[ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
- Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
  turun lagi.
- BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
- Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

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Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Peter Alimin
Berarti coal lain bakalan kena discount jg mbah? Dan ihsg siap2 koreksi dalem?
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Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical

  
 
 
 
- Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
 turun lagi.
 - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
 - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
 oleh pasar
 
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Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik ruzli . g7
Hmm.. BUMI aktif menanggapi masalah pinjaman CIC, ada udang di balik bakwan 
nih..

BUMI: Pinjaman CIC Bukan Obligasi, Waran, dan Saham

Agustina Melani

INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Manajemen PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI) mengakui instrumen 
utang dari pinjaman China Invesment Corporation (CIC) sebesar US$ 1,9 miliar 
tidak berupa obligasi, waran dan saham. 

Hal itu disampaikan Senior Vice President Investor Relations Bumi Resources, 
Dileep Srivastava,lewat pesan singkat yang diterima INILAH.COM, Sabtu (26/9). 
Pinjaman CIC kepada BUMI sebesar US$ 1,9 miliar sebagai pinjaman utang jangka 
panjang. Pinjaman CIC kepada BUMI memiliki potensi untuk membuka kesempatan 
kerjasama pada saat ini dan ke depannya, tutur Dileep.

Dileep mengatakan pinjaman ini digunakan untuk pertumbuhan bisnis batubara 
BUMI. Pinjaman tersebut adalah utang. Jadi tidak ada obligasi, waran dan 
saham, kerjasama ini diharapkan bisa membuka kesempatan bagi BUMI dan CIC saat 
ini dan ke depan tegasnya.

Pada keterbukaan informasi BEI, BUMI mendapatkan pinjaman sebesar US$ 1,9 
miliar dari CIC. BUMI menyebutkan tujuan pinjaman untuk melunasi seluruh 
pinjaman perseroan dan anak perusahaan yang ada. Investasi terdiri dari 600 
juta dollar AS yang dibayar kembali pada tahun ke- 4, 600 juta dollar AS di 
tahun ke-5,dan 700 juta dollar AS pada tahun ke-6.

PT Samuel Sekuritas ditunjuk sebagai arranger dan penasihat keuangan. Jones Day 
sebagai penasihat legal BUMI. Beberapa waktu lalu, pengamat pasar modal Willy 
Sanjaya, CIC melakukan ekspansi ke negara seperti Indonesia, Hong Kong, 
Singapura, India dan Australia. Menurutnya, pinjaman CIC ke BUMI memberikan 
sentimen positif untuk BUMI. [cms]

 
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From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:13:45 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical

- Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
  turun lagi.
- BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
- Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png






Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui
*CIC, Glencore, Credit Suisse and Bumi Resources. What are they up to?
hmm... [?] Anyway, CIC main investment strategy is to invest worldwide
especially in 1. Natural Resources, 2. Technology, 3. Defense. These are
basically the sectors that remains laggard in China. (they are very strong
on financial, and manufacturing, CIC will NOT invest aggresively on these
sectors)

CIC inv. policy is to invest passively, it means they will not seek nor want
to control/takeover any companies policy. They just want hedge against
inflation by pouring liquidity all over the world.

(I guess they don't like to hold US money so much hee)

Elaine* *
*

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jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
  turun lagi.
 - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
 - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

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Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Thomas Frederick
Betul pak rei, ngga selalu koreksi dalam.

Asal pihak2 yg berwenang itu jgn sampe bikin panic selling aja di bumi. 

99% akan kebanting semua.
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From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:21:54 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

Kan kalo jual Bumi angkat yg lain  vice versa...hehe

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Peter Alimin milis...@live.com wrote:

 Berarti coal lain bakalan kena discount jg mbah? Dan ihsg siap2 koreksi
 dalem?
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 Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical





 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
  turun lagi.
  - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
  - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

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Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Rei
Semoga deh pak Peter...Mbah deh yg lebih tahu tuh [?]

2009/9/26 Peter Alimin milis...@live.com

 Moga2 aja ya pak rei  pak tf.
 Turun 1bumi 5 yg laen naek...
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  Betul pak rei, ngga selalu koreksi dalam.

 Asal pihak2 yg berwenang itu jgn sampe bikin panic selling aja di bumi.

 99% akan kebanting semua.
 

 From:  Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:21:54 +0700
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI Technical



 Kan kalo jual Bumi angkat yg lain  vice versa...hehe


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  Berarti coal lain bakalan kena discount jg mbah? Dan ihsg siap2 koreksi
 dalem?
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  Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:13:45
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  - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
   turun lagi.
   - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
   - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
   oleh pasar

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Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Jacob Oen
H..Melunasi hutang dengan menciptakan hutang yang lebih besar dan 
dengan beban bunga yang lebih besar juga..

Kalau para PETANI dan PEDAGANG KECIL bisa punya kesempatan seperti ini, 
rasa-rasanya mereka tentu juga mau dan sangat berterima kasih.


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-Original Message-
From: ruzli...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:04:17 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

Hmm.. BUMI aktif menanggapi masalah pinjaman CIC, ada udang di balik bakwan 
nih..

BUMI: Pinjaman CIC Bukan Obligasi, Waran, dan Saham

Agustina Melani

INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Manajemen PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI) mengakui instrumen 
utang dari pinjaman China Invesment Corporation (CIC) sebesar US$ 1,9 miliar 
tidak berupa obligasi, waran dan saham. 

Hal itu disampaikan Senior Vice President Investor Relations Bumi Resources, 
Dileep Srivastava,lewat pesan singkat yang diterima INILAH.COM, Sabtu (26/9). 
Pinjaman CIC kepada BUMI sebesar US$ 1,9 miliar sebagai pinjaman utang jangka 
panjang. Pinjaman CIC kepada BUMI memiliki potensi untuk membuka kesempatan 
kerjasama pada saat ini dan ke depannya, tutur Dileep.

Dileep mengatakan pinjaman ini digunakan untuk pertumbuhan bisnis batubara 
BUMI. Pinjaman tersebut adalah utang. Jadi tidak ada obligasi, waran dan 
saham, kerjasama ini diharapkan bisa membuka kesempatan bagi BUMI dan CIC saat 
ini dan ke depan tegasnya.

Pada keterbukaan informasi BEI, BUMI mendapatkan pinjaman sebesar US$ 1,9 
miliar dari CIC. BUMI menyebutkan tujuan pinjaman untuk melunasi seluruh 
pinjaman perseroan dan anak perusahaan yang ada. Investasi terdiri dari 600 
juta dollar AS yang dibayar kembali pada tahun ke- 4, 600 juta dollar AS di 
tahun ke-5,dan 700 juta dollar AS pada tahun ke-6.

PT Samuel Sekuritas ditunjuk sebagai arranger dan penasihat keuangan. Jones Day 
sebagai penasihat legal BUMI. Beberapa waktu lalu, pengamat pasar modal Willy 
Sanjaya, CIC melakukan ekspansi ke negara seperti Indonesia, Hong Kong, 
Singapura, India dan Australia. Menurutnya, pinjaman CIC ke BUMI memberikan 
sentimen positif untuk BUMI. [cms]

 
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From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:13:45 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical

- Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
  turun lagi.
- BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
- Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png






Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Rei
Kan kalo jual Bumi angkat yg lain  vice versa...hehe

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Peter Alimin milis...@live.com wrote:

 Berarti coal lain bakalan kena discount jg mbah? Dan ihsg siap2 koreksi
 dalem?
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 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:13:45
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical





 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
  turun lagi.
  - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
  - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png 
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RE: [ob] OOT - Greetings

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Bozz Traders
Good idea Mbah.

 

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On Behalf Of hadiwij...@yahoo.co.id
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:15 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT - Greetings

 

  

Dear All,

Sedikit usul bung Admin, untuk greetings misalnya ucapan hari raya ataupun
ulang tahun ataupun suka cita ataupun dukacita agar bisa diwakili oleh tim
admin sementara untuk member diminta untuk memgirimkan japri. Bisa
dibayangkan kalau dari ribuan member ob semuanya mengirimkan greetings.
Begitu pula ucapan terima kasih ada baiknya disampaikan japri ataupun
disampaikan pada saat seseorang mengirimkan terima kasih.

Just my 2 cents. 

Regards,
Hadi

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Re: [ob] O I L - DATA

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik eka_maniezt
Thanks, Prof.

es

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 Subject: Re: [ob] O I L - DATA
 
 Prof, thanks datanya dan untuk update selanjutnya bisa di ambil dimana?, di 
 yahoo tidak ada data ohlc-nya.
 
 thanks
 es
 




Re: [ob] TELKOMSEL FLASH DAN SIMPATI YANG MENGECEWAKAN

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik inderaw...@gmail.com
You know what I mean lah pak.. :)

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Date: 26/09/2009 17:27

Kalau yg kerja di back office, punya toko atau tukang tagih masalah sedikit 
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[ob] DJIA Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
DJIA Technical

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwldjiazz.png

Garis Coklat sudah mengalami:
- 2 kali sebagai Resist Line (red circle)
- 2 kali sebagai Support line (green circle)

Apakah Garis Coklat akan kuat menjadi support untuk ketiga 
kalinya mengingat Garis Coklat sudah TERUJI ?




RE: [ob] Re: BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik EdBa
Wah...gawat neh pak iching.kira-kira bakalan merembet ke saham yang lain
atau IHSG gak Pak?

 

Regards,

 

EdBa

 

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On Behalf Of iching_prediction
Sent: 26 September 2009 17:23
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Technical

 

  


Hex 6.4 {conflict} to 59 {dissolution}

Kayaknya minggu depan bumi dlm situasi sulit. 
Sell on strength terutama di awal minggu depan

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mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@... wrote:

 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
 turun lagi.
 - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
 - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
 oleh pasar
 
 http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png




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Re: [ob] bumi?

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik M Herman
menurut pendapat saya , Tata lebih smart dr CIC karena dia langsung masuk ke 
KPC  dan arutmin ..bebrapa kali RUPS bumi bilang menjaminkan anak 2 usaha untuk 
utang...kita sbg investor bumi sampai sekarang gak tahu jumlah shm kpc dan 
arutmin yg udah dijaminkan bumi ...kalau bumi ampe default  mungkin yg untung 
kreditor yg udah megang shm KPC dan arutmin sbg jaminan utang ..anak usaha bumi 
yg lain boleh dibilang masih kecil kontribusinya

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 From: Peter Alimin milis...@live.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] bumi?
 To: OB  obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 7:36 PM
 D virtual trade, sy malah nyangkut di
 rimm 70,02usd
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 -Original Message-
 From: tirta...@yahoo.com
 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:50:05 
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] bumi?
 
   
  
  
  
 Just for fun. Alternative investing options.
  
  Peabody(US:BTU) 
  Coal sold 2008 : 256 ton
  TTM P/E : 11.5
  TTM P/FCF : 10.57 vs BUMI : 15.64
  
  Peabody Energy Corp.'s Corporate Governance Quotient
 (CGQ®) as of 1-Sep-09 is better than 27.1% of SP 500
 companies and 80.5% of Energy companies
  
  Or 
  
  (US:RIMM) which drop 17% right now and still a screaming
 buy fuel by Indonesian never ending quest for BB
  
  Cheers
  
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 mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , Bagus
 Putra Perdana disclosure@... wrote:
  
   ketuker dikit bos kpc target 70 juta ton arutmin 30
 juta ton.
   
   mudah2an aja sih kesampean. saya juga berharap
 begitu.
   
   gak segampang itu loh naekkin produksi signifikan
 ketika level produksinya
   udah di level 55 Juta Ton. mungkin buktinya bisa kita
 liat di capaian tahun
   ini. atau kita lihat di hasil H1 nanti.
   
   capaian produksi 2008 masih di 38 Juta Ton Untuk KPC
 dan 16 Juta Ton untuk
   Arutmin.
   
   
   Bandingkan sama katakanlah PTBA dan ITMG, Peningkatan
 5 Juta Ton per tahun
   aja bagi 2 emiten ini udah signifikan angkat Revenue
 tapi buat BUMI dan
   ADARO jumlah peningkatan segitu sih ya masih dibawah
 harapan.
   
   Cek juga kesanggupan Kontraktor buat meningkatkan
 aktivitas operasinya.
   ketika skala yang digarap sudah besar. agak susah
 juga mereka mau jamin bisa
   tingkatin aktivitas overburden removal lebih dari 20
 % pertahun.
   
   
   On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Peter Alimin
 milis...@... wrote:
   
   
   
19T mgkn buat ini
   
44% saham Darma Henwa (DEWA) dari Zurich
 Investment, Bumi tahun 2009
membayar uang muka senilai Rp 492 miliar dan Rp
 359 miliar lalu Tahun 2010
Rp 1,561 triliun.
   
Bumi membayar Rp 156 juta untuk uang muka
 akuisisi PT Fajar Bumi Sakti pada
2009 dan Rp 430 miliar lalu Rp 2,045 triliun
 pada tahun kedua 2010.
   
PT Pendopo Energi Batubara, Bumi membayar uang
 muka Rp 841 juta dan Rp 226
miliar lalu tahun kedua 2010 Rp 1,077 triliun.
Pendopo Energi Batubara pada waktu diakuisisi
 belum beroperasi sebab masih
dalam feasibility study.
   
Akuisisi Darma Henwa senilai Rp 2,4 triliun,
 Fajar Bumi Sakti senilai Rp
2,4 triliun, dan Pendopo Energi Batubara senilai
 Rp 1,3 triliun. Jika
digabungkan, nilai akuisisi itu sekitar Rp 6,2
 triliun,
   
Senior VP Investor Relations Bumi Resources
 Dileep Srivastava mengatakan,
volume produksi total perseroan akan mencapai
 111 juta ton pada 2012. Produksi
itu berasal dari KPC sebanyak 30 juta ton,
 Arutmin 70 juta ton, Fajar Bumi
Sakti 7 juta ton, dan Pendopo Energi 4 juta
 ton.
   
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 mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com 
From: elainesu...@...
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:05:19 +0700
Subject: Re: [ob] bumi?
   
   
*I'm worried about CIC. They're just rich big
 fat sitting duck. You can
create a good looking proposal, walk to their
 office, tell them you have a
good investment opportunity, bring them to
 dinner at expensive restaurant.
Soon they will pour you with munnnyyy.
   
There's always be the magic words 'debt
 restruct' and that often happens on
Bakrie Group. I didn't say CIC is not smart, I'm
 just saying that Bumi mgt
is waay smarter (in a sarcastic way), and CIC is
 too big to watch over this
'naughty boy'..
   
I wonder, why did you pick BUMI?
   
Elaine
*
   
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:24 PM,
 kang_ocoy_maen_saham 
disclosure@... wrote:
   
To The Extreme, Yes Missy, I am deeply worried,
 hence my deep concern
(C'mon I Hold Some Pile Of BUMI too in My
 Portfolio, i dont like to cash-in
at this level and unload it now but if the
 shareholder value is furtherly
ruined by bad cash management, sure miss, i'll
 jump the boat and bundle the
gain. safety first, that is what i was ordered
 to ensure...)
   
Current CashFlow Figure Is Already Bleak Enough
 Even without extra 

Re: [ob] DJIA Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Joe Martin
Kalo ampe jebol berapa banyak bakal turun Mbah? Harus hold atau CL. 

Thx 4 advice.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:11:34 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] DJIA Technical

DJIA Technical

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Garis Coklat sudah mengalami:
- 2 kali sebagai Resist Line (red circle)
- 2 kali sebagai Support line (green circle)

Apakah Garis Coklat akan kuat menjadi support untuk ketiga 
kalinya mengingat Garis Coklat sudah TERUJI ?





Re: [ob] DJIA Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Joe Martin milis.s4...@... wrote:

 Kalo ampe jebol berapa banyak bakal turun Mbah? Harus hold atau CL. 
 

Kalo jebol, bisa turun ke level 9000-9200...


 Thx 4 advice.
 -Original Message-
 From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@...
 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:11:34 
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] DJIA Technical
 
 DJIA Technical
 
 http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwldjiazz.png
 
 Garis Coklat sudah mengalami:
 - 2 kali sebagai Resist Line (red circle)
 - 2 kali sebagai Support line (green circle)
 
 Apakah Garis Coklat akan kuat menjadi support untuk ketiga 
 kalinya mengingat Garis Coklat sudah TERUJI ?





Re: Bls: [ob] How to insert images in GMAIL

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik ibanlubis97
Sama sama pak DE


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Subject: Bls: [ob] How to insert images in GMAIL

Mohon maaf lahir dan batin juga, pak DE.




Dari: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Terkirim: Sabtu, 26 September, 2009 11:37:12
Judul: [ob] How to insert images in GMAIL

  
Permisi, mumpung lagi weekend ane mau sharing, buat pengguna gmail (web), anda 
bisa insert gambar kedalam email anda langsung dari gmail (seperti dibawah), 
karena kalau buka attachment atau link dari web suka ribet, sementara kalau 
insert dari external website pasti di block sama gmail karena masalah security. 

Salah satu solusinya adalah menggunakan Google Labs! Caranya gampang!

Klik PENGATURAN/SETTING, lalu pilih LABS
 


SCROLL KE BAWAH, LALU AKTIFKAN MODUL PENYISIPAN GAMBAR/INSERTING IMAGES, JANGAN 
LUPA DI SAVE DIBAGIAN PALING BAWAH





Pada saat anda membuat pesan baru, akan muncul icon seperti dibawah, dan anda 
sekarang bisa menyisipkan gambar pada email anda, tanpa ribet dengan external 
link dan attachment.




Selamat mencoba.. dan MOHON MAAF LAHIR DAN BATHIN. Silahkan dilanjutkan main 
main sahamnya.. heheh


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Re: [ob] TELKOMSEL FLASH DAN SIMPATI YANG MENGECEWAKAN

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik anru . sing

Kalau yg kerja di back office, punya toko atau tukang tagih masalah sedikit 
kali ya?

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Subject: Re: [ob] TELKOMSEL FLASH DAN SIMPATI YANG MENGECEWAKAN

Kalo buat anak sekolah emang gampang ganti nomor.. Kalo udah kerja/businessman 
gak segampang itu ganti nomor mas..

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Ngapain ngurusin no tetap segala? Toh ganti no bisa sms ke teman/kerabat. Malah 
ngilangin jejak buat penelepon iseng. Kecuali mengharap seseorang utk kembali, 
pake terus no lama. Hahaha. Dangdut bener...



Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Rei
Iya pak, masalahnya index kita selalu disandera Bumi sih, lol

2009/9/26 Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com



 Betul pak rei, ngga selalu koreksi dalam.

 Asal pihak2 yg berwenang itu jgn sampe bikin panic selling aja di bumi.

 99% akan kebanting semua.
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 *Date: *Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:21:54 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] BUMI Technical



 Kan kalo jual Bumi angkat yg lain  vice versa...hehe

 On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Peter Alimin milis...@live.com wrote:

 Berarti coal lain bakalan kena discount jg mbah? Dan ihsg siap2 koreksi
 dalem?
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 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] BUMI Technical





 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
  turun lagi.
  - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
  - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png 
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[ob] Re: BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik iching_prediction

Hex 6.4 {conflict} to 59 {dissolution}

Kayaknya minggu depan bumi dlm situasi sulit. 
Sell on strength terutama di awal minggu depan

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... 
wrote:

 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan 
   turun lagi.
 - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
 - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
   oleh pasar
 
 http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png





[ob] PENGGARIS GOCENG MBAH vs KALKULATOR GOCENG.....BUMI TEKNIKAL

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik yunirsyam
Penggaris goceng mbah sama dengan kakulator goceng (EXCEL) AlertPrice analysis. 
http://apstock.blogspot.com/2009/09/bumiap-analysis.html

Jumat AP dah beri sinyal BUMI nggak boleh close di bawah AP 3347.
Just keep SMART and SIMPLE trading with APAnalysis 






Re: [ob] O I L - DATA

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Win
ini yg kutunggu2.
Thank's banget pak

2009/9/25 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com



  Silahkan sedot…..,  kalau perlu yg xls, bisa japri..



 JT



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 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] O I L





 Pak JT ... data historikal OIL kita bisa dapet dimana pak ?

 Thanks ..

 Jimmy Lesmana Widjaya

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[ob] G-20 leaders promise tighter regulations

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik dunia ini indah


G-20 leaders promise tighter regulations


Published On Friday September 25, 2009


PITTSBURGH (AP) -- World leaders took credit Friday for pulling the economy 
back from the brink, and promised a new world order of tighter financial 
regulation and more inclusive global governance to protect the world from 
future meltdowns.

Turning from the crisis-management of previous summits, the Group of 20 leaders 
pledged to set up more rigorous financial rules that would cut down on some of 
the risky behavior and excesses that have been blamed for rocking the global 
economy. And they vowed better coordination over economic policies.

Going forward, we cannot tolerate the same old boom-and-bust economy of the 
past, President Barack Obama said, speaking as the summit in Pittsburgh ended. 
We can't grow complacent. We can't wait for a crisis to cooperate.

Obama said actions taken so far brought the global economy back from the 
brink.


They agreed to require members to subject their economic policies to the 
scrutiny of a peer review process that would determine whether they were 
collectively consistent with sustainable global growth. They promised tighter 
and more coordinated financial regulation.

However, the G-20 pledges lacked on details, and did not say, for instance, how 
the proposed peer review process would be enforced.

In the first international summit hosted by Obama, the G-20 turned on greedy 
bankers, agreeing on measure to curbs their bonuses in a bid to encourage more 
responsible behavior.

According to the new agreement, bankers would only get part of their bonuses 
upfront, while the rest would be dependent on the long-term financial 
performance of the firm

EU leaders had called for links between bankers' pay and the companies' 
long-term performance and have sought to end bonuses. Sarkozy in particular has 
lobbied for better financial regulation, warning that the world risked another 
speculative bubble which when it bursts would put our economies on the edge of 
the abyss.

Summit leaders also agreed to a bid proposed by Obama to reduce government 
subsidies for fossil fuels such as oil and coal linked to global warming. If 
fully implemented, the move would phase out $300 billion in global subsidies, 
the U.S. president said.

All nations have a responsibility to face this challenge, Obama said.






  


[ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik **bLi-iNdRa**
Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik funky81 . trader
Pagi Pak, mau tanya, untuk BBM 5 ver OS 8310 bisa download dimana ya? 

Makasi Pak

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Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik **bLi-iNdRa**
Waduh sorry, saya sendiri downgrade dari bbm5 ke aslinya dl. Soale bbm5 masih 
banyak masalah, tunggu yg official aja dulu...


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Pagi Pak, mau tanya, untuk BBM 5 ver OS 8310 bisa download dimana ya? 

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From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
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Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik halim . hoq
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
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Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
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Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik atfm0001

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Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

Iya..iya..baru bangun tidur langsung baca email di BB jadi kurang connect. 
Thanks Pak
Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin

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From: Peter Alimin  milis...@live.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:04:43 
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Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

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From: ruzli...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:55:25 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

  
 
 
 
 More than meets the eye. The US$1.9bn investmen

Yg minjemin US apa CIC/China ?
Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin


From:  CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com 
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:46:29 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

   
 
-- Forwarded message
 Importance: High
 Sector:Energy
 
 More than meets the eye
 
 Bumi announced Wednesday that China Investment Corporation (CIC) has
 invested US$1.9bn in Bumi in the form of a debt-like instrument. The
 investment will be paid with a 12% annual cash coupon with a total IRR of
 19%, the balance payable at the time of final maturities. There are no
 details on how it arrived at IRR of 19%, however, we think this has
 equity-linked sweetener, with a guaranteed return. If Bumi does not nee d to
 pay the balance, the deal is relatively acceptable, giving the current
 global financial market condition. The question would be the use of the
 loan, and whether it will quickly result in a significant increase to the
 bottom line. In the short term it will burden Bumi's PL. We currently have
 a Buy rating with Rp4,000 target price.
 
 More than meets the eye. The US$1.9bn investment consists of US$600mn
 repayable in year 4, US$600mn in year 5, and the remaining US$700mn in year
 6. The fund will be used for debt restructuring and capital expenditure.
 What was interesting was the statement referring to: (1) debt-like
 instrument, (2) IRR of 19%, and (3) the balance payable at the time of final
 maturities. Our calculation showed an IRR of just 14% (assuming a flat 12%
 annual cou pon payment over 6 years), and therefore we think there are
 details to follow. Our exercise showed a balance of US$1bn to be paid by
 year 6, in addition to US$700mn principal payment to meet the required 19%
 IRR.
 
 How quick will its deployment be. Bumi currently has around US$1,556mn and
 Rp706bn loans. The US$ loans were mostly priced at LIBOR+2.5-3.0%, with
 US$207mn at LIBOR+10.0% and US$103mn at 0%. The repayments of these debts
 mean higher interest costs (albeit with longer maturities). As for
 investment, the quickest yield will be for Newmont acquisition and/or
 upgrade of KPC and Arutmin mines.
 
 It's an expensive deal, more details urged. Based on existing information
 the deal is expensive and detrimental to shareholders. More clarifications
 are needed. We have not put in any adjustments from the recent US$375mn
 convertible bonds and current US$1.9bn loan on lack of details for the use
 of the proceeds. We also did not either put non-organic growth from new
 investments in our earnings estimates. We currently have a Buy
 recommendation for BUMI with Rp4,000/share target price. At Rp3,375/share,
 BUMI is trading at 15.4x and 13.7x, PE09F and PE10F, respectively, with
 EV/EBITDA of 8.1x and 7.4x, for 09F and 10F.
 
 Ari Pitoyo
 
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Re: [ob] TELKOMSEL FLASH DAN SIMPATI YANG MENGECEWAKAN

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik hans
Yg saya tahu telknologi cdma ditemukan lebih belakang dari pada gsm. Sehingga 
ada bebeapa keunggulan di cdma. Salah satunya kemampuan transfer data yg lebih 
besar dari gsm.

Indonesia menggunakan gsm karena ex presiden kita mr H dekat dgn jerman yg 
mengunakan GSM.

Kenapa GSM lebih berkembang karena udah lama sehingga infranya lebih oke.
CDMA kedepan mungkin akan lebih berkembang.

Thx
Hans

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-Original Message-
From: slamet gaplek twstd_tra...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:56:59 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] TELKOMSEL FLASH DAN SIMPATI YANG MENGECEWAKAN

Sebenarny teknologi cdma atau gsm sama bagusnya, 

Supplier berbasis CDMA terbesar didunia adalah Motorola sehingga wajar di 
Amerika CDMA lebih popouler, meskipun sejak awal 2000an GSM mulai masuk ke 
Amerika,

Provider seluler Indonesia diawal booming seluler memilih menggunakan GSM 
karena negara2 disekitar (Singapore, Malaysia, Filipina, Hongkong, Australia 
dll.) menggunakan teknologi tsb.

Yang jadi masalah di Indonesia, umumnya produk yang dijual sering melebihi 
kapasitas yang ada. Gak tau karena manajemennya yang amburadul, birokrasi yang 
lambat,sehingga pengembangan kapasitas terhambat atau providernya yang memang 
pelit. Dulu sekitar tahun 1999 kartu simpati/Halo pernah gak ada yang jual 
karena kapasita Telkomsel udah tidak mencukupi jumlah pelanggan.

salam

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, arnold_sudono ar...@... wrote:

 
 soalnya cdma gengsi nya kurang om...
 
 you tau lah segmennya :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iching_prediction 
 iching_prediction@ wrote:
 
  kalo ane heran ama orang kita, uda jelas secara teknologi cdma jauh lebih 
  bagus dari gsm untuk lalu lintas data internet, kok lebih populer gms? 
  padahal di as en jepang, cdma rajanya. ane uda buktiin buka internet pake 
  cdma 2 detik lgs keluar tp pake gsm 40 baru seuncrit keluarnya 
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JT jsxtrader@ wrote:
  
   So far ane pake Tsel unlimited di daerah kebayoran sih cukup OK, ngga tau
   juga deh kalau ditempat lain, tapi sekarang ini kualitas jaringan GSM
   memang banyak masalah, ngga Cuma Tsel.., coba aja tuh XL.., beh, ampun
   dah.., kalo nomer HP ane bisa dipindahin ke operator lain, ane pasti udh
   pindahin, hehe..., mungkin ini karena tariff murah ya.., sementara 
   jaringan
   ngga bisa ngikutin kebutuhan..., jadi palinke data nya, sering gak bisa 
   mantau..






Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik billyfrelly
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From: atfm0...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:18:43 
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Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)


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From: ruzli...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:10:00 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

Iya..iya..baru bangun tidur langsung baca email di BB jadi kurang connect. 
Thanks Pak
Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin

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From: Peter Alimin  milis...@live.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:04:43 
To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

Usd=us$ pak.
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-Original Message-
From: ruzli...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:55:25 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

  
 
 
 
 More than meets the eye. The US$1.9bn investmen

Yg minjemin US apa CIC/China ?
Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin


From:  CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com 
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:46:29 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] BUMI: More than meets the eye (Mandirisek)

   
 
-- Forwarded message
 Importance: High
 Sector:Energy
 
 More than meets the eye
 
 Bumi announced Wednesday that China Investment Corporation (CIC) has
 invested US$1.9bn in Bumi in the form of a debt-like instrument. The
 investment will be paid with a 12% annual cash coupon with a total IRR of
 19%, the balance payable at the time of final maturities. There are no
 details on how it arrived at IRR of 19%, however, we think this has
 equity-linked sweetener, with a guaranteed return. If Bumi does not nee d to
 pay the balance, the deal is relatively acceptable, giving the current
 global financial market condition. The question would be the use of the
 loan, and whether it will quickly result in a significant increase to the
 bottom line. In the short term it will burden Bumi's PL. We currently have
 a Buy rating with Rp4,000 target price.
 
 More than meets the eye. The US$1.9bn investment consists of US$600mn
 repayable in year 4, US$600mn in year 5, and the remaining US$700mn in year
 6. The fund will be used for debt restructuring and capital expenditure.
 What was interesting was the statement referring to: (1) debt-like
 instrument, (2) IRR of 19%, and (3) the balance payable at the time of final
 maturities. Our calculation showed an IRR of just 14% (assuming a flat 12%
 annual cou pon payment over 6 years), and therefore we think there are
 details to follow. Our exercise showed a balance of US$1bn to be paid by
 year 6, in addition to US$700mn principal payment to meet the required 19%
 IRR.
 
 How quick will its deployment be. Bumi currently has around US$1,556mn and
 Rp706bn loans. The US$ loans were mostly priced at LIBOR+2.5-3.0%, with
 US$207mn at LIBOR+10.0% and US$103mn at 0%. The repayments of these debts
 mean higher interest costs (albeit with longer maturities). As for
 investment, the quickest yield will be for Newmont acquisition and/or
 upgrade of KPC and Arutmin mines.
 
 It's an expensive deal, more details urged. Based on existing information
 the deal is expensive and detrimental to shareholders. More clarifications
 are needed. We have not put in any adjustments from the recent US$375mn
 convertible bonds and current US$1.9bn loan on lack of details for the use
 of the proceeds. We also did not either put non-organic growth from new
 investments in our earnings estimates. We currently have a Buy
 recommendation for BUMI with Rp4,000/share target price. At Rp3,375/share,
 BUMI is trading at 15.4x and 13.7x, PE09F and PE10F, respectively, with
 EV/EBITDA of 8.1x and 7.4x, for 09F and 10F.
 
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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik funky81 . trader
Makasi Pak, saya coba dulu.

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From: funky81.tra...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:34:52 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Pagi Pak, mau tanya, untuk BBM 5 ver OS 8310 bisa download dimana ya? 

Makasi Pak

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From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik funky81 . trader
Kebetulan saya ada waktu buat oprek BB pak,jd pingin nyoba2 aja. Mumpung ada OS 
baru jg buat 8310.

Terima Kasih Pak

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From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:59:41 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Waduh sorry, saya sendiri downgrade dari bbm5 ke aslinya dl. Soale bbm5 masih 
banyak masalah, tunggu yg official aja dulu...


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==

-Original Message-
From: funky81.tra...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:34:52 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Pagi Pak, mau tanya, untuk BBM 5 ver OS 8310 bisa download dimana ya? 

Makasi Pak

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-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==




[ob] OOT: Baik dan Buruk (1)

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Jacob Oen
Sang Guru tentu tidak asing dengan apa yang terjadi di Dunia ini.

Suatu ketika dia diminta untuk menjelaskan pepatah kesukaannya: Tidak ada baik 
atau buruk, melainkan pikiran kitalah yang membuatnya begitu.

Inilah yang ia katakan:

Tidakkah kamu lihat bahwa apa yang dianggap sesak dalam kereta api dianggap 
meriah dalam diskotik?.



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[ob] Re: BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik EdwinKdr


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iching_prediction
iching_predict...@... wrote:


 Hex 6.4 {conflict} to 59 {dissolution}

 Kayaknya minggu depan bumi dlm situasi sulit.
 Sell on strength terutama di awal minggu depan

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant
jsx-consultant@ wrote:
 
  - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
turun lagi.
  - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
  - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
oleh pasar
 
 

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png
http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png

 




Berhubung ada 2 pakar OB sudah menyamakan persepsi  [B-)]

Maka kesimpulan yg bisa diambil dari BUMI.  [:)]

1. SOS = berarti naik dahulu kali ya... [:]  CMIIW

2. Asumsi  Embah OG eh OB sebelumnya tentang target IHSG  2.550
Apa mungkin ya kalo tanpa BUMI ?  [:-/]

Belajar dari EW - embah jsx tentang WAVE 1.

http://www.trader2000.com/wavetarget.html
http://www.trader2000.com/wavetarget.html

Targets for wave 1
- Tends to stop at the BASE of the PREVIOUS correction,
   which normally is the B wave.
- This OFTEN coincides with a 38.2% or a 61.8% retracement
   of the previous correction.


asumsi berikut ini jika IHSG menuju 2.550(Wave 1)  maka jika BUMI ikut
naik untuk SOS adalah menuju ke   [:-?]

Chart : BUMI - Weekly
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2aKqvFC3Mmk/Sr7YSKEEFTI/A4g/R7ixcwDtu\
Tg/s1600-h/BUMI+-+Weekly.PNG
@38,2% dari High and Low sebelumnya avg weekly = +/- 3.528

Apply ke daily :

Chart : BUMI - Daily
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2aKqvFC3Mmk/Sr7YShL4MBI/A4o/9wKIvLSIW\
rQ/s1600-h/BUMI+-+Daily.PNG
Dengan target W5 = 3.600 - 3.675

Sebagai Pramugari Pesawat, mungkin informasi yg disampaikan adalah
[;)]
Parasut sudah disediakan di bawah kursi masing2...jika sewaktu2 mesin
pesawat mati... [:)]
Silahkan Bapak2 dan ibu2 mengantri dipintu darurat untuk terjun
payung  [:]

Terima Kasih telah terbang besama kami...@bumi airways [:p]

(gubraks  [:))] )

Semoga bermanfaat,

Tks

Regards




[ob] Kumpulan materi Trading (“Profitable Candle stick Entry and Exit Strategies”)

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Pengamat Market
This post originally posted at:
www.trend-traders.com

Ebook ini bukan bajakan dari buku asli, tapi kumpulan artikel-artikel dari 
website aslinya.
Materi-materinya bisa di download disini
1. “Profitable Candlestick Entry and Exit Strategies”  by Stephen W. Bigalow
How To Recognize The Exact Right Time To Buy Or Sell
Download Link
Ebook ini lebih ke arah strategy menggunakan opening price dan pre-opening 
price pada candlestick sebagai signal entry
2. Trading Rules to Successful Profits by  Stephen W. Bigalow
Download link
Dalam ebook ini diuraikan cara menggunakan Moving Average sebagai
Traget Price, cara Trading jika terdapat Gap, serta aturan trading dari
masing-masing pola candlestick

Kind Regards, 
 
 
Aditya
www.trend-traders.com

  
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The materialspresented on this website are solely for informational purposes 
and arenot intended as investment or trading advice.



  

Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik milani_6902
Salam kenal,pak..
Untuk ganti lokasi di foyage, bgmn caranya ya?
Tx
-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==




Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik milani_6902
Awalnya mmg error,pak. Tp lama2 lancar..

-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:59:41 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Waduh sorry, saya sendiri downgrade dari bbm5 ke aslinya dl. Soale bbm5 masih 
banyak masalah, tunggu yg official aja dulu...


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==

-Original Message-
From: funky81.tra...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:34:52 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Pagi Pak, mau tanya, untuk BBM 5 ver OS 8310 bisa download dimana ya? 

Makasi Pak

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-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==




[ob] FLU BABI

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Bumi T
 
Virus Flu Babi akan cepat menyebar pada musim dingin di negara Industri dan
 
tentunya akan membuat permintaan vaksinasi Flu Babi meningkat.
 
Investor boleh mencari tahu emiten mana di tanah air yang bisa memproduksi
 
vaksinasi tsb.
 
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Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik **bLi-iNdRa**
Sorry kl ga salah di auto detect ma lokasinya kita berada .

Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==

-Original Message-
From: milani_6...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:02:12 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Salam kenal,pak..
Untuk ganti lokasi di foyage, bgmn caranya ya?
Tx
-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==





Re: [ob] bumi?

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Henry Tanus
Get Out Now! 
By Tim Hanson 
September 17, 2009 | Comments (52) 
I've successfully scared the heck out of some of you with predictions of the 
dollar's looming demise.
Yet I've not said it nearly as forcefully as Swiss banker Dr. Konrad Hummler. 
Here's what he wrote in his recent Wegelin Investment Commentary: It's time to 
take advantage of the recovery of the U.S. dollar to get one's currency 
diversification in order.
Read between the lines. He's telling you the dollar is going down . . . hard.
But don't just take my -- or Dr. Hummler's -- word for it
But we're not the only ones giving such advice. If you've been paying 
attention, then you know that Warren Buffett came out against the dollar in an 
August New York Times editorial.
And Hummler, in his commentary, points out two other investing luminaries who 
have taken high-profile stands against the dollar:
* Bill Gross of Pacific Investment Management Co. (PIMCO), which 
manages the biggest bond fund in the world, advises investors to sell dollar 
investments 'before the central banks and sovereign wealth funds do.'
* [C]ommodities specialist Jim Rogers . . . announces his new favorite 
currency -- the Chinese yuan.
Now, you can heed these words of warning, or you can stick to your U.S. 
investing guns. But allow me to suggest that the latter is an irrational 
position.
After all, there's limited downside to diversifying into great companies that 
do business outside of the United States. There is, however, significant 
downside to investing in nothing but dollar-denominated investments.
It'd be crazy to stash your entire life's savings in one company. It's just as 
crazy to stash your entire life's savings in one currency.
But there's opportunity in the meantime 
Despite the dollar's precarious, debt-laden position, the currency is in a 
pretty good place relative to other world currencies -- thanks to investors 
having abandoned emerging markets for perceived financial safe havens during 
the recent financial crisis.
In other words, should you opt to sell some of your dollar-denominated 
investments (like U.S. stocks) and buy investments that are denominated in 
Chinese yuan, Brazilian real, South African rand, and so on and so forth (like 
foreign stocks), you have stronger purchasing power today than you'll likely 
have in 6 or 12 months.
In other words, this is a temporary opportunity. But there's still time to take 
advantage.
Have a look at this table 
To make this simple, I've put together a quick chart of popular U.S. 
investments and their foreign counterparts -- all of which are recommended by 
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If you own...
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Devon Energy (NYSE: DVN) CNOOC (NYSE: CEO) 
These are all solid companies with somewhat similar profiles -- because what 
makes a good company outside of the United States isn't at all different from 
what makes a good company inside the United States.
Altria and Philip Morris, for example, both sell a top-notch brand, pay a hefty 
dividend, and generate significant recurring cash flows. Furthermore, because 
foreign economies are smaller than the U.S. economy, you'll often find that in 
a sector like telecom, you can find a company with far more market share than 
anything you'd find in the U.S. (which is another good thing).
So, again, don't change your approach when you go searching for stocks abroad 
-- simply change your purview.
At the end of the day, however, the most important point is that the stocks on 
the right will make sure that your life's savings aren't 100% aligned with the 
health of the dollar. Konrad Hummler, Warren Buffett, Bill Gross, Jim Rogers, 
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From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:07:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] bumi?

  
E.. did you say JUMP OUT? you're worried about the management 
effectiveness, are you?

Elaine


2009/9/25 Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure.inc@ gmail.com


Re: [ob] FLU BABI

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui
*Percaya tidak swine flu, bird flu, they were all man-made disease..?

anyway virus are fragile against sunlight so when you're feeling to catch
cold, get outside and walk for a while, preferably between 6AM to 9AM. It
really helps to increase your body immune system.

But this Swine Flu is quite scary if we're not careful..

Elaine**
*
2009/9/27 Bumi T t_b...@yahoo.co.id




 Virus Flu Babi akan cepat menyebar pada musim dingin di negara Industri dan

 tentunya akan membuat permintaan vaksinasi Flu Babi meningkat.

 Investor boleh mencari tahu emiten mana di tanah air yang bisa memproduksi

 vaksinasi tsb.


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Re: [ob] O I L - DATA

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Win
buat update musti ambil data di mana pak?
Thx,
Win


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Win edwin...@gmail.com wrote:

 ini yg kutunggu2.
 Thank's banget pak

 2009/9/25 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com



  Silahkan sedot…..,  kalau perlu yg xls, bisa japri..



 JT



 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jimmywidj...@yahoo.com
 *Sent:* 25 September 2009 14:12
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] O I L





 Pak JT ... data historikal OIL kita bisa dapet dimana pak ?

 Thanks ..

 Jimmy Lesmana Widjaya

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[ob] OOT tanya tentang SIM Card utk BB

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik EB™
All,
Mau tanya nih, kalo BB selama ini pakai kartu Xplor trus mau diganti kartu XL 
bebas apakah bisa?
Trus, apabila mau diganti kartu provider lain apakah bisa juga? 
Regards,

EdBa
 

-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:09:42 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Sorry kl ga salah di auto detect ma lokasinya kita berada .

Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==

-Original Message-
From: milani_6...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:02:12 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Salam kenal,pak..
Untuk ganti lokasi di foyage, bgmn caranya ya?
Tx
-Original Message-
From: **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:28:53 
To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] OOT aplikasi foyage for bb

Mau share aplikasi yg lumayan ok buat bantu nemuin resto, atm, cafe dll 
disekitar kita.
http://www.foyage.com/bb


Best Regards
**bLi iNdRa**

==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==






[ob] Re: OOT: Baik dan Buruk (1)

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik EdwinKdr

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jacob Oen oenja...@... wrote:

 Sang Guru tentu tidak asing dengan apa yang terjadi di Dunia ini.

 Suatu ketika dia diminta untuk menjelaskan pepatah kesukaannya: Tidak
ada baik atau buruk, melainkan pikiran kitalah yang membuatnya begitu.

 Inilah yang ia katakan:

 Tidakkah kamu lihat bahwa apa yang dianggap sesak dalam kereta api
dianggap meriah dalam diskotik?.



Disini mungkin kalo ditransformasikan ke saham adalah sbb :

Trade what you see not what you think  [:)]

Ibarat kemampuan mengerti tanpa THINK atau Berpikir
Kalo Suhu Ian kemarin bilang di milis saham itu adalah BLINK.

atau kemampuan berpikir tanpa berpikir.  [;)]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/44193
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/44193

atau sedikit mengambil pembahasan topik Ilham yg disampaikan Pak Abu
Sangkan - MetroTV saat bulan puasa kemarin

kira2 demikian

Lebah bisa membuat sarang dalam bentuk Hexagonal kemampuan apakah
kira2 yg dimiliki lebah ?

Sebab lebah tdk bisa berpikir..iya tho ?  [:)]  pasti ada suatu
kemampuan khusus yg diwahyukan YMK untuk lebah tsb.dimana bisa membuat
sarang rapi berbentuk Hexagonal.

http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/4519/LEBAH_MADU:_SAN\
G_ARSITEK_DAN_PENARI_ULUNG
http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/4519/LEBAH_MADU:_SA\
NG_ARSITEK_DAN_PENARI_ULUNG

Apalagi manusia.  [:)]

Trailer Bee Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16SMpTXpuuY

Mungkin berikut sedikit artikel tentang fenomena budaya yg saat ini
muncul [:)]

http://suluk.blogsome.com/2008/10/20/nur-dari-timur/
http://suluk.blogsome.com/2008/10/20/nur-dari-timur/

Fight, argue, dan complain, itulah ciri-ciri manusia yang disebut
hidup di Barat. Tanpa perlawanan, tanpa adu argumentasi, orang
dianggap tidak hidup di Barat. Intinya, melawan itu kuat, diam
itu lemah, melawan itu cerdas, dan pasrah itu tolol.

Dengan latar belakang berbeda, pola hidup ala Barat ini menyebar cepat
melalui televisi, internet, radio, media, dan lainnya. Dengan bungkus
seksi demokrasi, hak asasi manusia, semua dibawa ke Timur sehingga dalam
banyak keadaan (angka bunuh diri naik di Jepang, Thailand mengalami
guncangan politik, Pakistan ditandai pembunuhan politik), banyak manusia
di Timur mengalami kebingungan roh Timur dengan baju Barat.

Perhatikan kehidupan desa sebagai barometer. Tanpa banyak berdebat siapa
yang akan menjadi presiden, ke mana arah masa depan, partai apa yang
akan menang. Di desa yang banyak burungnya, tetapi manusianya banyak
menonton televisi (sebagai catatan, realita di desa amat sederhana,
tontonan di televisi amat menggoda), tema hidup setiap pagi adalah
burung menyanyi, manusia mencaci.
Notes : Sehingga saat ini untuk SEE saja, kita perlu untuk diajari
lagi...  [:p]

BLINK biasanya dicapai oleh trader yg sudah mencapai level pencerahan
keatas... [:)]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995

Level 3 The EUREKA Moment

Pada akhir level 2, kamu akhirnya menyadari pokok permasalahan bukan
terletak di system. Kamu menyadari bahwa kamu bisa mendapat profit
bahkan jika hanya menggunakan system yang simpel seperti moving average
saja tanpa ada indicator lain, jika kamu bisa menggunakan kepala kamu
dan money management yang benar.


Pertanyaan selanjutnya

Apakah orang yg sudah mencapai Level Pencerahan keatas ? atau istilahnya
mulai mejadi pendekar tangan kosong tdk memerlukan lagi atau harus
meninggalkan BASIC SYSTEM ?

Jawabannya : tentu tdk...sebenarnya justru harusnya dia lebih ahli
menempatkan/memakai system2 yg dibutuhkan pada tempatnya.

Misalnya Chart(candle stick), Pattern atau penggaris gocengnya
embah...he he

Level 3 ini menurut saya sangat penting, karena ini adalah level titik
balik.
Dimana sebenarnya antara level 1 dan 2 vs Level 4 dan 5 itu bisa jadi
sama pengetahuannya tapi beda pemahamannya.(Perbedaan pengalaman atau
jam terbang)

Teknik umum dalam spiritual untuk mencapai pencerahan :
1. Pemurnian budi -- meluruskan niat beda niat tentu saja akan beda
hasil nantinya.
2. Pemurnian rasa -- pemahaman perasaan masing (fear and greed) jika
paham kenapanya
   tentunya tahu cara
mengatasinya. (keberanian)
3. Pemurnian hati -- sifat rendah hati.
  Dedalan guna klawan sekti iku kudu andhap asor
  Perjalanan untuk memahami hakekat ilmu untuk menjadi hebat(sakti)
adalah dengan rendah
  hati.

 Mungkin ini adalah basic dari Trade Waht you seejika kita sering
tinggi hati atau menyepelekan keadaan, tentunya kita tdk bisa melihat
situasi apa yg sebenarnya terjadi, sehingga lebih banyak think yg aneh2
dan akhirnya membahayakan pengertiannya sendiri.
Karena tdk sadar dengan keadaan yg sebenarnya.

4. Keheningan Jiwa -- Melepaskan ego dan memantapkan BLINK
5. Kebebasan Bathin -- Clear BLINK, merasakan kapan saat Entry, Stop
Loss and Exit
  tanpa
membeda2kan 

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