Incorrect Information About AOO 3.4

[Dave Barton]

FileHippo.com is a very popular download site for free software and for
many years they have been offering OOo binaries for download. They are
now offering
Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe from this
page: http://www.filehippo.com/download_openoffice/

While this is good for user awareness of our first release, some of the
information on that download page is incorrect and in one part totally
misleading:

... And it's free

Best of all, OpenOffice.org can be downloaded and used entirely free of
any licence fees. OpenOffice.org is released under the LGPL licence.
This means you may use it for any purpose - domestic, commercial,
educational, public administration.

Note: As of April 2011, commercial development of OpenOffice.org project
has been terminated. LibreOffice, a fork of OpenOffice is now available
for download here.


Last week I contacted FileHippo.com requesting changes to that page,
even offering to rewrite the page with the correct information, but have
not yet received any response. Unfortunately, the only means of
contacting them, that I can find, is via a web form:
http://www.filehippo.com/info/contact/ It may encourage the FileHippo
website maintainers to update the information about our software if
other project members were to also contact them requesting this change.

Dave

Re: MediaWiki update

[imacat]

Dear all,

I applied some fixes.  This problem around the math plugin should be
fixed.  Please check and confirm if this issue still exists.

Page to check Math formulas against:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina

Bugzilla issue ticket:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119398

Fixes:
* Compiled texvc
* Installed texlive-latex-base
* Cleaned-up math cache

On 2012/05/22 03:42, Dennis E. Hamilton said:
> I created this issue 
> 
> 
> to capture the requests related to addition of MediaWiki extensions along 
> with the upgrade.
> 
> It seemed like a good idea to use a stable location.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Claudio Filho [mailto:filh...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:12
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: imacat
> Subject: Re: MediaWiki update
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> 2012/5/21 Regina Henschel :
>> If you are working in that area, please have also a look, whether texvc is
>> correctly installed and actual. I still get rendering errors, see for
>> example bottom of http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina
> 
> I saw. We haven't the extention Math.
> 
> @Imacat, please, add to list more this:
> 
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math
> 
> Thanks,
> Claudio
> 


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Re: [AUTOSAVE] Where is

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 05/25/2012 11:59 PM, Kayo Hamid wrote:
Hello, i'm having problems with autosave and want to see around the 
code, where is the implementation?


ooo/trunk/main/framework/qa/complex/framework/autosave ?

Thanks,
Kayo Hamid.

What problem are you chasing? Is it a problem with disappearing 
graphics? If yes, is it something like this: 
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33393


If yes, I may have some extra information...

--
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My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: AOO 2 million?

[drew jensen]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 21:46 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, drew  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 
> >> >> >> 3.4
> >> >> >> install downloads.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > why not! :)
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> >> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> >> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> >> >> OpenOffice.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > this definitely makes sense...
> >> >
> >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with 
> >> > Apache.
> >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
> >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
> >> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
> >> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
> >> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
> >>
> >> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
> >> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
> >> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
> >> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
> >> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony
> > announcement?
> >
> 
> Don was working on something.  Check his posts.
> 


Hi Rob

Yes indeed I have read read his posts on the subject along with the other 
emails in the thread(s).

For some reason I thought you where adding something beyond that, or
rather mentioning something other then that.

Thanks.

//drew

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, drew  wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4
>> >> >> install downloads.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > why not! :)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.    But after this I suggest we only
>> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
>> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
>> >> OpenOffice.
>> >>
>> >
>> > this definitely makes sense...
>> >
>> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache.
>> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
>> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
>> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
>> >
>>
>> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
>> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
>> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
>> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
>>
>> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
>> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony
> announcement?
>

Don was working on something.  Check his posts.

-Rob


> Thanks,
>
> //drew
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> A good problem to have ;-)
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
>> >> >> working on?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > yes...good idea!
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > 
>> >> > MzK
>> >> >
>> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> >> >                              -- Mark Twain
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> >                                 -- Mark Twain
>>
>
>

AOO 3.4 downloads by language and country

[Rob Weir]

The following lists the top 10 countries for downloads of each AOO 3.4
NL install.

Downloads have come from 226 countries.  26 countries saw more than
10,000 downloads, 78 countries had more than 1,000 downloads, and 147
had more than 100 downloads.  Four countries had only a single
download each:  Guinea-Bissau, Wallis and Futuna, Eritrea, and Chad.

(And yes, we have three downloads, of the Italian version, from the
Vatican City).

Aside from showing the diversity of our users, and the complexity of
language distributions, it suggests some gaps.   For example, look at
the top non-English speaking countries that have downloaded the en_US
version: Sweden, Romania, Poland, Indonesia.  So strong interest in
AOO in those countries.  Maybe we should reach out for volunteer to
help update those translations?

There maybe be other patterns here that others can discern and point out.

Regards,

-Rob


===ar===
Saudi Arabia,610
Egypt,305
Algeria,289
United States,229
Bahrain,151
United Kingdom,96
United Arab Emirates,89
Kuwait,65
Yemen,64
Jordan,59

===cs===
Czech Republic,15460
Slovakia,625
France,128
Germany,54
United Kingdom,42
United States,41
Austria,15
Poland,13
Spain,12
Switzerland,10

===de===
Germany,179632
Austria,13946
Switzerland,9725
Italy,504
Luxembourg,480
Spain,477
United States,445
United Kingdom,403
France,389
Netherlands,239


===en-US===
United States,362076
United Kingdom,67711
Canada,39174
India,29516
Australia,24010
Sweden,11607
Romania,11340
Poland,10692
Indonesia,9264
Germany,8970

===es===
Spain,66036
Mexico,18529
Argentina,15254
Colombia,7893
Chile,7667
Venezuela,4093
Peru,3341
Uruguay,2910
Ecuador,1739
Costa Rica,1385


===fr===
France,229814
Belgium,15948
Canada,11222
Switzerland,5547
Morocco,3417
Algeria,2377
Reunion,2251
Tunisia,1862
Guadeloupe,912
Martinique,844

===gl===
Spain,391
Germany,76
Portugal,22
United States,15
United Kingdom,8
Sweden,5
Switzerland,4
Mexico,3
France,2
Argentina,2

===hu===
Hungary,7553
Romania,235
France,127
United Kingdom,78
Slovakia,77
Germany,65
Serbia,50
United States,37
Sweden,28
Austria,28

===it===
Italy,186920
Switzerland,1102
France,362
Germany,330
United States,286
United Kingdom,285
Spain,274
Romania,134
Brazil,86
Belgium,78


===ja===
Japan,31379
United States,304
China,191
France,147
Taiwan,64
United Kingdom,55
Thailand,50
Canada,44
Australia,44
Korea,38


===nl===
Netherlands,23112
Belgium,11910
France,220
Germany,171
Spain,127
United States,92
United Kingdom,89
Switzerland,66
Portugal,59
Sweden,33

===pt-BR===
Brazil,15824
Portugal,571
France,282
United States,164
Spain,52
United Kingdom,43
Germany,38
Japan,37
Argentina,33
Switzerland,27


===ru===
Russia,74254
Ukraine,14194
Kazakhstan,1378
Belarus,1371
Latvia,878
Germany,659
Moldova,588
Estonia,568
Israel,357
France,239

===zh-CN===
China,12045
United States,476
Hong Kong,412
France,263
Taiwan,177
Canada,151
Singapore,148
Malaysia,146
Japan,129
Australia,113

===zh-TW===
Taiwan,27666
Hong Kong,8921
China,617
United States,276
Macao,261
France,140
Canada,105
Australia,103
Japan,58
United Kingdom,54

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Greg Roberts]

Guys, 
I'm not part of the PPMC, but, I do have an opinion on this topic if it 
matters? :D I think that the easier it is for the AOO population to reach 
grandma Freeda in Kansas that doesn't know the real difference or use the 
features of the office suites they are currently being charged for within the 
sale of most computers. Can be easily misdirected by the "Vendors/Conmen" who 
sell the AOO products and don't offer any value add to the customer. 

Abandoning the old domain names would be a major opening for these folks to 
exploit the populations that are not skilled enough to understand all the 
"magic" that is offered for their productivity and enjoyment from 
the wonderful and skilled groups like this one. 

Greg Roberts  



 From: Fernando Cassia 
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?
 
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Of course, the easy decision is simply to say "yes" to everything.
> But unless the ASF gets free registrations, this is a cost that will
> need to be handled on an ongoing basis.
>

Suppose we're speaking about 10 domains, I don't think $100 /year is going
to break the ASF's coffers, or does it?.

http://www.maddogdomains.com/?isc=mddgdic04&gclid=CMH82K_gnLACFQKCnQodP1NCYA
.com $8.17/yr
.org  $7/yr

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

Re: AOO 2 million?

[drew]

On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4
> >> >> install downloads.
> >> >>
> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > why not! :)
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> >> OpenOffice.
> >>
> >
> > this definitely makes sense...
> >
> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache.
> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> >
> 
> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
> 
> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.

Hi,

Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony
announcement?

Thanks,

//drew

> 
> >
> >
> >> A good problem to have ;-)
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
> >> >> working on?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > yes...good idea!
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > 
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> >> >  -- Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > MzK
> >
> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > -- Mark Twain
> 

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4
>>> >> install downloads.
>>> >>
>>> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > why not! :)
>>> >
>>>
>>> OK. I'll work with Don on this.    But after this I suggest we only
>>> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
>>> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
>>> OpenOffice.
>>>
>>
>> this definitely makes sense...
>>
>> We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache.
>> Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
>> note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
>> environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
>>
>
> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
>

Just checked and we're at 1.98 million.  So we'll hit 2 million later
this evening.   I'll start the write-up.

-Rob

> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>
>>
>>
>>> A good problem to have ;-)
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
>>> >> working on?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > yes...good idea!
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> -Rob
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > 
>>> > MzK
>>> >
>>> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>>> >                              -- Mark Twain
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 
>> MzK
>>
>> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>>                                 -- Mark Twain

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Ross Gardler]

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 26, 2012 9:19 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, drew jensen 
wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> >> On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we
> >> downplayed
> >> > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog
posts,
> >> > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is
to have
> >> > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice.
> >> >
> >> > Hi Ross,
> >> >
> >> > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.
> >>
> >> Of course. Will we then have silence?
> >>
> >> Oh, and your welcome.
> >
> > I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did
> > more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more
> > substance at this point.
> >
> > For instance:
> >
> > How are strategic goals going to be set?
> >
>
> In a volunteer project with varying priorities, strategy is more of an
> average of our individual interests than some a priori that we agree
> on.

Yes, but individuals can say "my interest and effort is in the area of..."

> > What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user
> > computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they?
> >
>
> Where there is interest, volunteers make things happen.

Right, so let's have those volunteers speak...

> > Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work,
> > is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see
> > that start to change.
> >
>
> Proactive talk is still just talk.  IMHO we need more action and less
> talk.  In fact lazy consensus, JFDI and CTR are designed to reduce
> unnecessary discussion.

We need action on community development too. The community is not
struggling, but more contributors are good (if only to mange natural
attrition). JFDI and CTR are only useful if there are people able to JFDI
and CTR.

Community development is about sending out positive messages.

Remember this thread is not about development strategy, it is about
marketing strategy.

Ross

Re: Download charts (prototype)

[Kay Schenk]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> http://people.apache.org/~robweir/aoo-downloads.html
>
> The data is in a text file
> (http://people.apache.org/~robweir/data.txt) which is generated using
> the SourceForge REST API plus some python, a variation of the script I
> uploaded earlier
> (
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/devtools/aoo-stats/aoo-stats.py
> )
>
> Right now those two processes are unconnected.  I generate the data on
> my laptop and upload an updated data.txt.  Ideally I'd like to migrate
> this to openoffice.org and  automate this by running the python script
> via cron on a daily basis.
>

These are nice...yes a dynamic update mechanism would be super!


> -Rob
>



-- 

MzK

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 -- Mark Twain

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, drew jensen  wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
>> On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew"  wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we
>> downplayed
>> > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts,
>> > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have
>> > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice.
>> >
>> > Hi Ross,
>> >
>> > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.
>>
>> Of course. Will we then have silence?
>>
>> Oh, and your welcome.
>
> I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did
> more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more
> substance at this point.
>
> For instance:
>
> How are strategic goals going to be set?
>

In a volunteer project with varying priorities, strategy is more of an
average of our individual interests than some a priori that we agree
on.  Of course, we might have short-term or median-term goals that we
collectively execute on.  But this particular project growing so fast
that long-term strategy is "whatever we do", since the stakeholders of
the project are constantly shifting.   We're not going to have a
stable "long term strategy" while we are still voting in PPMC members
every other day, and seeing new companies join every other week.  Not
a bad thing, just a reflection that stability of goals assumes a
stability of stakeholders.

> What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user
> computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they?
>

Where there is interest, volunteers make things happen.  We see that
with the *BSD, OS/2 and Solaris ports.  If someone is interested in
testing with Windows 8 then we will support that.  There is nothing
magical here.  No one can compel volunteers to work on a particular
task,

> There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I
> see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in
> emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that
> happen?
>

It didn't.  Maybe a language misunderstanding?

> I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group,
> removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for
> years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make
> your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with
> that, or will it?
>

If someone wants to, they are welcome to remove dead code.  If someone
wants to do this, but doesn't know how, then they are welcome to ask
for assistance.  But I wouldn't assume that anyone wants to do that.
It sounds like dreadfully boring work.

> Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work,
> is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see
> that start to change.
>

Proactive talk is still just talk.  IMHO we need more action and less
talk.  In fact lazy consensus, JFDI and CTR are designed to reduce
unnecessary discussion.

That said, if anyone feels unable to do something they want to do, for
lack of a documented "5-year plan for the project", then they should
speak up ;-)

-Rob

> //drew
>
>
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
>> > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
>> > > >  wrote:
>> > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've
>> done
>> > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put
>> together. It
>> > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more
>> > > > important
>> > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing.
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
>> > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
>> > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
>> > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
>> > > >
>> > > > Roberto
>> > > >
>> > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to
>> use.
>> > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are
>> milestones
>> > > > to
>> > > > > hang these things from.
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ross
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
>> > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" 
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > wrote:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012

Please reopen 57395 (do not read /etc/adabasrc for OpenOffice.org)

[NoOp]

soffice shell script is again attempting to read /etc/adabasrc. Please
see my comment #5 at:

Please reopen this bug report.

Thanks

Gary

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Ross Gardler]

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "drew jensen"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we
> > downplayed
> > > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog
posts,
> > > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to
have
> > > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice.
> > >
> > > Hi Ross,
> > >
> > > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.
> >
> > Of course. Will we then have silence?
> >
> > Oh, and your welcome.
>
> I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did
> more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more
> substance at this point.

+1000 (including your further comments below)

Ross


>
> For instance:
>
> How are strategic goals going to be set?
>
> What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user
> computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they?
>
> There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I
> see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in
> emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that
> happen?
>
> I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group,
> removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for
> years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make
> your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with
> that, or will it?
>
> Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work,
> is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see
> that start to change.
>
> //drew
>
>
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > >
> > > //drew
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that
I've
> > done
> > > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put
> > together. It
> > > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look
more
> > > > > important
> > > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to
community
> > > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than
happy
> > > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who
wants
> > > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto
> > > > >
> > > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the
project to
> > use.
> > > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are
> > milestones
> > > > > to
> > > > > > hang these things from.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk <
> > kay.sch...@gmail.com
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8
million
> > for
> > > > > AOO
> > > > > >> 3.4
> > > > > >> > > >> install downloads.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we
hit 2
> > > > > million.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > why not! :)
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I
suggest we
> > only
> > > > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we
will
> > spend
> > > > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time
> > improving
> > > > > >> > > OpenOffice.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > this definitely makes sense...
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice
> > with
> > > > > >> Apache.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other
milestones!
> > :))
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is
right,
> > might
> > > > > make
> > > > > >> > note of this and include a mention o

Re: AOO 2 million?

[drew jensen]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew"  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we
> downplayed
> > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts,
> > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have
> > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice.
> >
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.
> 
> Of course. Will we then have silence?
> 
> Oh, and your welcome.

I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did
more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more
substance at this point.

For instance:

How are strategic goals going to be set?

What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user
computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they?
 
There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I
see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in
emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that
happen?

I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group,
removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for
years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make
your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with
that, or will it?

Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work,
is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see
that start to change.

//drew


> 
> Ross
> 
> >
> > //drew
> >
> > >
> > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
> > > > >
> > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've
> done
> > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put
> together. It
> > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more
> > > > important
> > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
> > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
> > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
> > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
> > > >
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to
> use.
> > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are
> milestones
> > > > to
> > > > > hang these things from.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ross
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  > > > >> >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk <
> kay.sch...@gmail.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million
> for
> > > > AOO
> > > > >> 3.4
> > > > >> > > >> install downloads.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2
> > > > million.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > why not! :)
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we
> only
> > > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will
> spend
> > > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time
> improving
> > > > >> > > OpenOffice.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > this definitely makes sense...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice
> with
> > > > >> Apache.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones!
> :))
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right,
> might
> > > > make
> > > > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > > > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community
> members
> > > > so
> > > > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher
> ready to
> > > > go
> > > > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previo

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-26, at 11:10 , Shane Curcuru wrote:

> Sun allowed them to operate.

It wasn't Sun. Sun and Oracle, for that matter, didn't even really turn a blind 
eye. For most of its history with OOo/SO, Sun couldn't care less and when it 
did notice bad actors (defrauders, scammers, etc.) it acted to suppress: it 
wanted to do that with the first NL satellite, the French StarOffice support 
project maintained by G. in France. It was actually only by converting (or not, 
there were many failures) the bad to the good or indifferent (vis., the CDROM 
sites) that I was able to move such outcropping reefs to friendlier berms.

What I would propose is to formalize the process of inclusion as Shane 
suggested. I tried this with OOo but Sun was loath to embark upon this course.

Louis

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Ross Gardler]

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we
downplayed
> > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts,
> > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have
> > *more* committees speaking with their own voice.
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.

Of course. Will we then have silence?

Oh, and your welcome.

Ross

>
> //drew
>
> >
> > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" 
wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> > >  wrote:
> > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
> > > >
> > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've
done
> > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put
together. It
> > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more
> > > important
> > > > than the coding. Not a good thing.
> > >
> > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
> > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
> > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
> > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
> > >
> > > Roberto
> > >
> > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to
use.
> > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are
milestones
> > > to
> > > > hang these things from.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  > > >> >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk <
kay.sch...@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million
for
> > > AOO
> > > >> 3.4
> > > >> > > >> install downloads.
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2
> > > million.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > why not! :)
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we
only
> > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will
spend
> > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time
improving
> > > >> > > OpenOffice.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > this definitely makes sense...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice
with
> > > >> Apache.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones!
:))
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right,
might
> > > make
> > > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community
members
> > > so
> > > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher
ready to
> > > go
> > > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
> > > >>
> > > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do
a
> > > 'Meet
> > > >> and Greet'?
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > A good problem to have ;-)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -Rob
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that
Don
> > > was
> > > >> > > >> working on?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > yes...good idea!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> -Rob
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> >
> > >

> > > >> > > > MzK
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > > >> > > >  -- Mark Twain
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >

> > > >> > MzK
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > > >> > -- Mark Twain
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s)
above. It
> > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not
the
> > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two
scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades.  For example, a URL
parameter, even if we don't use it in processing


We already have dedicated hostnames embedded in the suite (the one for 
version 3.3 is update36.services.openoffice.org), so this is surely 
technically feasible and it will enable multiple levels of statistics 
(how many hits the update service -"Check for updates"- receives, how 
many people actually go to the download page and how many of them 
actually initiate the download). Which are all good to have, indeed.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Download charts (prototype)

[Rob Weir]

http://people.apache.org/~robweir/aoo-downloads.html

The data is in a text file
(http://people.apache.org/~robweir/data.txt) which is generated using
the SourceForge REST API plus some python, a variation of the script I
uploaded earlier
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/devtools/aoo-stats/aoo-stats.py)

Right now those two processes are unconnected.  I generate the data on
my laptop and upload an updated data.txt.  Ideally I'd like to migrate
this to openoffice.org and  automate this by running the python script
via cron on a daily basis.

-Rob

Re: how to install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 in headless server

[Ashok Hariharan]

See this page :

http://code.google.com/p/bungeni-editor/wiki/RunningOpenOfficeInServerMode

Its for installing OOo 2.4 on a headless server (i wrote that page for
installing OOo on a vps deployment )... but I think the instructions
remain the same for OOo 3.0

Ashok


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM, brian mullan  wrote:
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#notes
>
> The above lets you download an Ubuntu, Debian etc installation.
>
> However, at least for Ubuntu there seems to be a problem.
>
> I have a headless server.
>
> I've downloaded the Linux x86-64 DEB
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
>
> But that will only install onto a server with a Desktop unless I'm missing
> some information.
>
> Once downloaded I do the following:
>
> tar xvfz
> Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
> which extracts everything to an ./en-US directory the en-US directory
> contains several dozen .DEB files
>
> dpkg -i  
>
> that will emit errors concerning gui/desktop requirements so it appeared to
> me that those can only be installed on a server with a desktop and NOT on a
> headless machine.
>
> Maybe I missed some documentation but I know you can start openoffice in
> headless mode once its installed BUT in this case how can you install it on
> a headless machine in the first place?

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Roberto Galoppini]

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/mag/2012, at 18:19, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
 On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
 
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO
>>> 3.4
>>> install downloads.
>>> 
>>> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
>> 
>> 
>> why not! :)
>> 
> 
> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> OpenOffice.
> 
 
 this definitely makes sense...
 
 We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
>>> Apache.
 Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
 note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
 environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
 
>>> 
>>> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
>>> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
>>> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
>>> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
>>> 
>>> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
>>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
>>> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
>>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
>>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>>> 
>> 
>> +1 on this.
>> 
>> I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development"
>> direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the
>> latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the
>> pan" business mentioned by Louis.
>> 
>> As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading
>> reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if
>> some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers.
>> 
> 
> I see it like this:  Analysts like Gartner were forecasting 2012 new
> PC sales of around 400 million units.  Let's say 1/2 of them need some
> sort of office-suite on them.  And suppose we have a market share of
> 10%, which is what optimistically OOo was at its peak.   So even if
> everyone in the world who wanted OpenOffice already had OpenOffice, we
> would expect 20 million downloads/year just from the new PC sales.
> 
> But to get 20 million in a year would only generate around 55K
> downloads/day.   We're getting twice that.   So that suggests we're
> still getting strong downloads from upgrades on existing OOo
> installations as well as new installs on existing PCs.
> 
> It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two
> scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades.  For example, a URL
> parameter, even if we don't use it in processing, to indicate that the
> user came to download.html via an upgrade, e.g.:
> http://download.openoffice.org?upgrade=3.3.0

Yea, it makes sense a lot of sense to me.

Roberto


> 
> 
>> 
 
 
> A good problem to have ;-)
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> 
>>> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
>>> working on?
>> 
>> 
>> yes...good idea!
>> 
>>> 
>>> -Rob
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>> 
>> MzK
>> 
>> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>>  -- Mark Twain
> 
 
 
 
 --
 
>>> 
 MzK
 
 "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 -- Mark Twain
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> MzK
>> 
>> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> -- Mark Twain

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Re: AOO 2 million?

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO
>> 3.4
>> >> >> install downloads.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > why not! :)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.    But after this I suggest we only
>> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
>> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
>> >> OpenOffice.
>> >>
>> >
>> > this definitely makes sense...
>> >
>> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
>> Apache.
>> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
>> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
>> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
>> >
>>
>> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
>> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
>> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
>> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
>>
>> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
>> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>>
>
> +1 on this.
>
> I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development"
> direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the
> latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the
> pan" business mentioned by Louis.
>
> As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading
> reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if
> some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers.
>

I see it like this:  Analysts like Gartner were forecasting 2012 new
PC sales of around 400 million units.  Let's say 1/2 of them need some
sort of office-suite on them.  And suppose we have a market share of
10%, which is what optimistically OOo was at its peak.   So even if
everyone in the world who wanted OpenOffice already had OpenOffice, we
would expect 20 million downloads/year just from the new PC sales.

But to get 20 million in a year would only generate around 55K
downloads/day.   We're getting twice that.   So that suggests we're
still getting strong downloads from upgrades on existing OOo
installations as well as new installs on existing PCs.

It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two
scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades.  For example, a URL
parameter, even if we don't use it in processing, to indicate that the
user came to download.html via an upgrade, e.g.:
http://download.openoffice.org?upgrade=3.3.0


>
>> >
>> >
>> >> A good problem to have ;-)
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
>> >> >> working on?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > yes...good idea!
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> 
>> >> > MzK
>> >> >
>> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> >> >                              -- Mark Twain
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> >                                 -- Mark Twain
>>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>                                 -- Mark Twain

Re: [wiki] login not secure...

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:34 PM, imacat  wrote:

> Dear Kay,
>
>I'm asking the infra team for the procedure to issue an SSL certificate.
>

Thank you for this! :)

I don't know I didn't notice this until just yesterday!


>
> On 2012/05/26 07:29, Kay Schenk said:
> > Can anyone change the login to the OO wiki --
> >
> > wiki.services.openoffice.org
> >
> > to "https". I noticed just now that it isn't.
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 -- Mark Twain

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO
> 3.4
> >> >> install downloads.
> >> >>
> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > why not! :)
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> >> OpenOffice.
> >>
> >
> > this definitely makes sense...
> >
> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
> Apache.
> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> >
>
> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday).   If
> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5.  But announcing
> on Friday is not good for getting press attention.  And if we wait
> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million.
>
> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>

+1 on this.

I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development"
direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the
latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the
pan" business mentioned by Louis.

As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading
reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if
some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers.


> >
> >
> >> A good problem to have ;-)
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
> >> >> working on?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > yes...good idea!
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> 
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> >> >  -- Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > -- Mark Twain
>



-- 

MzK

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 -- Mark Twain

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>>
>> On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
>>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
>>> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
>>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
>>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>>
>>
>> +1
>
> +1
>
>> But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, 
>> that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to 
>> which value can be added and even without that, used as valued.
>
> As a matter of fact downloads are very slightly diminishing from the
> announcement, and having those numbers public and certified by a
> trusted third party could make the difference.
>

I'm seeing this as the download count per day, looking only at
installer downloads:

05/07/1228470
05/08/1299148
05/09/12128110
05/10/12122781
05/11/12107818
05/12/1285471
05/13/1293294
05/14/12114311
05/15/12115410
05/16/12112302
05/17/12105583
05/18/12101209
05/19/1276480
05/20/1288578
05/21/12118753
05/22/12115414
05/23/12113039
05/24/12105471

So we had a peak day of 128,110, a couple of days after the release
announcement.  But now we're peaking at  113-118 thousand on weekdays.
 So still rather strong, I think.

In any case, more validation is always welcome.  So I've checked in
the script I used to generate these stats.  Anyone is welcome to
download, execute and review.   Enhancements are welcome as well:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/devtools/aoo-stats/aoo-stats.py

The script can be executed, assuming python in in your path, as:
python aoo-stats.py > output.csv

The CSV file can then be imported into Calc.  I find it useful to then
enable the 'auto filter' and filter to show only 'install' downloads.
 Creating a pivot table is useful s well.

-Rob

> Roberto
>
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Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Shane Curcuru]

On 2012-05-25 9:37 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:


On 2012-05-25, at 20:34 , Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:


Hi.

2012/5/25 Louis Suárez-Potts




On 2012-05-23, at 12:21 , Andrew Rist wrote:


As part of the transfer of the web properties of OOo to the ASF, the set

of related domains has also been offered to ASF.

We (PPMC) need to decide what we want to do with the related domains.

There are three obvious options available to us:


* Ignore and let the domains expire
* Continue to register to block squatting, but do no more
* Continue to register and forward to oo.o



As I have mentioned more than once, I seem to own openoffice.ca and would
be willing to contribute it (or whatever one does) to AOO. In general,
historically we have approached the owners of such sites and asked them to
work with the community.




If the PPMC is interested in keeping that domain, then please do work 
with infra to get it transferred.  That would be great.



+1

The better option.

There are many alternatives. I don't like very much and confuse me.





Likewise. I prefer very simple and when possible friendly solutions.

Only if the rose of friendship is crushed should we show our thorns. But
in general what I would rather have is that for all similar to AOO
domains a) pointing to AOO proper, and if needed, the NL projects, and
b) hosting, as mirrors, code, binaries, documents, if that is desired.


There is a third point. One reason I tacitly enabled and even
silently

promoted the development of these satellites was to promote the global
ecosystems that implicitly support OO by providing support, etc. Thus,
I'd be in favour of proposing a model where a domain that reflects
"openoffice" and is used in behalf of the wider community, be promoted.
The only things to stipulate would be, I imagine, that any binaries or
code offered as representing or identical to AOO *be* such; and that any
representations of or on behalf of AOO be in keeping with Apache's
ethos. That said, should it be the case then, that there is no need for
such satellites and that they only serve to confuse, then, of course, we
simply say, no—to this proposal, to the satellites, unless there is a
good reason for them.


Yes - a robust ecosystem is important for the long-term health and 
growth of AOO or any Apache project.  However we need to be clear on 
branding guidelines, and ensure that there's a clear separation between 
anyone representing themselves as "official" AOO things, versus everyone 
else.


*Only* PPMC-controlled sites or activities should be using our full 
branding and call themselves "official" or other similar wording. 
Everyone else is welcome to talk about our brands and products, and 
indeed talk about how amazing/awesome/whatever support/addons/whatever 
they make on top of our products.  But these other domains and groups 
should *not* be presenting themselves as part of the AOO project or part 
of the ASF in any way.


In the end, I think a lot of these initiatives can continue in a 
productive way - although some of the subtleties of how they brand 
themselves may need to change compared to how Sun allowed them to operate.


- Shane



But I think as long as the freedom described above is not confusing

and does not lead to deception, that it will only actually help the
expansion of the communities.


We do need robust ecosystems.
Louis




Albino

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Shane Curcuru]

On 2012-05-26 9:23 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:


Of course, the easy decision is simply to say "yes" to everything.
But unless the ASF gets free registrations, this is a cost that will
need to be handled on an ongoing basis.



Suppose we're speaking about 10 domains, I don't think $100 /year is going
to break the ASF's coffers, or does it?.

http://www.maddogdomains.com/?isc=mddgdic04&gclid=CMH82K_gnLACFQKCnQodP1NCYA
.com $8.17/yr
.org  $7/yr



I count 28 domains on Andrew's list.

The 28 by themselves is not a huge expense.  I just want us to
consider whether this actually accomplishing anything.  For example,
I'd hate to see us expand this strategy to other NL's or other
permutations of domain names without really understanding how the
"game" is played today.  With the expansion of TLD's, the game seems
to be getting domains like openoffice.fm and then using Twitter and
Google+ to spam advertisements, or to use Google or Bing sponsored
search ads to drive traffic to the fake website.


Don't worry particularly about cost.  If there's a good reason, and an 
agreement within the PPMC for the project to request it, we should be 
able to take care of it.


Personally, I support continuing any existing domains, simply because 
there may well be existing links or traffic to them already which we 
don't want to fall into spammer's hands.


I don't see the need to go grab a whole bunch of new names though, 
unless there's specific evidence that shows there's value in it.  There 
are far more important things to work on than trying to out-guess 
spammers who rely on mis-typings.


- Shane




-Rob



FC

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Re: [AUTOSAVE] Where is

[Kayo Hamid]

2012/5/26 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi Kayo,
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:59:48PM -0400, Kayo Hamid wrote:
> > Hello, i'm having problems with autosave and want to see around the
> > code, where is the implementation?
> >
> > ooo/trunk/main/framework/qa/complex/framework/autosave ?
>
> Everything in $MODULE/qa is just QA test.
>
> Are you looking for the code related to "Tools" - "Options..."
> - "Load/Save" - "Always create backup copy" or "Save AutoRecovery
>  information every..."? These are to related, though different things.
>
> The easiest I can imagine is:
> - build sfx2 and framework with debugging symbols
> - open a Writer document
> - attach the debugger
> - set a break point on SfxObjectShell::SaveTo_Impl
>
> (gdb) break SfxObjectShell::SaveTo_Impl
> Breakpoint 1 at 0x7fbe9f3f2c0f: file
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objstor.cxx, line 1142.
> (gdb) c
> Continuing.
>
>
> modify the document, and when it tries to autosave itself, you'll get:
>
>
> Breakpoint 1, SfxObjectShell::SaveTo_Impl (this=0x2a52b08, rMedium=...,
> pSet=0x0) at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objstor.cxx:1142
> 1142RTL_LOGFILE_PRODUCT_CONTEXT( aLog, "PERFORMANCE
> SfxObjectShell::SaveTo_Impl" );
> (gdb) bt
> #0  SfxObjectShell::SaveTo_Impl (this=0x2a52b08, rMedium=..., pSet=0x0) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objstor.cxx:1142
> #1  0x7fbe9f3fc087 in SfxObjectShell::PreDoSaveAs_Impl
> (this=0x2a52b08, rFileName=..., aFilterName=..., pParams=0x32f06d8)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objstor.cxx:2967
> #2  0x7fbe9f3fb633 in SfxObjectShell::CommonSaveAs_Impl
> (this=0x2a52b08, aURL=..., aFilterName=..., aParams=0x33323a8)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objstor.cxx:2821
> #3  0x7fbe9f3e6587 in SfxObjectShell::APISaveAs_Impl (this=0x2a52b08,
> aFileName=..., aParams=0x33323a8)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/objserv.cxx:339
> #4  0x7fbe9f437409 in SfxBaseModel::impl_store (this=0x2880cc0,
> sURL=..., seqArguments=..., bSaveTo=1 '\001')
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/sfxbasemodel.cxx:2910
> #5  0x7fbe9f430ed7 in SfxBaseModel::storeToRecoveryFile
> (this=0x2880cc0, i_TargetLocation=..., i_MediaDescriptor=...)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/sfx2/source/doc/sfxbasemodel.cxx:1759
> #6  0x7fbe8c3d309b in framework::AutoRecovery::implts_saveOneDoc
> (this=0x2074320, sBackupPath=..., rInfo=..., xExternalProgress=...)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/framework/source/services/autorecovery.cxx:2449
> #7  0x7fbe8c3d28d4 in framework::AutoRecovery::implts_saveDocs
> (this=0x2074320, bAllowUserIdleLoop=1 '\001', bRemoveLockFiles=0 '\000',
> pParams=0x0)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/framework/source/services/autorecovery.cxx:2364
> #8  0x7fbe8c3d0004 in framework::AutoRecovery::implts_timerExpired
> (this=0x2074320) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/framework/source/services/autorecovery.cxx:1683
> #9  0x7fbe8c3cfe13 in
> framework::AutoRecovery::LinkStubimplts_timerExpired (pThis=0x2074320,
> pCaller=0x2074448)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/framework/source/services/autorecovery.cxx:1618
> #10 0x7fbe9caee978 in Link::Call (this=0x2074468, pCaller=0x2074448)
> at /build/aoo/trunk/main/solver/340/unxlngx6/inc/tools/link.hxx:135
> #11 0x7fbe9cb0700d in Timer::Timeout (this=0x2074448) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/timer.cxx:253
> #12 0x7fbe9cb06c76 in Timer::ImplTimerCallbackProc () at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/timer.cxx:141
> #13 0x7fbe918cc613 in SalTimer::CallCallback (this=0x1fe25f8) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/saltimer.hxx:61
> #14 0x7fbe918cc3a6 in X11SalData::Timeout (this=0x12bafa8) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/unx/generic/app/saltimer.cxx:45
> #15 0x7fbe91c2dd80 in GtkXLib::timeoutFn (data=0x12bed68) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/unx/gtk/app/gtkdata.cxx:745
> #16 0x7fbe91c2dcd4 in call_timeoutFn (data=0x12bed68) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/unx/gtk/app/gtkdata.cxx:725
> #17 0x003157e4672b in ?? () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #18 0x003157e44f3d in g_main_context_dispatch () from
> /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #19 0x003157e45738 in ?? () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #20 0x003157e4590c in g_main_context_iteration () from
> /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #21 0x7fbe91c2e202 in GtkXLib::Yield (this=0x12bed68, bWait=true,
> bHandleAllCurrentEvents=false) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/unx/gtk/app/gtkdata.cxx:874
> #22 0x7fbe918c924f in X11SalInstance::Yield (this=0x12bae78,
> bWait=true, bHandleAllCurrentEvents=false)
>at /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/unx/generic/app/salinst.cxx:278
> #23 0x7fbe9caff637 in ImplYield (i_bWait=true, i_bAllEvents=false) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/svapp.cxx:472
> #24 0x7fbe9cafb7ed in Application::Yield (i_bAllEvents=false) at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/svapp.cxx:506
> #25 0x7fbe9cafb789 in Application::Execute () at
> /build/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/svapp.cxx:449
> #2

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> Of course, the easy decision is simply to say "yes" to everything.
>> But unless the ASF gets free registrations, this is a cost that will
>> need to be handled on an ongoing basis.
>>
>
> Suppose we're speaking about 10 domains, I don't think $100 /year is going
> to break the ASF's coffers, or does it?.
>
> http://www.maddogdomains.com/?isc=mddgdic04&gclid=CMH82K_gnLACFQKCnQodP1NCYA
> .com $8.17/yr
> .org  $7/yr
>

I count 28 domains on Andrew's list.

The 28 by themselves is not a huge expense.  I just want us to
consider whether this actually accomplishing anything.  For example,
I'd hate to see us expand this strategy to other NL's or other
permutations of domain names without really understanding how the
"game" is played today.  With the expansion of TLD's, the game seems
to be getting domains like openoffice.fm and then using Twitter and
Google+ to spam advertisements, or to use Google or Bing sponsored
search ads to drive traffic to the fake website.

-Rob


> FC
>
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
> act
> - George Orwell

Re: [UX] New AOO User Experience Community

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Kevin Grignon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Thanks for input.
>>
>> Here is what I understand the community is saying:
>>
>> AOO community = team
>> [UX] = mailing list topic prefix
>> User experience - design and development topic related to the end user
>> experience
>> People who contribute to user experience activities - a self-selected group
>> of individuals working on a common user experience- related tasks for a
>> period
>> of time
>> Pronoun "I" is preferred to "we"
>>
>> Got it. This makes sense.
>>
>> I'm still adapting to the "Apache" way. I appreciated the ongoing feedback
>> and guidance.
>>
>
> Kevin,
>
> I think you've got it! Yes, Apache is much flatter structure than what you
> (many of us) were used to previously. The major advantage that I have found
> is that everyone gets to know what everyone else is working on. It may seem
> daunting at times, but it has a lot of advantages -- mutual decision making
> giving  everyone  a say, no surprise actions by one group over another.
>

One way to think of it:  the "natural" evolution of a "team" is to
start with common interests, then to form a self-identity around that
common interest and team, an "us" versus "them" world view, then for a
formal leadership hierarchy to arise to "manage" and coordinate the
various boxes.  This is a common structure that we see throughout the
world, from armies to corporations to governments to religions.   The
legacy OpenOffice.org project did this as well, and to support it had
hundreds of mailing lists for the various projects, its councils and
steering committees, its designated leads and deputies, etc.

On the one hand this is a very efficient way of doing this, if
efficiency is the primary goal.  It is also great for those who get in
"on the ground floor".  For initial stakeholders, who get embedded in
leadership positions, this is a wonderful model.  But I think it shows
more tensions as the project grows, and more people join, and their
goals conflict with the views of the legacy leaders. A hierarchical
organization is challenged when dealing with this. And I think such
organizations are also challenged with developing innovation.

In any case, self-identification is not a bad thing.   I think it is
great to say "I am focused on Foo".  The risk comes when I try to draw
a box around a group of individuals and say "We are the Foo team", and
by implication the others in the project are not, or their opinions
are less valued in these matters, or they are consulted less, etc.

Now this does not mean that there are not de facto leaders and de
facto teams. Everyone knows who has the greatest expertise on the
website, or the download scripts.  But no one has a title of "web
master" or "distribution lead".   It comes from "taking the lead".

So I would not be surprised if there is a small group of contributors
who develop the reputation for being UX experts and whose guidance is
automatically sought on related issues.  In fact this is happening
already.  But this can occur without designating teams or team leads,
drawing boxes around groups of individuals, etc.

-Rob


> UX is of course critical to the success of Apache OpenOffice, so I think
> you'll find everyone here has an interest in this topic whether they
> participate in the UX discussions a lot or a little.
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>> A contributor to the self-selected group of individuals working on a number
>> of common user experience-related tasks for the next little while :)
>>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> > Whatever it is named, I think it is good for people who are
>> > experienced in UX design identify themselves out here. Designers need
>> > other's help to implement their ideas. The bar for UX design of such a
>> > product is very low. Everyone can have its own opinions or brilliant
>> > ideas. But it is also easy to mess up a product by combining many good
>> > ideas together. If things going well, there will be situations that
>> > people get different opinions about a ux change and the fall into
>> > endless discussion. I would trust UX designer's choice in case like
>> > that, if we a decision must be made in the end.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
>> >  wrote:
>> > > 2012/5/24 Rob Weir 
>> > >
>> > >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Kevin Grignon
>> > >>  wrote:
>> > >> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Juergen Schmidt <
>> > >> jogischm...@googlemail.com
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Am Samstag, 19. Mai 2012 um 00:18 schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:
>> > >> >> > 2012/5/18 Juergen Schmidt 
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > > Am Freitag, 18. Mai 2012 um 15:22 schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:
>> > >> >> > > > 2012/5/18 Jürgen Schmidt 
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > On 5/18/12 10:32 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > > Erik,
>> > >> >

Re: Error in about aoo

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Hi.

2012/5/26 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi Albino
>
> It is an error in the translation:
> https://translate.apache.org/pt_BR/OOo_34/translate.html?unit=5918322
>
> The variable should be %OOOVENDOR, not %OOO_VENDOR. That's why it does
> not get replaced by "Apache Software Foundation".
>
>
Thank Ariel and Zoltán.

I hit the error in translation.

Albino

Re: Error in about aoo

[Reizinger Zoltán]

2012.05.26. 13:24 keltezéssel, Albino Biasutti Neto írta:

Hi.

I was looking in menu Help>  About OOo a error in line tree after
Copyright, print screen [1].

[..] %OOO_VENDO [..]

It is a translation error.
Probably a missing space before  OOO_VENDO in translation text.
Zoltan



Just for me ?
Could is translation.

I have update the AOO 3.4 release.

1 - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=oa0hvc&s=6

Albino

Re: Error in about aoo

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Albino

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 08:24:29AM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I was looking in menu Help > About OOo a error in line tree after
> Copyright, print screen [1].
> 
> [..] %OOO_VENDO [..]
> 
> Just for me ?
> Could is translation.
> 
> I have update the AOO 3.4 release.
> 
> 1 - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=oa0hvc&s=6
> 
> Albino


It is an error in the translation:
https://translate.apache.org/pt_BR/OOo_34/translate.html?unit=5918322

The variable should be %OOOVENDOR, not %OOO_VENDOR. That's why it does
not get replaced by "Apache Software Foundation".


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: AOO 2 million?

[drew]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed
> the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts,
> computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have
> *more* committees speaking with their own voice.

Hi Ross,

Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple.

//drew

> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini"  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> >  wrote:
> > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
> > >
> > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done
> > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It
> > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more
> > important
> > > than the coding. Not a good thing.
> >
> > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
> > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
> > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
> > to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use.
> > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones
> > to
> > > hang these things from.
> >
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  > >> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  > >> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for
> > AOO
> > >> 3.4
> > >> > > >> install downloads.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2
> > million.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > why not! :)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> > >> > > OpenOffice.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > this definitely makes sense...
> > >> >
> > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
> > >> Apache.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :))
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might
> > make
> > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members
> > so
> > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to
> > go
> > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
> > >>
> > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a
> > 'Meet
> > >> and Greet'?
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > A good problem to have ;-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Rob
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don
> > was
> > >> > > >> working on?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > yes...good idea!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> -Rob
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > 
> > >> > > > MzK
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > >> > > >  -- Mark Twain
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > 
> > >> > MzK
> > >> >
> > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > >> > -- Mark Twain
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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Re: AOO 2 million?

[Ross Gardler]

Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed
the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts,
computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have
*more* committees speaking with their own voice.

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini"  wrote:

> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
> > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
> >
> > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done
> > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It
> > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more
> important
> > than the coding. Not a good thing.
>
> Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
> members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
> to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
> to be featured on SourceForge community blog.
>
> Roberto
>
> > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use.
> > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones
> to
> > hang these things from.
>
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison"  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for
> AOO
> >> 3.4
> >> > > >> install downloads.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2
> million.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > why not! :)
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> >> > > OpenOffice.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > this definitely makes sense...
> >> >
> >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
> >> Apache.
> >>
> >>
> >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :))
> >>
> >>
> >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might
> make
> >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> >> >
> >>
> >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members
> so
> >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to
> go
> >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
> >>
> >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a
> 'Meet
> >> and Greet'?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > A good problem to have ;-)
> >> > >
> >> > > -Rob
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don
> was
> >> > > >> working on?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > yes...good idea!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> -Rob
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > >
> >> >
> 
> >> > > > MzK
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> >> > > >  -- Mark Twain
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> 
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> >> > -- Mark Twain
> >> >
> >>
>
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Re: AOO 2 million?

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> +1 to a return to a focus on the community members.
>
> After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done
> more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It
> was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more important
> than the coding. Not a good thing.

Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community
members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy
to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants
to be featured on SourceForge community blog.

Roberto

> More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use.
> There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones to
> hang these things from.

>
> Ross
>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison"  wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > >
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO
>> 3.4
>> > > >> install downloads.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > why not! :)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.    But after this I suggest we only
>> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
>> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
>> > > OpenOffice.
>> > >
>> >
>> > this definitely makes sense...
>> >
>> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
>> Apache.
>>
>>
>> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :))
>>
>>
>> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
>> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
>> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
>> >
>>
>> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members so
>> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to go
>> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
>>
>> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a 'Meet
>> and Greet'?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > > A good problem to have ;-)
>> > >
>> > > -Rob
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
>> > > >> working on?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > yes...good idea!
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -Rob
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > 
>> > > > MzK
>> > > >
>> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> > > >                              -- Mark Twain
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>> >                                 -- Mark Twain
>> >
>>

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Re: patch for bug 118851

[Risto Jääskeläinen]

Sorry I don't have Excel in use but here is a small tip for URL in email:
If you write URL to a single line without any other characters in that line it 
is usable directly.
So this is working easily:
I have a fixed for 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118851

.

Greetings
Risto
Chao Huang [chao.de...@gmail.com] kirjoitti: 

hi, all

I have a fixed for https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118851.
For more details, please refer to
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77591.
Is there anyone here who can help to review it. Thanks!

--
Best regards,
Chao Huang

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Ross Gardler]

+1 to a return to a focus on the community members.

After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done
more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It
was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more important
than the coding. Not a good thing.

More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use.
There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones to
hang these things from.

Ross

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison"  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk  >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Just checking the numbers:  we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO
> 3.4
> > > >> install downloads.
> > > >>
> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > why not! :)
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only
> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals.  Otherwise we will spend
> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving
> > > OpenOffice.
> > >
> >
> > this definitely makes sense...
> >
> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with
> Apache.
>
>
> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :))
>
>
> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make
> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new
> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought.
> >
>
> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members so
> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to go
> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease.
>
> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a 'Meet
> and Greet'?
>
> >
> >
> > > A good problem to have ;-)
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was
> > > >> working on?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yes...good idea!
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> -Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > 
> > > > MzK
> > > >
> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > > >  -- Mark Twain
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
> > -- Mark Twain
> >
>

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>
> On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
>> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.
>
>
> +1

+1

> But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, 
> that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to 
> which value can be added and even without that, used as valued.

As a matter of fact downloads are very slightly diminishing from the
announcement, and having those numbers public and certified by a
trusted third party could make the difference.

Roberto

> Louis

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