[oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread G B
Presently my commercial websites and mail servers run on OpenBSD, but I am in 
the process of moving them to either OpenIndiana, FreeBSD, or NetBSD.  I have 
more than a decade using Solaris in the enterprise for some very large 
companies, so my knowledge of Solaris gives OI a step ahead of the competition.

FreeBSD does have DTrace and ZFS, but ZFS is installed by default by OI (of 
course).  But OI also gives me the opportunity to run Solaris binaries such as 
ooRexx and DB2 that the others cannot run.  FreeBSD does have ooRexx 3.0 
available, but only for the i386 architecture, and I need amd64.

The OI website seems to not be mostly unmaintained and although the 
openindiana.org site is available, the few mirrors that did or do exist seem to 
be shutting down.

I would certainly like to use OI, but I'm concerned about the state.

OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
(151a8) scheduled to be released?  
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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Magnus

On Apr 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, G B wrote:

> OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
> (151a8) scheduled to be released? 

If you're coming from OpenBSD, this shouldn't be at all alarming.
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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi GB,

If you're looking to move to a new OpenSolaris derived distro (i.e. based
on illumos, which is where all the kernel/core userland development takes
place across all distros) then there are many choices besides OpenIndiana.

I'd strongly recommend looking at SmartOS or OmniOS. SmartOS is developed
commercially by Joyent, a large cloud computing provider in the US. OmniOS
is also developed commercially by OmniTI, a fairly large IT services
company. SmartOS may make a good choice as you're from a BSD background, it
uses pkgsrc for packages.

OpenIndiana was started as an open source community developed distro
similar to Debian, but due to a lack of interest there are only a few
developers working on it part time, so updates are slow, and limited in
scope due to the size of the project.

Regards,

Alasdair




On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Magnus  wrote:

>
> On Apr 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, G B wrote:
>
> > OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next
> release (151a8) scheduled to be released?
>
> If you're coming from OpenBSD, this shouldn't be at all alarming.
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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Ken Gunderson
At Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:16:48 -0400,
Magnus wrote:
> 
> 
> On Apr 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, G B wrote:
> 
> > OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
> > (151a8) scheduled to be released? 
> 
> If you're coming from OpenBSD, this shouldn't be at all alarming.

This is a pretty lame statement: OpenBSD releases like clockwork every
six months.

My $0.02

Peace-- Ken

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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Ken Gunderson
At Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT),
G B wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> [1.1  ]
> 
> [1.2  ]
> Presently my commercial websites and mail servers run on OpenBSD, but I am in 
> the
> process of moving them to either OpenIndiana, FreeBSD, or NetBSD.  I have 
> more than
> a decade using Solaris in the enterprise for some very large companies, so my
> knowledge of Solaris gives OI a step ahead of the competition.
> 
> FreeBSD does have DTrace and ZFS, but ZFS is installed by default by OI (of
> course).  But OI also gives me the opportunity to run Solaris binaries such as
> ooRexx and DB2 that the others cannot run.  FreeBSD does have ooRexx 3.0 
> available,
> but only for the i386 architecture, and I need amd64.
> 
> The OI website seems to not be mostly unmaintained and although the 
> openindiana.org
> site is available, the few mirrors that did or do exist seem to be shutting 
> down.
> 
> I would certainly like to use OI, but I'm concerned about the state.
> 
> OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
> (151a8)
> scheduled to be released? 
> 

Consider using SmartOS to host vm's of FreeBSD for your bread and
butter apps.  Then you still have Solaris goodness for e.g. ooRexx and
DB2.  Note, however, that I have no clue as to current status of
either on SmartOS.

Good luck-- Ken



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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Brian Hechinger

On 4/14/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:

At Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT),
G B wrote:

[1  ]
[1.1  ]

[1.2  ]
Presently my commercial websites and mail servers run on OpenBSD, but I am in 
the
process of moving them to either OpenIndiana, FreeBSD, or NetBSD.  I have more 
than
a decade using Solaris in the enterprise for some very large companies, so my
knowledge of Solaris gives OI a step ahead of the competition.

FreeBSD does have DTrace and ZFS, but ZFS is installed by default by OI (of
course).  But OI also gives me the opportunity to run Solaris binaries such as
ooRexx and DB2 that the others cannot run.  FreeBSD does have ooRexx 3.0 
available,
but only for the i386 architecture, and I need amd64.

The OI website seems to not be mostly unmaintained and although the 
openindiana.org
site is available, the few mirrors that did or do exist seem to be shutting 
down.

I would certainly like to use OI, but I'm concerned about the state.

OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
(151a8)
scheduled to be released?


Consider using SmartOS to host vm's of FreeBSD for your bread and
butter apps.  Then you still have Solaris goodness for e.g. ooRexx and
DB2.  Note, however, that I have no clue as to current status of
either on SmartOS.

Good luck-- Ken



There is also Omni-OS, which if the original poster's experience is in 
Solaris will work well for him. It's a lot more Solaris like than 
SmartOS, IMHO.


-brian

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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Dave Koelmeyer

You could also have a look at Tribblix: http://www.tribblix.org/

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Re: [oi-dev] State of development

2013-04-14 Thread Magnus
October 2012 was six months ago. Complaining that this was how long we've had 
to wait since the last oi release is directly relevant to OP's familiarity with 
OpenBSD. Please try to gain deeper understanding of what you're criticizing 
before telling someone their opinion is lame, Ken.

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On Apr 14, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Ken Gunderson  wrote:

> At Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:16:48 -0400,
> Magnus wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2013, at 10:51 AM, G B wrote:
>> 
>>> OI's last release was Oct 2012, so my question is when is the next release 
>>> (151a8) scheduled to be released?
>> 
>> If you're coming from OpenBSD, this shouldn't be at all alarming.
> 
> This is a pretty lame statement: OpenBSD releases like clockwork every
> six months.
> 
> My $0.02
> 
> Peace-- Ken
> 
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