Re: [UX] - Design Exploration - Dockable Task Pane (Sidebar) - Tab User Interface Design
I prefer the Beveled tab option. Maybe the content of Task Pane can including two parts: 1. Properties, the gallery, layouts and so on; 2. Extensions 2012/11/2 Kevin Grignon > KG01 - see comments inline > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: > > > 2012/11/1 Jürgen Schmidt > > > > > On 11/1/12 11:09 AM, Lei Wang wrote: > > > > I like beveled tab option. > > > > > > me too and it was already planned in the past to extend the existing > > > solution. > > > > > > > +1 to Beveled tab option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question, what kinds of content should be put into the sidebar? A > > > > navigator window or a style list window should be put into sidebar > as a > > > tab > > > > panel. > > > > > > I think that are good examples and Symphony has used it in a good way > > > too. But I am also looking forward to make more more use of it to via > > > extensions and integrate in other systems. It can be a file browser on > a > > > CMS where you can checkin/checkout files, can share files, etc.. It > can > > > be a property SideBar as we know it from Symphony. > > > > > > > property sidebar is a good candidate to implement in phase I. No need to > > migrated every thing from Symphony sidebar, but start from some frequent > > used buttons. > > > > > KG01 - This is an important point. Any enhancements to the existing AOO > sidebar should leverage the best user experience elements from both > Symphony and AOO. In addition, while we are updating this code we can > address any other known issues. > > I have already completed an analysis of each tool's sidebar, strengths and > weaknesses and captured some recommendations. > > See the analysis doc on the Dockable Task Pane (Side bar) Design > Exploration page< > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_4.0_Dockable_Task_Pane_%28Task_Bar%29_Design_Exploration > >on > the AOO UX wiki. > > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_4.0_Dockable_Task_Pane_%28Task_Bar%29_Design_Exploration > > > > > > Another candidate we can consider maybe clipart/gallery. > > And agree that we should provide interface for extension development. > > > > I can see it is a big feature that requires a lot of > UX/development/testing > > effort. So I suggest to create a wiki under 4.0 planning > > wiki< > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning > > >to > > consolidate and trace all related tasks and action items. We may also > > need a branch to start ASAP. > > > > - Shenfeng Liu (Simon) > > > > > > > > > > > > A SideBar in general is smooth and nice way to integrate in the office > > > UI and provide fast access to new interesting features. And last but > not > > > least to make use of wide screen displays ;-) > > > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Kevin Grignon < > > kevingrignon...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello All, > > > >> > > > >> I've been exploring design alternatives for adding navigation tabs > to > > > the > > > >> docked task pane. > > > >> > > > >> See: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Docked_Task_Pane_Container_-_Tab_User_Interface_Design > > > >> > > > >> Capture any thoughts or feedback in the discussion section of the > wiki > > > >> page. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Kevin > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Have uploaded five nice presentation template
Andre, thanks for your feedback. Yes, agreed. The current templates in AOO looks a little out of date. It is the time that we explore more new templates to make the templates nice and good for use. We have more nice design, I will continue to publish more. 2012/11/2 Andre Fischer > On 01.11.2012 10:00, Xin Li wrote: > > Hi， > > > > I have uploaded five nice presentation template. Welcome to have a try > and > > give me some feedback. Thanks. > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8966 > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8968 > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8970 > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8972 > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8974 > > I like them all. > It really gets time to clean up the set of AOO templates, drop the ugly > ones (not sure how many would remain) and replace them by prettier ones > like yours. > > -Andre > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Is there something wrong with the templates wiki?
Thanks lan C and RGB. I know the reason now. Thank for your help.:) 2012/10/29 RGB ES > 2012/10/29 Ian C > > > Hi, > > > > try http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ > > > http://templates.openoffice.org/en > > works too > > Regards > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > And that link below failed for me too. > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Xin Li wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have some new presentation templates and I want to upload them to > > Apache > > > Open Office templates wiki. But always failed to open the link: * > > > http://<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data> > > > templates.services.openoffice.org/* > > > > > > Is there something wrong with the wiki? Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Xin Li 李欣 > > > UX designer > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Ian C > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: [UX]: Help - who can help me to implement these new templates into AOO?
Hi Da Li, Thanks very much for your reminder and help. I have created a wiki under Da Li's help, Please see the template example in the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/TemplatesDesginPreview Thanks! 2012/8/3 Liu Da Li > Hi LiXin, > > All the attachments have been deleted by Maillist automatically , it's > better that you create a wiki page for tracking this case > > 2012/8/3 Xin Li > > > Hi, > > > > I have a question about templates. We have designed many new templates > for > > AOO. Every template including cover page and content page. Please see > some > > examples in the attachments. > > > > As you know, I'm the UX designer and I created all this templates > > background as pictures. I don't know how to implement them into AOO and > how > > can we let our user know and make the user experience better. So I ask > for > > help, who can help me to implement these new templates into AOO, or could > > you please tell me what should I do? > > > > I think AOO template improvement should be a long-term plan. Maybe > > including:Phase 1, "look and feel" improvement - have nice background > > picture; Phase 2, Make the template easy to use. We start from the "look > > and feel“, we have some new design now and we will continue to design > more > > . > > > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > > Best regards, > > Xin Li 李欣 > > UX designer > > > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
[UX]: Help - who can help me to implement these new templates into AOO?
Hi, I have a question about templates. We have designed many new templates for AOO. Every template including cover page and content page. Please see some examples in the attachments. As you know, I'm the UX designer and I created all this templates background as pictures. I don't know how to implement them into AOO and how can we let our user know and make the user experience better. So I ask for help, who can help me to implement these new templates into AOO, or could you please tell me what should I do? I think AOO template improvement should be a long-term plan. Maybe including:Phase 1, "look and feel" improvement - have nice background picture; Phase 2, Make the template easy to use. We start from the "look and feel“, we have some new design now and we will continue to design more. Thanks in advance! -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
> > I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF > documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though. > > > > - Dennis > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51 > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon > > wrote: > >> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the > >> C|NET review and supporting screen shots: > >> > >> > http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html > >> > > > > What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to > > support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or > > 8. > > > > If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have > > been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of > > Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office. > > > > It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when > > both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few > > hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is > > still supported by someone. > > > > -Rob > > > >> Regards, > >> Kevin > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: [UX] The Questions for users
our feedback and interest in the user research > >> effort. > >>>> While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather > >>>> different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce > >>>> premature survey fatigue. > >>> > >>> Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is > >>> recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN. We haven't > caused > >>> that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise. The cost of > >>> incentives > >>> these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling > in a > >>> timely manner is huge. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Agreed, risk of fatigue is a planning consideration. > >> > >>> > >>>> User research, especially surveys, consumes > >>>> people's time and energy. > >>> > >>> Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread > >>> > >>>> Rather, I propose we work from the other > >>>> direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data that > >>> will > >>>> help us build insight and drive informed design and development > >>> decisions, > >>>> then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do > >> that. I > >>>> have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page. > >>> > >>> Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as > >> has > >>> historically been the case, then the data is useless. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Perhaps, let's think positive :) > >>> > >>> > >>> You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment. > We > >>> have > >>> no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey > >>> process > >>> as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from > people > >>> what > >>> would encourage them to participate. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Ok. I'm not advocating corporate or open source. I'm advocating > that > >> we create surveys that 1) will deliver good data and 2) people will fill > >> out. > >> > >>> > >>> That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a UX > >>> survey > >>> but that is only because there are a limited number of answers needed. > >>> > >>> Every good research organisation I have worked with does short surveys > to > >>> find > >>> out what they're doing right or wrong. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - indeed, a useful activity. > >> > >> > >>> For the most part they do these at the > >>> end of another survey, but that is because the group of respondents > they > >>> are > >>> questioning will probably never do the same survey again. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - While surveys are common after usability evaluation session, > nested > >> surveys are new to me. > >> > >> > >>> For us the problem > >>> has been getting respondents to finish. Lose them once and they won't > >> come > >>> back again and we will need to talk to our user community if not often, > >> at > >>> least regularly > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Consumability is a noted concern, and a valid goal. > >> > >> I would prefer to do things right first time up so people will happily > >>> respond > >>> to any surveys we need to put out. Remember that there are not only UX > >>> surveys to be done but Marketing as well. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Indeed, that is why I placed a call for input from all > disciplines. > >> > >>> > >>> We know already know two things that get people to complete surveys: > >>> Brevity and Fun. > >>> > >>> If we do a light hearted, quick survey that gives us the reasons that > >>> people > >>> will participate, I think that's a really good use of resources. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Agreed. > >> > >>> > >>> The Surveys already put up are boring, generic and not likely to > inspire > >>> people to complete them. > >>> > >>> OOo has a user base in the hundreds of millions a few hundred > completions > >>> is > >>> not a sample. We need 10s of thousands of responses across scores of > >>> languages, to get a easonable sample. > >>> > >>> So first we need to figure out how to get that sample. > >> > >> > >> KG02 - Indeed a sustainable research strategy is important. Please > capture > >> your thoughts on the wiki. > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> G > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: [UX] Questions for users
Yes, I agree with Kevin. We need to understand who uses AOO，and their use scenario or story. User research work is very good and also important to us to know users and improve the product. Let's work together in UX wiki and start exploration. :) 2012/5/24 Kevin Grignon > Hey All, > > Great thread, many great research questions in here. > > Overall, we are moving in the right direction. We need to understand who > uses AOO, and what they use it for. What works, what doesn't . Context of > use, when and where is also important. > > Let's move the conversation to the UX wiki, and capture some our research > question candidates. > > Also, let's look at previous research efforts to help us quickly build a > strong survey. Sun, Oracle, IBM and the OO community have performed user > research in the past. Let's leverage this content, where possible. > > In addition to a capturing a series of research questions, let's capture > our thoughts in the UX wiki on our research strategy. Beyond email list and > forums, we may want to consider how we might use social media channels to > drive traffic to the user research questions. > > Finally, let's think about how we take the output of the research data and > turn the data into UX work products that will help drive informed design > and development decisions. Harvesting data to create user roles and usage > scenarios would be a logical start. > > I volunteer to create some UX wiki pages to help capture this content. > > Regards, > Kevin > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > > > On 05/20/2012 11:54 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: > > > >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi. > >>> > >>> 2012/5/20 Paulo de Souza Lima > >>> > >>> I think you mean "How old are you?" =) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> Maybe we could contribute to improve those questions. My 2 cents: > >>>> > >>>> Are you using it at your work (ask where does he/she work) or at home, > >>>> or > >>>> both? > >>>> Do you think you have enough support? Where do you use to get support? > >>>> (manuals, friends, forum, mailing lists, etc) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Good! > >>> > >>> Open to suggestions. :-) > >>> > >>> Albino > >>> > >>> > >> Where will these questions be asked? During the download process? During > >> the registration process? A poll on the web site? > >> > >> -Wolf > >> > > > > I'll throw my .02 in here. > > > > Assuming we could get them to "register" somehow and supply an e-mail > > address, would it be an idea to send them an e-mail like a month later > and > > get feedback *after* they've used the product for a bit? > > > > No ideas about questions except for the general items like performance > > issues, etc. > > > > > > > >> PS Website polls 1 to 2 question open-ended questions (questions > without a > >> set choice of answers) have been known to produce very useful data-sets > >> among users of public library services, and I would suggest that model > as > >> an interesting way to find out our own blind spots, regarding usage > >> trends. > >> Closed-end questions such as "do you like seagulls" can only get 3 > >> responses, "yes," "no" and "no response at all." > >> > >> > >> > > -- > > --**--** > > > > MzK > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > -- Mark Twain > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template
Yes, I found that. Thanks for your suggestions. I have told Yun Chao to fix it. These four templates are the first attempt we designed for AOO and put them in community, we will publish more in the future. 2012/5/18 Kevin Grignon > Xin and Yun Chao, > > The templates are nice. Thanks for sharing. > > Some feedback. In situation where the presentation template uses the logo > on each of the template slides, please ensure that the logo is in the exact > same location on each. Currently, I found that the the logo shifts > location, albeit only a few pixels, when transitioning from the title to > content slides. > > Regards, > Kevin > > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: > > > Tried them again, and looks very good! > > And your templates got rated higher than mine... :P > > > > - Simon > > > > 2012/5/18 chengjh > > > > > Very Good,I like them... > > > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Xin Li wrote: > > > > > > > ok, thanks.:) > > > > > > > > 2012/5/17 Shenfeng Liu > > > > > > > > > Li Xin, > > > > > They looks great! > > > > > While I found a font color problem in your template 4. I fixed it, > > and > > > > > will send the new template to you in a private mail. > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > - Simon > > > > > > > > > > 2012/5/17 Xin Li > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have uploaded three more AOO branded presentation template. Yun > > > chao > > > > Xu > > > > > > and I did the design work. Thanks Simon and DaLi's help. > > > > > > Please download them by the link below. Welcome to have a try and > > > give > > > > me > > > > > > your feedback or suggestion. Thanks:) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8511 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8513 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8515 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > > > > > From: chengjh > > > > > > Date: 2012/5/17 > > > > > > Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template > > > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting more... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu < > liush...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your trying! I will upload more later... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/5/14 Albino Biasutti Neto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/5/13 Liu Da Li > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] it looks very good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Albino > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jian Hong Cheng > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Xin Li 李欣 > > > > > > UX designer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > Xin Li 李欣 > > > > UX designer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > Best Regards! > > > > > > Jim Cheng (程建宏) > > > > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads
Congratulations! 2012/5/17 RGB ES > 2012/5/17 Rob Weir : > > Earlier today we hit the 1 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice > > 3.4. Congratulations to the AOO project team, and thanks to all the > > users who downloaded this release over the past week, and especially > > to those who took the time to write and offer suggestions or report > > bugs. > > > > You can read more about our strong first week, including more > > statistics and press excerpts, in this short article: > > http://www.openoffice.org/news/aoo34-1M.html > > > > If you have not yet installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 you can get it > > here: http://download.openoffice.org > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > Broadcasted on the forums and other sites. > > Congratulation! > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template
ok, thanks.:) 2012/5/17 Shenfeng Liu > Li Xin, > They looks great! > While I found a font color problem in your template 4. I fixed it, and > will send the new template to you in a private mail. > Thanks! > > - Simon > > 2012/5/17 Xin Li > > > Hi all, > > > > I have uploaded three more AOO branded presentation template. Yun chao Xu > > and I did the design work. Thanks Simon and DaLi's help. > > Please download them by the link below. Welcome to have a try and give me > > your feedback or suggestion. Thanks:) > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8511 > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8513 > > > > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8515 > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: chengjh > > Date: 2012/5/17 > > Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > Expecting more... > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for your trying! I will upload more later... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/5/14 Albino Biasutti Neto > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > 2012/5/13 Liu Da Li > > > > > > > > > [...] it looks very good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Albino > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks... > > > > Best Regards! > > > > Jian Hong Cheng > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Xin Li 李欣 > > UX designer > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template
Hi all, I have uploaded three more AOO branded presentation template. Yun chao Xu and I did the design work. Thanks Simon and DaLi's help. Please download them by the link below. Welcome to have a try and give me your feedback or suggestion. Thanks:) http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8511 http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8513 http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8515 -- Forwarded message -- From: chengjh Date: 2012/5/17 Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Expecting more... On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: > Thanks for your trying! I will upload more later... :) > > > > 2012/5/14 Albino Biasutti Neto > > > Hi. > > > > 2012/5/13 Liu Da Li > > > > > [...] it looks very good! > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > Best, > > Albino > > > -- Thanks... Best Regards! Jian Hong Cheng -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE] - Create ooo-ux mailing list
+1. count me in I think it will be helpful for the ux issue discussion if we have a ooo-ux list or some other space for ux. 2012/5/17 Donald Harbison > On Wednesday, May 16, 2012, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 16, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Kevin Grignon > > > > wrote: > > >> Hello All, > > >> > > >> I would like to propose the creation of an > > >> ooo-ux@incubator.apache.orgmailing list. > > >> > > >> The frequency of UX-related discussions are increasing, and interest > in > > the > > >> UX community is growing. > > >> > > > > > > From what I can tell, creating a new mailing list by itself does > > > nothing to increase activity level in an area. We can look at the > > > ooo-marketing and ooo-qa lists for examples of lists that were > > > created, but then nothing much happened. They are buckets, not > > > communities. And they never reached a critical mass of participation. > > > At least not yet. > > > > Please keep discussing UX here on ooo-dev. Everyone is interested. > > > +1 Suggest subj title [USX] here for all topics within User Experience > space. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > > > > But we have other lists that have been successful. Some of the native > > > language lists, for example have done quite well. > > > > > > So if you do go for a separate UX list, I'd highly recommend that you > > > couple it with some outreach and recruitment plan that goes beyond the > > > participants on the ooo-dev list. Maybe a blog post would help, > > > something that we can promote via our other tools (social media, > > > announcement list, etc.) to bring new interested parties to the new > > > list. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > >> It's time to create a mailing list to focus the conversation, and > > channel > > >> our creative energy ;) > > >> > > >> I volunteer to be a moderator, and would welcome a few others to join > > me. > > >> > > >> I am a Certified User Experience Professional with 15 years experience > > >> leading, managing and delivering user experience projects. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Kevin > > >> > > >> AOO User Experience Designer > > > > > -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
