Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
Garrett proposed a Reference Distro around September last year that is pretty much what you suggested: http://gdamore.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-case-for-new-reference-distro-for.html Jon ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue with the long promised (delayed) x64 version ... Then you can better feel if it would be acceptebable to you (SPARC users can already test, but as far as I understand it, few of you still have a SPARC). The src and pkgdefs are here and I'm willing to release everything. Doing it properly by committing change after change into hg can take decades. So either I just create diffs or upload tar's or create a history-less hg or what you want. regards %martin bochnig http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/ http://opensxce.org/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
For what it is worth: CSW existed before OpenIndiana. I never understood why Sun refused to adopt something like pkgutil (or its predecessor), but insisted on re-inventing the wheel. Instead Sun created IPS from scratch (with a lot of inspiration from conary and Foresight Linux, which they were even meeting before they made IPS). Buy doing so, they also broke the Upgrade patch from all earlier Solaris versions to Indiana aka OpenSolaris aka Solaris 11. And for all this trouble and extra hassle they literally spent MILLIONS of Dollars and millions of hours of man hours.. I (and a few others) had _always_ warned Sun to to go this route, but all I got was laughter. Let me ask: Where is Solaris now, in comparison to 2007? How much market share has remained? I know, for Sun this discussion comes slightly too late: RIP. Well, they were not willing to listen. At least not when it came to things like IPS. But we here can still do what we feel makes most sense. This just as a thought. %martin ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
+1 for support another packages then IPS DEB for example. -- Best regards, Igor Kozhukhov On May 10, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue with the long promised (delayed) x64 version ... Then you can better feel if it would be acceptebable to you (SPARC users can already test, but as far as I understand it, few of you still have a SPARC). The src and pkgdefs are here and I'm willing to release everything. Doing it properly by committing change after change into hg can take decades. So either I just create diffs or upload tar's or create a history-less hg or what you want. regards %martin bochnig http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/ http://opensxce.org/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
ouch, forgive the types, I'm on the run ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
On May 10, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. *illumos* uses IPS. That's not likely to change anytime soon, if only because the pain of changing packaging systems is too high a cost to bear. That said, its *easy* to make systems that take IPS metadata, and build binary packages in various other formats. Its been done many times -- IPS to tar, IPS to SVR4, and IPS to .deb. I've even written an image builder that parses IPS using shell scripts. Easy peasey. So a distro can choose whatever format they like. I recommend (highly) continuing to use IPS metadata as the source form, if only because it is the only packaging format that actually aims to completely describe the resultant end-system in parseable metadata rather than relying on scripting languages to help out. (SMF boot helpers notwithstanding….) This would mean that others could use the source formats to deliver whatever binaries they like. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue with the long promised (delayed) x64 version ... Then you can better feel if it would be acceptebable to you (SPARC users can already test, but as far as I understand it, few of you still have a SPARC). Actually I suspect lots of us still have SPARC kit in garages, closets, etc. Just most of us long since turned them off due to poor tradeoffs. (High noise, high heat, power consumption. Low performance -- at least the sparc kit that most of us have laying around.) The src and pkgdefs are here and I'm willing to release everything. Doing it properly by committing change after change into hg can take decades. So either I just create diffs or upload tar's or create a history-less hg or what you want. Nice work Martin. :-) I like your style (delivering the work rather than discussion about the work. :-) - Garrett regards %martin bochnig http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/ http://opensxce.org/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
I would certainly be interested in a OpenSXCE x86_64. From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org To: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana? The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue with the long promised (delayed) x64 version ... Then you can better feel if it would be acceptebable to you (SPARC users can already test, but as far as I understand it, few of you still have a SPARC). The src and pkgdefs are here and I'm willing to release everything. Doing it properly by committing change after change into hg can take decades. So either I just create diffs or upload tar's or create a history-less hg or what you want. regards %martin bochnig http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/ http://opensxce.org/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
I use pkgsrc on SmartOS. I think it also works on OI, so I have no use really for IPS. Plus there is OpenCSW. From: Garrett D'Amore garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com To: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana? On May 10, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: The question remains, if it really needs to be IPS based. Or if it can be SVR4 and CSW style pkgutil.net. If you read Garrett's mails he also asked this question from time to time, just the day before yesterday again. *illumos* uses IPS. That's not likely to change anytime soon, if only because the pain of changing packaging systems is too high a cost to bear. That said, its *easy* to make systems that take IPS metadata, and build binary packages in various other formats. Its been done many times -- IPS to tar, IPS to SVR4, and IPS to .deb. I've even written an image builder that parses IPS using shell scripts. Easy peasey. So a distro can choose whatever format they like. I recommend (highly) continuing to use IPS metadata as the source form, if only because it is the only packaging format that actually aims to completely describe the resultant end-system in parseable metadata rather than relying on scripting languages to help out. (SMF boot helpers notwithstanding….) This would mean that others could use the source formats to deliver whatever binaries they like. But rather than just getting lost in endless discussions, I rather continue with the long promised (delayed) x64 version ... Then you can better feel if it would be acceptebable to you (SPARC users can already test, but as far as I understand it, few of you still have a SPARC). Actually I suspect lots of us still have SPARC kit in garages, closets, etc. Just most of us long since turned them off due to poor tradeoffs. (High noise, high heat, power consumption. Low performance -- at least the sparc kit that most of us have laying around.) The src and pkgdefs are here and I'm willing to release everything. Doing it properly by committing change after change into hg can take decades. So either I just create diffs or upload tar's or create a history-less hg or what you want. Nice work Martin. :-) I like your style (delivering the work rather than discussion about the work. :-) - Garrett regards %martin bochnig http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/ http://opensxce.org/ http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Orange Indiana?
Wow, there is some incredibly interesting reads in the mailing list lately. I have been following it with great interest. I have been giving it a lot of thought lately. And especially OpenIndiana. Let's begin with saying Illumos is great. And OpenIndiana has the potential of being great. But at the moment, it's clearly stale and needs some serious action to be revived. I strongly suggest either a re-branding of the name and a complete re-shuffle of management etc. Or the alternative is to fork the project (or someone to fork it) and call it something different. Because at the moment, OpenIndiana is simply dying a slow and painful death. Personally, I am seriously considering setting up a git tree locally, pulling in Illumos and getting to work on something new that could someday continue on where OpenIndiana failed. Because it's not only sad to see such good code wasted, but it's becoming offensive to fans of Illumos. Regards Chris Jones -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) mQENBFF6JoQBCADvrA07ocG4OJBaRfb3RkAQUlfadrW4wyT5jTWv8SY0tDVZsGqa zvsmpIm0pAA4/FtFb70Lo1c7DzITjPFw+iDhzL3sVKpHuvdl141EwtZobI0pYC8q LVDQI/3BQCNapiIaHCSPDtQnqa02hdiaFB2iaFfNU0MHVYqGRxfydn4Dpoocexn7 c4qFs6Fgz25WOcJ4tiRRyj8KZrfc2E8DRj5u4HNy1uBDp4Yl73PIActUySUbVsOx 4ZeO0dx7ODIDqtxxCG9mEmXJZzRUtIDdXlzztsE7ITSmysPVq65MAjeAOIG8Z0lp t0/KlMacKYb6HDEWLhnjNeHYlkZ54Kb1MnfxABEBAAG0JENocmlzIEpvbmVzIDxj aHJpc2pvbmVzQHVuaXhtZW4uY29tPokBPgQTAQIAKAUCUXomhAIbAwUJACdGHAYL CQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQK91yhbSfkL+MaAgAgLWkxQqcc+V0 NkmkLtzb/Bb5XS23tarz08iY7GPimmWIQmWulrORT+JVmBVkg7MRzcvVEOXrlZcE Ttth/+sPDFufHXAE5bC4XDuSIcE7U2J4AOKKFyGfYnC220qXk+MHdBgfphtuagEH Lq8UN/od0t9cNrEnCLjRNm/lpu+R+JHW/6/C+Bd2PAHZ22ib1PfIIT8CM4oPs3lR ItZwzqjSlPZb4RP6i190mcLippJHFzCWdiQG03yI8+UIFj42gsJ8jGMfXOvSEt+J gcgXB2EnZfVFPLM5zkjsehxfjn0gB1SFML5i5ig40GKivKE3UhX5nv4gupGfrGGj xl4XGTaS3A== =sDOZ -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
