Re: Still not understanding why getCollectionByQuery() is not getting sub-object.
Hi, I'm now in RC4 but never have this kind of pb with RC2. Just a difference for me, my repository contain this : class-descriptor class=com.jobbank.jobbank.model.offer.OfferVO table=offer refresh=true Not this : class-descriptor class=com.jobbank.jobbank.model.offer.OfferVO table=offer auto-retrieve=true auto-update=false auto-delete=false But if you can retrieve objects manually, it's probably not your pb ... I never seen this syntax before :field-descriptor name=status-modified Can I see your OrderItemVO object ? Is status a member of OrderItemVO ? Regards. Stéphane LAURENT - Original Message - From: Robert J Celestino To: OJB Users List Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: RE: Still not understanding why getCollectionByQuery() is not getting sub-object. Hello John, I am stumped too (not that says very much, I am a newbie to OJB). Have you tried RC4? Bob c Bob Celestino SAS Research and Development 919 - 531 - 9425 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SAS - The Power to Know -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:03 PM To: OJB Users List Subject: Still not understanding why getCollectionByQuery() is not getting sub-object. Is anybody aware of anything in RC2 that would prevent getCollectionByQuery() from realizing sub-objects? I get N records using getCollectionByQuery() successfully, but this OfferVO subobject continues to not show its ugly head unless I manually get each sub-object. I have auto-retrieve=true everywhere. I successfully get a different sub-reference on a different non-collection object. My mapping is correct in that manual retieval works. I thought sub-objects would be realized with getCollectionByQuery() unlike with getIteratorByQuery(). I am wondering if it could have something to do with the fact that the Collection of OrderItemVO has 3 primary keys or something to do with the below setting in the OJB.properties I needed to allow for '-' Single Table Aggregation. '-' was only allowed as far as I know in RC2 using this setting. I don't know if it was implemented in the default setting since. PersistentFieldClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.metadata.fieldacc ess.PersistentNestedFieldMaxPerformanceImpl My repository.xml as it is today for the two important tables follows: !-- Definitions for the OrderItemVO object which is retrieved with the getCollectionByQuery() -- class-descriptor class=com.jobbank.jobbank.model.order.OrderItemVO table=orderitem field-descriptor name=offerId column=offerid jdbc-type=INTEGER primarykey=true / field-descriptor name=memberId column=mid jdbc-type=INTEGER primarykey=true / field-descriptor name=orderId column=orderid jdbc-type=INTEGER primarykey=true / field-descriptor name=offerQuantity column=offerquantity jdbc-type=INTEGER / field-descriptor name=buyLater column=buylater jdbc-type=INTEGER conversion=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.conversions.Bo olean2IntFieldConversion / field-descriptor name=status-modified column=modified jdbc-type=TIMESTAMP / field-descriptor name=status-added column=added jdbc-type=TIMESTAMP / field-descriptor name=status-disabled column=disabled jdbc-type=INTEGER conversion=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.conversions.Bo olean2IntFieldConversion / reference-descriptor name=offer class-ref=com.jobbank.jobbank.model.offer.OfferVO auto-retrieve=true auto-update=false auto-delete=false foreignkey field-ref=offerId/ /reference-descriptor /class-descriptor !-- Definitions for the OfferVO object which won't retrieve itself automatically -- class-descriptor class=com.jobbank.jobbank.model.offer.OfferVO table=offer auto-retrieve=true auto-update=false auto-delete=false field-descriptor name=offerId column=offerid jdbc-type=INTEGER primarykey=true / field-descriptor
RE: Paging performance issues
Hi 1) Using getStartAtIndex() and getEndAtIndex(): this sounds like an efficient way but if I look into the DB log there's no LIMIT option in the SQL query! This is really surprising isn't it? Currently, OJB does not attempt to use the LIMIT option. This is not particularly surprising, since the LIMIT option is not available on all databases, and, moreover, the syntax is wildly different between different database. 20 minutes research comes up with the following for different flavours of database. DB2 SELECT . FETCH FIRST n ROWS ONLY MS-SQLSELECT TOP n ... OracleSELECT ... WHERE rownum n and rownum m MySql SELECT ... LIMIT m,n PostGress SELECT ... LIMIT n OFFSET m HSQL SELECT m,n ... You'll note that they are very different. (I suspect that some of my syntax above maybe wrong - I just sat down with google and searched for a bit). You'll also note that I am not saying that OJB *shouldn't* support the ability to use the above syntaxes, just that it's not surprising that it doesn't. Cheers, Charles. ___ HPD Software Ltd. - Helping Business Finance Business Email terms and conditions: www.hpdsoftware.com/disclaimer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Opitimistic Lock with the PB API
Hello Arbona, -Original Message- From: Arbona Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to know how to use optimistic lock with the PB API. I know that I have to put a Lock Field as integer or timestamp, but how OJB manage it? When a record is considered as locked and when the lock is removed? You do not explicitely request or release a lock. It is simply that an OptimisticLockException is thrown during PersistenceBroker.store(x) in case x has been modfied after x has been read from the database. You can verify what is going on by switching on p6spy. HTH, Olli - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ojb and distributed applications
hi @all, i am an ojb newbie; any help is appreciated concerning the following questions: 1. ojb supports the definition of more than one jdbc-connection descriptor element at repository.xml; - does that mean, that persistent data could be stored across more than one physical database server? - how about distributed transactions? does ojb implement a 2-phase-commit transaction service? if not, is it possible to use an external JTS-compatible transaction manager, provided by a J2EE Container? 2. the docu says: OJB does connection pooling per default, expect for datasources - does that mean, that OJB can be used with external managed connection pooling (e.g. j2ee container connection pooling)? - how do i specify in repository.xml, whether a connection is of type datasource or not? thanx for helpin marty -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cascading Updates and Dirty Objects
I would like to use cascading update, but am concerned about the overhead involved in updating objects in the graph that have not changed. Would this modification make sense, or is it naive? 1. Create a new interface called IDirtyAware or something similar that contains an isDirty() method. Any object can optionally implement this interface. 2. In the executeUpdate() method of whoever implements the JdbcAccess interface (currently JdbcAccessImpl), a check is done against the object: a. if it doesn't implement IDirtyAware, processing continues as it does today. b. if it does implement IDirtyAware: 1. If dirty, processing continues as it does today. 2. If not dirty, no update is performed, but the object graph continues to be traversed. Possible? I imagine I'm missing something major, but I'd love to have something similar implemented. Gary __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to have the any type mapping as Hibernate?
Hi Archie, I will try to come out all the files needed to be modified in order to support interface traversing in nested field mapping and send it to your email address. The basic idea is that I introduce a new attribute called class-path to configure the concrete classes for abstract class and interface. This is a kind of polymorphic problems which seems not easy to solve as the original problem in this serie of discussions. I think a better solution is to find the concrete class dyanmically during object traversing in a nested path with the class information stored in a field of a row as you suggested in your mail. Regards, Rice --- Archie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello Thomas, Is there documentation about using DListImpl to support polymorphic? Or this feature just works in odmg api? how about other api? By the way, one feature in Hinbernate impress me is that it has a type called class to store the field's class as string (java.lang.getClass()). Only with a feild's class stored in a row, it is possible to implement ploymorphic. With serializable object stored as binary, much informatin is lost for doing query (for example, I just want query elements with some specific class in a containing object). Am I right? Another issue I met in mapping is when using nested field I must force my code to declare intermediate fields as concrete class, for example, InterfaceImpleClass instead of Interface. Otherwise, an error will happen when retrieving object from database. I search the mail list archive, Rice had posted a solution. But I still have this problem in rc4. Finally, I must say 'thank you' to all of you to provide OJB. I like it (though I seem raising too many mapping problems). I have used other commercial JDO compatiable products and I found they also have similar mapping problems. For OJB, it does quite good in OR mapping. For Hibernate, I do not like it much because it force me to wirte many setXXX methods for properties that should be read-only. For OJB, its instrumenation to object models is not much since the introduction of anonymous fields. cheers Archie hello Rice, Could you mail me the solution to the problem I mentioned in the above? thank you Archie Just have a look at the o.a.ojb.odmg.collections.DListImpl class. It is a list implementation that can hold elements of arbitrary persistent classes. The trick is that we store serialized Identity objects as pointers to the actual objects. If you look at the DListImpl code you will see how easy it is. --- Rice Yeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ªº°T®§¡G Hi Thomas, I am not familiar with ODMG but I will go to study it. One question needs your help, is it meant that in the mapping file for this DListImpl I do not need to configure the attribute element-class-ref for collection-descriptor tag? Regards, Rice --- Mahler Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rice, Hi, I have been using OJB for some period. I am taking a project left by a partner that uses Hinbernate for persistence. So I start studying Hibernate. Hibernate has a mapping function called any type mapping that is defined as the follows: The any mapping element defines a polymorphic association to classes from multiple tables. This type of mapping always requires more than one column. The first column holds the type of the associated entity. The remaining columns hold the identifier. It is impossible to specify a foreign key constraint for this kind of association, so this is most certainly not meant as the usual way of mapping (polymorphic) associations. This kind of mapping is quite useful when dealing with fields of java.lang.Object or interface. However, as I know, there is no such support in OJB. That's not true! OJB allows to build completely polymorphic mappings. Just have a look at the o.a.ojb.odmg.collections.DListImpl class. It is a list implementation that can hold elements of arbitrary persistent classes. The trick is that we store serialized Identity objects as pointers to the actual objects. If you look at the DListImpl code you will see how easy it is. cheers, Thomas I try to study the source code of OJB, but am still not able to figure out the way to modify it (The xml mapping handling code is a little hard to understand, just wonder if it is possible to re-write it with Jibx to make it more concise). Regards, Rice __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ - To unsubscribe,
RE: Paging performance issues
Le jeu 06/11/2003 à 08:57, Charles Anthony a écrit : Hi 1) Using getStartAtIndex() and getEndAtIndex(): this sounds like an efficient way but if I look into the DB log there's no LIMIT option in the SQL query! This is really surprising isn't it? Currently, OJB does not attempt to use the LIMIT option. This is not particularly surprising, since the LIMIT option is not available on all databases, and, moreover, the syntax is wildly different between different database. 20 minutes research comes up with the following for different flavours of database. DB2 SELECT . FETCH FIRST n ROWS ONLY MS-SQLSELECT TOP n ... OracleSELECT ... WHERE rownum n and rownum m MySql SELECT ... LIMIT m,n PostGress SELECT ... LIMIT n OFFSET m HSQL SELECT m,n ... Wow, thanks to the SQL standard! You'll note that they are very different. (I suspect that some of my syntax above maybe wrong - I just sat down with google and searched for a bit). You'll also note that I am not saying that OJB *shouldn't* support the ability to use the above syntaxes, just that it's not surprising that it doesn't. Yes IMHO I think OJB should really support these specific syntaxes. Without being a DB guru I can say that very big SELECT queries with LIMIT options could avoid serious overload, so I hope that one these days a courageous OJB hacker will try to implement it.. Vincent - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SQL Server and Oracle problems.
All, I am trying to compare different RDBMs. I can get all three (MySQL, MS SQL, and Oracle) working with one client. When I try to test the scaling abilities, MS SQL and Oracle choke. I can only get a few simultaneous connections. Seems unlimited with MySQL. I know this is not a DB problem since I am comparing this with EJB's and they scale as expected. I am able to use 50 clients with all three DBs. I have been using the MS Driver, JTDS, and JSQL for MS SQL; and the Oracle released driver. Complete failure with JTDS =Rollback on the underlying connection failed. And you cannot rollback during a managed transaction. This is deployed on JBoss. Only doing a simple SELECT * from table_name; Any clues? Thanks in advance! Tim Will provide any requested code/xml files. Pertinent snippets attached. SQL SERVER REPOSITORY_DATABASE.XML: jdbc-connection-descriptor jcd-alias=default default-connection=true platform=MsSQLServer jdbc-level=2.0 jndi-datasource-name=java:PeerReviewDS username=sa password= eager-release=false batch-mode=false useAutoCommit=0 ignoreAutoCommitExceptions=false # JBOSS DATASOURCES FOR MS SQL: MS DRIVER: datasources local-tx-datasource jndi-namePeerReviewDS/jndi-name connection-urljdbc:microsoft:sqlserver://myIPaddress:1433;SelectMethod =Cursor;database=peer_review_db/connection-url driver-classcom.microsoft.jdbc.sqlserver.SQLServerDriver/driver-class user-namesa/user-name password/password /local-tx-datasource /datasources # JSQL: datasources local-tx-datasource jndi-namePeerReviewDS/jndi-name connection-urljdbc:JSQLConnect://myIPAddress:1433/database=master/con nection-url driver-classcom.jnetdirect.jsql.JSQLDriver/driver-class user-namesa/user-name password/password /local-tx-datasource /datasources # JTDS: datasources local-tx-datasource jndi-namePeerReviewDS/jndi-name connection-urljdbc:jtds:sqlserver://myIPAddress;SelectMethod=C ursor;DatabaseName=peer_review_db/connection-url driver-classnet.sourceforge.jtds.jdbc.Driver/driver-class user-namesa/user-name password/password /local-tx-datasource /datasources # ORACLE REPOSITORY_DATABASE.xml: jdbc-connection-descriptor jcd-alias=default default-connection=true platform=Oracle9i jdbc-level=2.0 jndi-datasource-name=java:PeerReviewDS username=prdatauser password=password eager-release=false batch-mode=false useAutoCommit=0 ignoreAutoCommitExceptions=false # JBOSS DATASOURCE FOR ORACLE: datasources local-tx-datasource jndi-namePeerReviewDS/jndi-name connection-urljdbc:oracle:thin:@myIPAddress:1521:prdata/connection-ur l driver-classoracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver/driver-class user-nameprdatauser/user-name passwordpassword/password exception-sorter-class-nameorg.jboss.resource.adapter.jdbc.vendor.Orac leExceptionSorter/exception-sorter-class-name /local-tx-datasource /datasources # CONNECTIONFACTORYCLASS=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFacto ryManagedImpl # TYPICAL REPOSITORY_USER.XML ENTRY class-descriptor class=perlgen.TDefectType table=T_Defect_Type field-descriptor name=defect_type_id column=Defect_Type_ID jdbc-type=INTEGER primarykey=true/ field-descriptor name=severity column=Severity jdbc-type=VARCHAR/ field-descriptor name=description column=Description jdbc-type=VARCHAR/ /class-descriptor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PhillyJug OJB (and Spring) Presentation
Thomas Risberg (Spring developer) and I have been asked to do a combined presentation on OJB and Spring at an upcoming PhillyJUG meeting and we need to figure out what exactly we are going to present. Anyone have any suggestions? -Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SQL Server and Oracle problems.
Just an update. I took the problem off line and tried it command line. I am able to get multiple clients with both SQL Server and Oracle. Perhaps it is something with JBoss? Any suggestions welcome. Tim -Original Message- From: Cobble, Tim Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:30 PM To: OJB Users List Subject: SQL Server and Oracle problems. All, I am trying to compare different RDBMs. I can get all three (MySQL, MS SQL, and Oracle) working with one client. When I try to test the scaling abilities, MS SQL and Oracle choke. I can only get a few simultaneous connections. Seems unlimited with MySQL. I know this is not a DB problem since I am comparing this with EJB's and they scale as expected. I am able to use 50 clients with all three DBs. I have been using the MS Driver, JTDS, and JSQL for MS SQL; and the Oracle released driver. Complete failure with JTDS =Rollback on the underlying connection failed. And you cannot rollback during a managed transaction. This is deployed on JBoss. Only doing a simple SELECT * from table_name; Any clues? Thanks in advance! Tim Will provide any requested code/xml files. Pertinent snippets attached. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it any taglib for OJB?
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Re: Inheritance delete
Ciao Danilo,
your solution and OJB works well!
Was another silly newbie question ;-)
Thank you
Danilo Tommasina wrote:
hi,
this means that a ShopTransaction is composed by a ShopTransaction
and a Transaction database entries. Because of the flag
auto-delete=true what you are experiencing is absolutely normal.
Also you have 2 entries in different tables for one ShopTransaction
instance, deleting the ShopTransaction will remove the entries in
the 2 tables.
Is exactly what I want! When is deleted the record with
transaction_id = 2041 in table ShopTransaction, the delete action
should be propagated to table Transaction, but in my log I've 2
delete: a delete on table ShopTransaction with transaction_id = 2022
and a delete in table Transaction_id=2042
uh, there is nothing wrong about this, you have 2 db entries so so you
need 2 DELETE statements, the Transaction has a foreignkey on
ShopTransaction's primary key, however there is no constraint that
says Transaction.transactionId must be equal to
ShopTransaction.transactionId
Now you could just make ShopTransaction.transactionId an anonymous
field so that it will not appear in you object model and just use
Transaction.transactionId as your object's primary key.
transaction = new ShopTransaction();
transaction.setTransaction_id(transaction_id);
Criteria crit = new Criteria();
crit.addEqualTo(transaction_id, new
Integer(transaction_id));
Query query =
QueryFactory.newQuery(ShopTransaction.class,crit);
1. you should declare transaction as local method variable and not
use a class variable
2. you do not need to generate a query (you don't do anything with
it anyways in this piece of code)
when deleting an instance (and the primary key is set) OJB should
manage to delete the correct object even if it has not been
completely materialised, so you do not need to do any query.
1. I've seen this example in the tutorial. I don't understand how
this can make the difference.
2. How can I get and delete a ShopTransaction (and Transaction) with
a specified transaction_id without instantiate a new ShopTransaction ?
Thank you
Ok try this code:
Criteria c= new Criteria();
c.addEqualTo( super.transactionId, new Integer( transactionId ) );
The only correction is
c.addEqualTo( transaction_id, new Integer( transactionId ) );
Query q= new QueryByCriteria( ShopTransaction.class, c );
broker.beginTransaction();
Object obj= broker.getObjectByQuery( q );
if ( obj != null ) {
broker.delete( obj );
}
broker.commitTransaction();
(I didn't try the code, I hope there is no syntax error)
bye
danilo
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Re: ReportQueryRsIterator
hi dougall,
i'll have a look at startIndex for Iterators. endIndex is imo not possible.
jakob
Dougall Squair wrote:
Hi,
Should the class org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ReportQueryRsIterator
also set the cursor position
e.g. Like the code in
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl#getCollectionByQuery(Class
collectionClass, Class itemClass, Query query)
int startAt = query.getStartAtIndex();
int endAt = query.getEndAtIndex();
if (startAt 1)
{
// needs to be just before startAt, as next() is called for
first result.
iter.absolute(startAt - 1);
}
if (endAt startAt)
{
// BRJ : make sure endAt startAt
endAt = iter.size() + 1;
}
at the moment report queries seems to be ignoring the startAt and endAt
values which have been set within a Query.
Regards
Dougall
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Re: Simple performance improvement Re: m:n relations mapping...
hi andy, oliver,
the patch is checked in.
olli please have a look at the method _storeCollections_ when time
permits, i think it needs refactoring.
jakob
Andy Malakov wrote:
Thanks.
In my case eliminating extra SELECT and DELETE for MtoNImplementor (as described below) made batch inserts 5 times faster.
- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:06 AM
Subject: RE: Simple performance improvement Re: m:n relations mapping...
Hello Andy,
I will have a look at it when I have time.
Please post messages like this to the OJB
users' or developers' list.
Thank you,
Olli
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From: Andy Malakov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Simple performance improvement Re: m:n relations mapping...
Excellent.
Now how about going one step further and eliminating extra SELECT ? :-)))
We do not need to retrieve link table entries in case of new objects.
Class: org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl:
Method: storeCollections(Object obj, Vector vecCds, boolean insert)
Line: 789
Now:
...
if (cds.isMtoNRelation())
{
currentMtoNKeys = getMtoNImplementor(cds, obj);
// delete unused m:n implementors
if (!insert)
{
deleteMtoNImplementor(cds, obj, (Collection)col, currentMtoNKeys);
}
}
Better:
...
if (cds.isMtoNRelation())
{
if (insert) {
currentMtoNKeys = java.util.Collections.EMPTY_LIST; // assume no
link table entries exist for new objects
} else {
currentMtoNKeys = getMtoNImplementor(cds, obj);
// delete unused m:n implementors
deleteMtoNImplementor (cds, obj, (Collection) col,
currentMtoNKeys);
}
}
I tested it with P6SPY - the above fix makes extra SELECTs disappear.
This two fixes make batch inserts of complex object work faster :-)
Thanks a lot for you product,
Andy
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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:41 AM
Subject: RE: Simple performance improvement Re: m:n relations mapping...
Hello,
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am uncertain whether we should fix it because it does
mean a (very minor) change of behaviour. I tend to 'yes'.
I have just committed a fix.
Olli
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Smart Count
Hello everyone, What would be the smarter way to do a count on an entity based on a criteria? I believe that getting the Collection (using getCollectionByQuery()) and then size() is not the best way to that using OJB is it? Cheers, Dani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
General Questions about ODMG API
Hi, I am new to OJB and I would like to read some more documentation about ODMG. Are there any (general) documents about ODMG available (free on the internet)? The ODMG seems to have stopped its activities. Or is there any opensource application that uses OJB and the ODMG api where I could learn anything. Thanks in advance. Soeren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Load Object References for GetObject() but not GetAllObjects()
Hi If I use auto-retrieve to automatically load collection objects for my object graph e.g. getChannel() loads the full object graph as shown 0..* 0..* Channel -Product---Fund But if I wish to provide just a list of Channel names for a select box I do not wish to return the entire object graph for each Channel. IOW if Channel.name is a String I just want a collection of Strings, each being a channel name. Is that possible? And if so, how? Thanks Shane Shane Mingins Analyst Programmer Assure NZ Ltd Ph 644 494 2522 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
