira2 terjemahannya. salam, Rony From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Soeratman DoerachmanSent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:45To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] FW: [junior_Trader] IHSG Big Picture di EW - Will History Repeat Itself? Dear Rony Mohon djelaskan yg saya beri tanda high light merah. Untuk teman-teman yang lain untuk diketahui saya kira yang dibuat rony atau boyz adalah buatan robot apakah itu alpha omega atau prognosis. Kembali program apapun yg kita pakai “they cannot beat the market” They only give indication. Tinggal kita menentukan the degree of accuracy mereka setelah kita coba pakai berkali-kali (melalui system back test) Saran bagi teman di J-Club. Pakailah EW dikombinasikan dengan Fibonacci spt yg dilakukan oleh Ronny. EW dan Fib kita bisa sebut sbg “Two in One” ( pada j-Club akan biki kongkow2/diskusi ttg EW/Fib utk para membernya) From: Rony Santoso [mailto:stockupdate@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:48 AM Saya coba bandingkan hasil ew di bulan puasa tahun 2004 dengan prediksi ew bulan puasa 2006 Will history repeat itself? Ataukah jika menurut aturan ew: Targets for wave C Wave C has a length of at least 61.8% of wave A (apakah bukan tidak mungkin disamping ke 1220 dia juga ke sekitar 1180?). It could be shorter in which case it normally is a failure, which foretells an acceleration in the opposite direction. Generally wave C is equal to wave A or travels a distance of 161.8% of wave A. Wave C often reaches 161.8% of the length of wave A in an Expanded Flat. In a contracting Triangle wave C often is 61.8% of wave A. di mana koreksi wave c harus sama/dibawah 61.8% dari wave a maka di dapat target koreksi maksimal di 1220 (wave a sebelumnya) perhatikan juga chart DJIA terlampir di mana correction wave a & wave c kurang lebih sejajar. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] [EBOOK SAHAM] William F Eng - The Day Trader's Manual
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[obrolan-bandar] UNSP?????
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Thank you... That was usefull information for all You very generous to share that kind of information to us Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ms. banking...what a name... > it is a good question and only God knows how to answer it > Anyway, if we have good observation over fund flows including scheduled of bonds issue and maturity either in domestic and world markets you will be the champion in investment...This will lead you to know than some hedged funds that were coming in to the jakarta market (in example) when the main index hit its three month low of 1274 on June 14 will have its maturity done by Sep 14, meaning some selling pressure could occur by that date... bear in mind that, the hedged fund only need a 3% to 6% margin to get out of our marketthe percentage margin means hundred of millions dollar... (amazing, rite..?) so, from now until Sep 14, the main index could move up and down by limited range of 5 and 38 points... > if you mean short time is daysi must say there should n\nothing to worry...but, let's see what market makers can do to stay alert ahead of the sep 14 > a disclaimerthou... > cheers > > > "Ms. Banking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Frederick, so meaning to say, u think probably there will be no BIG correction in JSX in a short time? Thanks for sharing with us. > > > - > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > - > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Thanks for sharing Mr Fred. GBUFrederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ms. banking...what a name... it is a good question and only God knows how to answer it Anyway, if we have good observation over fund flows including scheduled of bonds issue and maturity either in domestic and world markets you will be the champion in investment...This will lead you to know than some hedged funds that were coming in to the jakarta market (in example) when the main index hit its three month low of 1274 on June 14 will have its maturity done by Sep 14, meaning some selling pressure could occur by that date... bear in mind that, the hedged fund only need a 3% to 6% margin to get out of our marketthe percentage margin means hundred of millions dollar...(amazing, rite..?) so, from now until Sep 14, the main index could move up and down by limited range of 5 and 38 points... if you mean short time is daysi must say there should n\nothing to worry...but, let's see what market makers can do to stay alert ahead of the sep 14 a disclaimerthou... cheers "Ms. Banking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr. Frederick, so meaning to say, u think probably there will be no BIG correction in JSX in a short time? Thanks for sharing with us. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Lompatan Gajah
Pertanyaan saya tetap sama pak Oen, tanda2 apa yang bisa membuat anda menunjuk ke Panin Group? Masak karena RI selesai mesti ada satu gerakan di market yang anda amati dengan cermat sebelumnya sehingga kesimpulan bisa akurat... Would you share the method with us please... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > wrote: > > > > Contoh mudahnya menurut saya.. > > Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, BNGA, > > BMRI. > > Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan mana > > yg goyang DOMBRET betulan? > > Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana??? > > Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP.. > > > Mas redy; masih ingat yg sedang saya amati dengan komentar di atas? > Dari pengamatan dan hasil INTIPAN...para GAJAH sedang melompat ke > PANIN GROUPS > Sasaran Tembak adalah SEMUA yg sudah RI saat ini. > Hari ini PNBN yg terakhir.. > > Jadi pilihannya: PNBN, PNBN-W; PNIN, PNIN-W; PNLF,PNLF-W > > RI has COMPLETED...so > > Disclaimer always ON > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Ms. banking...what a name... it is a good question and only God knows how to answer it Anyway, if we have good observation over fund flows including scheduled of bonds issue and maturity either in domestic and world markets you will be the champion in investment...This will lead you to know than some hedged funds that were coming in to the jakarta market (in example) when the main index hit its three month low of 1274 on June 14 will have its maturity done by Sep 14, meaning some selling pressure could occur by that date... bear in mind that, the hedged fund only need a 3% to 6% margin to get out of our marketthe percentage margin means hundred of millions dollar...(amazing, rite..?) so, from now until Sep 14, the main index could move up and down by limited range of 5 and 38 points... if you mean short time is daysi must say there should n\nothing to worry...but, let's see what market makers can do to stay alert ahead of the sep 14 a disclaimerthou... cheers "Ms. Banking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr. Frederick, so meaning to say, u think probably there will be no BIG correction in JSX in a short time? Thanks for sharing with us. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] UNSP...any info, pls?
Terakhir di Bisnis Indonesia kalo nggak salah baca FIDELITY (mutual fund manager amrik) jualan UNSP 4,6jt lembar saham atau 9200 lot. Alasan switching ke BNBR. Nggak jelas juga kenapa. Tapi ada baiknya nggak beli sekarang. Takut Right Issue, soalnya opsi pendanaan cuma 2: Right Issue atau Bond. Mudah2an sih BOND! Saya sangat berharap sekali. Ngomong2 coupn bond rate nya berapa persen yg merek mau ? Harus di bawah 10% ? SBI target desember turun ke berapa yah?Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Any info why UNSP dibuang ?... pdhal emiten ini termasuk wish listnya Pak EKA. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: UNSP...any info, pls?
Yang kebakaran kemaren kebun dia bukan? Info gak terlalu jelas... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any info why UNSP dibuang ?... pdhal emiten ini termasuk wish listnya Pak EKA. > > > - > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Lompatan Gajah
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Contoh mudahnya menurut saya.. > Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, BNGA, > BMRI. > Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan mana > yg goyang DOMBRET betulan? > Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana??? > Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP.. > Mas redy; masih ingat yg sedang saya amati dengan komentar di atas? Dari pengamatan dan hasil INTIPAN...para GAJAH sedang melompat ke PANIN GROUPS Sasaran Tembak adalah SEMUA yg sudah RI saat ini. Hari ini PNBN yg terakhir.. Jadi pilihannya: PNBN, PNBN-W; PNIN, PNIN-W; PNLF,PNLF-W RI has COMPLETED...so Disclaimer always ON Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Mr. Frederick, so meaning to say, u think probably there will be no BIG correction in JSX in a short time? Thanks for sharing with us. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] UNSP...any info, pls?
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Make sense so the bottom line here is use right tools on the right market environment... So Mr. FS, can you advice what tools are suited to our JSX market, I just use channeling (very simple I think) and some of indicator, so far it's worked quite good. Am I miss something, maybe some tips from you will be highly appreciated I just remember the Kiyosaki said about investment... KISS... keep it simple... Please advice... TIA Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the reason is because of that the charting like EW may be adaptable to a stock market which has trading beta of more than 3 times within 26 day average trade Indonesian stock market had it in May 17 and May 19...but, that was mostly because of the huge redemption in the mutual fund sector due to higher risk from the interest rate aversion... > so, every time you try to get the EW into the JSX charting you will always find amazing low support as well as resistance...which possibility is less than 20%... > just sharing...i don't have any intention to criticize anyone... > and a disclaimer as well, thou... > regards > Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you tell us the reason Sir? May be it will gives us mor clear picture about your statement > Cheers too > > > From: Frederick Schubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:07 AM > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? > > > and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the very worst scenario... > > cheers > > redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me > myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY > IS RULES!! > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > wrote: > > > > The support level of the main index for the third quarter is > likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the > fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based > on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against > macroeconomic development.. > > just sharing and don't trust me.. > > disclaimer also, thou... > > cheers > > > > > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, > > > > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat > yang berbeda-beda. > > > > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena > TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. > > > > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME > FRAME. > > > > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. > > > > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF > > > > > > Goodluck > > > > Rony > > > > > > - > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boyz > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52 > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut > Elliot Wave? > > > > > > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C > terdiri > > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right? > > > > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan > berlangsung > > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan? > > > > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut > khan ? > > > > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective > Cycle" > > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih > Alternative > > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak? > > > > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih > rendah > > dari a (diatas 1222) > > -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222 > > -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya > lebih lama > > > > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p) > > > > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can > Never > > Become a Prophet." > > > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > > > > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b > di 1441 > > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250. > > > > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda > buruk buat > > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish. > > > > > > CMIIW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Get your own web address for just $1.9
Re: FW: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Yang jelas saya mengakui kalau kurang "gape" dlm menggambar... apalagi dikaitkan dg EllWave. Namun gambaran dari saya adalah berdasar BANYAK INDICATOR; Seperti Rating yg dinaikkan, Inflasi yg cenderung turun, suku bunga yg akan mengikuti turun,..IDR yg cukup stabil, dll... Jadi buat yg senang menggambar...saya harapkan yg OPTIMIS dalam menarik garis dll...utk LONG TERM Sedangkan short/medium kalau bisa dibikin sideways saja... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Saya setuju kalau pada cuci gudang Bozz akan cenderung narik > lebih kencang... muatan ringan dan kita cuma bisa melongo > ketinggalan kereta :) > This is probabilities game kalau saya, saya tunggu sampai > trailing stop saya tersentuh... baru deh sell off... mash profit > kok... kalau ternyata ditarik... yummmy > Saya masih ingat tulisan disini tentang roket. semakin tinggi > semakin ringan naiknya. > But that just me > Mbah, pak Oen ditunggu petunjuknya > > Redy > www.geocities.com/velocyraptor50 > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Soeratman Doerachman" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dengan minta ijin dari n mr "boyz" saya mencoba mengcopy gambar > postingnya > > ttg E-Wave. Saya melihat gambar yg hampir sempurna dari salah satu > cycle nya > > E-Wave kecuali ada sedikit yang mengganjal yaitu wave 3 yang lebih > pendek > > dari wave 1 yg "rule" nya wave 3 seharusnya adalah wave yg > terpanjang dari > > wave 1,2,3,4,5. Walaupun demikian gambar telah cukup memberikan > representasi > > dari siklus EW. Di kombinasikan dengan posting Vibby ttg > terjadinya "Wedge > > Pattern" maka keduanya saling memberikan konfirmasi bahwa > IHSG "kemungkinan" > > turun dengan menuju wave "c". > > > > Kalau tidak terjadi? Jawabannya sangat gampang sebagai "escape" > yaitu > > marketlah yang selalu benar. Bandar bisa menjungkir balikan > statement "the > > market is always right"? Tentu saja bisa, but we have to remember > that > > "Bandar" is also part of the market. Bukankah market merupakan > tempat > > berkumpulnya penjual dan pembeli dimana termasuk Bandar didalamnya? > > > > > > > > Berdasarkan kondisi diatas maka posisi saya saat ini "flat" alias > cuci > > gudang dulu saja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: boyz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:57 PM > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut > Elliot > > Wave? > > > > > > > > with the fibonacci Retracement ... > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Mr. FS, please explain about the Mexico and Saudia market, and why the EW is applicable for them I trully not understand, I like your's rational argument, please seed some light here New kind of knowledge will always help us in the future. TIA Redy Herinanto --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the very worst scenario... > cheers > > redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me > myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY > IS RULES!! > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > wrote: > > > > The support level of the main index for the third quarter is > likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the > fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based > on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against > macroeconomic development.. > > just sharing and don't trust me.. > > disclaimer also, thou... > > cheers > > > > > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, > > > > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat > yang berbeda-beda. > > > > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena > TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. > > > > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME > FRAME. > > > > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. > > > > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF > > > > > > Goodluck > > > > Rony > > > > > > - > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boyz > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52 > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut > Elliot Wave? > > > > > > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C > terdiri > > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right? > > > > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan > berlangsung > > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan? > > > > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut > khan ? > > > > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective > Cycle" > > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih > Alternative > > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak? > > > > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih > rendah > > dari a (diatas 1222) > > -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222 > > -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya > lebih lama > > > > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p) > > > > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can > Never > > Become a Prophet." > > > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > > > > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b > di 1441 > > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250. > > > > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda > buruk buat > > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish. > > > > > > CMIIW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > Small Business. > > > > > > > > > - > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
the reason is because of that the charting like EW may be adaptable to a stock market which has trading beta of more than 3 times within 26 day average trade Indonesian stock market had it in May 17 and May 19...but, that was mostly because of the huge redemption in the mutual fund sector due to higher risk from the interest rate aversion... so, every time you try to get the EW into the JSX charting you will always find amazing low support as well as resistance...which possibility is less than 20%... just sharing...i don't have any intention to criticize anyone... and a disclaimer as well, thou... regardsSoeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can you tell us the reason Sir? May be it will gives us mor clear picture about your statement Cheers too From: Frederick Schubert [mailto:pemainbesar@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:07 AMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the very worst scenario...cheersredyherinantoalb yahoo.com> wrote:Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY IS RULES!!--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> The support level of the main index for the third quarter is likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against macroeconomic development..> just sharing and don't trust me..> disclaimer also, thou...> cheers> > > Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Saya setuju dengan bung boyz,> > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda.> > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda.> > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME.> > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides.> > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF> > > Goodluck> > Rony> > > -> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] On Behalf Of boyz> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?> > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right?> > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan?> > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ?> > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak?> > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah > dari a (diatas 1222)> -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222> -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lama> > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p)> > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never > Become a Prophet."> > Rony Santoso wrote:> > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250.> > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish.> > > > CMIIW.> > > > > > > > -> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is sub
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Can you tell us the reason Sir? May be it will gives us mor clear picture about your statement Cheers too From: Frederick Schubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:07 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the very worst scenario... cheers redyherinantoalb yahoo.com> wrote: Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY IS RULES!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote: > > The support level of the main index for the third quarter is likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against macroeconomic development.. > just sharing and don't trust me.. > disclaimer also, thou... > cheers > > > Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, > > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda. > > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. > > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME. > > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. > > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF > > > Goodluck > > Rony > > > - > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com] On Behalf Of boyz > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52 > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? > > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right? > > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan? > > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ? > > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak? > > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah > dari a (diatas 1222) > -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222 > -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lama > > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p) > > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never > Become a Prophet." > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250. > > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish. > > > > CMIIW. > > > > > > > > - > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the very worst scenario... cheersredyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY IS RULES!!--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> The support level of the main index for the third quarter is likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against macroeconomic development..> just sharing and don't trust me..> disclaimer also, thou...> cheers> > > Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Saya setuju dengan bung boyz,> > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda.> > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda.> > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME.> > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides.> > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF> > > Goodluck> > Rony> > > -> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] On Behalf Of boyz> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?> > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right?> > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan?> > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ?> > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak?> > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah > dari a (diatas 1222)> -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222> -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lama> > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p)> > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never > Become a Prophet."> > Rony Santoso wrote:> > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250.> > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish.> > > > CMIIW.> > > > > > > > -> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Setuju sekali dg Mr.Redy... You'll be right & may the 'market' (i.e. SUPER BOZZ + BOZZ) support in taking that positions... * Global DJ + regional masih mendukung/favourables (+) dalam waktu segera/pendek/menengah * Inflasi cenderung OK (single digit) + BI rate menjadi 10 - 11 % sampe akhir taon ini * Hanya faktor IDR yg sempet melemah sebentar - krn efek ikutan (temporer) dari asumsi RAJP (angka 9,300 - mungkin saja fakta sebenernya akan tidak segitu < 9,000, nantinya) * FX Broker masih dalam posisi net buy atau paling tidak masih banyak banget beli2... * Dari data dalam bentuk angka2 utk LQ-45 di bawah (i.e.smoothing data dari si Indeks - agar spy relatif tersaring 'bersih' shg menjadi steril/isolasi) - penurunan yg terjadi minggu lalu itu ternyata tidak diiringi dg vol/val yg membesar/relatif kecil... :) Btw cuci gudang itu, maskudnya mungkin 'gudangnya' saja yg dibersih2-in dulu, ya - spy tampak bagus2 terlihat dr luar... Regards, Aria -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of redyherinantoalb Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:34 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? Saya setuju kalau pada cuci gudang Bozz akan cenderung narik lebih kencang... muatan ringan dan kita cuma bisa melongo ketinggalan kereta :) This is probabilities game kalau saya, saya tunggu sampai trailing stop saya tersentuh... baru deh sell off... mash profit kok... kalau ternyata ditarik... yummmy Saya masih ingat tulisan disini tentang roket. semakin tinggi semakin ringan naiknya. But that just me Mbah, pak Oen ditunggu petunjuknya Redy www.geocities.com/velocyraptor50 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Soeratman Doerachman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dengan minta ijin dari n mr "boyz" saya mencoba mengcopy gambar postingnya > ttg E-Wave. Saya melihat gambar yg hampir sempurna dari salah satu cycle nya > E-Wave kecuali ada sedikit yang mengganjal yaitu wave 3 yang lebih pendek > dari wave 1 yg "rule" nya wave 3 seharusnya adalah wave yg terpanjang dari > wave 1,2,3,4,5. Walaupun demikian gambar telah cukup memberikan representasi > dari siklus EW. Di kombinasikan dengan posting Vibby ttg terjadinya "Wedge > Pattern" maka keduanya saling memberikan konfirmasi bahwa IHSG "kemungkinan" > turun dengan menuju wave "c". > > Kalau tidak terjadi? Jawabannya sangat gampang sebagai "escape" yaitu > marketlah yang selalu benar. Bandar bisa menjungkir balikan statement "the > market is always right"? Tentu saja bisa, but we have to remember that > "Bandar" is also part of the market. Bukankah market merupakan tempat > berkumpulnya penjual dan pembeli dimana termasuk Bandar didalamnya? > > > > Berdasarkan kondisi diatas maka posisi saya saat ini "flat" alias cuci > gudang dulu saja. > > > > > > > > > > _ > > From: boyz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:57 PM > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot > Wave? > > > > with the fibonacci Retracement ... > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Interesting. is it because of possibility pause on the fed? Me myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY IS RULES!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The support level of the main index for the third quarter is likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against macroeconomic development.. > just sharing and don't trust me.. > disclaimer also, thou... > cheers > > > Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, > > TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda. > > sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. > > Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME. > > Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. > > Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF > > > Goodluck > > Rony > > > - > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boyz > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52 > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? > > > > Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri > dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right? > > kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan > Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung > sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan? > > dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci > Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 > (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ? > > Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" > kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative > Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak? > > - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah > dari a (diatas 1222) > -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222 > -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lama > > pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah > masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p) > > saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never > Become a Prophet." > > Rony Santoso wrote: > > > > > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250. > > > > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish. > > > > CMIIW. > > > > > > > > - > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share
thanks pak... it's always hard to give a fair value for mining companies given to the complexity of between cost of operation and administrative expenses against commodity prices... anyway, have a safe trading cheersMarjan Syah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Agree with you Mr. Fred.. I heard that there is a problem of sampling method of the mineral reserve. Some reserve has been downgraded from proven to probable when the authorities audit the mineral reserve report of some mining companies in Indonesia. Added with problems of plants shutdown it will hurt the expected value of the some mining companies. However the high mineral prices has hidden the real problem. Regards, Marjan Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: FW: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Mr. Soeratman, anda berkesimpulan : Di kombinasikan dengan posting Vibby ttg terjadinya „Wedge Pattern“ maka keduanya saling memberikan konfirmasi bahwa IHSG „kemungkinan“ turun dengan menuju wave „c“. saya kira anda terlalu cepat mengambil keputusan. coba anda lihat gambar berikut ini, bagaimana kesimpulan anda? gambar tsb memberi sudut pandang yang lebih optimis, tapi teorinya hal itu baru conform apa bila IHSG makes a new high. only time can answer . Soeratman Doerachman wrote: > > > > > Dengan minta ijin dari n mr “boyz” saya mencoba mengcopy gambar > postingnya ttg E-Wave. Saya melihat gambar yg hampir sempurna dari > salah satu cycle nya E-Wave kecuali ada sedikit yang mengganjal yaitu > wave 3 yang lebih pendek dari wave 1 yg ”rule” nya wave 3 seharusnya > adalah wave yg terpanjang dari wave 1,2,3,4,5. Walaupun demikian gambar > telah cukup memberikan representasi dari siklus EW. Di kombinasikan > dengan posting Vibby ttg terjadinya „Wedge Pattern“ maka keduanya saling > memberikan konfirmasi bahwa IHSG „kemungkinan“ turun dengan menuju wave „c“. > > Kalau tidak terjadi? Jawabannya sangat gampang sebagai „escape” yaitu > marketlah yang selalu benar. Bandar bisa menjungkir balikan statement > “the market is always right”? Tentu saja bisa, but we have to remember > that “Bandar” is also part of the market. Bukankah market merupakan > tempat berkumpulnya penjual dan pembeli dimana termasuk Bandar didalamnya? > > > > Berdasarkan kondisi diatas maka posisi saya saat ini “flat” alias cuci > gudang dulu saja. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: FW: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
mr. Soeratman, memang di dalam Ideal Complete Market Cycle, siklus 3 terpanjang dari siklus lain. but, don't forget about Extension. saya kutip pembahasan dari extension ini dari materi Comprehensive Course on the Wave Principles di www.elliotwave.com: Extension Most impulses contain what Elliott called an extension. Extensions are elongated impulses with exaggerated subdivisions. The vast majority of impulse waves do contain an extension in one and only one of their three actionary subwaves. At times, the subdivisions of an extended wave are nearly the same amplitude and duration as the other four waves of the larger impulse, giving a total count of nine waves of similar size rather than the normal count of "five" for the sequence. In a nine-wave sequence, it is occasionally difficult to say which wave extended. However, it is usually irrelevant anyway, since under the Elliott system, a count of nine and a count of five have the same technical significance. The diagrams in Figure 1-5, illustrating extensions, will clarify this point. mudah-mudahan membantu. salam, Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
The support level of the main index for the third quarter is likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against macroeconomic development.. just sharing and don't trust me.. disclaimer also, thou... cheers Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda. sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME. Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF Goodluck Rony From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com] On Behalf Of boyzSent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right?kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan?dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ?Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak?- kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah dari a (diatas 1222)-Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222-Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lamapendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p)saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never Become a Prophet."Rony Santoso wrote:> > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250.> > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish.> > CMIIW. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] IHSG Big Picture di EW - Will History Repeat Itself?
Saya coba bandingkan hasil ew di bulan puasa tahun 2004 dengan prediksi ew bulan puasa 2006 Will history repeat itself? Ataukah jika menurut aturan ew: Targets for wave C Wave C has a length of at least 61.8% of wave A. It could be shorter in which case it normally is a failure, which foretells an acceleration in the opposite direction. Generally wave C is equal to wave A or travels a distance of 161.8% of wave A. Wave C often reaches 161.8% of the length of wave A in an Expanded Flat. In a contracting Triangle wave C often is 61.8% of wave A. di mana koreksi wave c harus sama/dibawah 61.8% dari wave a maka di dapat target koreksi maksimal di 1220 (wave a sebelumnya) perhatikan juga chart DJIA terlampir di mana correction wave a & wave c kurang lebih sejajar. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ ihsg ew 2004 & 2006.png Description: PNG image djia wave a & c sejajar.png Description: PNG image
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Saya setuju dengan bung boyz, TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda. sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda. Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME FRAME. Benar yang mana? Let the market decides. Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF Goodluck Rony From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boyzSent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave? Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C terdiri dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right?kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan berlangsung sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan?dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut khan ?Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal Corrective Cycle" kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih Alternative Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak?- kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih rendah dari a (diatas 1222)-Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222-Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya lebih lamapendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p)saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can Never Become a Prophet."Rony Santoso wrote:> > > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b di 1441 > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250.> > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda buruk buat > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish.> > CMIIW. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
