Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Patron database question

[David Busby]

David,
  It could be, IIRC, accounts would be created on demand when a user
logs in, after a look-up in the external system.  The Evergreen
database has a pretty clear schema too - so you can create individual
patron records directly in SQL if you want. like from a cron-job to
dump from Civi

--
David Busby
Edoceo, Inc.
http://edoceo.com/
206.282.6500


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM, DAemon  wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> That definitely looks useable from the authentication side of things, but
> I'm more interested in merging in patron records. Would this be useable in
> the same way?
>
> - David
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Busby  wrote:
>>
>> There was some conversations recently about an external LDAP
>> authentication interface, itself coded in perl.  That could be modified to
>> talk to your CiviCRM via direct database connection, or web-api to your
>> liking.
>>
>> Here's a copy-pasta of stuff I said about it just a few weeks ago with
>> relation to CAS inplace of Civi
>>
>> ---
>>
>>  Here's some neat things about Evergreen and external authentication
>> methods:
>>
>> http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-dev/2008-September/003606.html
>>
>>
>> http://open-ils.org/irc_logs/evergreen/2011-12/%23evergreen.01-Thu-2011.log#line241
>>
>>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/885528
>>
>>   The Launchpad bug is a patch to use LDAP, which we could be port/modded
>> to integrate with CAS.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> /djb
>> Edoceo, Inc
>> 206.282.6500
>> http://edoceo.com
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2012 6:11 PM, "DAemon"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I'm currently looking at setting up Evergreen as a library system for an
>>> organisation that's already using CiviCRM to manage its members.
>>>
>>> We'd rather not have membership information manually managed in two
>>> different places, and I was wondering whether it would be possible to write
>>> something that pulled the membership information out of the CiviCRM database
>>> on a regular basis and merged it into Evergreen.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this before? Is there anywhere in particular that I
>>> should be looking to start?
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone, I just can't seem to find the right way to search for
>>> this topic.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> David Allen
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Where, oh where ...

[Jason Etheridge]

> Most of the major docs that have been done are available here:
> http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/
> http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php

I think it's fair to say that the docs we have are more in the vein of
reference manuals than user guides.  There are library specific
training materials floating about, but I'm not sure how current or
comprehensive they are.  That said, DIG(*) is open to more help,
resources, etc.  We can make better documentation happen; I'm
impressed with what they've done so far.

(*) - http://www.evergreen-ils.org/documentation.php /
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig

-- Jason

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Where, oh where ...

[Jesse Ephraim]

Don;

Unfortunately, there really isn't a well-written, updated, thorough guide to 
Evergreen out there (to the best of my knowledge).  There are a number of 
partial guides, but even if you put all those together, there are some major 
gaps.  A couple of years into things, and we're still trying to fill in the 
gaps in our knowledge. That's one of the drawbacks of open source systems, 
unfortunately - documentation isn't the first thing on the mind of developers.  
My bet is that we would see a LOT more libraries adopting Evergreen if there 
were decent documentation and a good front-end to the installation process.

Most of the major docs that have been done are available here:
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/
http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php



Jesse Ephraim
Director, Roanoke Public Library

308 S. Walnut
Roanoke, TX  76248
jephr...@roanoketexas.com
817-491-2691

From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Donald 
Butterworth
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Where, oh where ...

Hi everyone,

After years of wanting to experiment with Evergreen our IT dept has loaded 2.3 
on a local server. True it's on a 7 year old Omnitech, with almost no memory, 
that sits under the desk of our IT director on the other side of campus. But, 
hey, it's something; and there is the promise of more to follow once he's 
finished with a dSpace upgrade. I have a dream that two years from now our 
current system with become a memory. Time will tell.

So ... now ... where do we start? We've downloaded the manual from the website, 
but what I really need is the "Idiot's Guide to Getting Evergreen Up and 
Running". The contents would look something like:

Welcome to Evergreen
DO THIS FIRST
Go here, do this. Then go here, and do that.
DO THIS SECOND!

You get the idea. Is there a document like this available anywhere? What would 
be exceedingly helpful would be a Video Version of the Idiot's Guide. It would 
be so much easier for some of us to watch how to get things started. For 
example, it would help us greenhorn users avoid staring at the screen for 30 
minutes searching for the admin drop-down menu, which is on the top right of 
the screen. Any chance that someone has made a try at this?

Of course, much of Evergreen is quite intuitive for people who are used to 
using an ILS. We were able to import a file of bib records without a crash on 
our first try. But there are three things that we particularly need help with 
at this point. What tag is used in a bib record to supply item data so that 
when a bib record enters the system it automatically generates an item record? 
And, what tag is used in a bib record to supply order data, so that PO lines 
can be populated automatically? Where does one go to define the subfields for 
these tags?

Thanks for your insights.

Don

Don Butterworth
Faculty Associate / Librarian III
B.L. Fisher Library
Asbury Theological Seminary
(859) 858-2227
don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Public libraries and digital contentmanagement

[sarahc]

t;
>
> You can load MARC records that represent an electronic database,
> an
> ebook title, a physical object, or whatever. Cataloguers can
> catalogue
> most things. I think there are even MARC records that represent a
> set of
> bobble head dolls. The ILS doesn't matter, you can load a MARC
> record
> for Academic Search Premier into Polaris or into Evergreen.
>
>
>
> An ILS and ERMS are different types of systems, designed to do
> different
> things.
>
> * ILS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system
> (mostly tracks the physical collection)
> * ERMS:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Resource_Management_System
> (mostly for electronic or online collections). An example of an
> open
> source ERMS is CUFTS: http://researcher.sfu.ca/cufts
>
>
>
> I've heard some folks say that the proprietary ILS market has
> shifted
> and for many vendors the ILS is mostly cheap giveway where the
> vendor is
> charging heftier fees is with the ERMS and discovery layer that
> might
> integrate really well with the ILS,
>
>
>
> ERMS are pretty common for academic libraries (who need to track
> where
> you can get the full text of an article) and seem much less common
> in
> public libraries.
>
>
>
> It might be better to reply to the list so we can build on each
> other's
> responses and so that this information is archived for the next
> person
> who has a similar question.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tara
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:37 AM, McPeck, Tracy L.
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello-
>
>
>
> I am conducting a case study between a proprietary ILS (Polaris)
> and an
> open source ILS (Evergreen) regarding electronic resource
> management in
> the public library. I'd like to know if any Evergreen public
> libraries
> use Evergreen (including add-ons) to manage database subscriptions
> and
> findability for patrons.  I plan to compare the two systems and
> their
> roles in managing electronic resources.  I am finding that public
> libraries will often make their eBooks and eAudiobooks findable in
> the
> ILS, but patrons must access the electronic databases separately
> to
> discover the library's electronic journal holdings. I am hoping to
> find
> examples of public libraries that use their ILS and associated
> add-ons
> to make electronic journals holdings searchable in the catalog.
> Please
> email me at tmcp...@pwcgov.org or tlmcp...@yahoo.com if you can
> help.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance-
>
> Tracy McPeck
>
> Library Services Technician III, Youth Services
>
> Central Community Library
>
> 8601 Mathis Avenue
>
> Manassas, VA 20110
>
> Prince William County Public Library System
> <http://www.pwcgov.org/government/dept/library/Pages/default.aspx>
>
>
>
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[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** RE: Public libraries and digital contentmanagement

[Rogan Hamby]

I remember hearing somewhere that SPARK in PA is using VuFind with Evergreen
and some quick Googling for SPARK found this:

http://evergreen.palibrary.org/vufind/

But that's the extent of what I know.  Maybe some SPARKS folks are on list
and can share more.


From:  Tara Robertson 
Reply-To:  Evergreen Discussion Group

Date:  Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:00 PM
To:  Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject:  [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** RE: Public libraries
and digital contentmanagement

Hi Tracy,

The way to make your library's holdings and electronic content searchable in
one place is with a discovery layer. It's something that you layer on top of
your ILS, ERMS and possibly local digital collections.

Marshall Breeding's list of discovery layers:
http://www.librarytechnology.org/discovery.pl

Some open source options are SOPAC, Blacklight and VuFind. At a quick glance
I can't see any public libraries using Evergreen that are using one of these
open source discovery layers.

Hope this is helpful and doesn't muddy the waters further...

Cheers,
Tara

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM, McPeck, Tracy L. 
wrote:
> Tara and Elaine, thanks for your responses. Elaine, you¹re right in that I was
> trying to find out how public libraries might make all of their resources
> findable from a single point of entry. Tara, thanks for sending the links
> regarding ILSs and ERMSs. I assume that it¹s the ERMS used in conjunction with
> an ILS that makes one-stop shopping easier, but in public libraries, time and
> cost prohibit the incorporation of electronic journals/articles holdings into
> the OPAC. In my current and previous library systems, we catalog print
> serials, but have to access the list of databases separately. There is no one
> way to discover what our electronic journal holdings are. Perhaps there is a
> public library out there that has the time and funding to make electronic and
> print holdings findable in one place. For the most part, I can see I¹m barking
> up the wrong tree.
>  
> 
> Tracy McPeck
> Library Services Technician III, Youth Services
> Central Community Library
> 8601 Mathis Avenue
> Manassas, VA 20110
> Prince William County Public Library System
> 
>  
> 
> From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
> Hardy, Elaine
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:58 AM
> To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group'
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Public libraries and digital contentmanagement
>  
> I thick Tracy¹s point is that public libraries tend not to have bib records
> for their electronic journals in their ILSs so you have to search in the
> separate database to find out if they have access to a specific title rather
> than staying with the ILS, finding a title with an active link to that
> database. Which, at least in Georgia, is true.
>  
> There are a variety of reasons for that lack, principally that public
> libraries tend not to catalog their print magazines either. Public library
> catalogers often are not trained to catalog serials and, for print formats,
> only keep a year or so. Since electronic databases for journals and magazines
> often include hundreds of titles, it is rare for cataloging staff to have time
> to add the records and indicate holdings.
>  
> While we would love to have each title in our ILSs, it just isn¹t always
> practical given the small staffs in most tech services departments.
>  
> 
> Elaine
> 
> 
> 
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
> 
> 404.235-7128 
> 404.235-7201  , fax
> eha...@georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org 
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines 
> 
> 
> From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Tara
> Robertson
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:16 AM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Public libraries and digital content
> management
>  
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I think you might be confusing two different things: making electronic
> resources findable in the catalogue and the difference between an ILS and an
> ERMS.
> 
>  
> 
> You can load MARC records that represent an electronic database, an ebook
> title, a physical object, or whatever. Cataloguers can catalogue most things.
> I think there are even MARC records that represent a set of bobble head dolls.
> The ILS doesn't matter, you can load a MARC record for Academic Search Premier
> into Polaris or into Evergreen.
> 
>  
> 
> An ILS and ERMS are different types of systems, designed to do different
> things. 
> * ILS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system (mostly tracks
> the physical collection)
> * ERMS: htt

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** RE: Public libraries and digital contentmanagement

[Tara Robertson]

Hi Tracy,

The way to make your library's holdings and electronic content searchable
in one place is with a discovery layer. It's something that you layer on
top of your ILS, ERMS and possibly local digital collections.

Marshall Breeding's list of discovery layers:
http://www.librarytechnology.org/discovery.pl

Some open source options are SOPAC, Blacklight and VuFind. At a quick
glance I can't see any public libraries using Evergreen that are using one
of these open source discovery layers.

Hope this is helpful and doesn't muddy the waters further...

Cheers,
Tara

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM, McPeck, Tracy L. wrote:

> Tara and Elaine, thanks for your responses. Elaine, you’re right in that I
> was trying to find out how public libraries might make all of their
> resources findable from a single point of entry. Tara, thanks for sending
> the links regarding ILSs and ERMSs. I assume that it’s the ERMS used in
> conjunction with an ILS that makes one-stop shopping easier, but in public
> libraries, time and cost prohibit the incorporation of electronic
> journals/articles holdings into the OPAC. In my current and previous
> library systems, we catalog print serials, but have to access the list of
> databases separately. There is no one way to discover what our electronic
> journal holdings are. Perhaps there is a public library out there that has
> the time and funding to make electronic and print holdings findable in one
> place. For the most part, I can see I’m barking up the wrong tree. 
>
> ** **
>
> Tracy McPeck
>
> Library Services Technician III, Youth Services
>
> Central Community Library
>
> 8601 Mathis Avenue
>
> Manassas, VA 20110
>
> Prince William County Public Library 
> System
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Hardy,
> Elaine
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:58 AM
> *To:* 'Evergreen Discussion Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Public libraries and digital
> contentmanagement
>
> ** **
>
> I thick Tracy’s point is that public libraries tend not to have bib
> records for their electronic journals in their ILSs so you have to search
> in the separate database to find out if they have access to a specific
> title rather than staying with the ILS, finding a title with an active link
> to that database. Which, at least in Georgia, is true.
>
> ** **
>
> There are a variety of reasons for that lack, principally that public
> libraries tend not to catalog their print magazines either. Public library
> catalogers often are not trained to catalog serials and, for print formats,
> only keep a year or so. Since electronic databases for journals and
> magazines often include hundreds of titles, it is rare for cataloging staff
> to have time to add the records and indicate holdings. 
>
> ** **
>
> While we would love to have each title in our ILSs, it just isn’t always
> practical given the small staffs in most tech services departments.
>
> ** **
>
> *Elaine*
> --
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
>
> 404.235-7128
> 404.235-7201, fax
> eha...@georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
>
> 
>
> *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Tara Robertson
> *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 10:16 AM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Public libraries and digital content
> management
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
>
> ** **
>
> I think you might be confusing two different things: making electronic
> resources findable in the catalogue and the difference between an ILS and
> an ERMS.
>
> ** **
>
> You can load MARC records that represent an electronic database, an ebook
> title, a physical object, or whatever. Cataloguers can catalogue most
> things. I think there are even MARC records that represent a set of bobble
> head dolls. The ILS doesn't matter, you can load a MARC record for Academic
> Search Premier into Polaris or into Evergreen.
>
> ** **
>
> An ILS and ERMS are different types of systems, designed to do different
> things. 
>
>- ILS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system (mostly
>tracks the physical collection)
>- ERMS:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Resource_Management_System (mostly
>for electronic or online collections). An example of an open source ERMS is
>CUFTS: http://researcher.sfu.ca/cufts
>
> ** **
>
> I've heard some folks say that the proprietary ILS market has shifted and
> for many vendors the ILS is mostly cheap giveway where the vendor is
> chargi

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Public libraries and digital contentmanagement

[McPeck, Tracy L.]

Tara and Elaine, thanks for your responses. Elaine, you're right in that
I was trying to find out how public libraries might make all of their
resources findable from a single point of entry. Tara, thanks for
sending the links regarding ILSs and ERMSs. I assume that it's the ERMS
used in conjunction with an ILS that makes one-stop shopping easier, but
in public libraries, time and cost prohibit the incorporation of
electronic journals/articles holdings into the OPAC. In my current and
previous library systems, we catalog print serials, but have to access
the list of databases separately. There is no one way to discover what
our electronic journal holdings are. Perhaps there is a public library
out there that has the time and funding to make electronic and print
holdings findable in one place. For the most part, I can see I'm barking
up the wrong tree. 

 

Tracy McPeck

Library Services Technician III, Youth Services

Central Community Library

8601 Mathis Avenue

Manassas, VA 20110

Prince William County Public Library System
 

 

From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Hardy, Elaine
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:58 AM
To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group'
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Public libraries and digital
contentmanagement

 

I thick Tracy's point is that public libraries tend not to have bib
records for their electronic journals in their ILSs so you have to
search in the separate database to find out if they have access to a
specific title rather than staying with the ILS, finding a title with an
active link to that database. Which, at least in Georgia, is true.

 

There are a variety of reasons for that lack, principally that public
libraries tend not to catalog their print magazines either. Public
library catalogers often are not trained to catalog serials and, for
print formats, only keep a year or so. Since electronic databases for
journals and magazines often include hundreds of titles, it is rare for
cataloging staff to have time to add the records and indicate holdings. 

 

While we would love to have each title in our ILSs, it just isn't always
practical given the small staffs in most tech services departments.

 

Elaine




J. Elaine Hardy
PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235-7128
404.235-7201, fax
eha...@georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org/pines



From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Tara Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:16 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Public libraries and digital content
management

 

Hi,

 

I think you might be confusing two different things: making electronic
resources findable in the catalogue and the difference between an ILS
and an ERMS.

 

You can load MARC records that represent an electronic database, an
ebook title, a physical object, or whatever. Cataloguers can catalogue
most things. I think there are even MARC records that represent a set of
bobble head dolls. The ILS doesn't matter, you can load a MARC record
for Academic Search Premier into Polaris or into Evergreen.

 

An ILS and ERMS are different types of systems, designed to do different
things. 

*   ILS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system
(mostly tracks the physical collection)
*   ERMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Resource_Management_System
(mostly for electronic or online collections). An example of an open
source ERMS is CUFTS: http://researcher.sfu.ca/cufts

 

I've heard some folks say that the proprietary ILS market has shifted
and for many vendors the ILS is mostly cheap giveway where the vendor is
charging heftier fees is with the ERMS and discovery layer that might
integrate really well with the ILS,

 

ERMS are pretty common for academic libraries (who need to track where
you can get the full text of an article) and seem much less common in
public libraries.

 

It might be better to reply to the list so we can build on each other's
responses and so that this information is archived for the next person
who has a similar question.

 

Hope this helps,

Tara

 

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:37 AM, McPeck, Tracy L. 
wrote:

Hello- 

 

I am conducting a case study between a proprietary ILS (Polaris) and an
open source ILS (Evergreen) regarding electronic resource management in
the public library. I'd like to know if any Evergreen public libraries
use Evergreen (including add-ons) to manage database subscriptions and
findability for patrons.  I plan to compare the two systems and their
roles in managing electronic resources.  I am finding that public
libraries will often make their eBook

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds for book club sets

[Cynthia Williamson]

HI Michael - the booking feature will definitely do this for you.  If you
have a barcode for a set, you're ready to go.   You need to build in some
"elbow room"-  meaning time between bookings, for example if you want a set
back 2 days before it is going out again, your elbow room would be 2 days.
I think that setting is in the client now.  We use the booking feature to
allow faculty to hold DVDs for specific classes and we built in some elbow
room for shipping time to get them to other campuses.
Lemme know if you need more info.
Cynthia

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Michael Schell <
msch...@forterie.library.on.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering how other systems are dealing with book club sets,
> specifically if there is a way to allow book club sets to be put on hold
> for the future, say 3-months in advance. I was looking at suspended holds
> but that doesn't seem to ensure the item will be available the week the
> book club wants the set. Ideas? Is this what the booking feature is for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Schell
> Systems Administrator
> Fort Erie Public Library
> 905-871-2546 x301
> msch...@fepl.ca
> http://www.fepl.ca




-- 
*Edith Hamilton wrote: "It has always seemed strange to me that in our
endless discussions about education so little stress is laid on the
pleasure of becoming an educated person, the enormous interest it adds to
life. To be able to be caught up into the world of thought -- that is to be
educated."*

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds for book club sets

[Michael Schell]

Hi,

I'm wondering how other systems are dealing with book club sets, specifically 
if there is a way to allow book club sets to be put on hold for the future, say 
3-months in advance. I was looking at suspended holds but that doesn't seem to 
ensure the item will be available the week the book club wants the set. Ideas? 
Is this what the booking feature is for?

Thanks,

Michael Schell
Systems Administrator
Fort Erie Public Library
905-871-2546 x301
msch...@fepl.ca
http://www.fepl.ca

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Public libraries and digital content management

[Hardy, Elaine]

I thick Tracy's point is that public libraries tend not to have bib
records for their electronic journals in their ILSs so you have to search
in the separate database to find out if they have access to a specific
title rather than staying with the ILS, finding a title with an active
link to that database. Which, at least in Georgia, is true.

 

There are a variety of reasons for that lack, principally that public
libraries tend not to catalog their print magazines either. Public library
catalogers often are not trained to catalog serials and, for print
formats, only keep a year or so. Since electronic databases for journals
and magazines often include hundreds of titles, it is rare for cataloging
staff to have time to add the records and indicate holdings. 

 

While we would love to have each title in our ILSs, it just isn't always
practical given the small staffs in most tech services departments.

 

Elaine

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J. Elaine Hardy
PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235-7128
404.235-7201, fax
eha...@georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org/pines




From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Tara Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:16 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Public libraries and digital content
management

 

Hi,

 

I think you might be confusing two different things: making electronic
resources findable in the catalogue and the difference between an ILS and
an ERMS.

 

You can load MARC records that represent an electronic database, an ebook
title, a physical object, or whatever. Cataloguers can catalogue most
things. I think there are even MARC records that represent a set of bobble
head dolls. The ILS doesn't matter, you can load a MARC record for
Academic Search Premier into Polaris or into Evergreen.

 

An ILS and ERMS are different types of systems, designed to do different
things. 

*   ILS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system
(mostly tracks the physical collection)
*   ERMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Resource_Management_System (mostly
for electronic or online collections). An example of an open source ERMS
is CUFTS: http://researcher.sfu.ca/cufts

 

I've heard some folks say that the proprietary ILS market has shifted and
for many vendors the ILS is mostly cheap giveway where the vendor is
charging heftier fees is with the ERMS and discovery layer that might
integrate really well with the ILS,

 

ERMS are pretty common for academic libraries (who need to track where you
can get the full text of an article) and seem much less common in public
libraries.

 

It might be better to reply to the list so we can build on each other's
responses and so that this information is archived for the next person who
has a similar question.

 

Hope this helps,

Tara

 

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:37 AM, McPeck, Tracy L. 
wrote:

Hello- 

 

I am conducting a case study between a proprietary ILS (Polaris) and an
open source ILS (Evergreen) regarding electronic resource management in
the public library. I'd like to know if any Evergreen public libraries use
Evergreen (including add-ons) to manage database subscriptions and
findability for patrons.  I plan to compare the two systems and their
roles in managing electronic resources.  I am finding that public
libraries will often make their eBooks and eAudiobooks findable in the
ILS, but patrons must access the electronic databases separately to
discover the library's electronic journal holdings. I am hoping to find
examples of public libraries that use their ILS and associated add-ons to
make electronic journals holdings searchable in the catalog. Please email
me at tmcp...@pwcgov.org or tlmcp...@yahoo.com if you can help. 

 

Thanks in advance-

Tracy McPeck

Library Services Technician III, Youth Services

Central Community Library

8601 Mathis Avenue

Manassas, VA 20110

Prince William County Public Library System
 

 

 

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Where, oh where ...

[Donald Butterworth]

Hi everyone,

After years of wanting to experiment with Evergreen our IT dept has loaded
2.3 on a local server. True it's on a 7 year old Omnitech, with almost no
memory, that sits under the desk of our IT director on the other side of
campus. But, hey, it's *something*; and there is the promise of more to
follow once he's finished with a dSpace upgrade. I have a dream that two
years from now our current system with become a memory. Time will tell.

So ... now ... where do we start? We've downloaded the manual from the
website, but what I really need is the "Idiot's Guide to Getting Evergreen
Up and Running". The contents would look something like:

Welcome to Evergreen
DO THIS FIRST
Go here, do this. Then go here, and do that.
DO THIS SECOND!

You get the idea. Is there a document like this available anywhere? What
would be *exceedingly* helpful would be a Video Version of the Idiot's
Guide. It would be so much easier for some of us to watch how to get things
started. For example, it would help us greenhorn users avoid staring at the
screen for 30 minutes searching for the admin drop-down menu, which is on
the *top right* of the screen. Any chance that someone has made a try at
this?

Of course, much of Evergreen is quite intuitive for people who are used to
using an ILS. We were able to import a file of bib records without a crash
on our first try. But there are three things that we particularly need help
with at this point. What tag is used in a bib record to supply item data so
that when a bib record enters the system it automatically generates an item
record? And, what tag is used in a bib record to supply order data, so that
PO lines can be populated automatically? Where does one go to define the
subfields for these tags?

Thanks for your insights.

Don

Don Butterworth
Faculty Associate / Librarian III
B.L. Fisher Library
Asbury Theological Seminary
(859) 858-2227
don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu