Is there any news on this?

As long as these thoughts of enhancements are missing in form of real code one cannot use them to debug mulit-threaded programs with the necessary context information. Therefore the question when any such changes can be expected?

Or would it be better for the moment to check in the current version (cf. patch) of multi-threaded tracing (only triggered when environment variable got set before running the program) which immediately can be used for debugging?

---rony



On 25.03.2023 16:58, Rick McGuire wrote:


On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:52 AM Gilbert Barmwater <gi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

    Let me see if I've got this.  If there was a class, perhaps a subclass
    of outputStream, that implemented a SAY method which would "collect" the
    additional multi-threading information and add it to the argument that
    it receives, then one would only need to create an instance of that
    class associated with (presumably) STDERR and then change the
    destination of .traceOutput to be that instance.  The "enhanced" trace
    lines would appear instead of the standard trace lines.  Is that
    somewhat correct?


Pretty much spot on. It would require a couple of enhancements in other places to allow the additional information to be gathered, but those would be fairly trivial to implement and also useful for situations other than TRACE. This solution requires no new TRACE command syntax, and the arguments about how much information is appropriate to add goes away because any user can choose to modify the information as they see fit.
Rick


    Gil

    On 3/25/2023 8:34 AM, Rick McGuire wrote:
    > I had one of those AHA moments this morning. The whole question about
    > multithreaded tracing can be quite cleanly resolved by removing the
    > question from the TRACE command entirely.
    >
    > Currently, the trace output is written to the .TRACEOUTPUT monitor.
    > With a few small enhancements to already existing classes, it would be
    > possible for any additional information to be added by the
    > TRACEOUPUT target. To enable it, one would only need to push a new
    > output destination to the monitor. The new destination would add any
    > additional debug information to the trace lines. This is not only
    > pretty simple, but it also means any user can customize the trace
    > information to their own requirements, though it would be nice to
    > supply a couple of builtin alternatives.
    >
    > The enhancements necessary to do this are pretty simple. The
    > StackFrame class already has most of the information you need for
    > debugging, but it could use methods to expose a threadid, instance id,
    > and also the current GUARD status in the case of method calls. This
    > can be quite easily done, and would provide useful debug information
    > for more than just the trace output. It might be desirable to add the
    > same methods to .Context. I can go either way with that one.
    >
    > Rick

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