Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
No doubt you could drag and drop the icon for the system onto the icon for the file, thus expressing a relevant evaluation of the function. That could apply to many things at Parris Island. Welcome back, Lee! Don't stay away so long next time. -Original Message- From: Lee Peedin [mailto:l...@safedatausa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:20 To: oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads I once wrote an inventory/supply package for a group at Parris Island called Peedin Inventory & Supply System (PISS). Lee On 2/20/2014 1:03 PM, Chip Davis wrote: > How does this utility NOT go by the name "Windbag"? ;-) > > That's nearly as bad as the z/VM TCP/IP installation wizard that was > pushed back a release because the developers named it "IPWIZ". > > -Chip- > > On 2/20/2014 12:25 PM Mike Cowlishaw said: >> __ >> I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is >> it the "Express" version? >> >> The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: >> 'windbg -IS' >> which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express >> version, but quite an old one. >> >> >> windbg used to be distributed in the device driver kit and is >> different than the VC++ debugger. It is supposed to be more >> powerful, but I don't know if it has just in time debugging, if it >> breaks in automatically when a crash happens on the system. >> Hmm, yes, on a bit of googling, looks like it's part of the >> Windows SDK. Still, anyone writing apps for Windows would >> install that. >> Looking up some details on windbg, reminded me that the debug >> build may not be helpful without the .pdb files that are produced >> during the compile? >> No idea. I guess I'll install (and lastest SDK/windbg) and wait >> for something to happen. Of course, nothing will, now :-) >> Mike > -- > Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take > advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. > Read the Whitepaper. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg. > clktrk ___ > Oorexx-devel mailing list > Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
I once wrote an inventory/supply package for a group at Parris Island called Peedin Inventory & Supply System (PISS). Lee On 2/20/2014 1:03 PM, Chip Davis wrote: > How does this utility NOT go by the name "Windbag"? ;-) > > That's nearly as bad as the z/VM TCP/IP installation wizard that was > pushed back a release because the developers named it "IPWIZ". > > -Chip- > > On 2/20/2014 12:25 PM Mike Cowlishaw said: >> __ >> I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is >> it the "Express" version? >> >> The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: >> 'windbg -IS' >> which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express >> version, but quite an old one. >> >> >> windbg used to be distributed in the device driver kit and is >> different than the VC++ debugger. It is supposed to be more >> powerful, but I don't know if it has just in time debugging, if it >> breaks in automatically when a crash happens on the system. >> Hmm, yes, on a bit of googling, looks like it's part of the >> Windows SDK. Still, anyone writing apps for Windows would >> install that. >> Looking up some details on windbg, reminded me that the debug >> build may not be helpful without the .pdb files that are produced >> during the compile? >> No idea. I guess I'll install (and lastest SDK/windbg) and wait >> for something to happen. Of course, nothing will, now :-) >> Mike > -- > Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications > Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. > Read the Whitepaper. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Oorexx-devel mailing list > Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
How does this utility NOT go by the name "Windbag"? ;-) That's nearly as bad as the z/VM TCP/IP installation wizard that was pushed back a release because the developers named it "IPWIZ". -Chip- On 2/20/2014 12:25 PM Mike Cowlishaw said: > __ > I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is > it the "Express" version? > > The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: >'windbg -IS' > which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express > version, but quite an old one. > > > windbg used to be distributed in the device driver kit and is > different than the VC++ debugger. It is supposed to be more > powerful, but I don't know if it has just in time debugging, if it > breaks in automatically when a crash happens on the system. > Hmm, yes, on a bit of googling, looks like it's part of the > Windows SDK. Still, anyone writing apps for Windows would > install that. > Looking up some details on windbg, reminded me that the debug > build may not be helpful without the .pdb files that are produced > during the compile? > No idea. I guess I'll install (and lastest SDK/windbg) and wait > for something to happen. Of course, nothing will, now :-) > Mike -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is it the "Express" version? The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: 'windbg -IS' which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express version, but quite an old one. windbg used to be distributed in the device driver kit and is different than the VC++ debugger. It is supposed to be more powerful, but I don't know if it has just in time debugging, if it breaks in automatically when a crash happens on the system. Hmm, yes, on a bit of googling, looks like it's part of the Windows SDK. Still, anyone writing apps for Windows would install that. Looking up some details on windbg, reminded me that the debug build may not be helpful without the .pdb files that are produced during the compile? No idea. I guess I'll install (and lastest SDK/windbg) and wait for something to happen. Of course, nothing will, now :-) Mike -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote: > I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is it > the "Express" version? > > The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: > > 'windbg -IS' > > which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express version, but > quite an old one. > > windbg used to be distributed in the device driver kit and is different than the VC++ debugger. It is supposed to be more powerful, but I don't know if it has just in time debugging, if it breaks in automatically when a crash happens on the system. Looking up some details on windbg, reminded me that the debug build may not be helpful without the .pdb files that are produced during the compile? -- Mark Miesfeld -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
Okay, I've put debug builds for Windows ooRexx 4.2.0 on SourceForge. They are in a subdirectory in the Files section for ooRexx 4.2.0. https://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/files/oorexx/4.2.0%20%28release%20candid ate%202%29/debug.version/ to be explicit. Thanks will install (probably tomorrow). I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is it the "Express" version? The debugger I start on boot is started via the command: 'windbg -IS' which I think is from VC [++?] and yes I think the Express version, but quite an old one. Mike -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
Okay, I've put debug builds for Windows ooRexx 4.2.0 on SourceForge. They are in a subdirectory in the Files section for ooRexx 4.2.0. https://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/files/oorexx/4.2.0%20%28release%20candidate%202%29/debug.version/ to be explicit. I'm curious Mike, do you have a VC++ debugger installed, and if so is it the "Express" version? -- Mark Miesfeld On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote: > > > I'm not sure what the requirements for the *ix platforms would be, and > I'm pretty sure we really don't want to do this for all of the flavors > anyway, but I'm thinking it might be a useful thing to have a debug version > of the Windows 32- and 64- bit versions available for download. This might > allow users that have access to the Visual Studio (and know how to use the > debugger) to perform some level of crash diagnosis without needing to > provide a working example they can send us. Sometimes problems like this > can be diagnosed with nothing more than the stack traceback. > > Sounds good to me. I am still (about once every 5 weeks) getting a crash > on my webserver which seems to point to rexx.dll but no way of getting > handle on it (and just as likely it's a problem in my code or the TCP/IP > stack). So running with a debug version that could provide more details on > a crash could be a win. > > Mike > > > > -- > Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications > Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. > Read the Whitepaper. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Oorexx-devel mailing list > Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel > > -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rick McGuire wrote: > I'm not sure what the requirements for the *ix platforms would be, and I'm > pretty sure we really don't want to do this for all of the flavors anyway, > but I'm thinking it might be a useful thing to have a debug version of the > Windows 32- and 64- bit versions available for download. > Yeah, I think so. I was going to suggest to the person that just opened the bug that I could provide a debug version. I don't see any reason why we couldn't make it available on SourceForge. Maybe have a sub-directory named debug to keep the debug version separate from the other downloads. > This might allow users that have access to the Visual Studio (and know how > to use the debugger) to perform some level of crash diagnosis without > needing to provide a working example they can send us. Sometimes problems > like this can be diagnosed with nothing more than the stack traceback. > I'm not sure what level of support the express version has for the debugger. I seem to recall the debugger in the express version does not automatically break in when a program crashes. But, if the user was motivated enough, he could try running the program under the debugger and waiting for the crash. He should be able to copy and paste the stack trace, even if he didn't know how to use the debugger. I'll put debug versions of the 4.2.0 Windows builds on SourceForge as soon as I can get to it. -- Mark Miesfeld -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
I'm not sure what the requirements for the *ix platforms would be, and I'm pretty sure we really don't want to do this for all of the flavors anyway, but I'm thinking it might be a useful thing to have a debug version of the Windows 32- and 64- bit versions available for download. This might allow users that have access to the Visual Studio (and know how to use the debugger) to perform some level of crash diagnosis without needing to provide a working example they can send us. Sometimes problems like this can be diagnosed with nothing more than the stack traceback. Sounds good to me. I am still (about once every 5 weeks) getting a crash on my webserver which seems to point to rexx.dll but no way of getting handle on it (and just as likely it's a problem in my code or the TCP/IP stack). So running with a debug version that could provide more details on a crash could be a win. Mike -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
[Oorexx-devel] Debug downloads
I'm not sure what the requirements for the *ix platforms would be, and I'm pretty sure we really don't want to do this for all of the flavors anyway, but I'm thinking it might be a useful thing to have a debug version of the Windows 32- and 64- bit versions available for download. This might allow users that have access to the Visual Studio (and know how to use the debugger) to perform some level of crash diagnosis without needing to provide a working example they can send us. Sometimes problems like this can be diagnosed with nothing more than the stack traceback. Rick -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
