[DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
I turn your attention to: http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/users/archive there seems to be a fair amount of continued activity here. I could change the "subscribe" link on: http://support.openoffice.org/ to get them to the new Apache users list, but, what to do about current subscribers/conversations. Yes, we've discussed this a bit and, truthfully, since I have NO admin powers on the existing mailing lists I haven't been keeping up with it actually, but, given recent events, I think it would be wise to get current users on board SOON with the new set-up. Thoughts? I don't know how to put the current list in read-only and I thought someone (Dennis, Alex) said this could be done along with a message to this list to that effect. I feel dealing with this particular list (its total migration) should be a very high priority. The last messages I find about this concern archiving the existing lists. My apologies if I'm way behind on some of this conversation. -- MzK "There is no such thing as coincidence." -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
RE: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
Let's not jiggle anything just yet. The options have not been explored and it may be better to have some preparatory assistance of current-list moderators and administrators. There are a ton of mailing lists under the live OO.o site. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 14:19 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users I turn your attention to: http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/users/archive there seems to be a fair amount of continued activity here. I could change the "subscribe" link on: http://support.openoffice.org/ to get them to the new Apache users list, but, what to do about current subscribers/conversations. Yes, we've discussed this a bit and, truthfully, since I have NO admin powers on the existing mailing lists I haven't been keeping up with it actually, but, given recent events, I think it would be wise to get current users on board SOON with the new set-up. Thoughts? I don't know how to put the current list in read-only and I thought someone (Dennis, Alex) said this could be done along with a message to this list to that effect. I feel dealing with this particular list (its total migration) should be a very high priority. The last messages I find about this concern archiving the existing lists. My apologies if I'm way behind on some of this conversation. -- MzK "There is no such thing as coincidence." -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 17, 2011 3:04 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > > Let's not jiggle anything just yet. The options have not been explored and it > may be better to have some preparatory assistance of current-list moderators > and administrators. There are a ton of mailing lists under the live OO.o > site. I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states the project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future and moved to an Apache.org address. There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and inviting list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their needs. As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to warnings about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. Ross > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 14:19 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users > > I turn your attention to: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/users/archive > > there seems to be a fair amount of continued activity here. > > I could change the "subscribe" link on: > http://support.openoffice.org/ > > to get them to the new Apache users list, but, what to do about current > subscribers/conversations. Yes, we've discussed this a bit and, > truthfully, since I have NO admin powers on the existing mailing lists I > haven't been keeping up with it actually, but, given recent events, I > think it would be wise to get current users on board SOON with the new > set-up. > > Thoughts? I don't know how to put the current list in read-only and I > thought someone (Dennis, Alex) said this could be done along with a > message to this list to that effect. I feel dealing with this particular > list (its total migration) should be a very high priority. > > The last messages I find about this concern archiving the existing lists. > > My apologies if I'm way behind on some of this conversation. > -- > > MzK > > "There is no such thing as coincidence." >-- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 17, 2011 3:04 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: Let's not jiggle anything just yet. The options have not been explored and it may be better to have some preparatory assistance of current-list moderators and administrators. There are a ton of mailing lists under the live OO.o site. I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states the project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future and moved to an Apache.org address. There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and inviting list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their needs. As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to warnings about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. Ross In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under SYMPA. I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo have made no provision for documentation at all. /tj/ - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 14:19 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users I turn your attention to: http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/users/archive there seems to be a fair amount of continued activity here. I could change the "subscribe" link on: http://support.openoffice.org/ to get them to the new Apache users list, but, what to do about current subscribers/conversations. Yes, we've discussed this a bit and, truthfully, since I have NO admin powers on the existing mailing lists I haven't been keeping up with it actually, but, given recent events, I think it would be wise to get current users on board SOON with the new set-up. Thoughts? I don't know how to put the current list in read-only and I thought someone (Dennis, Alex) said this could be done along with a message to this list to that effect. I feel dealing with this particular list (its total migration) should be a very high priority. The last messages I find about this concern archiving the existing lists. My apologies if I'm way behind on some of this conversation. -- MzK "There is no such thing as coincidence." -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
On 17 October 2011 10:28, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: ... >> I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states >> the >> project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future >> and >> moved to an Apache.org address. >> >> There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and >> inviting >> list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their >> needs. >> >> As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to >> warnings >> about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. >> >> Ross >> > In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under > SYMPA. > > I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo > have made no provision for documentation at all. Hopefully we can get some active members of the existing documentation lists over here to tell us what they need and how they would like to operate within the AOOo poject. Then we will have provision ;-) This goes for all areas that were covered but are not currently covered. The discussion starts here on the dev list and, if necessary, we create infrastructure specific to any given activity. Ross
Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
On 17 October 2011 10:58, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 17 October 2011 10:28, TJ Frazier wrote: >> On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: > > ... > >>> I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states >>> the >>> project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future >>> and >>> moved to an Apache.org address. >>> >>> There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and >>> inviting >>> list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their >>> needs. >>> >>> As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to >>> warnings >>> about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. >>> >>> Ross >>> >> In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under >> SYMPA. >> >> I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo >> have made no provision for documentation at all. > > Hopefully we can get some active members of the existing documentation > lists over here to tell us what they need and how they would like to > operate within the AOOo poject. Then we will have provision ;-) > > This goes for all areas that were covered but are not currently > covered. The discussion starts here on the dev list and, if necessary, > we create infrastructure specific to any given activity. It has been pointed out to me (offlist) that it might be inappropriate to do this. I would therefore like to clarify something. My suggestion to actively recruit from other communities was made with the assumption that the infrastructure these groups are using is part of the old OO.o infrastructure (i.e. their lists are f...@openoffice.org) and therefore will be going away soon. If this assumption is incorrect then it would probably be somewhat disrespectful of that community (and others) to actively recruit in this way. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
RE: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
Ross, It is not clear what is thought to be inappropriate. The lists are definitely hosted at OO.o using particular mailing-list software (SYMPA) and a variety of interfaces, including a very nice one for casual users that allows one-stop shopping and list management for anyone having registered an ID with OO.o. It is not clear that the means of adding messages to posts is within our power, and it might not be great on those many lists that are used by people for whom English is not understood easily, if at all. A better way is to make contact with the remaining active users of those lists using the lists themselves and exploring how migration be dealt with, including the prospect of shutting down the list altogether and going elsewhere (ooo-dev is an unlikely prospect but for a small subset of the lists) or (unlikely) migration of SYMPA such that the lists are preserved in operation but re-subscription might be required in the manner it was accomplished for the Bugzilla. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 03:49 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users On 17 October 2011 10:58, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 17 October 2011 10:28, TJ Frazier wrote: >> On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: > > ... > >>> I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states >>> the >>> project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future >>> and >>> moved to an Apache.org address. >>> >>> There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and >>> inviting >>> list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their >>> needs. >>> >>> As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to >>> warnings >>> about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. >>> >>> Ross >>> >> In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under >> SYMPA. >> >> I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo >> have made no provision for documentation at all. > > Hopefully we can get some active members of the existing documentation > lists over here to tell us what they need and how they would like to > operate within the AOOo poject. Then we will have provision ;-) > > This goes for all areas that were covered but are not currently > covered. The discussion starts here on the dev list and, if necessary, > we create infrastructure specific to any given activity. It has been pointed out to me (offlist) that it might be inappropriate to do this. I would therefore like to clarify something. My suggestion to actively recruit from other communities was made with the assumption that the infrastructure these groups are using is part of the old OO.o infrastructure (i.e. their lists are f...@openoffice.org) and therefore will be going away soon. If this assumption is incorrect then it would probably be somewhat disrespectful of that community (and others) to actively recruit in this way. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
RE: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
Having all of the discussion about the future of OO.o lists on ooo-dev is probably ineffective. It would be good to engage on the OO.o lists and, in particular, engage those moderators and administrators that have survived in their roles to advise and assist in determining what needs to be done. In particular, many lists will simply be shut down. The individual list subscription pages on OO.o could be updated to indicate what has happened, where the archive remains, and what the replacement is, if any. Those pages probably won't come up until the domain is pointed to an Apache version of the site. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 02:58 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users On 17 October 2011 10:28, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: ... >> I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states >> the >> project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future >> and >> moved to an Apache.org address. >> >> There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and >> inviting >> list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their >> needs. >> >> As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to >> warnings >> about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. >> >> Ross >> > In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under > SYMPA. > > I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo > have made no provision for documentation at all. Hopefully we can get some active members of the existing documentation lists over here to tell us what they need and how they would like to operate within the AOOo poject. Then we will have provision ;-) This goes for all areas that were covered but are not currently covered. The discussion starts here on the dev list and, if necessary, we create infrastructure specific to any given activity. Ross smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users
Well, as it turns out, right AFTER I posted this I noticed Rob's discussion on the MLs in general. So, I won't change any links, and I have no power to add footers to the list messages. I guess we'll wait for Rob's implementation that seems to cover ALL active lists. Apparently my timing was off. On 10/17/2011 08:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Having all of the discussion about the future of OO.o lists on ooo-dev is probably ineffective. It would be good to engage on the OO.o lists and, in particular, engage those moderators and administrators that have survived in their roles to advise and assist in determining what needs to be done. In particular, many lists will simply be shut down. The individual list subscription pages on OO.o could be updated to indicate what has happened, where the archive remains, and what the replacement is, if any. Those pages probably won't come up until the domain is pointed to an Apache version of the site. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 02:58 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [ooo-users] Speaking of ooo-users On 17 October 2011 10:28, TJ Frazier wrote: On 10/17/2011 03:35, Ross Gardler wrote: ... I'd suggest adding a footer to all these mailing list mails that states the project is now at Apache and the list will be closed down in the future and moved to an Apache.org address. There should also be regular mails to the lists saying the same and inviting list participants to join ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to discuss their needs. As lists are created here you can change these headers and mails to warnings about switch off with subscription instructions for the lists here. Ross In general, setting a ML footer is fairly easy to do, for an owner under SYMPA. I have a small problem w/r/t the @documentation lists, because we at AOOo have made no provision for documentation at all. Hopefully we can get some active members of the existing documentation lists over here to tell us what they need and how they would like to operate within the AOOo poject. Then we will have provision ;-) This goes for all areas that were covered but are not currently covered. The discussion starts here on the dev list and, if necessary, we create infrastructure specific to any given activity. Ross -- MzK "There is no such thing as coincidence." -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
