Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TA will take control TODAY
Luar biasa Kang Ocoy memang pakar valuasi... I can really learn a lot from you.. Valuasi kang ocoy juga yang saya pakai (secara asal) untuk memilih antm over bumi seminggu yang lalu. Tapi memang kalo bozz2 kaya om AB dah turun tangan valuasi bisa di putar balik, n saya ga mau melawan pasar deh, akhirnya saya split porto antm sebagian ke bumi. Even so, tetep saya selalu berpegang ke valuasinya Kang Ocoy untuk jadi fundamen untuk asumsi waktu bikin garisan2 (asal2an) saya. Thanks for the very useful worksheet, Bejo On 1/29/08, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iya kalo gunta-ganti elemen kaya gitu bisa jadi justifikasi.. analis di sell-side biasanya gitu.. mo downgrade, kecilin estimate earning, perbesar dicount factor trus kurangin growth.. sebaliknya kalo mo upgrade harga tinggal naekkin estimate earning, turunin discount factor trus perbesar growth... hanya dr model yg saya berikan minimal kita bisa men-tes diri kita sendiri... andaikan saya investor beli saham xxx di harga xxx, berapa laba dan pertumbuhan serta resiko yg masih menopang harga di pasar ini melindungi kita dr kesimpang-siuran keputusan investasi... masalah mahal ato engga kan selera masing2 (saya misalnya cuman berani perkirain earning bumi sekian, bapak berani en yakin masih realistis untuk dinaikkan setengah lagi, ato malah diturunkan. itu kan pandangan masing2...) cuman kan serelatif2nya ada yg namanya batasan-rasional... saya berani 100 bapak berani 150 masih relatif pak... tp kalo tingkat harga wajar saat ini mensyaratkan minimal 300 mah serelatif2nya juga jatohnya KEMAHALAN itu mah, pake 100 mahal pake 150 jg mahal... soalnya pertanyaan2 semacam ini kan tergantung keyakinan masing2 : Bisa gAK Earning tahun kmrn berulang?? minimal 0.7 kalinya... utk BUMI agak berat krn tahun kmaren ada one-time earning dan kini share BUMI atas KPC n AI berkurang 30%. Bisa Gak ANTM en INCO ngulang pendapatan tahun kemaren?? nah volume sih mungkin ga masalah tp apa harga jual rata2 tahun kmaren bisa bertahan... nah ilustrasinya kaya gitu... model diworksheet saya didasarkan pada modifikasi gordon model... dasarnya adalah model gordon standar memiliki kelemahan fatal bahwa asumsi growth yg dipakai disitu adalah (RR*Roe), ini sama aja mengasumsikan berapapun RETAINED EARNING DICADANGKAN UNTUK MODAL KERJA, SELINIER ITUPUN EFEK CADANGAN MODAL ITU TERHADAP pendapatan perusahaan, padahal engga semua tergantung 2 hal paling engga : apakah memang ada ruang untuk memanfaatkan modal kerja itu?? contoh : TLKM Retention lumayan, kas jg banyak, ROE tinggi... tapi apakah setiap rupiah yg dicadangkan bisa dimanfaatkan menjadi investasi yg baik?? belum tentu, apakah memang ada ruangnya (ekspansi di suatu perusahaan ga bisa dilakukan kecuali demandnya emang ada), katakanlah jika semua orang di indonesia sudah pake telepon.. telkom masih bisa ekspansi jikapun Retained earningnya 100%??... kan ga gitu pak yah... terus faktor kedua, apakah manajemen sanggup meng-execute retain earning itu dengan baik?? nah misalkan manajemen gembar gembor mo akuisisi perusahaan, gataunya boro2 untung, udah mah akuisisinya di harga premium, eh perusahaannya merugi lagi... nah hal-hal kaya gitu kan tergantung kehebatan manajemen... ini masalah apakah perusahaan punya visibility dan track-record economic value added creation apa engga... nah, standard DDM itu flaw nya banyak maka saya modifikasi sdikit ; base value saya pake formula ((ROE/15%)^2) * Book Value) + (Div * 10) atau disingkat asset accumulated value + dividend value saya membagi ROE perusahaan dibagi 15% karena 15% itu standar ROE perusahaan, perusahaan yg bisa menghasilkan ROE diatas 15% mendapatkan premium sebanding, lalu dipangkatkan 2 untuk mendapatkan efek akumulasi terhadap kehandalan Aset perusahaan itu pada jangka panjang. kemudian itu dikali net-asset(book value)... lalu saya tambah dengan dividen dikali 10... (asumsi horizon model ini 10 tahun) kemudian utk investment value saya menggunakan pendekatan owner earning Warren Buffet yg dikombinasikan sama pendekatan aset atau BV.. formulanya ((ROE/15) * BV) + (Earning/(CoE - Individual Growth rate)) atau singkatnya asset value + earning power value asumsi disini adalah semua earning asumsinya distributable(baik dibagi dividen ato engga, toh cuman pindah tangan doank), sehingga efek akumulasi book value diwakilkan pada earning power value sehingga pangkat di aset value dihilangkan., nah untuk earningnya diasumsikan semua earning distributable, dibagi dengan CoE sesuai tingkat resiko yg dikurang individual growth rate. nah individual growth rate ini adalah pertumbuhan organik laba tanpa tambahan model kerja / capex tadi. karena diasumsikan semua earning sudah didistribusikan. maka pertumbuhan yg dihitung hanya pertumbuhan organik added value jangka panjangnya saja. wujud pertumbuhan organik ini biasanya tren ekspansi margin keuntungan perusahaan pd jangka
[obrolan-bandar] Dow Fut n Eropa JEBLOS - false rebound?
8.51 pm Index Futures ngeri range dah -2 sampe -4%an http://finance.yahoo.com/indices?e=futures Eropa ga mo kalah, FTSE dah -3.68% I hope mbah is right, i.e. yesterday's low is this months low. Tapi di tengah ketidakpastian n keraguan pasar akan ketahanan ekonomi AS, saya dah buang semua tadi after lunch, gain ga maksimal tp blajar safety first. Sperti Pak Oentoeng bilang, this is the end of the beginning. Saya cuma berpikiran this could be the end of the beginning. So saya masih berpegang pada prinsip sendiri, opportunity loss is better than loss.. JR
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ilmu THAIPAK.....Re: Analisa DE: Belanja APA dan KAPAN
HUahahahaha, Saya mo blajar deh asal bisa tau kapan next crash.. JR 2008/1/24 Khongchakim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Waduh…. Ilmu Mbah lebih hebat dech… Mbah bisa memprediksi jauh2 hari kedepan… Kalau ilmu saya ini cetek.. dan ga boleh pakai emosi… Kalau Mbah percaya sama ilmu THAIPAK… Coba dulu rapal mantera nya.. NAMO SAMANTO MOTONOM, OM TURU TURU TIWEI SOHA Itu buat awalnya aja, itupun kalau percaya ya … hihihi… Salam, Khong -- *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *jsx_consultant *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:08 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Ilmu THAIPAK.Re: Analisa DE: Belanja APA dan KAPAN --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Khongchakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahaha. ga diminta pun uda dikasi pencerahan. Salut untuk Mbah. klo wa sih pake ilmu THAIPAK.. Hehehe. Menarik NIH... Bisa engga tolong diceritain dikit tentang ilmu THAIPAK ini dan penerapannya untuk trading ?. Thanks...
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: REBOUND
Mbah, You're the man :) 2008/1/22 jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Cumi Goreng Tepung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apakah MBAH = BOZZ ? Jawabannya YES BANGET, yaitu kuncen milis OB...hehehe... On 1/22/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Utk kedua kalinya Mbah meramalkan rebound pasar (tadi sore sdh ngasih komando Serbu!) dan Fed nyatanya menurunkan Fed rate 75 bps mirip kejadian 16 Agustus lalu. Feeling Mbah jitu dan utk kedua kalinya bisa saya tanyakan ke Mbah, Mbah ini benar2 malaikat yah? Mungkin tidak, tapi anda memang hebat Mbah! Hendra Susanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EMERGENCY RATE CUT by 75 bps.. BSK HEAVY REBOUND - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
[obrolan-bandar] Dow 1st session Green!
Promissing High tide for JSX's first session, lucky for those buying at bottom price yesterday, I think jsx surfers could ride the morning tide but lets not forget to sell for second session could be deep red.. just a thought, JR
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa persen IHSG turun besok?
Regional start Ijo, smalam Dow midday ijo tutup merah, hari ini BEI gap up n mungkin sore nyungsep hehe JR On 1/17/08, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ^IXIC Nasdaq Composite: -0.95%. Yang -2.3% itu ^NIN pak, NYSE International. Btw, TLK tutup -3.61% di NYSE Regards, DE On Jan 16, 2008 10:52 PM, Hendra Susanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NASDAQ -2,3%.. bsk IHSG calon -5% lagi neh.. 2400 masih support kuat IHSG .. kalo 2400 jebol baru mulai panik .. tp kalo kuat siap2 aja terbang lagi ke langit2 ketujuh ;pp
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: -3% for today?
Now this I like! Though my last weeks profit is gone now, but I'm ready to welcome 2400 or better yet, 1600 On 1/16/08, oentoeng_qq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for guidance... Hari ini adalah penurunan TERDALAM untuk minggu ini. Tapi jangan harap ada rebound yg SIGNIFIKAN dlm wkt dekat, minim sampe Jum'at. Now,...let's fight...or sitting beautiful like Tukul said. Good Luck! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Today IHSG can get down to -3%. What a mess. 2400 in 3 days? -15% in 2 weeks? LOL why not.. seems lots haven't sell their portos.. Shut up, Elaine, you're talking bullshit I agree with Elaine, bring it ON Some wants IHSG to go bullish all the time. Some wants to have at cheapest price possible. There're always two sides of the story. Oh, this'd be the last day for CPO and other plantation stocks glory. TAKE PROFIT, that if you have any :) Just like Oentoeng said, there will be another entry point. EL *
Re: [obrolan-bandar] welcome back Indonesia
Heheheh, If BEI suffers the largest, then be prepared for the largest rebound! On 1/16/08, exindo_trade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setelah sekian lama kehilangan jati diri, akhirnya BEJ kembali pada kodratnya. Kalo minus, harus yg terbesar. Hidup BEJ!!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Blood of vengeance
Heheh totally agree Compared to the real BOZZ, she (he) is no more than office boy, just doing what (she) he is told to, distract ob members... On 1/16/08, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maksudnya disuruh jualan diri di milis kali pakai gambar2 yg nggak puguh ... biasa man like to be teased On 1/16/08, exindo_trade [EMAIL PROTECTED]exindo_trade%40yahoo.com wrote: selain komplain dan provoke, emang bisa apa lagi ya? kalo action kan gak di sini, tapi di broker masing-masing. Bingung dan makin bingung saya. hahahahahahaha --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *What*ever*.. all you can do is complain.. and provoke.. If that's really what you want, then so be it. Come on, show me what YOU can do.. sissy boy... EL * 2008/1/16 James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kl minta emang bisa kabulin nggak nih, kl nggak bisa penuhi yah percuma. OMDO ...
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Inilah pilihanku!
How bout short term kang? Say 3 months. I have faith in Agri sector, but the others have gone a lot, i.e, AALI and LSIP, so UNSP and/or TBLA should still be highly collectible? Howbout short term star for mining sector? On 1/11/08, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kalo mid-term sih pilih yg earning growthnya nyata dan solid, ato yg valuasinya murah... BBRI,SMGR,BLTA,TLKM... Kalo kuda hitamnya (spekulatifnya) saya jg suka MEDC, hehe rasio dan eps jelek.. tp kartu as simpenanya banyak... Senoro apalagi tuh... tp masih lama jg.. tp diluar senoro katalis medc tahun 2008 banyak yg bakal implied soalnya... kalo plantation buat mid-term saya unsp... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kang. 500 bio kecil? wah wah wah kelas berat nih si Akang. :) Wew.. Anyway, Kang, boleh banget tuh disharing, kalau untuk *hold mid term*, let's say 6-12 mo, kira-kira Kang Ocoy pilih apa? Bebas pick nya. Mid term pick saya adalah: BUMI TINS MEDC LSIP, target terserah market aja. Note: Embah = jsx-consultant = moderator = penggemar JLo. Hehe.. Thanks a lot, Kang Ocoy. Ditunggu replynya Regards, DE On Jan 11, 2008 10:33 AM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im not a leader nor a big player big bro dean, apa sih arti 500 bio... disini perseorangan yg maennya trilyunan lebih banyak, lagipula stance saya defensif, nunggu... baru gerak kalo udah masuk margin of safety... tp kalo ikutan milih boleh deh... Cuman Boleh Satu ya Dean, dua ga boleh ya hehe??.. tp lock-up 5 tahun ya... a. - AALI, strongest cashflow.. relatively fair-valued... dengan cashflow sebanyak itu... tarohlah 2 tahun ini hard-time in economy, plenty of cashflow bisa jamin dividen dan kelangsungan perusahaan... rata2 plantationnya yg sudah tua juga secara sistematis bisa diregenerasi karena jumlah cashflow yg very very sufficient di tangan... b. - ANTM, jangan tanya kenapa.. soalnya lock-upnya 5 tahun... but i definetely not buying it on current price.. cuman karena rulenya 5 tahun dengan terpaksa ANTM over INCO deh... c. -PTBA, same reason dgn B... 5 tahun lock-up. all growth story is implied. the unlocking factor sudah cashflow generating or atleast have the good visibility degree of revenue recogniton.(railway, newport,power plant, CBM) d. -ELTY, simply because its the best among the list. but i dont like property. e. -BBNI, all we need is a simple and turnaround on the management side.. 5 tahun harusnya jangka waktu yg cukuplah buat dapetin tim manajemen yg bagus dan didukung seluruh karyawan. f. -TLKM, definitely. thos cashpile in hand give the management enough ammo to handle the competition... g. -UNVR, the divident yield and the stability. h. -PGAS, for the same reason as everybody else i guess.. haha... note that the above pick is only apply if the game is pick and lock for 5 years span... tp kalo permainanya adalah performa setahun ato dua tahun ato malah 6 bulan.., picknya beda jauh sama yg diatas... Mbah,... Mbah apa nih??...
[obrolan-bandar] ENRG
Nobody pays attention to ENRG, 3 factors: 1. With oil price hike, big brother already rise, ENRG is yet to follow. 2. Its being consolidated. 3. Long Ascending triangle pattern. Conclusion? JR
Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again..
Old trick, Elaine comes with bad news, IHSG may go down but it will not be anything like nuke, new years firecrackers at best. ELAINE = Diversion, Watch major rebound from sleeping stocks like Antm Just a thought. JRA On 12/31/07, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have to prove anything, right? And don't challenge me. Any smart investor here would know that IHSG performance lately is very ABNORMAL. Out of sync. The biggest cap in BEI is downed *-20%* from its highest. Once called the safest stock, this DEFENSIVE one I'm talking about here is not playing defense anymore. Once the defense is breached, things will get ugly. Other defensive stocks WILL follow. Thanks to new IPOs and BUMI/ANTM race, the IHSG is saved until the closing bell of 2007. It has NEVER been like this before, so you might not be prepared. If there weren't any race, IHSG would be 2400,.. or worse. Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector *would defend *the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet. Btw, I create statements. YOU are the one who were overreacting. :) If you believe in your stocks, *hold'em tight*, or you may want to stay away. Whether you want to hold or sell, it's not my business. I am not evil. I don't like bears either, but I'd be the first to warn. You'll be glad if I am around, than hearing sweet lies... *EL **Thanks Embah for allowing me to be here again.** * On Dec 31, 2007 7:55 AM, Wong Effendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EL, last time u want to bring index to 2400 but never happen. Now it's ur last chance to prove u right. Now or never. - Original Message From: Bandar Sedang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened .now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Index Vs Jumlah Postingan
Shares trading is funny, the one guy sells and the other guy buys, and they both think they're smart.. On 12/17/07, Mas Anto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha..haha kalau begitu gw mau nambah-nambahin postingan, meskipun OOT. Saya punya cerita (bukan orisinil, sdh saya modifikasi, cerita aslinya saya sdh lupa siapa yang menulis). Pada suatu hari, seorang investor sedang liburan ke desa kecil, tibalah saatnya dia harus naik perahu untuk menyeberangi sungai yang cukup lebar. Diatas perahu, terjadilah percakapan sbb: Investor: Maaf Pak, Bapak tahu mengenai saham tidak? Tukang Perahu: Tahu Pak, waktu itu saya jual sawah trus saya belikan saham. Investor: Wah Bapak termasuk orang yang berani, Bapak tahu TA? Tukang Perahau: Tidak Pak. Investor: Wah kalau begitu Bapak bisa rugi 30%, kalau FA? Tukang Perahau: Tidak juga Pak. Investor: Wah kalau begitu Bapak bisa rugi 30%, kalau BA? Tukang Perahau: Tidak juga Pak. Investor: Wah kalau begitu Bapak bisa rugi 30%, Ya..kalau begitu berdoa saja, mudah-mudahan dengan kesempatan 10%, saham Bapak akan terus berkembang. Gantian Tukang Perahu yang mengajukan pertanyaan. Tukang Perahu: Maaf Pak, apakah Bapak bisa berenang? Investor:Tidak bisa, memangnya kenapa? Tukang Perahu:Kalau begitu kemungkinan 90% Bapak akan kehilangan seluruh saham dan seluruh harta Bapak, sebaiknya Bapak berdoa saja, mudah-mudahan Bapak bisa selamat dari banjir yang akan segera datang. rgds anto On Dec 17, 2007 2:36 PM, Color Of Universe [EMAIL PROTECTED]colorofuniverse%40gmail.com wrote: Jumlah posting di OB berkorelasi positip dengan IHSG. So, keep posting! Save the IHSG! Kekekekek.
[obrolan-bandar] CS BK racing for BUMI
CS BK are racing to buy BUMI today so as not to miss oil hike. PTBA now well over double BUMI price, whereas BUMI was once 70% of PTBA price. With a fraction of 50 to 5000, every price movement is 1%, so the increase will be hefty. Just a thought,
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TLKM : BUY / HOLD = BUY! (ON ELAINE, LCY, DE, and JSX)
*On Elaine* I'm convinced (and I'm sure Mbah agree) Elaine is one hundred per cent BOZZ's mysterious hand (among His many other). 1st appearance to make precise prediction, i.e., 2% drop. No one listens so Bozz plan to drop is not interupted. Then her (I'm also 100% sure elaine is a man, but like the idea of it being a female) prediction is proven, people shocked, and started believing her. Then, make false predictions i.e. drop nuke (while I watch nudes on youtube) and scare people off by also referring to LCY's prediction (but of course not our beloved Mbah and many other bandarmologist in this group) so that Bozz's plan goes smooth uninterupted. And then BOOOM, here comes 2700, most of its gain being in Bozz's hand due to the UNBELIEVERS wetting their pants off and CL. *On LCY* ANother exact predictions of Elaine is watch LCY will dissapear indeed. He's been out for few intruiging days, which proofs elaine is right for few days too, coz I'm convinced LCY will be back soon. But why would Elaine makes prediction on LCY dissapearance? NO REASON! other than of course, they know each other, and Elaine knows LCY will not appear for a while. But why predict JCI 2000 and most blue chips shares fall on average 30%? LCY has been right many times, but sometimes he did not explain his reasoning, including, and especially, that JCI go 2000. SOOO, LCY could be on BOZZ side at least on OCtober. I'm confident LCY has inside relation to BOZZ, but how close and on whose side? what do you think mbah? *On DE* DE is not LCY and not Elaine, DE is DE, a good man close to a part of the BOZZ(es) and giving us all invaluable knowledge, while every once in a while making profits (possibly on others expense) (Hey, business is business). That's why attacks come to DE. *On JSX* BOZZ is GOD, to JSX. So JSX is las vegas to its players. Why? If BOZZ wants to, JSX could go to 2000 (as LCY predict) anytime given any negative momentum, without any TA or FA could predict, except afterwards. How? because BOZZ can. In JSX, BOZZ can say, KUN FAYAKUN!!! What it wants, happens, though not 100% precise. Todays JCI is a very easy example. TLKM could be a difficult one, but look, just like Mbah said, drop TLKM, then issue negative news, and vice versa, make it look so real. So bearing that unpredictable possibility, how does JSX not a gamble? Here is how. Indonesia's economy is a growing a company, with some prominent financial institutions predicting Indonesia to be 6th or at least top ten Economic Power in 2050, and JSX being an attractive emerging market with good fundamental. BOZZ wants profit. So things go in line. JSX trend is up. BOZZ will not make too crazy KUN, take TLKM down to less than 9.000 for example, as BOZZ don't want JSX to be TOOO MUCH OF A GAMBLING and make it disfunctional or scare real investors away. BOZZ also wants JCI trend to be healthy, THIS I TRUST! So invest in JSX, using TA or FA, will make it not a gamble, as JSX is IN LINE WITH THE ECONOMY and MARKET RESPOND TO IT NORMALLY! And as Mbah reminds, HAVE FAITH IN BOZZ! Makes JSX like life itself doesn't it? well it is part of life anyways. *On MBAH* ** You are our guardian! Its a difficult task, i.e., safeguarding small retail investors while trying your best not to be enemy of the BOZZ! Salute to you. Just a silly thought from a bandarmologist Wannabe. JR On 11/2/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, james rajasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See KZ buying back TLKM today, No doubt for TLKM on Monday. TA bagus lagi yah... didukung ama bos KZ lagi Kalo KEMAREN, analisanya jelek2in FLEXI+TLKM, coba sekarang bagus2in FLEXI+TLKM FA dan TA itu seperti istri ke 1 dan istri ke 2, tinggal si BOZZ mau pilih yg mana hehehe Kalo pinjem istilah si Elaine: - BEJ is so HILLARIOUS and - MAN is so EASY... (orang itu gampangan atau gampang dikibulin ?)...hehehe..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG+TLKM: Bedanya para Prof Trader dengan yg BIASA...
So Good to have a good god slash bozz. Discounted Tlkm, dont miss it. Toge2nya include WIKA and SULI, right mbah? On 10/31/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regional UDAH mulai plus TLKM masih -700, IHSG rebound ke -31 Yang mau mempelajari ilmu bandarologi, ini yang namanya: - THE ACT of god (god huruf kecil).. BEJ akan selalu MERIAH dan BERGAIRAH selama BOZZ masih EXIST... Long life to BOZZ --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PERHATIKAN TOGE TOGE BIRU saat IHSG -40 Toge toge biru lagi DIKASIH PUPUK... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: Sector MINING +0,7% , IHSG -40 SCENARIO MULAI LEBIH JELAS --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Armando Anthony armando.anthony@ wrote: BK dan ML buang banyak banget mbah, saya ngantri di 10450 kira2 nyampe? EL, where is your nuklear? I look forward to receiving it jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: DJI cuman -46 saat ini... (Under Control) TLKM di JKT dikerjain -4%, TLK di NY dikerjain -10% TLK di NY udah rebound dari -10% ke -6%... sepertinya PANIK buatan SANG PENGUASA... Trader TLK di NY tadi pasti ampe KENCING DICELANA saat TLK dibikin -10%... Si BOZZ emang MANTAP. Have a NICE SLEEP lah, mudah mudahan siBOZZ bekerja malam ini untuk KITA, to GET RID of the NON BELIEVER... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, boyz m4573rs@ wrote: bisa jadi scenario-nya spt itu ... but, who knows? salam, andreas vindyartono wrote: mungkin ga Mbah kalau scenarionya sbb: Ketika DJIA turun, FM besar akan mengguyur saham2 tertentu (say, saham2 J) sehingga retailer pada panik dan jual saham2 mereka. Atas rencana/kesepakatan bersama, pada FM besar akan kompak masuk ke saham2 tertentu (saham2 B) dalam jumlah besar. Hal itu mengakibatkan harga saham2 (saham B) mereka tidak turun, bahkan malah naik. Adapun untuk saham2 B ini, ada kemungkinan bahwa FM besar sudah punya banyak barang sebelumnya. Beberapa ari kemudian, setelah retail mulai sadar dari panik, mereka mulai melakukan pembelian selektif (saham2 yang dianggap tahan rontok saham B).Pada saat inilah maka FM besar mulai jualan di harga atas, sambil beli saham2 bagus yang ditinggalkan retail. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] POLY gimana yach ?
Poly will not go bankrupt, Legally speaking, as it is already in SOP (suspension of payment) state. MA is adventurer's effort. On 10/29/07, sbudianaY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beli di 50 aja bisa dapat, hanya kalo Poly dipailitkan maka baru ambles lah jadi berdoalah agar Poly jangan sampe dipailitkan. *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Satriadi Santosa *Sent:* 29 Oktober 2007 11:24 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] POLY gimana yach ? Kalau beli sekarang posisi 52 sepertinya dah tidak bakalan nyangkut dan resiko turun sudah kecil .. Ini yang disebut long term investment.. Ini pendapat aku saja.. mohon jgn di masukan ke hati.. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Åkßâr [EMAIL PROTECTED] fauzul%40bukopin.co.id wrote: Para sesepuh ..minta pencerahannya dong mengenai POLY, Saya nyangkut di 102 nih kira-2 kedepannya Saham ini gmn ya ... thks, Disclaimer: Although this message has been checked for all known viruses using Trend Micro InterScan Messaging Security Suite, Bukopin accept no liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this E-Mail or attachments. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 28/10/2007 13:58 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6254 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter http://www.spamfighter.com/len for free now!
