Re: [obsnw] Digest for ob...@googlegroups.com - 6 updates in 1 topic

[willow]

Hi Stephen. It seems I think that you have misunderstood the key issue 
here. I dont really see that anyone takes exception to the colour of the 
photographer, all though of course in the instances mentioned they are 
caucasian, but even if they were not, the issue is about the colour of the 
person being photographed and it would appear that black people in Obs are 
being photographed simply because they ARE black.


On Saturday, 16 July 2016 09:37:55 UTC+2, stephen van der spuy wrote:
>
> What does it matter whether the guy who photographed you was black, brown, 
> yellow, pink or white.?   What"s the colour got to do with it?
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM, > 
> wrote:
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>> Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station road 
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>> molopo riva >: Jul 13 05:22PM +0200 
>>
>> Hello all hope this finds you well, My name is Itumeleng I stay in
>> Observatory Pepperquare, Today I experienced an incident were I was 
>> treated
>> like a culprit by a Caucasian male between the age of 40-45. I had just
>> parked my car next to the church on Wesley got out of the car ,waiting for
>> a friend , the white man was passed by ,after 20 meters he proceeded to
>> take pictures of the car while I was standing next to it. I understand the
>> law permits people to freely take photographs in public spaces ,but in 
>> this
>> instance this it was not artistic. I started wondering wether he would
>> have reacted the same if it was a Caucasian male parked in the same manner
>> that I was. What if I had reacted to his actions ? I kindly ask that man
>> to Please refrain from such actions as being black does not mean criminal.
>> attached is a picture of the car I drive, feel free to launch a police
>> investigation seeing that you have a lot of time on your hands. This is
>> Africa. Regards.
>> Itumeleng
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>> Itumeleng Kgobokoe
>> [image: https://]about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe
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>> https://about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe?promo=email_sig&utm_source=email_sig&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=external_links
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>> Obs NW Chairman >: Jul 14 11:25AM 
>> +0200 
>>
>> Hi Itumeleng,
>>  
>> Thanks for your mail.
>>  
>> I can't confirm whether the person that photographed your vehicle 
>> yesterday
>> was one of our members as I am not aware of any pictures of your vehicle
>> having been posted to any of our platforms.
>>  
>> However, it is quite likely that it could have been one of our members and
>> I sorry that you were offended.
>>  
>> Unfortunately we have recently experienced a number of incidents where
>> black males use hired vehicles to come into Obs to commit crimes ranging
>> from house breaking to armed robbery. These vehicles are often new shape
>> Toyota's, VW's or Chev's and often have EC or GP number plates due them
>> being rented vehicles. The occupants are usually well dressed and well
>> spoken.
>>  
>> Our members will often post pictures of suspicious vehicles/persons onto
>> our Central Whatsapp Group so that SAPS can check on the registration
>> details and then together with Law Enforcement, OBSID and the wider
>> community, monitor their activities while they are in the area.
>>  
>> Our members are encouraged to be as discreet as possible in taking these
>> kind of pictures - for their safety and to avoid offending anyone. We(ONW)
>> are not allowed to stop and search anyone - only SAPS and Law Enforcement
>> can do that - and you should not have been harassed in any way.
>>  
>> Once again, I apologise on behalf of the ONW if it was one of our members
>> who offended you.
>>  
>> Please report any inappropriate behavior from our members in the future so
>> we can deal with it.
>>  
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Steve
>> ONW Chair
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Jodi >: Jul 14 05:40AM -0700 
>>
>> Is this an apology from Steve, or an attempt at justifying racial 
>> profiling 
>> in a mixed-race suburb and free country? Because it reads a lot more like 
>> the latter. What constitutes "suspicious" - are there any clearly written 
>> up criteria that we as the community can see, or is it just left up to 
>> any 
>> member's subjective decision in a country where we know racial bias is 
>> still a thing? I would have h

Re: [obsnw] Digest for obsnw@googlegroups.com - 6 updates in 1 topic

[stephen van der spuy]

What does it matter whether the guy who photographed you was black, brown,
yellow, pink or white.?   What"s the colour got to do with it?

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

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> Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station road
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> molopo riva : Jul 13 05:22PM +0200
>
> Hello all hope this finds you well, My name is Itumeleng I stay in
> Observatory Pepperquare, Today I experienced an incident were I was treated
> like a culprit by a Caucasian male between the age of 40-45. I had just
> parked my car next to the church on Wesley got out of the car ,waiting for
> a friend , the white man was passed by ,after 20 meters he proceeded to
> take pictures of the car while I was standing next to it. I understand the
> law permits people to freely take photographs in public spaces ,but in this
> instance this it was not artistic. I started wondering wether he would
> have reacted the same if it was a Caucasian male parked in the same manner
> that I was. What if I had reacted to his actions ? I kindly ask that man
> to Please refrain from such actions as being black does not mean criminal.
> attached is a picture of the car I drive, feel free to launch a police
> investigation seeing that you have a lot of time on your hands. This is
> Africa. Regards.
> Itumeleng
>
> --
>
>
> [image: --]
>
> Itumeleng Kgobokoe
> [image: https://]about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe
> <
> https://about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe?promo=email_sig&utm_source=email_sig&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=external_links
> >
> Obs NW Chairman : Jul 14 11:25AM +0200
>
> Hi Itumeleng,
>
> Thanks for your mail.
>
> I can't confirm whether the person that photographed your vehicle yesterday
> was one of our members as I am not aware of any pictures of your vehicle
> having been posted to any of our platforms.
>
> However, it is quite likely that it could have been one of our members and
> I sorry that you were offended.
>
> Unfortunately we have recently experienced a number of incidents where
> black males use hired vehicles to come into Obs to commit crimes ranging
> from house breaking to armed robbery. These vehicles are often new shape
> Toyota's, VW's or Chev's and often have EC or GP number plates due them
> being rented vehicles. The occupants are usually well dressed and well
> spoken.
>
> Our members will often post pictures of suspicious vehicles/persons onto
> our Central Whatsapp Group so that SAPS can check on the registration
> details and then together with Law Enforcement, OBSID and the wider
> community, monitor their activities while they are in the area.
>
> Our members are encouraged to be as discreet as possible in taking these
> kind of pictures - for their safety and to avoid offending anyone. We(ONW)
> are not allowed to stop and search anyone - only SAPS and Law Enforcement
> can do that - and you should not have been harassed in any way.
>
> Once again, I apologise on behalf of the ONW if it was one of our members
> who offended you.
>
> Please report any inappropriate behavior from our members in the future so
> we can deal with it.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Steve
> ONW Chair
>
>
>
> Jodi : Jul 14 05:40AM -0700
>
> Is this an apology from Steve, or an attempt at justifying racial
> profiling
> in a mixed-race suburb and free country? Because it reads a lot more like
> the latter. What constitutes "suspicious" - are there any clearly written
> up criteria that we as the community can see, or is it just left up to any
> member's subjective decision in a country where we know racial bias is
> still a thing? I would have hoped that Obs would be a little more
> progressive than this and not be actively justifying the racial profiling
> of people visiting, living in, working in, studying in Obs.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:25:37 UTC+2, chairman wrote:
> Gazarow : Jul 14 07:31AM -0700
>
> well said!
>
> On Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:22:22 UTC+2, moloporiva wrote:
> edenmusa...@gmail.com: Jul 14 05:55PM +0200
>
> Good day all.
> On Sunday I went to see a friend of mine on Scot road, while waiting for
> him to come out around 3pm , a caucasian guy approach my car, just because
> there were two packet of paper bags of kfc and he assume it's was me who
> dispose on inappropriate place and he said I quote" this black guy dropping
> paper around " I look at him and smile he start taking