Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On 6/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go pick on the Ubersetzung and Gentoo bugreports! :( Now that my computer is back up and running it would probably be a good idea to close some of those bugs out by finishing them :) As far as FB0.17 looks, it seems to me like they're trying to be more like Visual Basic than QuickBASIC. I can see the OHR eventually working in 0.17 though. And as far as GOSUB goes, wouldn't it work to change everything to functions (even if they don't return anything useful ... perhaps return 0 on success and !=0 on failure) and CALL them? I haven't touched QB in like 5 years so I don't remember if that's valid syntax, but in VB it would be... Public Function DoSomething(Arg1 As String, Arg2 As String, Arg3 as Integer) As Integer ' Do something Return 0 End Function ...Ignore me if OHR already does that. -- Keith Gable Lead Programmer / Project Leader The Ignition Project http://www.ignition-project.com/ [Ask me how you can get a free Gmail account - Now with Google Chat!] ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On 6/25/07, James Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to use VB, and I don't remember it lacking type suffixes, nor do I remember any restrictions on where you could use GOSUB/RETURN True, you can still Dim number$, word if you want... But IIRC you can still do something like this: Dim number$, word number = This is a string word = 31337 Basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to use the $/ suffixes; they're just used as a shortcut for Dim'ing variables. I think .NET removed this ability though... :( And also, I never used GOSUB in VB. a SUB is a function that has no return value. Yes, we can convert all our GOSUBS into real SUBs and FUNCTIONS. It is a process we have already started, but there is a long way to go. It is more than a simple syntax change. It also means we have to carefully scrub the code for use of undeclared globals (which is something we need to do anyway) I thought there was some syntactical difference between SUB/FUNCTION and how they can be used. Nevermind then. -- Keith Gable Lead Programmer / Project Leader The Ignition Project http://www.ignition-project.com/ [Ask me how you can get a free Gmail account - Now with Google Chat!] ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On 6/25/07, Keith Gable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, James Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to use VB, and I don't remember it lacking type suffixes, nor do I remember any restrictions on where you could use GOSUB/RETURN True, you can still Dim number$, word if you want... But IIRC you can still do something like this: Dim number$, word number = This is a string word = 31337 Basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to use the $/ suffixes; they're just used as a shortcut for Dim'ing variables. My main argument against suffixes is that it is possible to have i%, i, i$ AND i# all being distinct variables. And, if you swear against doing that, why do you need the suffixes? I think .NET removed this ability though... :( And also, I never used GOSUB in VB. a SUB is a function that has no return value. Yes, we can convert all our GOSUBS into real SUBs and FUNCTIONS. It is a process we have already started, but there is a long way to go. It is more than a simple syntax change. It also means we have to carefully scrub the code for use of undeclared globals (which is something we need to do anyway) I thought there was some syntactical difference between SUB/FUNCTION and how they can be used. Nevermind then. There is, slightly. You can't use a SUB as a right-hand value. And, you get a warning if a function doesn't return anything. -- Mike Caron Final Fantasy Q http://finalfantasyq.com ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:38:05PM -0500, Mike Caron wrote: On 6/25/07, Keith Gable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, James Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to use VB, and I don't remember it lacking type suffixes, nor do I remember any restrictions on where you could use GOSUB/RETURN True, you can still Dim number$, word if you want... But IIRC you can still do something like this: Dim number$, word number = This is a string word = 31337 Basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to use the $/ suffixes; they're just used as a shortcut for Dim'ing variables. My main argument against suffixes is that it is possible to have i%, i, i$ AND i# all being distinct variables. And, if you swear against doing that, why do you need the suffixes? I find that when I write in other languages, I often end up with a lot of variables with names like query_string or break_string or fatal_string. In Basic I would name those query$ break$ fatal$. Being able to see type at a glance can be valuable. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation (which I never use-- just an illustration of a similar concept) --- James Paige ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On 6/25/07, James Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:38:05PM -0500, Mike Caron wrote: On 6/25/07, Keith Gable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, James Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to use VB, and I don't remember it lacking type suffixes, nor do I remember any restrictions on where you could use GOSUB/RETURN True, you can still Dim number$, word if you want... But IIRC you can still do something like this: Dim number$, word number = This is a string word = 31337 Basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to use the $/ suffixes; they're just used as a shortcut for Dim'ing variables. My main argument against suffixes is that it is possible to have i%, i, i$ AND i# all being distinct variables. And, if you swear against doing that, why do you need the suffixes? I find that when I write in other languages, I often end up with a lot of variables with names like query_string or break_string or fatal_string. In Basic I would name those query$ break$ fatal$. Being able to see type at a glance can be valuable. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation (which I never use-- just an illustration of a similar concept) Hungarian notation is a bane to all of existence. Well, maybe it's not that bad, but my variables are usually unadorned. -- Mike Caron Final Fantasy Q http://finalfantasyq.com ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On 6/25/07, Mike Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation (which I never use-- just an illustration of a similar concept) Hungarian notation is a bane to all of existence. Well, maybe it's not that bad, but my variables are usually unadorned. I've been doing this since I started using VB and was totally unaware that someone else thought of that idea too. Hm. But if we're really looking for getting rid of the Dim str$ stuff, maybe naming it strWhatever will make everyone happy? I dunno. It's really not a big deal AFAICT, it's just the act of changing them that will be the pain. -- Keith Gable Lead Programmer / Project Leader The Ignition Project http://www.ignition-project.com/ [Ask me how you can get a free Gmail account - Now with Google Chat!] ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
Re: [Ohrrpgce] [Bug 396] Can the OHR be compiled in FreeBasic 0.17?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 10:43:41PM -0500, Keith Gable wrote: On 6/25/07, Mike Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation (which I never use-- just an illustration of a similar concept) Hungarian notation is a bane to all of existence. Well, maybe it's not that bad, but my variables are usually unadorned. I've been doing this since I started using VB and was totally unaware that someone else thought of that idea too. Hm. But if we're really looking for getting rid of the Dim str$ stuff, maybe naming it strWhatever will make everyone happy? I dunno. It's really not a big deal AFAICT, it's just the act of changing them that will be the pain. Nah. This debate is mostly a philosophical one, and actually has very little bearing on how the OHR will be developed. Our current coding style standard is: 1) when editing existing code just to try to make your code style match the code around it 2) when writing new code make a reasonable effort for it not to suck :) See Also: BIG BALL OF MUD: http://www.laputan.org/mud/ --- James Paige ___ ohrrpgce mailing list ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org
