Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Patrick Gardella]

I think we figured out what was going on.  The "Staff" group permissions
folder had it's parent record changed to itself. We changed the parent back
to what it was, based on our backup, and the permissions groups came back.

Patrick+
Asbury Seminary

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Jason Etheridge 
wrote:

> > Probably caused an infinite loop and exhausted memory.
>
> Worth noting this was a single server test system running everything
> including the database.  The kernel force killed apache and postgres
> because it was out of memory and those were juicy targets; on a more
> robust setup, the database would have been safe, and other parts of
> the cluster would have taken up the load.  But you could eventually
> bring down your system if there was no intervention.
>
> --
> Jason Etheridge
> | Community and Migration Manager
> | Equinox Software - Open Your Library
> | 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> | ja...@esilibrary.com
> | http://www.esilibrary.com
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Jason Etheridge]

> Probably caused an infinite loop and exhausted memory.

Worth noting this was a single server test system running everything
including the database.  The kernel force killed apache and postgres
because it was out of memory and those were juicy targets; on a more
robust setup, the database would have been safe, and other parts of
the cluster would have taken up the load.  But you could eventually
bring down your system if there was no intervention.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Jason Etheridge]

> On a test system, I made Staff a child of itself, and that prevented
> new logins for normal staff accounts, and made only patron groups
> visible in the patron editor for the admin account.

Oh, apparently, it also crashed PostgreSQL. :-)

Probably caused an infinite loop and exhausted memory.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Jason Etheridge]

>   Still, it should have been “impossible” for these to be deleted as a whole
> group since, as you say, the permissions themselves were actually assigned.
> Is it somehow possible in the staff client to make them not SEEN?   I’m just
> picking at straws here, trying to figure out the steps that led us here.

I believe the permission group editor (and the org unit editor, for
that matter) can be a foot-gun, in that it doesn't protect you from,
for example, creating loops in the group hierarchy.

On a test system, I made Staff a child of itself, and that prevented
new logins for normal staff accounts, and made only patron groups
visible in the patron editor for the admin account.

Something like this may be your problem, but I don't know.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Rogan Hamby]

There aren't visibility flags for hiding permission groups in the staff
client, no.

I can imagine something like a major hardware failure corrupting data and
perhaps doing this though it's unlikely.  With that said unlikely things
happen routinely somewhere with all the servers running in the world.

A person with database rights could certainly accomplish it but it would be
purely armchair theorizing with no evidence to say what a person might have
done.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> Yes.   Something very badly and horrible has gone wrong.Right now in
> our staff client, the Staff group is gone. To top that off, now the
> system is down and no one can get in.  People with more knowledge
> than I have are working on it and we are hopeful it will be back to normal
> soon.
>
>
>
>   Still, it should have been “impossible” for these to be deleted as a
> whole group since, as you say, the permissions themselves were actually
> assigned. Is it somehow possible in the staff client to make them not
> SEEN?   I’m just picking at straws here, trying to figure out the steps
> that led us here.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jennifer
>
> --
> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Inconceivability
> Kinlaw Library -  *Asbury University*
> One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269
> jlw...@asbury.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Rogan
> Hamby
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:54 PM
>
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?
>
>
>
> Hi Jennifer,
>
>
>
> With the caveat of anything is theoretically possible if an admin has done
> bizarre thing x, y and z 
>
>
>
> Generally Patrons will be a child of Users and it would be impossible to
> delete Users and Patrons still exist.  It's kind of like yanking the
> foundation out from under a building and the building not moving.
>
>
>
> You can certainly delete groups and permissions be in the system.
> Permission Groups and Permissions are totally separate things.  Permission
> Groups are a label, say Catalogers, that have Permissions associated with
> them.  However, permission groups have constraints against a number of
> other tables.  It would non-trivial to delete them if they are used in
> holds rules, circ rules, assigned the users/patrons, etc...
>
>
>
> I'm echoing Thomas a bit here but what you're describing sounds very
> unlikely.  What ever appears to be happening from the staff client level is
> most likely, at the very least, not the whole story.  If you don't have
> database level access to your system you need to contact someone who does
> to investigate what is happening.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
>
> Thomas,
>
>  Very interesting! And completely confusing. What I think you are
> saying is that it is possible to delete the GROUP, but meanwhile all the
> actual permissions are still in the system?
>
>   When evergreen was started, it has two main permission groups.
> Patrons and Users.Our patrons group is still there, but the whole group
> of Users is gone and as far as I can tell, so are the actual permission
> profiles that were under that group.Cataloger, Catalog Administrator,
> Circulation Administrator, Systems Administrator, etc.
>
>  It would seem to me that what you are saying makes sense, that of course
> you cannot delete the actual permission profile if there are users attached
> to that profile.   But is it possible to delete the whole group AND all the
> permission profiles underneath can go away?
>
>   Thanks!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Berezansky
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?
>
> All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system.
>
> Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned
> directly to a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group
> only assigned to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map
> table) would be possible.
>
> Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the
> permission.grp_tree table you would need to get the missing
> permission.grp_perm_map entries and permission.usr_grp_map entries.
>
> If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that
> something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you
> checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it
> isn't just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly?
>
> Thomas Berezansky
> Assistant Network Administrator
> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
> 4

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Walz, Jennifer]

All,

Yes.   Something very badly and horrible has gone wrong.Right now in our 
staff client, the Staff group is gone. To top that off, now the system is 
down and no one can get in.  People with more knowledge than I have 
are working on it and we are hopeful it will be back to normal soon.

  Still, it should have been “impossible” for these to be deleted as a whole 
group since, as you say, the permissions themselves were actually assigned. 
Is it somehow possible in the staff client to make them not SEEN?   I’m just 
picking at straws here, trying to figure out the steps that led us here.

Thanks!

Jennifer
--
Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Inconceivability
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University
One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
859-858-3511 ext. 2269
jlw...@asbury.edu



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan 
Hamby
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:54 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

Hi Jennifer,

With the caveat of anything is theoretically possible if an admin has done 
bizarre thing x, y and z 

Generally Patrons will be a child of Users and it would be impossible to delete 
Users and Patrons still exist.  It's kind of like yanking the foundation out 
from under a building and the building not moving.

You can certainly delete groups and permissions be in the system.  Permission 
Groups and Permissions are totally separate things.  Permission Groups are a 
label, say Catalogers, that have Permissions associated with them.  However, 
permission groups have constraints against a number of other tables.  It would 
non-trivial to delete them if they are used in holds rules, circ rules, 
assigned the users/patrons, etc...

I'm echoing Thomas a bit here but what you're describing sounds very unlikely.  
What ever appears to be happening from the staff client level is most likely, 
at the very least, not the whole story.  If you don't have database level 
access to your system you need to contact someone who does to investigate what 
is happening.




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Walz, Jennifer 
mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote:
Thomas,

 Very interesting! And completely confusing. What I think you are 
saying is that it is possible to delete the GROUP, but meanwhile all the actual 
permissions are still in the system?

  When evergreen was started, it has two main permission groups.Patrons and 
Users.Our patrons group is still there, but the whole group of Users is 
gone and as far as I can tell, so are the actual permission profiles that were 
under that group.Cataloger, Catalog Administrator, Circulation 
Administrator, Systems Administrator, etc.

 It would seem to me that what you are saying makes sense, that of course you 
cannot delete the actual permission profile if there are users attached to that 
profile.   But is it possible to delete the whole group AND all the permission 
profiles underneath can go away?

  Thanks!

Jennifer


-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org]
 On Behalf Of Thomas Berezansky
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system.

Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned directly to 
a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group only assigned 
to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map table) would be 
possible.

Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the permission.grp_tree 
table you would need to get the missing permission.grp_perm_map entries and 
permission.usr_grp_map entries.

If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that 
something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you 
checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it isn't 
just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly?

Thomas Berezansky
Assistant Network Administrator
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
4 High ST, Suite 175
North Andover, MA 01845
Phone: 978-557-8161

-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org]
 On Behalf Of Walz, Jennifer
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:54
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

All –



So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted?How is it 
that people can still login to the system?   Staff with “cataloger” permissions 
and “circ” permissions and so forth?   What

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Rogan Hamby]

Hi Jennifer,

With the caveat of anything is theoretically possible if an admin has done
bizarre thing x, y and z 

Generally Patrons will be a child of Users and it would be impossible to
delete Users and Patrons still exist.  It's kind of like yanking the
foundation out from under a building and the building not moving.

You can certainly delete groups and permissions be in the system.
Permission Groups and Permissions are totally separate things.  Permission
Groups are a label, say Catalogers, that have Permissions associated with
them.  However, permission groups have constraints against a number of
other tables.  It would non-trivial to delete them if they are used in
holds rules, circ rules, assigned the users/patrons, etc...

I'm echoing Thomas a bit here but what you're describing sounds very
unlikely.  What ever appears to be happening from the staff client level is
most likely, at the very least, not the whole story.  If you don't have
database level access to your system you need to contact someone who does
to investigate what is happening.




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:

> Thomas,
>
>  Very interesting! And completely confusing. What I think you are
> saying is that it is possible to delete the GROUP, but meanwhile all the
> actual permissions are still in the system?
>
>   When evergreen was started, it has two main permission groups.
> Patrons and Users.Our patrons group is still there, but the whole group
> of Users is gone and as far as I can tell, so are the actual permission
> profiles that were under that group.Cataloger, Catalog Administrator,
> Circulation Administrator, Systems Administrator, etc.
>
>  It would seem to me that what you are saying makes sense, that of course
> you cannot delete the actual permission profile if there are users attached
> to that profile.   But is it possible to delete the whole group AND all the
> permission profiles underneath can go away?
>
>   Thanks!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Berezansky
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?
>
> All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system.
>
> Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned
> directly to a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group
> only assigned to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map
> table) would be possible.
>
> Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the
> permission.grp_tree table you would need to get the missing
> permission.grp_perm_map entries and permission.usr_grp_map entries.
>
> If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that
> something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you
> checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it
> isn't just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly?
>
> Thomas Berezansky
> Assistant Network Administrator
> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
> 4 High ST, Suite 175
> North Andover, MA 01845
> Phone: 978-557-8161
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Walz,
> Jennifer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:54
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group  >
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?
>
> All –
>
>
>
> So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted?How
> is it that people can still login to the system?   Staff with “cataloger”
> permissions and “circ” permissions and so forth?   What happens when they
> try to login with that account?   Does evergreen ‘assign’ them some other
> type of permission? Our patron permissions group is fine.   Our staff
> group got obliterated.
>
>
>
> And how do you get the permissions all back?We have the server backed
> up.  Where do these reside and can you copy them back onto the current
> working server?   File location?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jennifer
>
> --
> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Insanity
> Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University
> One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269
> jlw...@asbury.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
--
Rogan R. Hamby, Data and Project Analyst
Equinox - Open Your Library
ro...@esilibrary.com
1-877-OPEN-ILS | www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Walz, Jennifer]

Thomas,

 Very interesting! And completely confusing. What I think you are 
saying is that it is possible to delete the GROUP, but meanwhile all the actual 
permissions are still in the system?

  When evergreen was started, it has two main permission groups.Patrons and 
Users.Our patrons group is still there, but the whole group of Users is 
gone and as far as I can tell, so are the actual permission profiles that were 
under that group.Cataloger, Catalog Administrator, Circulation 
Administrator, Systems Administrator, etc.

 It would seem to me that what you are saying makes sense, that of course you 
cannot delete the actual permission profile if there are users attached to that 
profile.   But is it possible to delete the whole group AND all the permission 
profiles underneath can go away?

  Thanks!

Jennifer


-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Thomas 
Berezansky
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system.

Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned directly to 
a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group only assigned 
to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map table) would be 
possible.

Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the permission.grp_tree 
table you would need to get the missing permission.grp_perm_map entries and 
permission.usr_grp_map entries.

If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that 
something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you 
checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it isn't 
just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly?

Thomas Berezansky
Assistant Network Administrator
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
4 High ST, Suite 175
North Andover, MA 01845
Phone: 978-557-8161

-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Walz, 
Jennifer
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:54
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

All –

 

So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted?How is it 
that people can still login to the system?   Staff with “cataloger” permissions 
and “circ” permissions and so forth?   What happens when they try to login with 
that account?   Does evergreen ‘assign’ them some other type of permission? 
Our patron permissions group is fine.   Our staff group got obliterated.  

 

And how do you get the permissions all back?We have the server backed up.  
Where do these reside and can you copy them back onto the current working 
server?   File location?  

 

Thanks!

 

Jennifer

-- 
Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Insanity 
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University 
One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 
859-858-3511 ext. 2269 
jlw...@asbury.edu

 

 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Can I run the staff client on the same system as the server?

[Rogan Hamby]

Absolutely.  Just point the staff client to the localhost.  I do this with
debian images regularly in virtual box if I'm running the staff client in
my host os doing something else.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jim Lynch  wrote:

> We're just getting started and I want to let some of the folks become
> familiar with things.  Our network isn't yet functional so I have a Ubuntu
> laptop I was thinking about putting both the server and a client on to let
> them test.
>
> Is that a reasonable thing to do?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim.
>



-- 
--
Rogan R. Hamby, Data and Project Analyst
Equinox - Open Your Library
ro...@esilibrary.com
1-877-OPEN-ILS | www.esilibrary.com

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Can I run the staff client on the same system as the server?

[Jim Lynch]

We're just getting started and I want to let some of the folks become 
familiar with things.  Our network isn't yet functional so I have a 
Ubuntu laptop I was thinking about putting both the server and a client 
on to let them test.


Is that a reasonable thing to do?

Thanks,
Jim.

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Justin Hopkins 📖]

I think I'd want to try it on this guy:

https://getchip.com/pages/chip

$9 + $10 VGA adapter

Justin

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joe Knueven  wrote:

> Also, because Evergreen’s implementation is so lightweight, you require
> only the most rudimentary of hardware to get started.
>
>
>
> For instance, our current selfcheck machine is an old thin client device
> with a usb stick plugged in for a hard drive, running Debian, LXDE and
> iceweasel for the interface.  It works really well for the purpose, and the
> cost of the “computer” comes in around $50 each via ebay.
>
>
>
> If you don’t mind using more electricity and having a larger system, any
> desktop build in last 15 years ought to work just as well.
>
>
>
> The only thing I plan to change soon with that setup is to get openkiosk
> installed in place of/on top of iceweasel and to switch out the keyboard,
> mouse and surplus monitor we are using for a large touch screen monitor.
>
>
>
> Long story short, not only is it there, but it’s awesome.  J
>
>
>
> Have a good day.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Knueven
>
> Director
>
> Germantown Public Library
>
> 51 N. Plum St.
>
> Germantown, OH 45327
>
> 937-855-4001
>
> j...@gtownlibrary.net
>
>
>



-- 
Regards,
Justin

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Joe Knueven]

Also, because Evergreen’s implementation is so lightweight, you require only 
the most rudimentary of hardware to get started.

For instance, our current selfcheck machine is an old thin client device with a 
usb stick plugged in for a hard drive, running Debian, LXDE and iceweasel for 
the interface.  It works really well for the purpose, and the cost of the 
“computer” comes in around $50 each via ebay.

If you don’t mind using more electricity and having a larger system, any 
desktop build in last 15 years ought to work just as well.

The only thing I plan to change soon with that setup is to get openkiosk 
installed in place of/on top of iceweasel and to switch out the keyboard, mouse 
and surplus monitor we are using for a large touch screen monitor.

Long story short, not only is it there, but it’s awesome.  ☺

Have a good day.

Joe


Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-855-4001
j...@gtownlibrary.net

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Thomas Berezansky]

All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system.

Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned directly to 
a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group only assigned 
to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map table) would be 
possible.

Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the permission.grp_tree 
table you would need to get the missing permission.grp_perm_map entries and 
permission.usr_grp_map entries.

If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that 
something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you 
checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it isn't 
just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly?

Thomas Berezansky
Assistant Network Administrator
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
4 High ST, Suite 175
North Andover, MA 01845
Phone: 978-557-8161

-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Walz, 
Jennifer
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:54
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

All –

 

So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted?How is it 
that people can still login to the system?   Staff with “cataloger” permissions 
and “circ” permissions and so forth?   What happens when they try to login with 
that account?   Does evergreen ‘assign’ them some other type of permission? 
Our patron permissions group is fine.   Our staff group got obliterated.  

 

And how do you get the permissions all back?We have the server backed up.  
Where do these reside and can you copy them back onto the current working 
server?   File location?  

 

Thanks!

 

Jennifer

-- 
Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Insanity 
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University 
One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 
859-858-3511 ext. 2269 
jlw...@asbury.edu

 

 

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted?

[Walz, Jennifer]

All –

So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted?How is it 
that people can still login to the system?   Staff with “cataloger” permissions 
and “circ” permissions and so forth?   What happens when they try to login with 
that account?   Does evergreen ‘assign’ them some other type of permission? 
Our patron permissions group is fine.   Our staff group got obliterated.

And how do you get the permissions all back?We have the server backed up.  
Where do these reside and can you copy them back onto the current working 
server?   File location?

Thanks!

Jennifer
--
Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Insanity
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University
One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
859-858-3511 ext. 2269
jlw...@asbury.edu

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Rules of Governance Taskforce

[Tim Spindler]

This is a reminder that the taskforce of the Oversight Board will be
meeting in IRC on Thursday at 3PM to discuss updating the conflict of
interest policy and review the rules of governance for Evergreen.

The taskforce consists of myself, Ruth Frasur, Garry Collum, Terran
McCanna, Mike Rylander, and Ron Gagnon.

Agenda

-Conflict of interest policy
--Necessary components of a policy
--Examples
https://opensource.org/conflict_of_interest_policy
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conflict_Of_Interest_Policy

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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Vince Giordano]

We have been using the self check feature for a few months now. The only
issue we had was receipts not printing. This was because popups were
blocked in Google Chrome. Make sure you unblock them and it will work
beautifully.


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> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:27:56 -0400
> From: Galen Charlton 
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> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Blocking renewal of items that are
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> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Jayaraj JR  wrote:
> > 1. What setting is to be done for blocking the renewal of overdue items
> > through TPAC
>
> You can configure a standing penalty to block renewal of overdue items
> -- in the staff client, go to Admin | Local Administration | Group
> Penalty Thresholds and add a PATRON_EXCEEDS_OVERDUE_COUNT threshold.
> Note that when testing this, you will need to open the patron in the
> staff client and use the refresh button to generate the penalty.
>
> > 2. What customization/ change is to be done for activating the Purchase
> > Request for books through TPAC. I have seen some Evergreen catalogs where
> > the link for suggesting book for library is displayed in TPAC
>
> At present, Evergreen does not support entering purchase requests from
> TPAC; they can be entered only via the staff client. I believe that
> libraries that have a purchase request link on their TPAC are
> typically just linking to an external form.
>
> Regards,
>
> Galen
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> Hi All
>
> Is there are a Self-Check component in Evergreen and if so is there anyone
> using it and how?
>
> Thanks
> Stuart
>
>
> ====
> Stuart Forrest PhD
> Library Systems Specialist
> Beaufort County Library
> 843 255 6450
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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Terran McCanna]

There is! One of the branches in PINES has been using it for about a year,
and several others are currently considering switching to it. I believe
they are setting it up in kiosk mode on a desktop (with keyboard, mouse,
barcode scanner, receipt printer) on or near the circ desk so that it can
be easily monitored if patrons need assistance. If you are using security
strips or locking cases, you'd also need to add unlocking pads/tools to the
workstation.

There are only a few settings to get it up and running - the only ones I
recall off the top of my head are a setting to enable it, and a setting to
determine whether you want to require a password or not. Once you enable
it, you get to it through the browser at:

https://yourdomain/eg/circ/selfcheck/main

You'll log in first as a staff account to set the workstation (similar to
the staff client) so then the URL you'd use for that machine's home page
will be something like:

https://yourdomain/eg/circ/selfcheck/main?ws=WORKSTATIONNAME

It's pretty simple - patrons can't do anything except check out books on
it. They can view/print their holds, items out, and bills, but they can't
take any actions on them.

There had been a few printing bugs, but I believe they are all fixed (as of
2.8 or 2.9?) There is a login bug that has a fix posted (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1528647) that still needs to be
tested before being considered for incorporation into master.


Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org


On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Forrest, Stuart  wrote:

> Hi All
>
>
>
> Is there are a Self-Check component in Evergreen and if so is there anyone
> using it and how?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Stuart Forrest PhD
>
> Library Systems Specialist
>
> Beaufort County Library
>
> 843 255 6450
>
> sforr...@bcgov.net
>
>
>
> http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
>
>
>
> For Leisure, For Learning, For Life
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Jane Sandberg]

Hi Stuart,

Evergreen does include a basic self-check component:
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.10/_self_checkout.html

It can also talk to more sophisticated self-check products via SIP2.
For example, some members of our consortium use Bibliotheca/3M's
products.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Forrest, Stuart  wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
>
> Is there are a Self-Check component in Evergreen and if so is there anyone
> using it and how?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> 
>
> Stuart Forrest PhD
>
> Library Systems Specialist
>
> Beaufort County Library
>
> 843 255 6450
>
> sforr...@bcgov.net
>
>
>
> http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
>
>
>
> For Leisure, For Learning, For Life
>
>
>
>



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[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Check

[Forrest, Stuart]

Hi All

Is there are a Self-Check component in Evergreen and if so is there anyone 
using it and how?

Thanks
Stuart


Stuart Forrest PhD
Library Systems Specialist
Beaufort County Library
843 255 6450
sforr...@bcgov.net

http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org

For Leisure, For Learning, For Life

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Blocking renewal of items that are overdue in TPAC

[Galen Charlton]

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Jayaraj JR  wrote:
> 1. What setting is to be done for blocking the renewal of overdue items
> through TPAC

You can configure a standing penalty to block renewal of overdue items
-- in the staff client, go to Admin | Local Administration | Group
Penalty Thresholds and add a PATRON_EXCEEDS_OVERDUE_COUNT threshold.
Note that when testing this, you will need to open the patron in the
staff client and use the refresh button to generate the penalty.

> 2. What customization/ change is to be done for activating the Purchase
> Request for books through TPAC. I have seen some Evergreen catalogs where
> the link for suggesting book for library is displayed in TPAC

At present, Evergreen does not support entering purchase requests from
TPAC; they can be entered only via the staff client. I believe that
libraries that have a purchase request link on their TPAC are
typically just linking to an external form.

Regards,

Galen
-- 
Galen Charlton
Infrastructure and Added Services Manager
Equinox Software, Inc. / Open Your Library
email:  g...@esilibrary.com
direct: +1 770-709-5581
cell:   +1 404-984-4366
skype:  gmcharlt
web:http://www.esilibrary.com/
Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
http://evergreen-ils.org