Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment
Kalo TBLA gimana Kang?any fundamental insight that can be shared with us? Thx Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:26:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment IMHO pak, BW plantation (Superior CPO Player) barangnya sedikit banget didapet, saya dapet konfirmasi tadi siang institusi saya aja cuman dapet 1/3 dr pesanan, itu udah mentok. jd kalo menurut logika pak DE., SpillOver Hype nya dari segi size akan mampir ke UNSP dan SGRO, dimana size nya relatif comparable (SGRO agak sedikit lebih identik krn sebagian estatenya ada di kalimantan dengan rasio Nukleus yg lebih tinggi, FFB Yield BW sekitar 22 Ton/Ha, UNSP sekitar 8 Ton/Ha dan SGRO 10.5 Ton/Ha sementara dr segi struktur gearing posisi SGRO net cash smntra UNSP rada Geared-Up Balance nya...) smntra dari segi kualitas Plantation dan Margin maka BW komparasinya dengan AALI dan LSIP... hanya saya pikir appetite pasar akan cenderung ke size kecil krn nature inheren BW adalah growth sehingga pasar akan favor perusahaan yg size nya kecil dan cenderung lebih mungkin untuk double-triple sizing scr lebih cepat (di bawah 10 tahun, logisnya ketika Size sudah 1000 maka peningkatan 100 hanya ekuivalen prestasi 10% (tidak impresif) sementara untuk barang yg size nya 300 improvement 100 sudah 33 % prestasi dan bisa double sizing hanya dalam waktu dibawah 5 tahun..) 2009/10/14 boyz® m457...@gmail.com Hehehe... AALI, LSIP SGRO kemarin kan udah pak :P Saat ini masih oke2 aja chart-nya. I mean, kalo udah punya barang, masih aman dan nyaman lah posisinya. Kalo belum punya, walaupun masih ada potensi naik, sebagai late comer baiknya jangan main tabrak. Tunggu jemputan (weakness) di intraday. Nanti deh bentar lagi ane update AALI, LSIP SGRO nya. Salam, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Marcello Djunaidy mdjuna...@gmail.comwrote: Pak Boyz, minta terowongan AALI vs SGRO vs LSIP dong :-D MD On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, boyz® m457...@gmail.com wrote: *UNSP (UNSP) Wednesday, October 14, 2009 *By Bill Williams, Ph.D. C.T.A. Profitunity Trading Group (409) 945-8880 - p...@phoenix.net* Alligator: Price is ABOVE the alligator Zone: Green Zone Awesome Oscillator (AO): Increasing Accelerator (AC): Increasing Open: 840.00 High: 880.00 Low: 840.00 Close: 880.00 Alligator Jaw: 868.96 Alligator Teeth: 866.76 Alligator Lips:857.03 Close is above the Alligator which means we are only interested in a long position. The AO is Increasing (Green AO bar) which means that the momentum is up. The AC is Increasing (Green AC bar) which means that the upward momentum is accelerating. With both the AO and the AC increasing the Price Bar should also be Green. If not already long this is a good place to look for a Fractal or other signal to buy.* Komen dari Bill W. sih OK. Parabolic SAR OK (*kalo ada yg perhatiin, P SAR di Metastock and di Amibroker kasih sinyal beda. Padahal dua-dua-nya ane pake parameter standar. Ada yg bisa jelasin?*) MACD kelihatannya batal mo cross down centerline. Mau golden cross malah. +DI udah cross up -DI, tapi masih dibawah 25. *Kesimpulan ane: * Kalo mo ikutin pakem trend follower, sinyal udah ada, tinggal tunggu konfirmasi. Kalo mau curi start, jangan lupa siapin 'panic button' alias exit strategy kalo ternyata kenyataan tidak sesuai harapan. Jgn ragu cutloss. Risk vs Reward sesuai lah. Salam, -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment
Pak Boyz, minta terowongan AALI vs SGRO vs LSIP dong :-D MD On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, boyz® m457...@gmail.com wrote: *UNSP (UNSP) Wednesday, October 14, 2009 *By Bill Williams, Ph.D. C.T.A. Profitunity Trading Group (409) 945-8880 - p...@phoenix.net* Alligator: Price is ABOVE the alligator Zone: Green Zone Awesome Oscillator (AO): Increasing Accelerator (AC): Increasing Open: 840.00 High: 880.00 Low: 840.00 Close: 880.00 Alligator Jaw: 868.96 Alligator Teeth: 866.76 Alligator Lips:857.03 Close is above the Alligator which means we are only interested in a long position. The AO is Increasing (Green AO bar) which means that the momentum is up. The AC is Increasing (Green AC bar) which means that the upward momentum is accelerating. With both the AO and the AC increasing the Price Bar should also be Green. If not already long this is a good place to look for a Fractal or other signal to buy.* Komen dari Bill W. sih OK. Parabolic SAR OK (*kalo ada yg perhatiin, P SAR di Metastock and di Amibroker kasih sinyal beda. Padahal dua-dua-nya ane pake parameter standar. Ada yg bisa jelasin?*) MACD kelihatannya batal mo cross down centerline. Mau golden cross malah. +DI udah cross up -DI, tapi masih dibawah 25. *Kesimpulan ane: * Kalo mo ikutin pakem trend follower, sinyal udah ada, tinggal tunggu konfirmasi. Kalo mau curi start, jangan lupa siapin 'panic button' alias exit strategy kalo ternyata kenyataan tidak sesuai harapan. Jgn ragu cutloss. Risk vs Reward sesuai lah. Salam,
Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment
Hehehe... AALI, LSIP SGRO kemarin kan udah pak :P Saat ini masih oke2 aja chart-nya. I mean, kalo udah punya barang, masih aman dan nyaman lah posisinya. Kalo belum punya, walaupun masih ada potensi naik, sebagai late comer baiknya jangan main tabrak. Tunggu jemputan (weakness) di intraday. Nanti deh bentar lagi ane update AALI, LSIP SGRO nya. Salam, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Marcello Djunaidy mdjuna...@gmail.comwrote: Pak Boyz, minta terowongan AALI vs SGRO vs LSIP dong :-D MD On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, boyz® m457...@gmail.com wrote: *UNSP (UNSP) Wednesday, October 14, 2009 *By Bill Williams, Ph.D. C.T.A. Profitunity Trading Group (409) 945-8880 - p...@phoenix.net* Alligator: Price is ABOVE the alligator Zone: Green Zone Awesome Oscillator (AO): Increasing Accelerator (AC): Increasing Open: 840.00 High: 880.00 Low: 840.00 Close: 880.00 Alligator Jaw: 868.96 Alligator Teeth: 866.76 Alligator Lips:857.03 Close is above the Alligator which means we are only interested in a long position. The AO is Increasing (Green AO bar) which means that the momentum is up. The AC is Increasing (Green AC bar) which means that the upward momentum is accelerating. With both the AO and the AC increasing the Price Bar should also be Green. If not already long this is a good place to look for a Fractal or other signal to buy.* Komen dari Bill W. sih OK. Parabolic SAR OK (*kalo ada yg perhatiin, P SAR di Metastock and di Amibroker kasih sinyal beda. Padahal dua-dua-nya ane pake parameter standar. Ada yg bisa jelasin?*) MACD kelihatannya batal mo cross down centerline. Mau golden cross malah. +DI udah cross up -DI, tapi masih dibawah 25. *Kesimpulan ane: * Kalo mo ikutin pakem trend follower, sinyal udah ada, tinggal tunggu konfirmasi. Kalo mau curi start, jangan lupa siapin 'panic button' alias exit strategy kalo ternyata kenyataan tidak sesuai harapan. Jgn ragu cutloss. Risk vs Reward sesuai lah. Salam,
Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment
IMHO pak, BW plantation (Superior CPO Player) barangnya sedikit banget didapet, saya dapet konfirmasi tadi siang institusi saya aja cuman dapet 1/3 dr pesanan, itu udah mentok. jd kalo menurut logika pak DE., SpillOver Hype nya dari segi size akan mampir ke UNSP dan SGRO, dimana size nya relatif comparable (SGRO agak sedikit lebih identik krn sebagian estatenya ada di kalimantan dengan rasio Nukleus yg lebih tinggi, FFB Yield BW sekitar 22 Ton/Ha, UNSP sekitar 8 Ton/Ha dan SGRO 10.5 Ton/Ha sementara dr segi struktur gearing posisi SGRO net cash smntra UNSP rada Geared-Up Balance nya...) smntra dari segi kualitas Plantation dan Margin maka BW komparasinya dengan AALI dan LSIP... hanya saya pikir appetite pasar akan cenderung ke size kecil krn nature inheren BW adalah growth sehingga pasar akan favor perusahaan yg size nya kecil dan cenderung lebih mungkin untuk double-triple sizing scr lebih cepat (di bawah 10 tahun, logisnya ketika Size sudah 1000 maka peningkatan 100 hanya ekuivalen prestasi 10% (tidak impresif) sementara untuk barang yg size nya 300 improvement 100 sudah 33 % prestasi dan bisa double sizing hanya dalam waktu dibawah 5 tahun..) 2009/10/14 boyz® m457...@gmail.com Hehehe... AALI, LSIP SGRO kemarin kan udah pak :P Saat ini masih oke2 aja chart-nya. I mean, kalo udah punya barang, masih aman dan nyaman lah posisinya. Kalo belum punya, walaupun masih ada potensi naik, sebagai late comer baiknya jangan main tabrak. Tunggu jemputan (weakness) di intraday. Nanti deh bentar lagi ane update AALI, LSIP SGRO nya. Salam, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Marcello Djunaidy mdjuna...@gmail.comwrote: Pak Boyz, minta terowongan AALI vs SGRO vs LSIP dong :-D MD On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, boyz® m457...@gmail.com wrote: *UNSP (UNSP) Wednesday, October 14, 2009 *By Bill Williams, Ph.D. C.T.A. Profitunity Trading Group (409) 945-8880 - p...@phoenix.net* Alligator: Price is ABOVE the alligator Zone: Green Zone Awesome Oscillator (AO): Increasing Accelerator (AC): Increasing Open: 840.00 High: 880.00 Low: 840.00 Close: 880.00 Alligator Jaw: 868.96 Alligator Teeth: 866.76 Alligator Lips:857.03 Close is above the Alligator which means we are only interested in a long position. The AO is Increasing (Green AO bar) which means that the momentum is up. The AC is Increasing (Green AC bar) which means that the upward momentum is accelerating. With both the AO and the AC increasing the Price Bar should also be Green. If not already long this is a good place to look for a Fractal or other signal to buy.* Komen dari Bill W. sih OK. Parabolic SAR OK (*kalo ada yg perhatiin, P SAR di Metastock and di Amibroker kasih sinyal beda. Padahal dua-dua-nya ane pake parameter standar. Ada yg bisa jelasin?*) MACD kelihatannya batal mo cross down centerline. Mau golden cross malah. +DI udah cross up -DI, tapi masih dibawah 25. *Kesimpulan ane: * Kalo mo ikutin pakem trend follower, sinyal udah ada, tinggal tunggu konfirmasi. Kalo mau curi start, jangan lupa siapin 'panic button' alias exit strategy kalo ternyata kenyataan tidak sesuai harapan. Jgn ragu cutloss. Risk vs Reward sesuai lah. Salam, -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
Re: [ob] UNSP : Bill William's comment
Thx inputnya, kang Bagus... Sementara lagi ada momentum, timing pas untuk trader, hehehe... Kalo yg investor apa lagi yg institusi, kan udah ane komporin untuk BOW semenjak bulan puasa kemarin. http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg166485.html Salam, 2009/10/14 Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com IMHO pak, BW plantation (Superior CPO Player) barangnya sedikit banget didapet, saya dapet konfirmasi tadi siang institusi saya aja cuman dapet 1/3 dr pesanan, itu udah mentok. jd kalo menurut logika pak DE., SpillOver Hype nya dari segi size akan mampir ke UNSP dan SGRO, dimana size nya relatif comparable (SGRO agak sedikit lebih identik krn sebagian estatenya ada di kalimantan dengan rasio Nukleus yg lebih tinggi, FFB Yield BW sekitar 22 Ton/Ha, UNSP sekitar 8 Ton/Ha dan SGRO 10.5 Ton/Ha sementara dr segi struktur gearing posisi SGRO net cash smntra UNSP rada Geared-Up Balance nya...) smntra dari segi kualitas Plantation dan Margin maka BW komparasinya dengan AALI dan LSIP... hanya saya pikir appetite pasar akan cenderung ke size kecil krn nature inheren BW adalah growth sehingga pasar akan favor perusahaan yg size nya kecil dan cenderung lebih mungkin untuk double-triple sizing scr lebih cepat (di bawah 10 tahun, logisnya ketika Size sudah 1000 maka peningkatan 100 hanya ekuivalen prestasi 10% (tidak impresif) sementara untuk barang yg size nya 300 improvement 100 sudah 33 % prestasi dan bisa double sizing hanya dalam waktu dibawah 5 tahun..) 2009/10/14 boyz® m457...@gmail.com Hehehe... AALI, LSIP SGRO kemarin kan udah pak :P Saat ini masih oke2 aja chart-nya. I mean, kalo udah punya barang, masih aman dan nyaman lah posisinya. Kalo belum punya, walaupun masih ada potensi naik, sebagai late comer baiknya jangan main tabrak. Tunggu jemputan (weakness) di intraday. Nanti deh bentar lagi ane update AALI, LSIP SGRO nya. Salam, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Marcello Djunaidy mdjuna...@gmail.comwrote: Pak Boyz, minta terowongan AALI vs SGRO vs LSIP dong :-D MD On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, boyz® m457...@gmail.com wrote: *UNSP (UNSP) Wednesday, October 14, 2009 *By Bill Williams, Ph.D. C.T.A. Profitunity Trading Group (409) 945-8880 - p...@phoenix.net* Alligator: Price is ABOVE the alligator Zone: Green Zone Awesome Oscillator (AO): Increasing Accelerator (AC): Increasing Open: 840.00 High: 880.00 Low: 840.00 Close: 880.00 Alligator Jaw: 868.96 Alligator Teeth: 866.76 Alligator Lips:857.03 Close is above the Alligator which means we are only interested in a long position. The AO is Increasing (Green AO bar) which means that the momentum is up. The AC is Increasing (Green AC bar) which means that the upward momentum is accelerating. With both the AO and the AC increasing the Price Bar should also be Green. If not already long this is a good place to look for a Fractal or other signal to buy.* Komen dari Bill W. sih OK. Parabolic SAR OK (*kalo ada yg perhatiin, P SAR di Metastock and di Amibroker kasih sinyal beda. Padahal dua-dua-nya ane pake parameter standar. Ada yg bisa jelasin?*) MACD kelihatannya batal mo cross down centerline. Mau golden cross malah. +DI udah cross up -DI, tapi masih dibawah 25. *Kesimpulan ane: * Kalo mo ikutin pakem trend follower, sinyal udah ada, tinggal tunggu konfirmasi. Kalo mau curi start, jangan lupa siapin 'panic button' alias exit strategy kalo ternyata kenyataan tidak sesuai harapan. Jgn ragu cutloss. Risk vs Reward sesuai lah. Salam, -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
