Re: [oi-dev] 2018.10 targets

[Aurélien Larcher]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:03 PM Michal Nowak  wrote:

> On 09/29/18 06:19 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 9:01 AM Michal Nowak  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 09/28/18 10:41 AM, Alexander Pyhalov via oi-dev wrote:
> >  > Hi, folks.
> >  >
> >  > We are approaching October. While I have limited time now, I want
> to
> >  > coordinate priorities and targets, what should we do till end of
> >  > October (and due to personal reasons, I'd better announce snapshot
> >  > till 20 October or earlier or allow someone else to do this).
> >  >
> >  > We have several regressions and problems, which would be good to
> >  > fix.
> >  >
> >  > 1) Virtualbox failure after FPU changes
> >  > https://www.illumos.org/issues/9761 ,
> >  > https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17947 is a serious one, but I'm
> >  > afraid I lack skills to fix it in reasonable time. The stack trace
> >  > itself doesn't seem related to illumos-gate changes, but likely it
> >  > is. In KVM Joyent fixed this using new hma_fpu_* API, but
> Virtualbox
> >  > structures to store VM registers differ and from brief overlook it
> >  > has several asm functions to store/restore Host/Base registers
> state.
> >  > So far I don't have an idea how convert one to another. So, this
> >  > likely will be broken in 2018.10 unless someone skillful dig into
> >  > this.
> >  >
> >  > 2) sbcl issues - threaded sbcl can not be built after KPTI
> changes,
> >  > it fails FLOCK and posix tests. Needs investigation. It's a
> serious
> >  > issue, because threaded sbcl is needed to build pgloader.
> >  >
> >  > 3) Our Mate is a bit old, but newer Mate requires updated GTK3 .
> >  > Updated GTK3 IIRC has dropped support for theme engines, and so
> our
> >  > Nimbus theme based on unico engine doesn't work. Also I've heard
> >  > there were issues with new mate-terminal. Michal, do you have some
> >  > comments here?
> >
> > I run MATE 1.20 as seen in the PR and it works fine but:
> >
> > (1) Nimbus theme. I stick to "Traditional" theme.
> >
> > (2) Pluma text editor's text area blinks annoyingly. Might be an
> > Intel-only issue. Upstream issue reported.
> >
> > (3) MATE Terminal requires new vte library which does not work for
> us.
> >   From my investigation I noticed that some #ifdef __sun were removed
> > from newer vte. Also I haven't seen new vte for non-Linux OS (pkgsrc,
> > BSDs, ...).
> >
> > I don't think I am able to do anything about those.
> >
> >
> > Which version does pkgsrc deliver? J. Perkin seems to have worked on
> > MATE 1.20.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out, Aurélien! Indeed Jonathan ported it to
> __sun: https://github.com/NetBSD/pkgsrc/tree/trunk/x11/vte3. I'll have a
> look at it.
>
> >
> >
> >  >
> >  > 4) As for new features, I really want to see KVM zones, perhaps,
> I'll
> >  > dig into this shortly.
> >  >
> >  > Does somebody have another targets/comments?
> >
> > I will work on openQA tests for them to be in shape for the snapshot
> > and
> > test the images once test-snapshot is available.
> >
> > Also I had some progress with Meson but can't promise this.
> >
> >
> > I packaged Meson last year but this is a mess...
> > Need to implement the specificities of illumos systems all over again...
> > and the way it is structures looks like the usual entangled "if(totoOS)
> > {} else if (babarOS) else if (fooOS) {} etc" all over the place.
> > First thing back then was to notice that GCC => GNU ld in their rules...
>
> I didn't get even that far, but it's noticeable from OS/HW detection
> that Meson has Linux in mind.
>

I am not sure I still have that work from last year... I am not really
motivated in reinventing the wheel unless it is necessary... :S


>
> Michal
>
> >
> >
> > Michal
> >
> >  >
> >  > Please, avoid turning this topic in bike-shedding, I want to hear
> OI
> >  > developers in a way "I ll take item #N" or "I expect to finish
> >  > feature A before snapshot", not "please, also fix this and that".
> >  >
> >  > Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Southern
> >  > Federal University IT department
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: [oi-dev] 2018.10 targets

[Michal Nowak]

On 09/29/18 06:19 PM, Aurélien Larcher wrote:



On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 9:01 AM Michal Nowak > wrote:


On 09/28/18 10:41 AM, Alexander Pyhalov via oi-dev wrote:
 > Hi, folks.
 >
 > We are approaching October. While I have limited time now, I want to
 > coordinate priorities and targets, what should we do till end of
 > October (and due to personal reasons, I'd better announce snapshot
 > till 20 October or earlier or allow someone else to do this).
 >
 > We have several regressions and problems, which would be good to
 > fix.
 >
 > 1) Virtualbox failure after FPU changes
 > https://www.illumos.org/issues/9761 ,
 > https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17947 is a serious one, but I'm
 > afraid I lack skills to fix it in reasonable time. The stack trace
 > itself doesn't seem related to illumos-gate changes, but likely it
 > is. In KVM Joyent fixed this using new hma_fpu_* API, but Virtualbox
 > structures to store VM registers differ and from brief overlook it
 > has several asm functions to store/restore Host/Base registers state.
 > So far I don't have an idea how convert one to another. So, this
 > likely will be broken in 2018.10 unless someone skillful dig into
 > this.
 >
 > 2) sbcl issues - threaded sbcl can not be built after KPTI changes,
 > it fails FLOCK and posix tests. Needs investigation. It's a serious
 > issue, because threaded sbcl is needed to build pgloader.
 >
 > 3) Our Mate is a bit old, but newer Mate requires updated GTK3 .
 > Updated GTK3 IIRC has dropped support for theme engines, and so our
 > Nimbus theme based on unico engine doesn't work. Also I've heard
 > there were issues with new mate-terminal. Michal, do you have some
 > comments here?

I run MATE 1.20 as seen in the PR and it works fine but:

(1) Nimbus theme. I stick to "Traditional" theme.

(2) Pluma text editor's text area blinks annoyingly. Might be an
Intel-only issue. Upstream issue reported.

(3) MATE Terminal requires new vte library which does not work for us.
  From my investigation I noticed that some #ifdef __sun were removed
from newer vte. Also I haven't seen new vte for non-Linux OS (pkgsrc,
BSDs, ...).

I don't think I am able to do anything about those.


Which version does pkgsrc deliver? J. Perkin seems to have worked on 
MATE 1.20.


Thanks for pointing that out, Aurélien! Indeed Jonathan ported it to 
__sun: https://github.com/NetBSD/pkgsrc/tree/trunk/x11/vte3. I'll have a 
look at it.





 >
 > 4) As for new features, I really want to see KVM zones, perhaps, I'll
 > dig into this shortly.
 >
 > Does somebody have another targets/comments?

I will work on openQA tests for them to be in shape for the snapshot
and
test the images once test-snapshot is available.

Also I had some progress with Meson but can't promise this.


I packaged Meson last year but this is a mess...
Need to implement the specificities of illumos systems all over again... 
and the way it is structures looks like the usual entangled "if(totoOS) 
{} else if (babarOS) else if (fooOS) {} etc" all over the place.

First thing back then was to notice that GCC => GNU ld in their rules...


I didn't get even that far, but it's noticeable from OS/HW detection 
that Meson has Linux in mind.


Michal




Michal

 >
 > Please, avoid turning this topic in bike-shedding, I want to hear OI
 > developers in a way "I ll take item #N" or "I expect to finish
 > feature A before snapshot", not "please, also fix this and that".
 >
 > Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Southern
 > Federal University IT department
 >
 >
 >
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 > oi-dev@openindiana.org 
 > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
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