[old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question

[Ron]

I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing things 
like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc.  I have a chance to get a later 
model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova.  I realize this isn't keeping it 
stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar and how much 
work will it be.  I assume that engine mounts may need to be changed and the 
transmission may not be a direct swap either.   And I probably can't keep the 
foot starter.

Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.

Ron





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RE: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question

[Goulet, John A.]

I have a friend with a 1946  which has almost the identical engine in it  
(early 60s 235).  He still has the original tranny as well as the foot starter. 
 I don't think the engine mounts were modified, either.

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I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing things 
like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc. I have a chance to get a later 
model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova. I realize this isn't keeping it 
stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar and how much 
work will it be. I assume that engine mounts may need to be changed and the 
transmission may not be a direct swap either. And I probably can't keep the 
foot starter.

Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.

Ron



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[old-chevy-truck] dual master cylinder

[dbay2fam]

 I would like to put a dual master cylinder in my 55 1st series truck. Has 
anybody done this and what problems do I expect to come across. I'm doing this 
for safety reasons. An has anybody put power brake booster on their truck and 
does the transmission cross-member have to be changed or modified. Thank you 
for all the good information that the group gives out.





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[old-chevy-truck] Re: Engine swap Question

[wbn...@sbcglobal.net]

The 230 would be good choice for a modern inline engine.  Some v8 parts fit it 
(pistons, bearings, clutch, flywheel, etc.). The bell housing pattern is same 
as a v8.

With a new intake manifold, you can use a 4 barrel carb.
HEI distributor is available as bolt in.

New engine mounts will have to be made or buy from Chassis Engineering.

No, the foot starter would not work unless you fix it with an electric push 
button controlled by the foot.
Your original bell housing & transmission will not bolt to it unless you use an 
adapter plate. 
With the 230, that would be a good time to upgrade transmission to a 5 speed 
overdrive or an automatic with an open drive rear from an S10 four wheel drive.

Your radiator may have to move forward if using a mechanical fan, or use an 
electric for clearance.  This depends on where you set the engine.  Once set up 
with the 230,
You could always change to a V8 in its place, later if wanted. 

The other reply about the 235 is totally a different mod.  It will almost bolt 
in, in place of the original engine, using same bell housing and transmission.  
 The 230 is not as easy as explained above.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.

Just my Thoughts,
Walt


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>
> I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing things 
> like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc.  I have a chance to get a later 
> model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova.  I realize this isn't keeping 
> it stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar and how 
> much work will it be.  I assume that engine mounts may need to be changed and 
> the transmission may not be a direct swap either.   And I probably can't keep 
> the foot starter.
> 
> Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.
> 
> Ron
>






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Re: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

[Kent S. Butler]

From: Kent S. Butler 
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oletrucks 
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:21:43 PM
Subject: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

  
Fellow ole truckers:

Looking for a little guidance.  I want to begin to learn how to weld so I need 
to get a basic MIG welder.  Attached is a link from Northern Tool (part 
# 164611 

in case the link doesn't work).  Please let me have your thoughts on it.  Would 
like to keep the budget around $350.  Just need something basic (as I have no 
welding experience) to start out with and if I get into it then I can step up 
to 

a better name like Millermatic or something.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332691_200332691?cm_sp=Upsells-_-Top%20Sellers-_-Product%20Page


 
 
Thanks in advance and look forward to hearing opinions.
 
 
Kent S Butler
'56 Chev 3100
Houston, TX

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RE: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

[corvallis]

Most Community Colleges and Junior Colleges offer night and weekend courses
in welding. You might start there before you invest. .bill in corvallis

  _  


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Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:21:43 PM
Subject: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

  
Fellow ole truckers:

Looking for a little guidance.  I want to begin to learn how to weld so I
need 
to get a basic MIG welder.  Attached is a link from Northern Tool (part #
164611 

in case the link doesn't work).  Please let me have your thoughts on it.
Would 
like to keep the budget around $350.  Just need something basic (as I have
no 
welding experience) to start out with and if I get into it then I can step
up to 
a better name like Millermatic or something.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332691_200332691?cm_sp=Ups
ells-_-Top%20Sellers-_-Product%20Page

Thanks in advance and look forward to hearing opinions.
Kent S Butler
'56 Chev 3100
Houston, TX  



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[old-chevy-truck] Re: MIG Welder Opinion

[Kent S. Butler]

Sorry, I guess my email came through blank.

I really appreciate all of the feeback that I received.  Now that my head has 
stopped spinning (I think??), I will head back to the drawing boards.  Classes 
at the local community college is a great idea and I never thought about 
thatI will definetly be looking into it.

One of the good brand names (miller, licoln, etc.) is what I would like to end 
up getting but was looking for something inexpensive and basic just to get an 
idea of how things work before dropping a lot of money.  Have been searching 
craigslist but come up ended handed so far.

Once again, I really appreciated everyone's thoughts and feedback.

Kent S Butler
'56 Chevy 3100
Houston, TX





From: Kent S. Butler 
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oletrucks ; old_chevroletgmctru...@yahoogroups.com; 
oletrucks ; old_chevroletgmctru...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 9:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

  



From: Kent S. Butler 
To: old_chevroletgmctru...@yahoogroups.com; old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com; 
oletrucks 
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:21:43 PM
Subject: [old-chevy-truck] MIG Welder Opinion

  
Fellow ole truckers:

Looking for a little guidance.  I want to begin to learn how to weld so I need 
to get a basic MIG welder.  Attached is a link from Northern Tool (part 
# 164611 


in case the link doesn't work).  Please let me have your thoughts on it.  Would 
like to keep the budget around $350.  Just need something basic (as I have no 
welding experience) to start out with and if I get into it then I can step up 
to 


a better name like Millermatic or something.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332691_200332691?cm_sp=Upsells-_-Top%20Sellers-_-Product%20Page


 
 
Thanks in advance and look forward to hearing opinions.
 
 
Kent S Butler
'56 Chev 3100
Houston, TX

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Re: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question

[James Tye]

On the con side, a 250 or 292 would be better.  On the pro side, V8 conversion 
mounts should work, since those year cars were designed for either engine.


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Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question
To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com
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I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing things 
like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc. I have a chance to get a later 
model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova. I realize this isn't keeping it 
stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar and how much 
work will it be. I assume that engine mounts may need to be changed and the 
transmission may not be a direct swap either. And I probably can't keep the 
foot starter.

Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.

Ron








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[old-chevy-truck] RED RYDER BLUES - COOLING AND CHARGING SYSTEMS

[tikuayla]

Howdy Boys and Girls, well, RED RYDER and I made it to Payson Arizona, 
Thursday, for a weekend of Rodeo; however poor ol' RED RYDER had some serious 
OVER HEATING problems.  A friendly garage mechanic tried to help us out by 
installing a 160 degree thermostat and a new 7 pound radiator cap, but to no 
avail.  RED RYDER had to ride on two 'flat bed' haulers; once back into Payson 
and also a ride home, from Payson, back to Gilbert, AZ.

RED RYDER has a stock 216 with the stock old time fan on the water pump pulley. 
 I would appreciate some input as to the options I have to upgrade, fix, repair 
and/or improve RED RYDER's cooling system.

A few ideas given me by well meaning folks, up in Payson, who were sad to see 
that RED RYDER would NOT be in Saturday's Rodeo parade (maybe next year).

1.  Flush out the engine.

2.  Recore and/or repair the existing radiator, or replace it and increase 
number of rows.

3.  Install a fan shroud.

4.  Install a light weight, modern, more efficient fan.

5.  Install electric thermostat controlled radiator fans.

6.  Buy and install a complete street rod radiator/fan shroud/electric fans 
system  

Next:  RED RYDER's electrical charging challenge.   When RED RYDER is at idle, 
the charging system goes into a deep discharge; noted on the amp gauge and the 
lights dimming considerably.   RED RYDER has a 12 volt system with an 
alternator that has four wires connected to it and there is no voltage 
regulator.  It is my understanding that there is an alternator set up that 
charges fully, as needed, even when the RPM's are low.  Would you all, please, 
give me your input as to what I might do to improve RED RYDER's charging system 
to prevent the deep discharge/dimming lights situation?  

Sure do wish I coulda been in that parade and gone to the dance after the 
Rodeo, tonight, but, at least I am in my nice cool air conditioned home.

Charlie, not driving that cool RED RYDER, today..





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Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: initial static timing settings

[G. Kelly]

Nate,

That happened to me once 50+ years ago on my 1940 61 cube during my first 
try at starting it after I finished a rebuild.  The whole family was 
standing there watching.  As I was picking myself up off the ground a few 
feet away my Father, who knew my mistake, said, "Here, I'll start it and 
take the first spin on it."  He sure did spin too.  He lost control on the 
gravel road out front and rode it into an irrigation canal on the far side. 
As I stood on the bank looking at my Harley in the canal he came climbing up 
the bank saying, "Don't panic!  I'll run down to my shop and bring the 
wrecker back.  We'll get it out."

Thanks for the memories, Nate.

Garnet


Old farts & old methods often work out very well on old machines...

When I lived in Guatemala City ,m the locals always liked my '37 EL 
KnucklHead and wanted to drive it so I left the spark fully advanced and 
told them ' if you can start it , you can ride it ' ~ lotta fools went 
flying over the handle bars , some lost the heels off their shoes .

Whatcha got ? a Scout ? .

-Nate





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Re: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question

[Bruce Ioppini]

Why not just put in another 235 (or better yet, 261). Everything bolts up, but 
make sure you put one in with the front motor mount and not the side.  I used a 
261 in my 38 and it fit except had to put in timing gear cover with motor mount 
holes in the front to replace the side mounts. Even the floor starter works, 
everything!!    Bruce

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From: Ron 
Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question
To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 4:59 AM







 



  



  
  
  I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing 
things like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc.  I have a chance to get a 
later model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova.  I realize this isn't 
keeping it stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar 
and how much work will it be.  I assume that engine mounts may need to be 
changed and the transmission may not be a direct swap either.   And I probably 
can't keep the foot starter.



Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.



Ron






 





 



  






  

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[old-chevy-truck] Re: Engine swap Question

[wbn...@sbcglobal.net]

The v8 frame mounts could work but you have to offset the engine mount to 
match.  They are not in the same location in factory equipped cars/trucks.  
There is a V8 frame mount and a 6 cyl. frame mount.

Your easiest and fastest way is to put in a 235 or 261 as suggested.

The 194, 230, 250 are of one design and the 292 block is taller.  They can all 
use the same head.  These engines are of total different design and fit of 
accessories than the 235/261.

I would suggest finding a 235 or 261 unless you want to fab and make fit 
everything.
The 235/261 can use your existing bell housing, transmission and closed drive.
The 230 group will not use these unless you have an adaptor built and that is 
big  for a machine shop.   


Just my Thoughts,
Walt

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> On the con side, a 250 or 292 would be better.  On the pro side, V8 
> conversion mounts should work, since those year cars were designed for either 
> engine.
> 
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> 
> From: Ron 
> Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Engine swap Question
> To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 4:59 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> I have a 54 1/2 ton with an engine in an unknown condition and missing things 
> like carbs, air filter, generator, coil, etc. I have a chance to get a later 
> model 230 6 cylinder from an early 60's Nova. I realize this isn't keeping it 
> stock, but I'm curious if others may have done something similiar and how 
> much work will it be. I assume that engine mounts may need to be changed and 
> the transmission may not be a direct swap either. And I probably can't keep 
> the foot starter.
> 
> Any suggestions pro or con would be appreciated.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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