date:20091004

Bbrp tahun yang lalu, ane pernah pake metode ini.
Kalo ga salah, ada beberapa indikator yg digunakan, Yaitu: Alligator
(Semacam moving average), AO (Awesome Oscillator), Accelerator, MFI (market
facilitation index), and fractal.

kalo ga salah, ane masih simpan bahan-2 presentasi-nya.
Nanti malam deh ane coba cari-2, and share ke milis.

Salam,



2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 

> Kalo Embah perhatikan Black Diamond menunjukan TITIK diman
> ada wave/subwave mengalami reversal.
>
> BW menggunakan metoda Fractal 5 BAR untuk menunjukan titik
> reversal, 2 bar sebelumnya dan 2 bar sesudahnya.
>
> Jadi Titik reversal itu akan ketahuan sesudah terlambat 2 bar,
> jika kita gunakan daily chart maka akan terlambat 2 hari, jika
> kita gunakan chart intraday 30 menit maka akan terlambat 1 jam.
>
> 2 bar sesudahnya itu MINIMAL karena bisa jadi 2 bar selanjutnya
> AMBIGUOUS.
>
> Note:
> Black Diamond itu SANGAT PENTING karena:
> - Menunjukan Titik reversal yg sangat diperlukan untuk swing
>  trading dan pembalikan arah market.
> - Black diamond menunjukan Wave number BARU pada grafik Elliott
>  Wave (bisa Wave atau subwave)
>
> Metoda BW ini sebenarnya complex, embah cuman bahas sebagian
> kecil aja yaitu yg SEDERHANA TAPI PENTING yaitu Expert Advise doang,
> karena embah engga suka ama yg RUMIT2... pusing... hehehe...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "T Jayamudita" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Embah, black diamond-nya Bill William kayaknya repaint, contohnya ASII,
> black diamond (di atas harga = sell) muncul hari ini tapi di posisi candle
> 1/10/09, sedangkan black diamond (di bawah harga = buy) yang tampil di
> candle 28/9/09 baru muncul pada 30/9/09.
> >
> > Bagaimana menggunakannya agar bisa lebih menberikan manfaat sedini
> mungkin?
> >
> > Salam,
> > TJ
> >
> >
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: jsx_consultant
> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:47 AM
> >   Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)
> >
> >
> > Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
> >   seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
> >   mengkali).
> >
> >   Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
> >   jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
> >
> >   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378danii@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> >   >
> >   > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> >   >
> >   > > 10:30
> >   > >
> >   > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> >   > > grafik masik hijau
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> >   > >
> >   > > Note:
> >   > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> >   > > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> >   > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> >   > > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
> 
> >   > > wrote:
> >   > > >
> >   > > > 10:00
> >   > > >
> >   > > >
> >   > > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> >   > > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > 
> >   > >
> >   > > + +
> >   > > + + + + +
> >   > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> >   > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> >   > > + + + + +
> >   > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> + +
> + + + + +
> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> + + + + +
> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

RE: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Prasetyo, Hani

Siang Mbah, apakah maksudnya kalo BUMI bisa menjebol 3100 dengan volume
mendukung = teknikal rebound BUMI mbah...

Berapa resistance BUMI terdekatnya... tengs Embah...

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:03 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Kalo Embah perhatikan Black Diamond menunjukan TITIK diman
ada wave/subwave mengalami reversal.

BW menggunakan metoda Fractal 5 BAR untuk menunjukan titik
reversal, 2 bar sebelumnya dan 2 bar sesudahnya.

Jadi Titik reversal itu akan ketahuan sesudah terlambat 2 bar,
jika kita gunakan daily chart maka akan terlambat 2 hari, jika
kita gunakan chart intraday 30 menit maka akan terlambat 1 jam.

2 bar sesudahnya itu MINIMAL karena bisa jadi 2 bar selanjutnya
AMBIGUOUS.

Note:
Black Diamond itu SANGAT PENTING karena:
- Menunjukan Titik reversal yg sangat diperlukan untuk swing
trading dan pembalikan arah market.
- Black diamond menunjukan Wave number BARU pada grafik Elliott
Wave (bisa Wave atau subwave)

Metoda BW ini sebenarnya complex, embah cuman bahas sebagian
kecil aja yaitu yg SEDERHANA TAPI PENTING yaitu Expert Advise doang,
karena embah engga suka ama yg RUMIT2... pusing... hehehe...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 , "T Jayamudita"
 wrote:
>
> Embah, black diamond-nya Bill William kayaknya repaint, contohnya
ASII, black diamond (di atas harga = sell) muncul hari ini tapi di
posisi candle 1/10/09, sedangkan black diamond (di bawah harga = buy)
yang tampil di candle 28/9/09 baru muncul pada 30/9/09.
> 
> Bagaimana menggunakannya agar bisa lebih menberikan manfaat sedini
mungkin?
> 
> Salam,
> TJ
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: jsx_consultant 
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:47 AM
> Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)
> 
> 
> Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
> seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
> mengkali).
> 
> Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
> jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 , "danii ." <378danii@> wrote:
> >
> > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> > 
> > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> > 
> > > 10:30
> > >
> > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > > grafik masik hijau
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png

> > >
> > > Note:
> > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> > > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> > > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 , "jsx_consultant"

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 10:00
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png

> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Marcello Djunaidy

Oya, jadi munculnya signal adalah kalau fractal V sudah muncul. Misal senin
sampe jumat itu fractal V dengan lowest di Rabu (LOW3). Panah buy di rabu
akan muncul sesudah harga di jumat keluar (LOW5). Kan di situ disyaratkan
LOW3 adalah terendah dari 2 hari sebelum dan 2 hari sesudah.Jadi di kamis,
panah buy di rabu belum akan muncul. Karena syarat forward reference belum
terpenuhi. alias signal sifatnya dinamis.


CMIIW ya


MD

2009/10/5 Marcello Djunaidy 

> Dear Embah,
>
> tadi googling nemu formula dibawah ini (chaos fractal), entah apa ini
> formula aslinya atau gak.
>
> cuma kalo liat disitu, dia ada pake fungsi REF tapi ke arah depan alias
> mencoba prediksi pola di depan (baris HIGH4, HIGH5, LOW4,LOW5).
> Kalo gak salah sih hasilnya adalah : Selama 2 hari berjalan, signal yang
> muncul akan bersifat dinamis.
>
> Mohon dari Pak Hans bisa kasih masukkan.
>
> CMIIW ya...soalnya masih belajar juga...
>
> regards
>
>
> MD
> ---
> Chaos Fractal
>
> { Chaos Fractal (simple version +1=Up, -1=Dn) }
>
> High1 := Ref(HIGH,-2);
> High2 := Ref(HIGH,-1);
> High3 := Ref(HIGH,0);
> High4 := Ref(HIGH,1);
> High5 := Ref(HIGH,2);
> Low1 := Ref(LOW,-2);
> Low2 := Ref(LOW,-1);
> Low3 := Ref(LOW,0);
> Low4 := Ref(LOW,1);
> Low5 := Ref(LOW,2);
> Fractal := If((High3 > High1)
> AND (High3 > High2)
> AND(High3 > High4)
> AND (High3 > High5), +1,0);
>
> Fractal := If((Low3 < Low1)
> AND (Low3 < Low2)
> AND(Low3 < Low4)
> AND (Low3 < Low5),
> If(Fractal > 0, 0, -1), Fractal);
>
> Fractal;
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
>
>
>>
>> 12:00
>>
>> - Saat ini terbentuk Black Diamond ATAS.
>> - Jarak black diamnond BAWAH dan ATAS adalah panjang wave yaitu
>> 3100-2975 = +125 , jadi pada Subwave ini BUMI rebound +125.
>> close sesi 1: 3075
>>
>>
>> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>>
>> Kata siexpert:
>> - Saat ini adalah area yg ambiguous, jadi sabar aja sampai
>> market memberikan alasan yg lebih jelas untuk Naik atau Turun.
>> - Saat ini MEMBOSANKAN, katanya ingat: Pergerakan besar umumnya
>> berasal dari DULL market.
>>
>> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>> >
>> > 10:30
>> >
>> > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
>> > grafik masik hijau
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>> >
>> > Note:
>> > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
>> > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
>> > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
>> > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
>> "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 10:00
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>  
>>
>
>

Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Thomas Frederick

Waa pusing jg mbah mencoba ngertinya. Maklum blo'on nihh.

Kira2 simplenya, black diamond ini akan konfirm mengatakan reversal di angka 
berapa mbah?? Apakah jika memang jk bs break 3075 gitu mbah?
-Original Message-
From: "jsx_consultant" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:02:47 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Kalo Embah perhatikan Black Diamond menunjukan TITIK diman
ada wave/subwave mengalami reversal.

BW menggunakan metoda Fractal 5 BAR untuk menunjukan titik
reversal, 2 bar sebelumnya dan 2 bar sesudahnya.

Jadi Titik reversal itu akan ketahuan sesudah terlambat 2 bar,
jika kita gunakan daily chart maka akan terlambat 2 hari, jika
kita gunakan chart intraday 30 menit maka akan terlambat 1 jam.

2 bar sesudahnya itu MINIMAL karena bisa jadi 2 bar selanjutnya
AMBIGUOUS.
 
Note:
Black Diamond itu SANGAT PENTING karena:
- Menunjukan Titik reversal yg sangat diperlukan untuk swing
  trading dan pembalikan arah market.
- Black diamond menunjukan Wave number BARU pada grafik Elliott
  Wave (bisa Wave atau subwave)

Metoda BW ini sebenarnya complex, embah cuman bahas sebagian
kecil aja yaitu yg SEDERHANA TAPI PENTING yaitu Expert Advise doang,
karena embah engga suka ama yg RUMIT2... pusing... hehehe...


 




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "T Jayamudita"  wrote:
>
> Embah, black diamond-nya Bill William kayaknya repaint, contohnya ASII, black 
> diamond (di atas harga = sell) muncul hari ini tapi di posisi candle 1/10/09, 
> sedangkan black diamond (di bawah harga = buy) yang tampil di candle 28/9/09 
> baru muncul pada 30/9/09.
> 
> Bagaimana menggunakannya agar bisa lebih menberikan manfaat sedini mungkin?
> 
> Salam,
> TJ
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: jsx_consultant 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:47 AM
>   Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)
> 
> 
> Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
>   seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
>   mengkali).
> 
>   Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
>   jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378danii@> wrote:
>   >
>   > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
>   > 
>   > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
>   > 
>   > > 10:30
>   > >
>   > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
>   > > grafik masik hijau
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>   > >
>   > > Note:
>   > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
>   > > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
>   > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
>   > > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
> 
>   > > wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > 10:00
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>   > > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > >
>   > > + +
>   > > + + + + +
>   > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>   > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>   > > + + + + +
>   > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>

Re: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik jkunci

Wah, sekarang kalo tp (cuan) bahasa nya didramatisir ya? Hihihi lucu benar 
:)

Salam,

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-Original Message-
From: "kobayashi m" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:33:14 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

Sahabatku..Rajawali Sakti(Kark)..kini saatnya engkau terbang bebas diangkasa 
sana... dan semoga engkau akan tumbuh dan tumbuh terus...berkembang biak... 
Terima kasih Sahabatku...rajawali Sakti... aku akan selalu mengenang 
Engkau...Selamat jalanSelamat ...menikmati kebebasanmu...dgn hati berat 
ku-lepas kepergian-mu... Selamat Jalan...! Sampai jumpa. Mwuah..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> Hati-hati ...
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Syat 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 
> To: OB
> Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources
> 
> Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita
>

Re: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik William Efendy

RAJA aja. ^^v

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, stock.bree...@yahoo.com  wrote:

From: stock.bree...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources 
(KARK)
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:43 PM

Wakakaakakakaka Mr. Koba so romantic waakakaakakakaka ;p..

*Switch to RAJA or DILD ??? ^^..

From:  "kobayashi m" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:33:14 -To: Subject: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources 
(KARK)

Sahabatku..Rajawali Sakti(Kark). .kini saatnya engkau terbang bebas diangkasa 
sana... dan semoga engkau akan tumbuh dan tumbuh terus...berkembang biak... 
Terima kasih Sahabatku... rajawali Sakti... aku akan selalu mengenang 
Engkau...Selamat jalanSelamat ...menikmati kebebasanmu. ..dgn hati berat 
ku-lepas kepergian-mu. .. Selamat Jalan...! Sampai jumpa. Mwuah. .

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "Syat"  wrote:

>

> Hati-hati ...

> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah. com ...!

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: Syat 

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 

> To: OB

> Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources

> 

> Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita

>

[ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Kalo Embah perhatikan Black Diamond menunjukan TITIK diman
ada wave/subwave mengalami reversal.

BW menggunakan metoda Fractal 5 BAR untuk menunjukan titik
reversal, 2 bar sebelumnya dan 2 bar sesudahnya.

Jadi Titik reversal itu akan ketahuan sesudah terlambat 2 bar,
jika kita gunakan daily chart maka akan terlambat 2 hari, jika
kita gunakan chart intraday 30 menit maka akan terlambat 1 jam.

2 bar sesudahnya itu MINIMAL karena bisa jadi 2 bar selanjutnya
AMBIGUOUS.
 
Note:
Black Diamond itu SANGAT PENTING karena:
- Menunjukan Titik reversal yg sangat diperlukan untuk swing
  trading dan pembalikan arah market.
- Black diamond menunjukan Wave number BARU pada grafik Elliott
  Wave (bisa Wave atau subwave)

Metoda BW ini sebenarnya complex, embah cuman bahas sebagian
kecil aja yaitu yg SEDERHANA TAPI PENTING yaitu Expert Advise doang,
karena embah engga suka ama yg RUMIT2... pusing... hehehe...


 




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "T Jayamudita"  wrote:
>
> Embah, black diamond-nya Bill William kayaknya repaint, contohnya ASII, black 
> diamond (di atas harga = sell) muncul hari ini tapi di posisi candle 1/10/09, 
> sedangkan black diamond (di bawah harga = buy) yang tampil di candle 28/9/09 
> baru muncul pada 30/9/09.
> 
> Bagaimana menggunakannya agar bisa lebih menberikan manfaat sedini mungkin?
> 
> Salam,
> TJ
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: jsx_consultant 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:47 AM
>   Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)
> 
> 
> Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
>   seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
>   mengkali).
> 
>   Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
>   jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378danii@> wrote:
>   >
>   > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
>   > 
>   > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
>   > 
>   > > 10:30
>   > >
>   > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
>   > > grafik masik hijau
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>   > >
>   > > Note:
>   > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
>   > > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
>   > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
>   > > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
> 
>   > > wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > 10:00
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>   > > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > >
>   > > + +
>   > > + + + + +
>   > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>   > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>   > > + + + + +
>   > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>

Re: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Syat

Cuan berat ya pak, target trading semingu dah accomplished doonk ;)
Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!

-Original Message-
From: "kobayashi m" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:33:14 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

Sahabatku..Rajawali Sakti(Kark)..kini saatnya engkau terbang bebas diangkasa 
sana... dan semoga engkau akan tumbuh dan tumbuh terus...berkembang biak... 
Terima kasih Sahabatku...rajawali Sakti... aku akan selalu mengenang 
Engkau...Selamat jalanSelamat ...menikmati kebebasanmu...dgn hati berat 
ku-lepas kepergian-mu... Selamat Jalan...! Sampai jumpa. Mwuah..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> Hati-hati ...
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Syat 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 
> To: OB
> Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources
> 
> Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita
>

Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Marcello Djunaidy

Dear Embah,

tadi googling nemu formula dibawah ini (chaos fractal), entah apa ini
formula aslinya atau gak.

cuma kalo liat disitu, dia ada pake fungsi REF tapi ke arah depan alias
mencoba prediksi pola di depan (baris HIGH4, HIGH5, LOW4,LOW5).
Kalo gak salah sih hasilnya adalah : Selama 2 hari berjalan, signal yang
muncul akan bersifat dinamis.

Mohon dari Pak Hans bisa kasih masukkan.

CMIIW ya...soalnya masih belajar juga...

regards


MD
---
Chaos Fractal

{ Chaos Fractal (simple version +1=Up, -1=Dn) }

High1 := Ref(HIGH,-2);
High2 := Ref(HIGH,-1);
High3 := Ref(HIGH,0);
High4 := Ref(HIGH,1);
High5 := Ref(HIGH,2);
Low1 := Ref(LOW,-2);
Low2 := Ref(LOW,-1);
Low3 := Ref(LOW,0);
Low4 := Ref(LOW,1);
Low5 := Ref(LOW,2);
Fractal := If((High3 > High1)
AND (High3 > High2)
AND(High3 > High4)
AND (High3 > High5), +1,0);

Fractal := If((Low3 < Low1)
AND (Low3 < Low2)
AND(Low3 < Low4)
AND (Low3 < Low5),
If(Fractal > 0, 0, -1), Fractal);

Fractal;










2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 

>
>
> 12:00
>
> - Saat ini terbentuk Black Diamond ATAS.
> - Jarak black diamnond BAWAH dan ATAS adalah panjang wave yaitu
> 3100-2975 = +125 , jadi pada Subwave ini BUMI rebound +125.
> close sesi 1: 3075
>
>
> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>
> Kata siexpert:
> - Saat ini adalah area yg ambiguous, jadi sabar aja sampai
> market memberikan alasan yg lebih jelas untuk Naik atau Turun.
> - Saat ini MEMBOSANKAN, katanya ingat: Pergerakan besar umumnya
> berasal dari DULL market.
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
> >
> > 10:30
> >
> > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > grafik masik hijau
> >
> >
> > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> >
> > Note:
> > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 10:00
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik stock . breeder

Wakakaakakakaka Mr. Koba so romantic waakakaakakakaka ;p..

*Switch to RAJA or DILD ??? ^^..

-Original Message-
From: "kobayashi m" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:33:14 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

Sahabatku..Rajawali Sakti(Kark)..kini saatnya engkau terbang bebas diangkasa 
sana... dan semoga engkau akan tumbuh dan tumbuh terus...berkembang biak... 
Terima kasih Sahabatku...rajawali Sakti... aku akan selalu mengenang 
Engkau...Selamat jalanSelamat ...menikmati kebebasanmu...dgn hati berat 
ku-lepas kepergian-mu... Selamat Jalan...! Sampai jumpa. Mwuah..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> Hati-hati ...
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Syat 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 
> To: OB
> Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources
> 
> Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita
>

[ob] Re: Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik kobayashi m

Sahabatku..Rajawali Sakti(Kark)..kini saatnya engkau terbang bebas diangkasa 
sana... dan semoga engkau akan tumbuh dan tumbuh terus...berkembang biak... 
Terima kasih Sahabatku...rajawali Sakti... aku akan selalu mengenang 
Engkau...Selamat jalanSelamat ...menikmati kebebasanmu...dgn hati berat 
ku-lepas kepergian-mu... Selamat Jalan...! Sampai jumpa. Mwuah..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> Hati-hati ...
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Syat 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 
> To: OB
> Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources
> 
> Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita
>

[ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

12:00

- Saat ini terbentuk Black Diamond ATAS.
- Jarak black diamnond BAWAH dan ATAS adalah panjang wave yaitu
  3100-2975 = +125 , jadi pada Subwave ini BUMI rebound +125.
  close sesi 1: 3075

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png

Kata siexpert:
- Saat ini adalah area yg ambiguous, jadi sabar aja sampai
  market memberikan alasan yg lebih jelas untuk Naik atau Turun.
- Saat ini MEMBOSANKAN, katanya ingat: Pergerakan besar umumnya
  berasal dari DULL market.




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  
wrote:
>
> 10:30
> 
> IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> grafik masik hijau
> 
> 
> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> 
> Note:
> - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
>   saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
>   grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 10:00
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> >
>

[ob] HEXA..by CL.

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik M Herman



Looking at the 3Q results and 4Q picks, there is a noticably shift favouring 
the small-mid cap names.  Indeed big cappers were massive performers in 3Q and 
makes perfect sense to start looking value lower down as valution of the bulge 
bracket names does not look cheap anymore.   A few highlights will be (comment 
from respective stock picker);
HEXA IJ:  Hitachi heavy equip distributor is gaining market share from UT big 
time.  Coal mining companies are upgrading to Hitachi's super sized excavators 
and dump trucks for higher efficiency.  Kohmatsu simply has no product offering 
in that super sized segment.  Hexa is a purer heavy equipment play with no 
debt, higher growth than UT trading on 6.5x 09, 50% discount to UT.

Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik T Jayamudita

Embah, black diamond-nya Bill William kayaknya repaint, contohnya ASII, black 
diamond (di atas harga = sell) muncul hari ini tapi di posisi candle 1/10/09, 
sedangkan black diamond (di bawah harga = buy) yang tampil di candle 28/9/09 
baru muncul pada 30/9/09.

Bagaimana menggunakannya agar bisa lebih menberikan manfaat sedini mungkin?

Salam,
TJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: jsx_consultant 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:47 AM
  Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
  seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
  mengkali).

  Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
  jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...

  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378da...@...> wrote:
  >
  > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
  > 
  > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
  > 
  > > 10:30
  > >
  > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
  > > grafik masik hijau
  > >
  > >
  > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
  > >
  > > Note:
  > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
  > > saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
  > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
  > > grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
  > >
  > >
  > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
  > > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > 10:00
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
  > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > > + +
  > > + + + + +
  > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
  > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
  > > + + + + +
  > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >

[ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Umunya pada market yg bullish, warna hijau akan panjang...

Kalo waktunya panjang dan naik terus tentunya akumulasi lebih
besar, tapi exactnya berapa engga jelas..
 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ewing gareng  wrote:
>
> mau tanya mbah...kalau beda akumulasi panjang waktu antara short dan long ada 
> pengaruhnya tidak..mengingat indeks sudah mencapai 24xx krn saya liat lebih 
> banyak yang longnya dari pada shortnya...apakah ini akumulasi beli dalam 
> jangka panjang atau ...?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: jsx_consultant 
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 10:47:14 AM
> Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)
> 
>   
> Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
> seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
> mengkali).
> 
> Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
> jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "danii ." <378danii@ .> wrote:
> >
> > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> > 
> > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> > 
> > > 10:30
> > >
> > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > > grafik masik hijau
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwbumizz. png
> > >
> > > Note:
> > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> > >  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> > >  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "jsx_consultant" 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 10:00
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwbumizz. png
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  - - --
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[ob] Fw: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources (KARK)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Syat

Hati-hati ...
Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!

-Original Message-
From: Syat 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:39 
To: OB
Subject: Inilah.com - Bursa Awasi Saham Dayaindo Resources

Inilah.com - Inovasi Portal Berita

Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik ewing gareng

mau tanya mbah...kalau beda akumulasi panjang waktu antara short dan long ada 
pengaruhnya tidak..mengingat indeks sudah mencapai 24xx krn saya liat lebih 
banyak yang longnya dari pada shortnya...apakah ini akumulasi beli dalam jangka 
panjang atau ...?

From: jsx_consultant 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 10:47:14 AM
Subject: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
mengkali).

Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "danii ." <378da...@.. .> wrote:
>
> dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> 
> 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> 
> > 10:30
> >
> > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > grafik masik hijau
> >
> >
> > http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwbumizz. png
> >
> > Note:
> > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> >  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> >  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "jsx_consultant" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 10:00
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwbumizz. png
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  - - --
> >
> > + +
> > + + + + +
> > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > + + + + +
> > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik feto oan

UMA?





From: kobayashi m 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:44:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Kark Mantap...
Thank You BOZZ.



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> BD gendeng emang ... He he canda pisss and thx lah 
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Halim Perdana 
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 
> To: 
> Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?
>






+ +
+ + + + +
Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus 
kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
+ + + + +
+ +Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Kabu Nusi

BMTR, oversold?

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, EB™  wrote:

From: EB™ 
Subject: Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:46 AM

Semua emiten itu BD nya sama boss, jadi kenapa mesti malu??
Kalo yang pegang DEWA mah kelaut aja. Ganti saham lain aja boss
Regards,

EB

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From:  "Irwan Adi Triwibowo" 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:39:28 +0700To: 
Subject: RE: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan 
setelah itu DEWA?

Mantab……ayo BD trub masak
kagak malu sama KARK….. 

From:
obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On 
Behalf Of tommy_yap99@ yahoo.com

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009
11:24 AM

To: Obrolan bandar

Subject: Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip
TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA? 

Keren . .
. 

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From: Halim Perdana

Date: Sun, 4 Oct
2009 21:17:03 -0700 (PDT) 

To:  

Subject: [ob] KARK
mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA? 

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Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik EB™

Semua emiten itu BD nya sama boss, jadi kenapa mesti malu??
Kalo yang pegang DEWA mah kelaut aja. Ganti saham lain aja boss

Regards,

EB

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-Original Message-
From: "Irwan Adi Triwibowo" 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:39:28 
To: 
Subject: RE: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Mantab..ayo BD trub masak kagak malu sama KARK.

 

 



From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
tommy_ya...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Obrolan bandar
Subject: Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

 

  

Keren . . .

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From: Halim Perdana  

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 -0700 (PDT)

To: 

Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

RE: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Irwan Adi Triwibowo

Mantab..ayo BD trub masak kagak malu sama KARK.

 

 



From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
tommy_ya...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Obrolan bandar
Subject: Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

 

  

Keren . . .

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From: Halim Perdana  

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 -0700 (PDT)

To: 

Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik kobayashi m

Kark Mantap...
Thank You BOZZ.



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Syat"  wrote:
>
> BD gendeng emang ... He he canda pisss and thx lah 
> Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Halim Perdana 
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 
> To: 
> Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?
>

Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Syat

BD gendeng emang ... He he canda pisss and thx lah 
Sent from my BB® and see  http://M.inilah.com ...!

-Original Message-
From: Halim Perdana 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 
To: 
Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Re: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Keren . . .
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-Original Message-
From: Halim Perdana 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:17:03 
To: 
Subject: [ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

Re: [ob] Wah .. OB sepi juga hari ini ..

TAL , IHSG bakal di tutup +
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-Original Message-
From: Febry Hariyannugraha 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:27:48 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Wah .. OB sepi juga hari ini ..

Pada kemana ?
Masih mati lampukah ?

[ob] KARK mau nyalip TRUB dan setelah itu DEWA?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Halim Perdana

Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

ups...
Link ini juga:
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg10592.html

Salam,


2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 

> Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
> seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
> mengkali).
>
> Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
> jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...
>
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378da...@...> wrote:
> >
> > dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> >
> > 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> >
> > > 10:30
> > >
> > > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > > grafik masik hijau
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> > >
> > > Note:
> > > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> > >  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> > >  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
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Re: [ob] BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

And penulis buku TRADING CHAOS ...

Refreshing links:
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg10517.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg10520.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg10524.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg10527.html

Salam,



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, jsx_consultant <
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, fifi young  wrote:
> BW adalah pencipta Profitunity method dan Expert Advisor di
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Re: [ob] ASRI

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik agung39

bagaimana dengan RAJA ya parasenior???
Apakah masih boleh dikoleknih???

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Febry Hariyannugraha 
 wrote:
>
> Artinya ada yang di kolek kali ...
> Biasa ... pengalih perhatian ..
> Trader pada nafsu di KARK sama ASRI kayaknya hari ini ..
> Jadi lupa sama yang lain ..  :) :) :)
> 
> 2009/10/5 EBâ¢ 
> 
> >
> >
> > Koq sekarang banyak sekali gorengan yang dimainin ya?
> > Apakah tanda-tanda mau nyungsep dalem???
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > EB
> >
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Jagger" >
> > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 03:36:19
> > To: >
> > Subject: [ob] ASRI
> >
> > ASRI Mantap tuh !!
> > Sent from my BlackBerryÂ®
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[ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

Embah juga belon tahu banyak soal metoda ini, tapi embah
seneng liat signal BLACK DIAMOND (mirip BLUE DOTnya pak Angelo
mengkali).

Embah mengartikannya BLACK DIAMOND adalah signal WAVE REVERSAL ??,
jadi buat SWING TRADING seharusnya bagus...



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "danii ." <378da...@...> wrote:
>
> dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??
> 
> 2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 
> 
> > 10:30
> >
> > IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> > grafik masik hijau
> >
> >
> > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
> >
> > Note:
> > - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
> >  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> > - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
> >  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
> > wrote:
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Re: [ob] ASRI

Artinya ada yang di kolek kali ...
Biasa ... pengalih perhatian ..
Trader pada nafsu di KARK sama ASRI kayaknya hari ini ..
Jadi lupa sama yang lain ..  :) :) :)

2009/10/5 EB™ 

>
>
> Koq sekarang banyak sekali gorengan yang dimainin ya?
> Apakah tanda-tanda mau nyungsep dalem???
>
> Regards,
>
> EB
>
>  Club
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: "Jagger" >
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 03:36:19
> To: >
> Subject: [ob] ASRI
>
> ASRI Mantap tuh !!
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Re: [ob] ASRI

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik EB™

Koq sekarang banyak sekali gorengan yang dimainin ya?
Apakah tanda-tanda mau nyungsep dalem???

Regards,

EB

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 03:36:19 
To: 
Subject: [ob] ASRI

ASRI Mantap tuh !!
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Re: [ob] BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Win

www.wikipedia.org
peace...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, fifi young  wrote:

>
>
> Bill William tuh apa seh Mbah sayang?
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:12 AM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
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>> 10:00
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Re: [ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik danii .

dipake utk tektok harian ya mbah??

2009/10/5 jsx_consultant 

> 10:30
>
> IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
> grafik masik hijau
>
>
> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
>
> Note:
> - Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
>  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
> - Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
>  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 10:00
> >
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> > http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
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Re: [ob] BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, fifi young  wrote:
>
> Bill William tuh apa seh Mbah sayang?
> Thanks.
> 

BW adalah pencipta Profitunity method dan Expert Advisor di 
Metastock. Lihat di menu TOOL dan pilih Expert Advisor...


> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:12 AM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@...> wrote:
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[ob] AmiBroker

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Erwin

pagi all

mau tanya amibroker bisa lihat volum net buy / net sell per saham per
sekuritas gak ya? (kayak di RTI gitu)
kalo metastock apa bisa juga?

trims

[ob] ASRI

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Jagger

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[ob] Re: BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

10:30

IHSG turun -16, BUMI nyentuh 3050 lagi tapi GARISNYA pada
grafik masik hijau


http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png

Note:
- Embah baru coba methoda Bill William ini kemarin, kita
  saksikan bersama apakah methoda ini BAGUS ?.
- Grafiknya kalo belum berubah di REFRESH, embah akan update
  grafik ini setiap 30 menit sekali.


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  
wrote:
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> 10:00
> 
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> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
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Re: [ob] BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik fifi young

Bill William tuh apa seh Mbah sayang?
Thanks.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:12 AM, jsx_consultant <
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

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>
> 10:00
>
> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png
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Re: [ob] Wah .. OB sepi juga hari ini ..

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik highwaystar91

Idx masih kuat/naik kali pak, makanya sepi :) 
Dah beli apa nih pak? Japri aja ya...tks.
Sent from my computer of course!

-Original Message-
From: Febry Hariyannugraha 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:27:48 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Wah .. OB sepi juga hari ini ..

Pada kemana ?
Masih mati lampukah ?

[ob] petok petok

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik TonniF

CPIN
1. Laba bersih 1H09 naik 201%
2. Operating cash flow lebih dari Rp500 milyar
3. Harga bahan baku masih relatif rendah
4. P/E masih dibawah 5x
REKOMENDASI: BOW (Rp1.550)
TARGET HARGA: Rp1.920

by valbury

[ob] Wah .. OB sepi juga hari ini ..

Pada kemana ?
Masih mati lampukah ?

[ob] BUMI Page ini (Bill William)

10:00


http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumizz.png

Re: [ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Bonardo Paruntungan

KARK itu emang punya tambang ? =D

From: JT™ 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 8:09:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

Pagi ini lagi ngga didepan computer Pak, nanti sore deh ane intipin...

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: 
Subject: [ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

Prof JT,

ane mau nanya KARK dah 2 hr naik trus, bisa liat peta petempurannya?

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[ob] IHSG Update

Hehe... Maaf pak...
Jangan terlalu serius pak... Canda aja...
Sy perhatikan lagi dewa gak lagi mabok... Ternyata dewa nya bijaksana... Jadi 
harus sabar dan beriman yg masuk di dewa.

Nah ini serius kalau dari hitungan sy ihsg bulan oktober cenderung koreksi...
Ada tal ketika mumi pada bangun dari kubur... Hati2...

Thx
Hans
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-Original Message-
From: "jkunci" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:06:48 
To: 
Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

Pagi2 pak Hans udah ngelawak, yg baca serius nich... hahaha

Salam,

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, h...@... wrote:
>
> Ia pak.. Bumi dibawah... Support hidup kita di 3000...
> Di langit dewa lagi mabok... 
> 
> Hehe
> Thx
> Hans
> 
> 
> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: kobayashi mitsukuni 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:57:23 
> To: 
> Subject: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> wkwkwkwk
> langit diatas..
> bumi dibawah bgt ya bro...
> "IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2..."
> hahahaaha...
> canda bro...
> 
> 
> hehehehehee..
> Salam
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Dari: "h...@..." 
> Kepada: Obrolan Bandar Groups ; Saham Groups 
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> Terkirim: Sen, 5 Oktober, 2009 08:54:05
> Judul: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...
> 
> IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.
> 
> Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
> momentum kenaikan melemah...
> 
> Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...
> 
> Thx
> Hans
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Re: [ob] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION 10 APRIL 2009

Ia betul pak...
Mohon maaf ada kesalahan penulisan tanggal seharusnya 10 Oktober 2009 bukan 10 
April.

Thx
Hans
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-Original Message-
From: Febry Hariyannugraha 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:57:43 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION 10 APRIL 2009

10 October kali Pak ? Bukan 10 April ...

2009/10/5 Hans Kwee 

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Re: [ob] BUMI 4 Oktober 2009

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik mamank ada

kalo mau masuk bumi yg ok di harga berapa ya...

--- On Mon, 5/10/09, Wisdom Stock Trader  wrote:

From: Wisdom Stock Trader 
Subject: [ob] BUMI 4 Oktober 2009
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 5 October, 2009, 9:28 AM

  Moga2 hari ini plus :)

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[ob] BUMI 4 Oktober 2009

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Wisdom Stock Trader

Moga2 hari ini plus :)

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BLS: Re: [ob] IHSG Update

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik eliasefendi

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Dari: jkunci
Terkirim:  05/10/2009 09:06:48
Subjek:  Re: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

Pagi2 pak Hans udah ngelawak, yg baca serius nich... hahaha

Salam,

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, h...@... wrote:
>
> Ia pak.. Bumi dibawah... Support hidup kita di 3000...
> Di langit dewa lagi mabok... 
> 
> Hehe
> Thx
> Hans
> 
> 
> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: kobayashi mitsukuni 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:57:23 
> To: 
> Subject: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> wkwkwkwk
> langit diatas..
> bumi dibawah bgt ya bro...
> "IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2..."
> hahahaaha...
> canda bro...
> 
> 
> hehehehehee..
> Salam
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dari: "h...@..." 
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> Terkirim: Sen, 5 Oktober, 2009 08:54:05
> Judul: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...
> 
> IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.
> 
> Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
> momentum kenaikan melemah...
> 
> Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...
> 
> Thx
> Hans
> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
> 
> 
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Re: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik jkunci

Pagi2 pak Hans udah ngelawak, yg baca serius nich... hahaha

Salam,

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, h...@... wrote:
>
> Ia pak.. Bumi dibawah... Support hidup kita di 3000...
> Di langit dewa lagi mabok... 
> 
> Hehe
> Thx
> Hans
> 
> 
> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: kobayashi mitsukuni 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:57:23 
> To: 
> Subject: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> wkwkwkwk
> langit diatas..
> bumi dibawah bgt ya bro...
> "IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2..."
> hahahaaha...
> canda bro...
> 
> 
> hehehehehee..
> Salam
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dari: "h...@..." 
> Kepada: Obrolan Bandar Groups ; Saham Groups 
> ; Milis AATI Groups ; 
> Metastock Id Groups ; JSX Trader Groups 
> 
> Terkirim: Sen, 5 Oktober, 2009 08:54:05
> Judul: [ob] IHSG Update
> 
> IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
> Support masih ada di bawah 
> Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
> Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...
> 
> IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.
> 
> Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
> momentum kenaikan melemah...
> 
> Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...
> 
> Thx
> Hans
> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ob] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION 10 APRIL 2009

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik charles_3983

waduh... TAL ini... hahaha

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Febry Hariyannugraha 
 wrote:
>
> 10 October kali Pak ? Bukan 10 April ...
> 
> 2009/10/5 Hans Kwee 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >*
> > Dear Valued members,*
> >
> > Mengamati pasar yang semakin bergairah dan semakin banyaknya masyarakat
> > yang terjun dalam trading di saham, faktor penting yang harus diingat agar
> > berhasil adalah pengetahuan yang membimbing kepada keputusan trading yang
> > jitu.
> >
> > Kami mengundang rekan-rekan untuk menimba pengetahuan ini pada kelas-kelas
> > kursus kami yang telah diperlengkapi dengan sarana dan informasi yang
> > bersumberdaya.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > *MetaSTock Education*
> >
> >   *TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION*
> >Pengantar:
> >
> > Trading di pasar saham atau pun forex hanya bisa disebut demikian jika ada
> > aksi beli dan aksi jual. Profit dapat diperoleh jika aksi beli dilakukan
> > pada harga yang lebih rendah dari pada aksi jualnya. Pemahaman tentang pada
> > level berapa aksi beli dan aksi jual seharusnya dilakukan dapat diperoleh
> > dengan analisa grafik yang dikenal dengan Analisis Teknikal.  Salah satu
> > bidang analisa grafik ini, Analisis Teknikal Klasik, pada umumnya mencari
> > support-resistance yang adalah lokasi harga yang tepat untuk melakukan aksi
> > beli dan aksi jual. Analisa grafik ini akan menggunakan platform software
> > MetaStock yang
> > Apa yang Akan Diperoleh dari Kursus ini?:
> >
> > *Setelah mengikuti kursus ini, para peserta akan mampu: *
> >
> >- Memahami filosofi Analisis Teknikal, mengapa grafik harga dan volume
> >dapat mencerminkan apa yang sedang terjadi di pasar.
> >- Mengenal istilah-istilah analisis teknikal yang sering digunakan para
> >pelaku pasar yang menggunakan pendekatan analisis demikian.
> >- Mengetahui cara menemukan support-resistance harga sebagai dasar
> >keputusan untuk melakukan pembelian di harga murah dan penjualan di harga
> >mahal.
> >- Bagaimana mengoperasikan software MetaStock dalam melakukan kegiatan
> >analisis teknikal.
> >- Bagi yang  belum memiliki MetaStock akan mendapatkan software ini
> >free trial selama 1 bulan beserta dengan penyediaan data BEI saham
> >dan indeks, data DOW, Hangseng dan Crude Oil.
> >
> > Siapa yang Dapat Ikut Serta?
> >
> > Para pemula di pasar saham yang ingin menjadi trader, investor atau pun
> > staf analis di perusahaan broker.
> > Materi Kursus
> >
> >1. *Trend Analisis
> >*
> >2. *Trend Channel*
> >3. *Support and Resistance ** *
> >4. *Chart Patterns *
> >5. *GAPAnalysis *
> >6. *Basic Volume *
> >7. *Fibonacci Studies *
> >8. *Percentage Retracement *
> >
> >
> >  *Kategori
> >Basic Technical Analysis
> >
> > [image: _]
> > Pengajar *
> >  Mr. JSX Trader (JT)
> > (Trader & Technical Analyst)
> > Mr. Hans Kwee
> > (Trader & Technical Analyst)
> > Mr. Angelo MIchel
> > (Trader & Technical Analyst)
> >
> > *Jadwal*
> > Sabtu, 10 Oktober 2009
> >   09:00-17:00
> >
> > *Tempat*
> > Hotel Ibis Kemayoran
> >   Jl. Bungur Besar
> > Jakarta
> > Peta Klik 
> > Disini
> >
> > *Biaya *
> >   * Rp.1.000.000,- *
> >
> >*per peserta*
> >
> > *Registration*
> >
> > Mariana 021-71057898
> >
> > mari...@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: _]
> >  PT Bumianyar Futuria
> > http://www.bumianyar.com
> > Securities Analysis &
> > Education Center
> >   *cp*. Angelo
> >  0816 135 4769
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> >
> >  __
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

Ia pak.. Bumi dibawah... Support hidup kita di 3000...
Di langit dewa lagi mabok... 

Hehe
Thx
Hans


Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone

-Original Message-
From: kobayashi mitsukuni 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:57:23 
To: 
Subject: Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

wkwkwkwk
langit diatas..
bumi dibawah bgt ya bro...
"IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
Support masih ada di bawah 
Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2..."
hahahaaha...
canda bro...


hehehehehee..
Salam

 




Dari: "h...@bumianyar.net" 
Kepada: Obrolan Bandar Groups ; Saham Groups 
; Milis AATI Groups ; 
Metastock Id Groups ; JSX Trader Groups 

Terkirim: Sen, 5 Oktober, 2009 08:54:05
Judul: [ob] IHSG Update

IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
Support masih ada di bawah 
Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...

IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.

Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
momentum kenaikan melemah...

Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...

Thx
Hans
Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone



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Re: [ob] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION 10 APRIL 2009

10 October kali Pak ? Bukan 10 April ...

2009/10/5 Hans Kwee 

>
>
>
>
>
>*
> Dear Valued members,*
>
> Mengamati pasar yang semakin bergairah dan semakin banyaknya masyarakat
> yang terjun dalam trading di saham, faktor penting yang harus diingat agar
> berhasil adalah pengetahuan yang membimbing kepada keputusan trading yang
> jitu.
>
> Kami mengundang rekan-rekan untuk menimba pengetahuan ini pada kelas-kelas
> kursus kami yang telah diperlengkapi dengan sarana dan informasi yang
> bersumberdaya.
>
> Best regards,
> *MetaSTock Education*
>
>   *TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION*
>Pengantar:
>
> Trading di pasar saham atau pun forex hanya bisa disebut demikian jika ada
> aksi beli dan aksi jual. Profit dapat diperoleh jika aksi beli dilakukan
> pada harga yang lebih rendah dari pada aksi jualnya. Pemahaman tentang pada
> level berapa aksi beli dan aksi jual seharusnya dilakukan dapat diperoleh
> dengan analisa grafik yang dikenal dengan Analisis Teknikal.  Salah satu
> bidang analisa grafik ini, Analisis Teknikal Klasik, pada umumnya mencari
> support-resistance yang adalah lokasi harga yang tepat untuk melakukan aksi
> beli dan aksi jual. Analisa grafik ini akan menggunakan platform software
> MetaStock yang
> Apa yang Akan Diperoleh dari Kursus ini?:
>
> *Setelah mengikuti kursus ini, para peserta akan mampu: *
>
>- Memahami filosofi Analisis Teknikal, mengapa grafik harga dan volume
>dapat mencerminkan apa yang sedang terjadi di pasar.
>- Mengenal istilah-istilah analisis teknikal yang sering digunakan para
>pelaku pasar yang menggunakan pendekatan analisis demikian.
>- Mengetahui cara menemukan support-resistance harga sebagai dasar
>keputusan untuk melakukan pembelian di harga murah dan penjualan di harga
>mahal.
>- Bagaimana mengoperasikan software MetaStock dalam melakukan kegiatan
>analisis teknikal.
>- Bagi yang  belum memiliki MetaStock akan mendapatkan software ini
>free trial selama 1 bulan beserta dengan penyediaan data BEI saham
>dan indeks, data DOW, Hangseng dan Crude Oil.
>
> Siapa yang Dapat Ikut Serta?
>
> Para pemula di pasar saham yang ingin menjadi trader, investor atau pun
> staf analis di perusahaan broker.
> Materi Kursus
>
>1. *Trend Analisis
>*
>2. *Trend Channel*
>3. *Support and Resistance ** *
>4. *Chart Patterns *
>5. *GAPAnalysis *
>6. *Basic Volume *
>7. *Fibonacci Studies *
>8. *Percentage Retracement *
>
>
>  *Kategori
>Basic Technical Analysis
>
> [image: _]
> Pengajar *
>  Mr. JSX Trader (JT)
> (Trader & Technical Analyst)
> Mr. Hans Kwee
> (Trader & Technical Analyst)
> Mr. Angelo MIchel
> (Trader & Technical Analyst)
>
> *Jadwal*
> Sabtu, 10 Oktober 2009
>   09:00-17:00
>
> *Tempat*
> Hotel Ibis Kemayoran
>   Jl. Bungur Besar
> Jakarta
> Peta Klik 
> Disini
>
> *Biaya *
>   * Rp.1.000.000,- *
>
>*per peserta*
>
> *Registration*
>
> Mariana 021-71057898
>
> mari...@bumianyar.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: _]
>  PT Bumianyar Futuria
> http://www.bumianyar.com
> Securities Analysis &
> Education Center
>   *cp*. Angelo
>  0816 135 4769
>
>
>
>  --
>
>  __
>
>
>  
>

Bls: [ob] IHSG Update

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik kobayashi mitsukuni

wkwkwkwk
langit diatas..
bumi dibawah bgt ya bro...
"IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
Support masih ada di bawah 
Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2..."
hahahaaha...
canda bro...


hehehehehee..
Salam

 




Dari: "h...@bumianyar.net" 
Kepada: Obrolan Bandar Groups ; Saham Groups 
; Milis AATI Groups ; 
Metastock Id Groups ; JSX Trader Groups 

Terkirim: Sen, 5 Oktober, 2009 08:54:05
Judul: [ob] IHSG Update

IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
Support masih ada di bawah 
Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...

IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.

Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
momentum kenaikan melemah...

Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...

Thx
Hans
Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone



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[ob] IDX this week....

bgm idx minggu ini sd 9 oct? 5 oct,
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yin (Old)
Yin (Old)
Yang (New)
The present is embodied in Hexagram 25 - Wu Wang (The Unexpected): 
Great progress and success is indicated, while there will be advantage in being 
firm and correct. If he or his action be not correct, he will fall into errors, 
and it will not be advantageous for him to move in any direction.
The second line, divided, shows one who reaps without having ploughed, 
and gathers the produce of his third year's fields without having cultivated 
them the first year for that end. To such a one there will be advantage in 
whatever direction he may move.
The third line, divided, shows calamity happening to one who is free 
from insincerity, as in the case of an ox that has been tied up. A passer by 
finds it and carries it off, while the people in the neighbourhood have the 
calamity of being accused and apprehended.
The situation is shifting, and Yang (the active masculine force) is 
gaining ground.
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
Yang (New)
The future is embodied in Hexagram 1 - Ch'ien (The Creative): That 
which is great and originating, penetrating, advantageous, correct and firm.
The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the 
upper trigram Chi'en (Heaven), which represents strength and creativity.
The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the 
lower trigram Chen (Thunder), which is transforming into Chi'en (Heaven). As 
part of this process, movement, initiative, and action are giving way to 
strength and creativity.

-
ascend

[ob] TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION 10 APRIL 2009

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Hans Kwee

   *
Dear Valued members,*

Mengamati pasar yang semakin bergairah dan semakin banyaknya masyarakat yang
terjun dalam trading di saham, faktor penting yang harus diingat agar
berhasil adalah pengetahuan yang membimbing kepada keputusan trading yang
jitu.

Kami mengundang rekan-rekan untuk menimba pengetahuan ini pada kelas-kelas
kursus kami yang telah diperlengkapi dengan sarana dan informasi yang
bersumberdaya.

Best regards,
*MetaSTock Education*

  *TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR MARKET ACTION*
   Pengantar:

Trading di pasar saham atau pun forex hanya bisa disebut demikian jika ada
aksi beli dan aksi jual. Profit dapat diperoleh jika aksi beli dilakukan
pada harga yang lebih rendah dari pada aksi jualnya. Pemahaman tentang pada
level berapa aksi beli dan aksi jual seharusnya dilakukan dapat diperoleh
dengan analisa grafik yang dikenal dengan Analisis Teknikal.  Salah satu
bidang analisa grafik ini, Analisis Teknikal Klasik, pada umumnya mencari
support-resistance yang adalah lokasi harga yang tepat untuk melakukan aksi
beli dan aksi jual. Analisa grafik ini akan menggunakan platform software
MetaStock yang
Apa yang Akan Diperoleh dari Kursus ini?:

*Setelah mengikuti kursus ini, para peserta akan mampu: *

   - Memahami filosofi Analisis Teknikal, mengapa grafik harga dan volume
   dapat mencerminkan apa yang sedang terjadi di pasar.
   - Mengenal istilah-istilah analisis teknikal yang sering digunakan para
   pelaku pasar yang menggunakan pendekatan analisis demikian.
   - Mengetahui cara menemukan support-resistance harga sebagai dasar
   keputusan untuk melakukan pembelian di harga murah dan penjualan di harga
   mahal.
   - Bagaimana mengoperasikan software MetaStock dalam melakukan kegiatan
   analisis teknikal.
   - Bagi yang  belum memiliki MetaStock akan mendapatkan software ini free
   trial selama 1 bulan beserta dengan penyediaan data BEI saham dan indeks,
   data DOW, Hangseng dan Crude Oil.

Siapa yang Dapat Ikut Serta?

Para pemula di pasar saham yang ingin menjadi trader, investor atau pun staf
analis di perusahaan broker.
Materi Kursus

   1. *Trend Analisis
   *
   2. *Trend Channel*
   3. *Support and Resistance ** *
   4. *Chart Patterns *
   5. *GAPAnalysis *
   6. *Basic Volume *
   7. *Fibonacci Studies *
   8. *Percentage Retracement *


 *Kategori
   Basic Technical Analysis

[image: _]
Pengajar *
 Mr. JSX Trader (JT)
(Trader & Technical Analyst)
Mr. Hans Kwee
(Trader & Technical Analyst)
Mr. Angelo MIchel
(Trader & Technical Analyst)

*Jadwal*
Sabtu, 10 Oktober 2009
  09:00-17:00

*Tempat*
Hotel Ibis Kemayoran
  Jl. Bungur Besar
Jakarta
Peta Klik 
Disini

*Biaya *
  * Rp.1.000.000,- *

   *per peserta*

*Registration*

Mariana 021-71057898

mari...@bumianyar.net







[image: _]
 PT Bumianyar Futuria
http://www.bumianyar.com
Securities Analysis &
Education Center
  *cp*. Angelo
 0816 135 4769



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[ob] Re: ANTM gimane nih?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik jkunci

Newbie coba ya pak, secara TA setelah break di awal Agust harga kembali 
konsolidasi dan masih dalam posisi uptrend. Sekarang harga di titik support 
uptrend, kemungkinan melanjutkan ke resist 2750. CMIIW.

Salam,

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "iching_prediction" 
 wrote:
>
> kagak ada yg ngomongin antm? kayakanya minggu ini oke 
> hex 46.1.3 (pushing upward) to 34 (the power of great)
> secara ta, fa, bandarmologi gimana? share dong..he..he
>

Re: [ob] ANTM gimane nih?

Yang jelas jangan di omongin di OB ..
Toh banyak warga OB megang ANTM bukan ?
Jadi biar aja BD bekerja hehehehehe ...
Deal ? :)


2009/10/5 Rei 

>
>
> Saya bukan expert tapi antm masih agak sulit kalo permintaan nickel belum
> balik dan ini berkaitan erat dgn global recovery. Harga nickel memang sdh
> rebound 100% dari harga lowest-nya dan semoga bisa terus membaik. Saya gak
> punya chart nickel, tapi nanti pasti ada yg bisa analisa.
> Kalo Antm perlu break 2650 dgn volume (pak JT yg bisa hitung) utk bisa
> lebih tinggi lagi (highest 2775 bukan? atau 2750? lupa)
> Target? Anyone? Jauh bgt deh dari all time high 5250...
>
> 2009/10/5 iching_prediction 
>
>>
>>
>> kagak ada yg ngomongin antm? kayakanya minggu ini oke
>> hex 46.1.3 (pushing upward) to 34 (the power of great)
>> secara ta, fa, bandarmologi gimana? share dong..he..he
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my computer of course!
>  
>

Re: INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik highwaystar91

Menurut I-ching ya pak? 
Sent from my computer of course!

-Original Message-
From: "iching_prediction" 
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:50:33 
To: 
Subject: INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

tins rising dah..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "t_bumi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Sip : tbumi
> 
> http://www.timah.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemi\
> d=1
>  id=1>
> 
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&sid=a_l5oGBxElmE
> 
> 
> 
> http://news.mining.com/2009/10/04/the-mystery-investor-who-is-turning-th\
> e-tin-market-on-its-head
>  he-tin-market-on-its-head>
>

[ob] IHSG Update

IHSG cenderung sideways tertekan...
Support masih ada di bawah 
Resistance juga masih ada di atas...
Hehe... Sedang mati listrik nih... Gak bisa hitung2...

IHSG perlu close diatas 2485 untuk melanjutkan momentum kenaikan.

Hari ini ada peluang 2500 terbit tetapi bila gagal di tutup diatas 2485 
momentum kenaikan melemah...

Sy cenderung sos bila tidak kuat nanjak...

Thx
Hans
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Re: [ob] ANTM gimane nih?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Rei

Saya bukan expert tapi antm masih agak sulit kalo permintaan nickel belum
balik dan ini berkaitan erat dgn global recovery. Harga nickel memang sdh
rebound 100% dari harga lowest-nya dan semoga bisa terus membaik. Saya gak
punya chart nickel, tapi nanti pasti ada yg bisa analisa. Kalo Antm perlu
break 2650 dgn volume (pak JT yg bisa hitung) utk bisa lebih tinggi lagi
(highest 2775 bukan? atau 2750? lupa)
Target? Anyone? Jauh bgt deh dari all time high 5250...

2009/10/5 iching_prediction 

>
>
> kagak ada yg ngomongin antm? kayakanya minggu ini oke
> hex 46.1.3 (pushing upward) to 34 (the power of great)
> secara ta, fa, bandarmologi gimana? share dong..he..he
>
>  
>



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INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

tins rising dah..

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> 
> 
> Sip : tbumi
> 
> http://www.timah.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemi\
> d=1
>  id=1>
> 
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&sid=a_l5oGBxElmE
> 
> 
> 
> http://news.mining.com/2009/10/04/the-mystery-investor-who-is-turning-th\
> e-tin-market-on-its-head
>  he-tin-market-on-its-head>
>

INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik t_bumi



Sip : tbumi

http://www.timah.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemi\
d=1


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&sid=a_l5oGBxElmE



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[ob] ANTM gimane nih?

kagak ada yg ngomongin antm? kayakanya minggu ini oke 
hex 46.1.3 (pushing upward) to 34 (the power of great)
secara ta, fa, bandarmologi gimana? share dong..he..he

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hypinggerinflation

siippp jendral...bikin ngacungnya yang tinggi ya...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "It's Elaine!"  wrote:
>
> *Artmoro implicitly just said he will jack up bumi tomorrow, so let's just
> enjoy it. What a generous person he is. [?] *
> 
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:50 PM, boyz®  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > You are so modest :)
> > Thanks anyway for sharing and enrich us with macro view.
> > Those should be helpful for them who analyze the market by 'top-down'
> > approach.
> > Keep sharing.
> >
> > Salam,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:38 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> *For day to day strategy, OB has JT, Tasrul, Embah, Boyz and Artomoro9
> >> which should be more than enough to guide everyone here. I, like yokorusi,
> >> only express our opinion from the macro side.
> >>
> >> I also understand that my investment strategy is not quite relevant to
> >> retail traders so please forgive me for my limited knowledge.*
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM, boyz®  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hahaha... You got me.
> >>> Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :P
> >>>
> >>> Pls EL... tell me.
> >>> At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation
> >>> of their assets.
> >>> Thanks. :)
> >>>
> >>> Salam,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  *I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can
>  somebody help?*
> 
> 
> 
>  On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sharing, EL.
> > I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
> > What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's
> > sovereign to anticipate that.
> >
> > From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
> > institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
> > where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*
> > devaluation*'. (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
> > Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Salam,
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
> >> cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 
> >> 2010:
> >> *
> >>
> >>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US
> >>is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose 
> >> their
> >>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
> >>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
> >>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
> >>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more 
> >> meaningful)
> >>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. 
> >> Rising prices
> >>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the 
> >> inflation in
> >>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an 
> >> aftereffect we
> >>experience rising prices.
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
> >>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they 
> >> already
> >>have excess supply from last year contract.
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
> >>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as 
> >> well.
> >>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the 
> >> form of
> >>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
> >>including to Bumi (lolz)
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
> >>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of 
> >> civil war
> >>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years 
> >> ago). I
> >>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global
> >>money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD 
> >> is in
> >>bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be 
> >> created
> >>in a matter of a millisecond.
> >>
> >>*
> >>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
> >>catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to 
> >> dollar
> >>shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the

[ob] Nikkei

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik JsxSniper

Nikkei 
low 9713 
rebound sampai 9749 
saat ini 9736..

Moga2 regional mendukung..
- One Shoot One Kill -

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

The only one that's not change in this world is the change itself.


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob Oen"  wrote:
>
> Humankind are used to face ups and downs, peace and war, optimism and 
> pessimism, and those things we call circle of suffering, the nature of life.
> 
> From point of view of certain master mind that tragedy should be created 
> consciously or unconsciously in order for them to enjoy the excitement and 
> take the winning situation.
> 
> And for those small people (victim) if I may suggest, please adopt the 
> following understanding.that."Tragedy should be utilized as a source 
> of strength" no matter what sort of difficulties, how painful experience is, 
> if we lose our hope that is our real disaster.
> 
> Please also keep in mind that since the Worldly life are interconnected and 
> interdependenthence, the only way to prevent the catastrophe or the 
> collapse of global economy is to design and apply a fair and reliable 
> monetary and economic system + put stringent control over those who has MORAL 
> HAZARD to take charge.
>  
> 
> Sent from my XL BlackBerry®. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "It's Elaine!" 
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:52:41 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation
> 
> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents, or
> should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
> *
> 
>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is the
>biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their purchasing
>power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more expensive), less
>workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
> 
>*
>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
> prices
>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in
>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>experience rising prices.
> 
>*
>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the
>biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have
>excess supply from last year contract.
> 
>*
>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since
>China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. 
> Basically
>they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so
>CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi
>(lolz)
> 
>*
>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the United
>States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war and
>social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I kinda
>agree with this guy. People's States of China..
> 
>*
>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money) for
>international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank notes
>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter
>of a millisecond.
> 
>*
>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe
>for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say
>Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).
> 
>*
>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural
>gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
> 
>*
>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>job.
> 
>*
>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to
>have children because of high unemployment.
> 
>*
>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>*
> 
> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to
> discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most of
> you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your opinion
> too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is only a
> lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
> 
> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
> ***
> 2009/10/4 yokorusi 
> 
> > http://unpublisheddream.blogspot.com/2009/10/nightmare-of-sang-raksasa.html
> >
> >
> > Bulan February 2009 yang lalu di dalam satu tulisan yang berjudul Worst
> > Than Nothing atau Better Than No

Bls: [ob] Re: DJIA for today - Lakon Wisanggeni ?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik EdwinKdr


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyzÂ®  wrote:
>
>
> Sepertinya ada dua versi ttg kematian/kekalahan Wisanggeni:
> http://bharatayudha.multiply.com/journal/item/325
>
> > Meski ia termasuk golongan weruh sakdurunge winarah (mampu melihat
sebelum
> > terjadi), tetap juga Wisanggeni menjalani takdirNya kemudian:
Menjadi tumbal
> > kemenangan Pandhawa. Sang satria *Wisanggeni mati di tangan Bala
Kurawa
> > dengan legowo*.
> >
>
> http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisanggeni
>
> > Setelah melalui beberapa pertimbangan, akhirnya Wisanggeni dan
Antasena
> > memutuskan untuk tidak kembali ke perkemahan Pandawa. Keduanya rela
menjadi
> > tumbal demi kemenangan para Pandawa. *Mereka pun mengheningkan
cipta.
> > Beberapa waktu kemudian keduanya pun mencapai moksa, musnah bersama
jasad
> > mereka.*
> >
>


Sebagai Penutup cerita minggu ini tentang Lakon Wisanggeni  [B-)]
Dan sebelum buka Pasar hari ini.

Berikut Lagu  Opick Feat Mellly Goeslaw "Takdir"


Semoga bermanfaat,

Tks

Regards

Notes : Sebelum OB menjadi OD ha ha ha  [:))]

Re: [ob] MEDC _ to Prof JT

Prof JT yg selalu merendah , ditunggu info2 lainnya Prof 
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-Original Message-
From: "JT" 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:47:19 
To: 
Subject: RE: [ob] MEDC _ to Prof JT

Thank you.., Anda terlalu memuji.., gak lah Pak, most people with decent TA 
skill should be able to see EARLY MOVE dari MEDC saat itu…, trigger levelnya 
juga mdh dilihat (3100)….,  masalahnya wkt itu percaya apa ngga??  hehe…

JT 

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Behalf Of Samurai
Sent: 03 Oktober 2009 20:49
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] MEDC_ to Prof JT

Thanks For MEDC analysis.. You are the best technicalist

Re: [ob] OOT - Aplikasi Skype

Masih harus buy ya , gak ada inulnya ?
Hahahahaha
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From: "Maximilian Kurniawan" 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:58:51 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Aplikasi Skype

Pak,

Setahu saya utk skype so far pakai im+. Itu bagus,sy sendiri beli softwarenya. 
Sygnya belum ketemu 'inul'nya :). Dia pakai imei bb utk generate codenya.

Utk link,sy sudah ga ada,tp kalo googling mungkin bs cari'blackberry blink'. Tx

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From: "Pitt The Wid" 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:51:56 
To: 
Subject: [ob] OOT - Aplikasi Skype

Apa sudah ada instant messenger skype yg gratis (bukan trial) di blackberry 
bold 9000 ?

Ps : Mgkn ada rekan yg masih simpan link utk install beberapa jenis nyala lampu 
BB utk membedakan email, sms dan lain-lain.

Thx.

Brgds,
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Re: [ob] OOT - zip di bb

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik dho

Pakai ini pak... Freeware...

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From: ekonombel...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:09:45 
To: 
Subject: [ob] OOT - zip di bb

Ada yg tau aplikasi utk buka n buat winzip utk bb? Thanks before
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Re: [ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik JT™

Pagi ini lagi ngga didepan computer Pak, nanti sore deh ane intipin...

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From: Gunawan Samin 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:16:47 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

Prof JT,

ane mau nanya KARK dah 2 hr naik trus, bisa liat peta petempurannya?

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Bls: [ob] Re: DJIA for today - Lakon Wisanggeni ?

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik EdwinKdr

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, eclaireur  wrote:
>
> sebelumnya minta ijin buat embah, mau nanya2 ttg pewayangan lg  ke
> dr.edwin nih...

Waduh maap Pak saya bukan dr...wong cuman lulusan S3 Ny   [:">]
  (Maksudnya SD-SMP-SMK-Nyaris S1 alias drop out  [:))] ) becanda dink
Pak  [:p]

>
> cerita yang seru pak, kira2 ada game ttg barathayuda gak yah pak ?...
:-)
> ksatria2 korawa kira2 menggambarkan apa pak dalam dunia per"trading"an
> saham ini ?

Ini ceritanya tentang malih rupo sptnya [:)]

Gambaran sederhananya adalah karakter Pandawa secara keseluruhan adalah
dilindungi oleh Kresna atau Semar.

Kresna titisan Bathara Wisnu atau Dewa yg cinta damai dan pelindung alam
semesta.
Berbicara tentang Bathara Wisnu, tentu kita bicara tentang keharmonisan
dan keseimbangan alam.

Mungkin disini saya ambilkan contoh dari Embah :

(Kurva Lonceng)

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/190413

Semoga maknanya bisa ditangkap  [:D]  - tdk Ilmiah soalnya  [:">]

> apakah ksatria2 korawa melulu adalah tokoh antagonis ?

Kurawa selalu mengambil peran antagonis.
Sebagai wakil dari Keserakahan Keangkara Murkaan, Adigang, adigung lan
diguna  [:)]
Dan sebenarnya mereka juga penakut  [:)]

Kalo saja tdk dikompori oleh Karna, Kurawa tdk akan berani melawan
Pandawa 5  [:p]

Jadi siapa saja saja bisa masuk dalam peran ini.Jika tdk waspada dan
hati2 melangkah

Istilah sahamnya sudah jelas : Fear and Greed  [:)]

> td sy searching2 sebenarnya ada ksatria di pihak korawa yg sengaja
> disiasati kresna agar tidak ikut berperang yakni baladewa, hmm...

Baladewa sebenarnya adalah Kakak dari Kresna
Jadi kalo sampe Baladewa masuk perang Barathayuda, tdk ada lagi yg
sanggup menandingi
Baladewa, selain Kresna sendiri, sedangkan Kresna tdk boleh berperang.

Sesuai perjanjian Pandawa dan Kurawa dalam lakon "Kresna Gugah" dimana
Semua pasukan kerajaan menjadi pasukan Kurawa dan Kresna hanya boleh
menjadi sais Arjuna  [:">]

> ceritanya mungkin berbeda klo dia ikut kali ya... hehehe

  [:))]  --> ya itulah keseimbangan alam, sama juga spt kenapa Wisanggeni
tdk diijinkan ikut perang Barathayuda demikian juga dengan Baladewa yg
sebenarnya lebih sayang kpd Kurawa
tapi dihalangi oleh Kresna  [;)]

Mungkin lebih pasnya, bisa membaca Postingan Embah dan Master Oentoeng
tentang

Market MODEL: Mujahidin, Russian and American

O iya...saya bukan Master lho dan bukan Suhu(fuih..status yg berat) 
[#-o]
Tapi identitas saya sebenarnya adalah  [:-$]   Spiderman  [:))]

(Walah lebih parah... "With great power comes great responsibility
  "  --> Spiderman apa alien
ya  [;)] )

>
> salam.

Semoga bermanfaat,

Tks

Regards

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000)

BP sold its asset in Indonesia because its no longer fits its long term
portfolio strategy. They shifted to gas and alternative sustainable energy.

===
BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!


2009/10/5 Kabu Nusi 

>
> BP, Exxon sees Coal to Liquid in 25 years (Biomass to Liquid first), Coal
> to Gas in 50 years
>
>
> numpang kompor.com :
> http://www.kaskus.us/showpost.php?p=120456338&postcount=100324
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 10/4/09, It's Elaine! * wrote:
>
>
> From: It's Elaine! 
> Subject: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:44 PM
>
>
>
>
> *#1 green energy and global warming issue, and coal is considered as
> dirty. But of course for now coal is king, but for how long?
>
> #2 it is. *
>
> 2009/10/4 anrusing data 
> http://mc/compose?to=anru.s...@gmail.com>
> >
>
>>
>>
>> Very good El,
>>
>> Mostly have the same sense with you,  except:
>>
>> Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas
>> will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>> # Why do they use energy sources while coal is still cheap?
>>
>> Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job.
>> # emang mau panas, sambel, terasi, tempe? (bad joke :) )
>>
>> Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>> betting in Asia ex Japan.
>> # wah, saingan ama prof JT and Hans donk... :)
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>> http://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
>>> cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
>>> *
>>>
>>>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>>>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>>>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>>>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>>>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>>>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>>>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
>>> prices
>>>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation 
>>> in
>>>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>>>experience rising prices.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>>>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already
>>>have excess supply from last year contract.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>>>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well.
>>>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of
>>>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>>>including to Bumi (lolz)
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>>>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil 
>>> war
>>>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>>>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>>>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
>>> notes
>>>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a 
>>> matter
>>>of a millisecond.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
>>>catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar
>>>shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange 
>>> doesn't
>>>get frozen).
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>>>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>>>job.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing
>>>to have children because of high unemployment.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>>>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>>>*
>>>
>>> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free
>>> to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
>>> Crisis, right? . I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most
>>> of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
>>> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
>>> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>>>
>>> There is no secret agenda, all we hav

[ob] Peta Petempuran KARK --> Prof JT

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Gunawan Samin

Prof JT,
 
ane mau nanya KARK dah 2 hr naik trus, bisa liat peta petempurannya?
 
makasih

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RE: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG + Black Diamond

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Aria Bela Nusa

Kalo lihat Gambarnya di bawah  kayaknya mental-balik, reversal ke atas2
(sedikit, sebentar aja)  krn diapit 2 (dua) center-lines (merah, biru) itu

 

 

  _  

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Alimin
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:31 PM
To: OB
Subject: RE: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG + Black Diamond

thx mbah.
btw, technical rebound doang ya, mau sampe brp % emang?
mendingan MEDCO aja, uhui..!

  _  

To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
From: jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:10:14 +
Subject: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG + Black Diamond

  

BUMI untuk hari Senin:

- Posisi BD masih SHORT di BUMI
- BUMI bertahan pada Centreline Biru dan merah (medium and short 
term wave)
- Black Diamondnya Bill William muncul sebagai signal Wave
atau Subwave Reversal
- Jadi meskipun posisi BD adalah SHORT, bisa jadi hari Senin
bisa ada Technical Rebound (disclaimer ON, kalo turun
lagi jangan marah yah karena BD lagi ngesot)

http://www.obrolanb 
andar.com/piwbumi.png

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, "Jacob Oen"  wrote:
>
> Sedikit koreksi maksud ane pencet B itu go to BOTTOM.
> 
> Hehehe
> Sent from my XL BlackBerryÂ®. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jacob Oen" 
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:29:56 
> To: mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG
> 
> Baru sempat buka BB dan kebetulan salah pencet B jadi go to button dan wah
ane liat email dari pak Arto 4 Sept dan tertarik membacanya
lagiternyata ada comment juga dari pak boyz dan lainnya yang menurut
ane masih relevant untuk dibaca dan yang terpenting lucu-nya itu loh.
> 
> Jadi jangan dilewatkan baca sekali lagi.
> 
> Hehehe.
> Sent from my XL BlackBerryÂ®. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: artomoro9 
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 01:58:09 
> To: mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG
> 
> 
> BUKTIKAN MBAH.
> 
> jangan kalah sama billy mbah.
> anak sma kelas 2 aja berani terima tantangan, masa Embah kaga berani.
> 
> 
> KOMPORMLEDUG.COM
> 
> note: jangan ngeles ya mbah...
> 
> 
> regards,
> 
> A9
> 
> 
> 
> --- Pada Jum, 4/9/09, boyz  menulis:
> 
> Dari: boyz 
> Judul: Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI dan IHSG
> Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com
> Tanggal: Jumat, 4 September, 2009, 12:46 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks atas tips nya mBah...
> 
> Hayo besok kita coba selama 10 hari,
> Begitu cross Up, mBah teriak Buy. 
> Kalau Cross Down, mBah teriak Sell / Shortsell.
> Kalo dari 10 hari itu 70% trade = cuan, mBah layak menyandang
MasterTrader.
> 
> Gimana mBah?Â  hehehe...
> 
> Ampun mBah ampoeenn... ane jgn di jewer.
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/9/4 jsx_consultant 
> 
> Coba yg paling GAMPANG tapi YAHUD, MA5 pada grafik intraday
> 
> 
> 
> contoh:
> 
> - http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwbumi.png
> 
> 
> 
> Â  Â  Â  Â  Trading BUMI pake MA 5
> 
> - Buy jika harga nembus MA5 keatas
> 
> - Sell jika harga nembus MA5 kebawah
> 
> 
> 
> Biarpun telat masuk/keluar tapi MANTAP
> 
> Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â kata Mbah Surip
> 
> Â  Â  dan engga usah ngitung karung
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Bagus Putra Perdana
 wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Tul Bang Boyz.., gak ada yg absolut.. Gak Trader gak market maker gak
> 
> > fundamentalis sama2 cari cuann en belajar di mari..
> 
> >
> 
> > jadi inget kata2nya Jeff deGraff CFA CMT (dulu chief technical analyst
nya
> 
> > Lehman Brothers,)
> 
> >
> 
> > "As a CertiÃ¯Â¬ ed Financial Analyst (CFA) and Chartered
> 
> > Market Technician (CMT) charter holder, I will go so far as to say that
> 
> > both disciplines work and both disciplines fail at inopportune times.
> 
> > While each discipline has unique merits and attributes, neither deserves
> 
> > the religious fervor championed by its most ardent proponents, for both
> 
> > are fallible. In a business where the score is literally kept every day,
it
> 
> > is
> 
> > surprising how often the means (forms of analysis) are held in higher
re-
> 
> > gard than the ends (money being made). That is to say, the sequence and
> 
> > sophistication of arriving at the buy or sell decision is often looked
upon
> 
> > with more prestige than the result of the recommendation. At the heart,
> 
> > there is an innate human desire to be able to account for and explain
> 
> > everything around us, from weather to bacteria. My allegiance has always
> 
> > been to the ends and not the means"
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Yg penting sama-sama cua. . sama-sama belajarrr... . (saya jg
ini
> 
> > 2diem-diem coba-coba belajar ngertiin apa maksudnya istilah2 TA di
> 
> > postingan2 Pak DE Prof JT dan mas Boyz)
> 
> >
> 
> > 2009/9/3 boyz 
> 
> >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Mudah-2an dengan bimbingan serta ketulusan dari sharing para senior
dan
>

Re: [ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik arisugiarto . santoso

Pak Oen
Bgm dgn asri-w?any chance it will go up to the sky?

Thx

Sent from my BlackBerry®
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-Original Message-
From: "Oentoeng" 
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:43:35 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ferry Wachjudi  
wrote:
>
> 
> Mengapa berharap dgn MPPA-W???
> Boleh dijelaskan sedikit...thx

Jawabnya harus menyertakan kata sedikit?
Karena...
- Selisih mppa-w dg induk-nya sedikit...
- Sedang pegang mppa-w sedikit...
- Berharap mppa-w ke depan bisa naik sedikit..
Yah inilah sedikit alasan yg bisa saya berikan.
Hehehesedikit canda juga yah pak

> 
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 14:47 +, Oentoeng wrote:
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Robin Wijaya 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sekarang sudah mulai banyak warrant yg di exercise, spt: ASRI-W, 
> > > 
> > > SMRA-W,dll
> > > 
> > > Apakah untungnya emiten yg menerbitkan Warrant, apabila terjadi 
> > > 
> > > exercise, khan terjadi dilusi kepemilikan pemegang saham mayoritas ?
> > > 
> > > Bagaimana cara mengetahui emiten mana saja, yg berkeinginan
> > warrantnya 
> > > 
> > > di exercice spt: ASRI-W, SMRA-W dan tidak berkeinginan warrantnya
> > di 
> > > 
> > > exercice spt: YPAS-W, PNLF-W, dll
> > > 
> > 
> > Saat ini memang banyak warrant yg akan jatuh tempo (maturity date)
> > Banyak juga dg posisi "harga premi" artinya kalau ditebus "hasil
> > akhir"-nya jauh lbh tinggi drpd lgsg beli induknya...
> > 
> > Mestinya org beli warrant karena ada optimisme thd kinerja induknya...
> > Tapi bbrp saat lalu saya lihat ada analis mengeluarkan analisa TA
> > terhadap sebuah warrant...
> > Mungkin beliau lupa bahwa warrant tanpa didukung pergerakan induknya
> > tidak akan berarti apa2...
> > Alias tidak akan tahan lama...
> > 
> > Dari semua warrant yg msh ada saya berharap banyak thd pergerakan
> > elty-w dan mppa-w
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Kabu Nusi

BP, Exxon sees Coal to Liquid in 25 years (Biomass to Liquid first), Coal to Gas in 50 years numpang kompor.com :http://www.kaskus.us/showpost.php?p=120456338&postcount=100324--- On Sun, 10/4/09, It's Elaine! wrote:From: It's Elaine! Subject: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - HyperinflationTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:44 PM

#1 green energy and global warming issue, and coal is considered as dirty. But of course for now coal is king, but for how long?#2 it is. 2009/10/4 anrusing data

Very good El,
Mostly have the same sense with you, except:
Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
# Why do they use energy sources while coal is still cheap?
Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job.
# emang mau panas, sambel, terasi, tempe? (bad joke :) )
Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already betting in Asia ex Japan.
# wah, saingan ama prof JT and Hans donk... :)
2009/10/4 It's Elaine!

This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:

US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.

Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful) definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising prices are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we experience rising prices.

The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have excess supply from last year contract.
When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi (lolz)

Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..

USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter of a millisecond.

There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).

Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job.
Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to have children because of high unemployment.
Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already betting in Asia ex Japan.Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian Crisis, right? . I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!

There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
2009/10/4 yokorusi

http://unpublisheddream.blogspot.com/2009/10/nightmare-of-sang-raksasa.htmlBulan February 2009 yang lalu di dalam satu tulisan yang berjudul Worst Than Nothing atau Better Than Nothing? - saya sedikit mengulas mengenai esensi krisis keuangan yang bersumber dari keserakahan, kebejatan moral dan kebohongan terstruktur.

Tulisan kali inipun tidak jauh dari krisis keuangan di US dan tidak jauh pula dari keinginan saya menyatakan kembali bahwa ketiga hal tersebutlah yang telah dan akan terus membawa ekonomi US menyentuh titik terburuk dalam satu dekade mendatang bila pemerintah US dan sebagian besar ekonom US tidak melakukan koreksi kebijakan dan titik pandang pemulihan krisis secara segera. Titik terburuk tersebut a

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

*Artmoro implicitly just said he will jack up bumi tomorrow, so let's just
enjoy it. What a generous person he is. [?] *

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:50 PM, boyz®  wrote:

>
>
> You are so modest :)
> Thanks anyway for sharing and enrich us with macro view.
> Those should be helpful for them who analyze the market by 'top-down'
> approach.
> Keep sharing.
>
> Salam,
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:38 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *For day to day strategy, OB has JT, Tasrul, Embah, Boyz and Artomoro9
>> which should be more than enough to guide everyone here. I, like yokorusi,
>> only express our opinion from the macro side.
>>
>> I also understand that my investment strategy is not quite relevant to
>> retail traders so please forgive me for my limited knowledge.*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM, boyz®  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hahaha... You got me.
>>> Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :P
>>>
>>> Pls EL... tell me.
>>> At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation
>>> of their assets.
>>> Thanks. :)
>>>
>>> Salam,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
>>>


 *I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can
 somebody help?*



 On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for sharing, EL.
> I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
> What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's
> sovereign to anticipate that.
>
> From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
> institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
> where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*
> devaluation*'. (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
> Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Salam,
>
>
>
> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>
>>
>>
>> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
>> cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
>> *
>>
>>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US
>>is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>>
>>*
>>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more 
>> meaningful)
>>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
>> prices
>>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the 
>> inflation in
>>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an 
>> aftereffect we
>>experience rising prices.
>>
>>*
>>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they 
>> already
>>have excess supply from last year contract.
>>
>>*
>>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as 
>> well.
>>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form 
>> of
>>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>>including to Bumi (lolz)
>>
>>*
>>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of 
>> civil war
>>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). 
>> I
>>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>>
>>*
>>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global
>>money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is 
>> in
>>bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be 
>> created
>>in a matter of a millisecond.
>>
>>*
>>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
>>catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to 
>> dollar
>>shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange 
>> doesn't
>>get frozen).
>>
>>*
>>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>>
>>*
>>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs.
>>Our job.
>>
>>*
>>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses ar

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

You are so modest :)
Thanks anyway for sharing and enrich us with macro view.
Those should be helpful for them who analyze the market by 'top-down'
approach.
Keep sharing.

Salam,


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:38 PM, It's Elaine!  wrote:

>
>
> *For day to day strategy, OB has JT, Tasrul, Embah, Boyz and Artomoro9
> which should be more than enough to guide everyone here. I, like yokorusi,
> only express our opinion from the macro side.
>
> I also understand that my investment strategy is not quite relevant to
> retail traders so please forgive me for my limited knowledge.*
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM, boyz®  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hahaha... You got me.
>> Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :P
>>
>> Pls EL... tell me.
>> At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation of
>> their assets.
>> Thanks. :)
>>
>> Salam,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can somebody
>>> help?*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:
>>>


 Thanks for sharing, EL.
 I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
 What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign
 to anticipate that.

 From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
 institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
 where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*
 devaluation*'. (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
 Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?

 Thanks again.

 Salam,



 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 

>
>
> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
> cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
> *
>
>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US
>is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>
>*
>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more 
> meaningful)
>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
> prices
>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the 
> inflation in
>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect 
> we
>experience rising prices.
>
>*
>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they 
> already
>have excess supply from last year contract.
>
>*
>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as 
> well.
>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form 
> of
>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>including to Bumi (lolz)
>
>*
>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of 
> civil war
>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>
>*
>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global
>money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is 
> in
>bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be 
> created
>in a matter of a millisecond.
>
>*
>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
>catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar
>shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange 
> doesn't
>get frozen).
>
>*
>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>
>*
>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs.
>Our job.
>
>*
>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing
>to have children because of high unemployment.
>
>*
>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are
>already betting in Asia ex Japan.
>*
>
> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel
> free to discuss. No reason to be afra

[ob] C&O sees Indonesia coal purchases up 20 pct in 2010

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik artomoro9

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Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik artomoro9

berat amat topik nya malem ini. ane mau tidur ah. besok kerja berat ngusung KEJAYAAN  BUMI kembali.nite all. take a rest. C U 2morrow.regards,
A9
--- Pada Ming, 4/10/09, It's Elaine!  menulis:Dari: It's Elaine! Judul: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - HyperinflationKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTanggal: Minggu, 4 Oktober, 2009, 11:38 PM













For day to day strategy, OB has JT, Tasrul, Embah, Boyz and Artomoro9 which should be more than enough to guide everyone here. I, like yokorusi, only express our opinion from the macro side. I also understand that my investment strategy is not quite relevant to retail traders so please forgive me for my limited knowledge.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM, boyz®  wrote:






















Hahaha... You got me.Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :PPls EL... tell me.At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation of their assets.Thanks. :)Salam,


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine!  wrote:
























I cannot tell you on that one . I don't know the answer. Can somebody help?

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:






















Thanks for sharing, EL.I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses. What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign to anticipate that.From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management institutions that have the same thinking with yours, 





where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from 'devaluation'. (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?Thanks again.





Salam,2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 



























This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more expensive), less workers and raw materials needed.. A deadly spiral. 








Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful) definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising prices are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we experience rising prices..









The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have excess supply from last year contract.When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi (lolz)











Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China.. 










USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter of a millisecond. 











There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).











Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job. 










Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to have children because of high unemployment.Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already betting in Asia ex Japan.







Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian Crisis, right? . I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!







There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lo

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

*#1 green energy and global warming issue, and coal is considered as dirty.
But of course for now coal is king, but for how long?

#2 it is. *

2009/10/4 anrusing data 

>
>
> Very good El,
>
> Mostly have the same sense with you,  except:
>
> Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas
> will play major roles in 2010 forward.
> # Why do they use energy sources while coal is still cheap?
>
> Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job.
> # emang mau panas, sambel, terasi, tempe? (bad joke :) )
>
> Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already bettingin 
> Asia ex Japan.
> # wah, saingan ama prof JT and Hans donk... :)
>
>
>
> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>
>>
>>
>> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents,
>> or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
>> *
>>
>>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>>
>>*
>>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
>> prices
>>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation 
>> in
>>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>>experience rising prices.
>>
>>*
>>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already
>>have excess supply from last year contract.
>>
>>*
>>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well.
>>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of
>>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>>including to Bumi (lolz)
>>
>>*
>>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil 
>> war
>>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>>
>>*
>>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
>> notes
>>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a 
>> matter
>>of a millisecond.
>>
>>*
>>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe
>>for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say
>>Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).
>>
>>*
>>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>>
>>*
>>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>>job.
>>
>>*
>>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to
>>have children because of high unemployment.
>>
>>*
>>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>>*
>>
>> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free
>> to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
>> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most
>> of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
>> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
>> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>>
>> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
>> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
>> ***
>> 2009/10/4 yokorusi 
>>
>>>
>>> http://unpublisheddream.blogspot.com/2009/10/nightmare-of-sang-raksasa.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Bulan February 2009 yang lalu di dalam satu tulisan yang berjudul Worst
>>> Than Nothing atau Better Than Nothing? - saya sedikit mengulas mengenai
>>> esensi krisis keuangan yang bersumber dari keserakahan, kebejatan moral dan
>>> kebohongan terstruktur.
>>>
>>> Tulisan kali inipun tidak jauh dari krisis keuangan di US dan tidak jauh
>>> pula dari keinginan saya menyatakan kembali bahwa ketiga hal tersebutlah
>>> yang telah dan akan terus membawa ekonomi US menyentuh titik terburuk dalam
>>> satu dekade mendatang bila pemerintah US dan sebagian besar ekonom US tidak
>>> melakukan koreksi kebijakan dan titik pandang pemuliha

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

*For day to day strategy, OB has JT, Tasrul, Embah, Boyz and Artomoro9 which
should be more than enough to guide everyone here. I, like yokorusi, only
express our opinion from the macro side.

I also understand that my investment strategy is not quite relevant to
retail traders so please forgive me for my limited knowledge.*

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM, boyz®  wrote:

>
>
> Hahaha... You got me.
> Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :P
>
> Pls EL... tell me.
> At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation of
> their assets.
> Thanks. :)
>
> Salam,
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine! wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can somebody
>> help?*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, EL.
>>> I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
>>> What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign
>>> to anticipate that.
>>>
>>> From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
>>> institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
>>> where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*devaluation
>>> *'. (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
>>> Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Salam,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>>>


 *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
 cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
 *

- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.

*
- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
 prices
are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the 
 inflation in
the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect 
 we
experience rising prices.

*
- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they 
 already
have excess supply from last year contract.

*
- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well.
Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of
paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
including to Bumi (lolz)

*
- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil 
 war
and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..

*
- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
 notes
(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a 
 matter
of a millisecond.

*
- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar
shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange 
 doesn't
get frozen).

*
- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.

*
- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs.
Our job.

*
- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing
to have children because of high unemployment.

*
- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are
already betting in Asia ex Japan.
*

 *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free
 to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived 
 Asian
 Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect
 most of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
 opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this 
 is
 only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!

 There is no secr

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik anrusing data

Very good El,

Mostly have the same sense with you,  except:

Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas
will play major roles in 2010 forward.
# Why do they use energy sources while coal is still cheap?

Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job.
# emang mau panas, sambel, terasi, tempe? (bad joke :) )

Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
bettingin Asia ex Japan.
# wah, saingan ama prof JT and Hans donk... :)



2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 

>
>
> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents,
> or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
> *
>
>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>
>*
>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
> prices
>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in
>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>experience rising prices.
>
>*
>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the
>biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have
>excess supply from last year contract.
>
>*
>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since
>China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. 
> Basically
>they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so
>CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi
>(lolz)
>
>*
>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war
>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>
>*
>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
> notes
>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter
>of a millisecond.
>
>*
>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe
>for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say
>Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).
>
>*
>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>
>*
>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>job.
>
>*
>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to
>have children because of high unemployment.
>
>*
>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>*
>
> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to
> discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most
> of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>
> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
> ***
> 2009/10/4 yokorusi 
>
>>
>> http://unpublisheddream.blogspot.com/2009/10/nightmare-of-sang-raksasa.html
>>
>>
>> Bulan February 2009 yang lalu di dalam satu tulisan yang berjudul Worst
>> Than Nothing atau Better Than Nothing? - saya sedikit mengulas mengenai
>> esensi krisis keuangan yang bersumber dari keserakahan, kebejatan moral dan
>> kebohongan terstruktur.
>>
>> Tulisan kali inipun tidak jauh dari krisis keuangan di US dan tidak jauh
>> pula dari keinginan saya menyatakan kembali bahwa ketiga hal tersebutlah
>> yang telah dan akan terus membawa ekonomi US menyentuh titik terburuk dalam
>> satu dekade mendatang bila pemerintah US dan sebagian besar ekonom US tidak
>> melakukan koreksi kebijakan dan titik pandang pemulihan krisis secara
>> segera. Titik terburuk tersebut adalah malapetaka hyperinflation.
>>
>> Hyperinflation? Satu hipotesa yang saat ini masih dianggap kecil
>> kemungkinan (atau bahkan tidak mungkin) terjadi oleh sebagian besar ekonom.
>> Saya sendiri termasuk satu dari kelompok yang beranggapan bahwwa poten

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

Hahaha... You got me.
Awas ya, gw cubit kalo nanti ketemu :P

Pls EL... tell me.
At least, tell me what are their strategies to minimize the devaluation of
their assets.
Thanks. :)

Salam,


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, It's Elaine!  wrote:

>
>
> *I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can somebody
> help?*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, EL.
>> I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
>> What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign
>> to anticipate that.
>>
>> From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
>> institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
>> where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*devaluation*'.
>> (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
>> Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Salam,
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2
>>> cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
>>> *
>>>
>>>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>>>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>>>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>>>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>>>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>>>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>>>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
>>> prices
>>>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation 
>>> in
>>>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>>>experience rising prices.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>>>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already
>>>have excess supply from last year contract.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>>>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well.
>>>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of
>>>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>>>including to Bumi (lolz)
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>>>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil 
>>> war
>>>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>>>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>>>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
>>> notes
>>>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a 
>>> matter
>>>of a millisecond.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major
>>>catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar
>>>shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange 
>>> doesn't
>>>get frozen).
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>>>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>>>job.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing
>>>to have children because of high unemployment.
>>>
>>>*
>>>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>>>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>>>*
>>>
>>> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free
>>> to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
>>> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect
>>> most of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
>>> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
>>> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>>>
>>> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
>>> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
>>> *
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik agung aja

Its simple miss, when the world economy had been in difficult situation, US will create new economic system that is reset all company Balance Sheet, or create an extrem policy that US gov should create "new US $", 10 $ become 1 $, thats only the way out from the crisis, US $ index has fallen for ever since, then the world should has a new currency, especially Asia should have one, like euro in Europe, so that the world doesn't need to depend on US $, I agree with you that china still convert their US $ into commodities since they've seen US $ index become lower lowone big question : what if the world has a new currency, will it be euro or renmimbi or the other ???let see the next story of the new world economy, time will tellcmiiwregardsFrom: It's Elaine! To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, October 4, 2009 10:42:02 PMSubject: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation





 


  I had a high expectation on the stimulus programs around the world, but seems they don't work the way I expected. I dunno what to say, but at least we had our 1400pts rally, didnt we? Thank God we had.If you have different opinion, please share.
2009/10/4 Thomas Frederick 





























So, you mean the bull until 2012 canceled el??From:  "It's Elaine!" 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:52:41 +0700To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation
 


  This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents, or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral. 



Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful) definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising prices are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we experience rising prices.




The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have excess supply from last year contract.When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi (lolz)






Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China.. 





USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money) for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank notes (paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter of a millisecond. 






There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).






Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our job. 





Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to have children because of high unemployment.Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already betting in Asia ex Japan.


Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian Crisis, right? . I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!


There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..2009/10/4 yokorusi 







http://unpublishedd ream.blogspot. com/2009/ 10/nightmare- of-sang-raksasa. html


Bulan February 2009 yang lalu di dalam satu tulisan yang berjudul Worst Than Nothing atau Better Than Nothing? - saya sedikit mengulas mengenai esensi krisis keuangan yang bersumber dari keserakahan, kebejatan moral dan kebohongan terstruktur.

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

*I cannot tell you on that one [?]. I don't know the answer. Can somebody
help?*


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz®  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for sharing, EL.
> I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
> What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign to
> anticipate that.
>
> From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
> institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
> where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*devaluation*'.
> (USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
> Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Salam,
>
>
>
> 2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 
>
>>
>>
>> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents,
>> or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
>> *
>>
>>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>>
>>*
>>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
>> prices
>>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation 
>> in
>>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>>experience rising prices.
>>
>>*
>>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan
>>(the biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already
>>have excess supply from last year contract.
>>
>>*
>>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency.
>>Since China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well.
>>Basically they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of
>>paper), so CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper,
>>including to Bumi (lolz)
>>
>>*
>>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil 
>> war
>>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>>
>>*
>>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
>> notes
>>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a 
>> matter
>>of a millisecond.
>>
>>*
>>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe
>>for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say
>>Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).
>>
>>*
>>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>>
>>*
>>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>>job.
>>
>>*
>>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to
>>have children because of high unemployment.
>>
>>*
>>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>>*
>>
>> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free
>> to discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
>> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most
>> of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
>> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
>> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>>
>> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
>> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
>> *
>>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik JT

Ooo., maksudnya jebol kebawah.., hmm, itu level kritis, bisa jadi BD takut
longsor dan susah ngangkatnya lagi., atau bisa jadi BD juga takut kalau
sampe jebol akan mengundang value seeker untuk masuk., hehe

 

JT

 

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of I_R_G_7_I
Sent: 04 Oktober 2009 22:36
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: INCO - RE: [ob] Re: Tins

 



Maksud ane, minta close di bawah 4.125 kaga dikasih kasih ...
BD nya ngerti TA juga kali nya..takut longsor kebawah ...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:29 PM, JT  wrote:

  

Bisaaa., tuh trading range dah kebentuk.. Bolak-balik dulu dah disitu.

 

JT

Re: [ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik JsxSniper

Tolong sy sedikit jg deh pa.. Heheehe..., mengenai target IDX dr pa oen.. 
- One Shoot One Kill -

-Original Message-
From: "Oentoeng" 
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:43:35 
To: 
Subject: [ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ferry Wachjudi  
wrote:
>
> 
> Mengapa berharap dgn MPPA-W???
> Boleh dijelaskan sedikit...thx

Jawabnya harus menyertakan kata sedikit?
Karena...
- Selisih mppa-w dg induk-nya sedikit...
- Sedang pegang mppa-w sedikit...
- Berharap mppa-w ke depan bisa naik sedikit..
Yah inilah sedikit alasan yg bisa saya berikan.
Hehehesedikit canda juga yah pak

> 
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 14:47 +, Oentoeng wrote:
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Robin Wijaya 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sekarang sudah mulai banyak warrant yg di exercise, spt: ASRI-W, 
> > > 
> > > SMRA-W,dll
> > > 
> > > Apakah untungnya emiten yg menerbitkan Warrant, apabila terjadi 
> > > 
> > > exercise, khan terjadi dilusi kepemilikan pemegang saham mayoritas ?
> > > 
> > > Bagaimana cara mengetahui emiten mana saja, yg berkeinginan
> > warrantnya 
> > > 
> > > di exercice spt: ASRI-W, SMRA-W dan tidak berkeinginan warrantnya
> > di 
> > > 
> > > exercice spt: YPAS-W, PNLF-W, dll
> > > 
> > 
> > Saat ini memang banyak warrant yg akan jatuh tempo (maturity date)
> > Banyak juga dg posisi "harga premi" artinya kalau ditebus "hasil
> > akhir"-nya jauh lbh tinggi drpd lgsg beli induknya...
> > 
> > Mestinya org beli warrant karena ada optimisme thd kinerja induknya...
> > Tapi bbrp saat lalu saya lihat ada analis mengeluarkan analisa TA
> > terhadap sebuah warrant...
> > Mungkin beliau lupa bahwa warrant tanpa didukung pergerakan induknya
> > tidak akan berarti apa2...
> > Alias tidak akan tahan lama...
> > 
> > Dari semua warrant yg msh ada saya berharap banyak thd pergerakan
> > elty-w dan mppa-w
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Ferry Wachjudi

Terima kasih Pak Oen atas sharenya walaupun cuma sedikit :)

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 15:43 +, Oentoeng wrote:
>   
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ferry Wachjudi
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Mengapa berharap dgn MPPA-W???
> > Boleh dijelaskan sedikit...thx
> 
> Jawabnya harus menyertakan kata sedikit?
> Karena...
> - Selisih mppa-w dg induk-nya sedikit...
> - Sedang pegang mppa-w sedikit...
> - Berharap mppa-w ke depan bisa naik sedikit..
> Yah inilah sedikit alasan yg bisa saya berikan.
> Hehehesedikit canda juga yah pak
> 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 14:47 +, Oentoeng wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Robin Wijaya
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sekarang sudah mulai banyak warrant yg di exercise, spt:
> ASRI-W, 
> > > > 
> > > > SMRA-W,dll
> > > > 
> > > > Apakah untungnya emiten yg menerbitkan Warrant, apabila terjadi 
> > > > 
> > > > exercise, khan terjadi dilusi kepemilikan pemegang saham
> mayoritas ?
> > > > 
> > > > Bagaimana cara mengetahui emiten mana saja, yg berkeinginan
> > > warrantnya 
> > > > 
> > > > di exercice spt: ASRI-W, SMRA-W dan tidak berkeinginan
> warrantnya
> > > di 
> > > > 
> > > > exercice spt: YPAS-W, PNLF-W, dll
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Saat ini memang banyak warrant yg akan jatuh tempo (maturity date)
> > > Banyak juga dg posisi "harga premi" artinya kalau ditebus "hasil
> > > akhir"-nya jauh lbh tinggi drpd lgsg beli induknya...
> > > 
> > > Mestinya org beli warrant karena ada optimisme thd kinerja
> induknya...
> > > Tapi bbrp saat lalu saya lihat ada analis mengeluarkan analisa TA
> > > terhadap sebuah warrant...
> > > Mungkin beliau lupa bahwa warrant tanpa didukung pergerakan
> induknya
> > > tidak akan berarti apa2...
> > > Alias tidak akan tahan lama...
> > > 
> > > Dari semua warrant yg msh ada saya berharap banyak thd pergerakan
> > > elty-w dan mppa-w
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

[ob] Re: Mohon Penjelasan/diskusi ttg Warrant

2009-10-04 Terurut Topik Oentoeng



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ferry Wachjudi  
wrote:
>
> 
> Mengapa berharap dgn MPPA-W???
> Boleh dijelaskan sedikit...thx

Jawabnya harus menyertakan kata sedikit?
Karena...
- Selisih mppa-w dg induk-nya sedikit...
- Sedang pegang mppa-w sedikit...
- Berharap mppa-w ke depan bisa naik sedikit..
Yah inilah sedikit alasan yg bisa saya berikan.
Hehehesedikit canda juga yah pak

> 
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 14:47 +, Oentoeng wrote:
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Robin Wijaya 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sekarang sudah mulai banyak warrant yg di exercise, spt: ASRI-W, 
> > > 
> > > SMRA-W,dll
> > > 
> > > Apakah untungnya emiten yg menerbitkan Warrant, apabila terjadi 
> > > 
> > > exercise, khan terjadi dilusi kepemilikan pemegang saham mayoritas ?
> > > 
> > > Bagaimana cara mengetahui emiten mana saja, yg berkeinginan
> > warrantnya 
> > > 
> > > di exercice spt: ASRI-W, SMRA-W dan tidak berkeinginan warrantnya
> > di 
> > > 
> > > exercice spt: YPAS-W, PNLF-W, dll
> > > 
> > 
> > Saat ini memang banyak warrant yg akan jatuh tempo (maturity date)
> > Banyak juga dg posisi "harga premi" artinya kalau ditebus "hasil
> > akhir"-nya jauh lbh tinggi drpd lgsg beli induknya...
> > 
> > Mestinya org beli warrant karena ada optimisme thd kinerja induknya...
> > Tapi bbrp saat lalu saya lihat ada analis mengeluarkan analisa TA
> > terhadap sebuah warrant...
> > Mungkin beliau lupa bahwa warrant tanpa didukung pergerakan induknya
> > tidak akan berarti apa2...
> > Alias tidak akan tahan lama...
> > 
> > Dari semua warrant yg msh ada saya berharap banyak thd pergerakan
> > elty-w dan mppa-w
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation

Thanks for sharing, EL.
I don't think it is secret agenda. Like you said, just common senses.
What will become secret agenda is the maneuver of the market's sovereign to
anticipate that.

>From your perspectives, if you think there's asset/fund management
institutions that have the same thinking with yours,
where would they put their assets(funds) to secure it from '*devaluation*'.
(USD devaluated against major currencies, right?)
Commodities? Gold? Bonds? Sharia Bonds? Emerging Market Equities?

Thanks again.

Salam,



2009/10/4 It's Elaine! 

>
>
> *This is a very bearish post you got there mate! Well, here's my 2 cents,
> or should we call it, the GREAT AGENDA (ha ha whatever) for 2010:
> *
>
>- *US dollar is losing its value, price goes up, but since the US is
>the biggest consumers for now, inflation will make them lose their
>purchasing power thus the demand will be weak (as imports get more
>expensive), less workers and raw materials needed. A deadly spiral.
>
>*
>- *Keep in mind that we must be careful to operate from the best
>definition of inflation. Though it is commonly thought of as 'rising
>prices', I prefer the more traditional (and ultimately, more meaningful)
>definition: 'an increase in the quantity of money and credit'. Rising 
> prices
>are simply one of the effects of inflation; first you have the inflation in
>the form of an increase in money and credit and then as an aftereffect we
>experience rising prices.
>
>*
>- *The demand for coal from China (the biggest consumer) and Japan (the
>biggest importer) are expected to be lower next year as they already have
>excess supply from last year contract.
>
>*
>- *When we talk about inflation, we really mean (cheap) currency. Since
>China holds the most USD today it means they're in danger as well. 
> Basically
>they're holding worthless paper. (It's not even in the form of paper), so
>CIC goes around the world to spread this worthless paper, including to Bumi
>(lolz)
>
>*
>- *Igor Panarin, a Russian economic professor, predicted that the
>United States of America may disintegrate in late 2010 because of civil war
>and social unrest (like what happened in Indonesia eleven years ago). I
>kinda agree with this guy. People's States of China..
>
>*
>- *USD collapses and replaced by SDR (or other form of global money)
>for international trade. You know, currently only 4% of USD is in bank 
> notes
>(paper), the rest (96%) is electronic money. USD can be created in a matter
>of a millisecond.
>
>*
>- *There will be possibly the biggest (and the last) major catastrophe
>for stock market around the globe in 2010, thanks to dollar shock. I'd say
>Buy On Weakness (that is if the global stock exchange doesn't get frozen).
>
>*
>- *Alternative energy sources such as biomass, solar, nuclear and
>natural gas will play major roles in 2010 forward.
>
>*
>- *Asia will be flooded with Americans that are looking for jobs. Our
>job.
>
>*
>- *Japan will have population crisis. Japaneses are simply refusing to
>have children because of high unemployment.
>
>*
>- *Many high profile hedge fund like Templeton and Mobius are already
>betting in Asia ex Japan.
>*
>
> *Well, it's not really an agenda, just common sense so please feel free to
> discuss. No reason to be afraid though as I know Indonesia survived Asian
> Crisis, right? [?]. I know, sometimes I made crazy thinking. I expect most
> of you will not agree with me (as usual), but please kindly share your
> opinion too. After all these mess, everything will start over again, this is
> only a lifecycle. We are so lucky to witness this epic turnaround. Woohoo!!
>
> There is no secret agenda, all we have to do is open our mind and think
> outside the box. Macro economy is not a science, it's an art. lolz..
> *
>
<<330.gif>>

Re: [ob] The Nightmare of Sang Raksasa - Hyperinflation