Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
Colleagues, Because there seems to be support for a read more OPAC feature, I have added the following Wishlist bug. Add a “read more” feature to the OPAC bib record view for fields with lots of text. https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1424815 In order to preserve a more compact, uniform display on the OPAC Record Detail screen, create a feature that limits the amount of text displayed in some fields; particularly in note fields such as Content Notes, and Summary Notes. When text exceeds the designated limit, hot text such as “read more” or View complete summary” or “View full contents” will appear which can be clicked on in order to expand and display the full text. Please feel free to add comments and suggestions Don On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, James Keenan jkee...@cwmars.org wrote: Thanks for sharing that, Michael. Jim Jim Keenan Library Applications Supervisor jkee...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 x23 C/W MARS 67 Millbrook St., Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 *P* *Save a tree! Please don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary.* Currently reading *Learning to Breathe Fire *by J.C. Herz. *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Schell *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:22 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor We have implemented a Read More feature in our test catalogue. Here is a link http://www.forterie.testenv.niagaraevergreen.ca/eg/opac/record/274558 to an example. It uses the lightweight jQuery plugin readmore.js from here https://github.com/jedfoster/Readmore.js, and is super easy to setup and has some great options. All it requires is that the [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] from the summary.tt2 be inside article tags like this: article [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] /article I'm sure there are a lot of ways that this could be done but it works for us. Michael Schell Systems Administrator Fort Erie Public Library 905-871-2546 x301 msch...@fepl.ca www.fepl.ca -open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org wrote: - To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org From: Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich Sent by: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org Date: 12/02/2014 04:59PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor On 2014-12-02, at 05:25 , Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. The feature sounds like a good idea. If implemented, consider using specific descriptive phrases like View complete summary” or “View full contents” instead of repeating the same link text multiple times on one page. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/ -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
Some comments on comments What would you think of taking the *... Read more* approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. It seems like there is general support for developing a ... Read more feature for all PACs. Jim indicated that it has already been requested for public library PAC. Perhaps this feature could be given a higher development priority. What do you think of eliminating the Place Hold option in the Actions (?) text box and making it a column in the copy/items list? Kathy comments: I would be hesitant to add a Place Hold for title-level holds in the copy/items list because I think it could lead to potential confusion among users. Currently, we already have a column to place volume/copy level holds from the copy/items list that, for most systems, is only viewable from the staff client, but I think it can be made visible to the public if you choose. If we add a place hold link for title-level holds, my concern is that users would think they are placing a hold on a specific copy or volume, not on any copy that is attached to that record. Don comments: The ability to place a hold at the item level is very important in the academic setting. Public libraries typically buy multiple copies of the same title, while academic libraries typically buy single copies of multiple titles. So generally speaking a title level hold meets academic needs. The rub comes with multi-volume titles; a very common occurrence in academic libraries. Apparently Item level holds are not turned on by default since they are not appearing as an option in our catalog. I would suggest that it be a default in an academic PAC, Kathy comments: FWIW, I personally like the current location of the action items. They seem to be easy to find if you need them without getting in the way of other content.The upper right corner is also where I typically find action items on other sites, such as Amazon. Don comments: Excellent point about the upper right corner action box. In the back of my mind I was using the F theory of webpage design, which is based on eye movement studies that show people first view the top line of a webpage, then follow the left column down a ways, then look again to the right part way down the page, and finally follow the left column to the bottom. Personally I still prefer action items under the cover art. Is it necessary to include available copies information in a separate area on the screen? Isn't the status column in the copy/items list sufficient? Kathy comments: The status column in the copy/items list may be sufficient for single libraries using Evergreen, but the available copies information becomes more useful for libraries in a consortium where the copy/items list can get somewhat long. Elizabeth comments: This might depend on how long the list of copies is likely to be. For a consortium, the list may be much longer than what is displayed by default, and for titles with many copies per library (more common for public library bestsellers) it's handy to be able to see at a glance whether or not there are any available copies of some titles. Don comments: It sounds like this feature is a prime candidate for an on/off toggle switch What would you think of eliminating the Shelf browser bar and simply make the call number in the item/copy list a hot link to the Browse Call Number index? Elizabeth comments: We don't display the Shelf Browser at all right now, but would not want the call number to be a hot link to the call number index. We had a lot of complaints about this on our previous system -- users would click through the search results to the bib/copy screen, see the call number as a link and click it, not realizing they had already reached their final destination. I am not sure what people expected -- full text or more detailed information about the location of the book, but it was definitely an issue. If anything, I'd want a link next to the call number that said something like Browse call numbers. Don comments: The theory behind this suggestion was just to simplify the display, but we certainly do not want to generate patron complaints! Perhaps this could be another on/off toggle option? On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: On 2014-12-02, at 05:25 , Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. The feature sounds like a good idea. If
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
We have implemented a Read More feature in our test catalogue. Here is a link to an example. It uses the lightweight jQuery plugin readmore.js from here, and is super easy to setup and has some great options. All it requires is that the [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] from the summary.tt2 be inside article tags like this: article [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] /article I'm sure there are a lot of ways that this could be done but it works for us. Michael Schell Systems Administrator Fort Erie Public Library 905-871-2546 x301 msch...@fepl.ca www.fepl.ca -open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org wrote: - To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org From: Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich Sent by: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org Date: 12/02/2014 04:59PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor On 2014-12-02, at 05:25 , Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. The feature sounds like a good idea. If implemented, consider using specific descriptive phrases like View complete summary#8221; or #8220;View full contents#8221; instead of repeating the same link text multiple times on one page. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
Thanks for sharing that, Michael. Jim Jim Keenan Library Applications Supervisor jkee...@cwmars.orgmailto:jkee...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 x23 C/W MARS 67 Millbrook St., Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 P Save a tree! Please don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary. Currently reading Learning to Breathe Fire by J.C. Herz. From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Michael Schell Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:22 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor We have implemented a Read More feature in our test catalogue. Here is a linkhttp://www.forterie.testenv.niagaraevergreen.ca/eg/opac/record/274558 to an example. It uses the lightweight jQuery plugin readmore.js from herehttps://github.com/jedfoster/Readmore.js, and is super easy to setup and has some great options. All it requires is that the [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] from the summary.tt2 be inside article tags like this: article [%- INCLUDE opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 %] /article I'm sure there are a lot of ways that this could be done but it works for us. Michael Schell Systems Administrator Fort Erie Public Library 905-871-2546 x301 msch...@fepl.camailto:msch...@fepl.ca www.fepl.cahttp://www.fepl.ca -open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:-open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org wrote: - To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org From: Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich Sent by: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org Date: 12/02/2014 04:59PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor On 2014-12-02, at 05:25 , Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edumailto:don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. The feature sounds like a good idea. If implemented, consider using specific descriptive phrases like View complete summary or View full contents instead of repeating the same link text multiple times on one page. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
Hi everyone, Here are some questions I have about the Academic PAC display. What would you think of taking the *... Read more* approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. What would you think of eliminating the Shelf browser bar and simply make the call number in the item/copy list a hot link to the Browse Call Number index? What do you think of making Contributor, Series, and Subject entries hot links to their respective Browse indexes? What do you think of having a MARC View tab instead of a MARC Record bar? What do you think of eliminating the Place Hold option in the Actions (?) text box and making it a column in the copy/items list? How about having tabs for Add to my list, Print, and Email, instead of having them in an Actions text box? Is it necessary to include available copies information in a separate area on the screen? Isn't the status column in the copy/items list sufficient? Whatchyathink? Don On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Walz, Jennifer jlw...@asbury.edu wrote: All - In general I will agree that more info from the record and less art or pretty stuff is wanted. However, all of that text in the mockup is pretty overwhelming on first glance. It would be nice if each section of large chunks of text were available, but not immediately viewable. I'm thinking of a drop down expanding box for each section. Much like the different views in Evergreen now: When the contents notes and summary are very long and open immediately on first view, the patron then has to scroll down quite a way to see the location information. Maybe the Location information could be further at the top of the screen? Other additional information that should be included right on the full record screen is the alternative formats – such as links to electronic copies and such. Generally though, I really like the layout of the markup version so far. Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Research Distance Services Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:47 PM To: Evergreen General Discussion List Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor Hi all, As you may recall, the Evergreen for Academics group sent out a survey to the Evergreen community earlier this fall asking academic libraries to prioritize development needs for Evergreen that are particularly relevant to academic libraries. An Academic PAC flavor rose to the top of priorities in that survey, and Yamil Suarez and I agreed to work with others on defining what an academic PAC might look like. Yamil created a wiki page at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:pac_academic_flavor where we can begin to gather these ideas together. Based on previous discussions on this topic, some ideas for what should be incorporated in an academic PAC are more fields displayed on the bib record and less overall art. Does everyone agree that both of these are elements of an academic PAC? Are there any other features you would like to see in an academic PAC? Which fields need to be added that aren't currently available in the default catalog? Feel free to edit the wiki page directly with your ideas or to send them in response to this thread. I'll make sure any ideas raised in this thread end up on the wiki page. Thanks! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier #evergreen IRC: kmlussier -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
“What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text?” I like this suggestion. This has been requested for the public library PAC as well. Jim Jim Keenan Library Applications Supervisor jkee...@cwmars.orgmailto:jkee...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 x23 C/W MARS 67 Millbrook St., Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 P Save a tree! Please don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary. Currently reading Learning to Breathe Fire by J.C. Herz. From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Donald Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 6:25 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor Hi everyone, Here are some questions I have about the Academic PAC display. What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. What would you think of eliminating the Shelf browser bar and simply make the call number in the item/copy list a hot link to the Browse Call Number index? What do you think of making Contributor, Series, and Subject entries hot links to their respective Browse indexes? What do you think of having a MARC View tab instead of a MARC Record bar? What do you think of eliminating the Place Hold option in the Actions (?) text box and making it a column in the copy/items list? How about having tabs for Add to my list, Print, and Email, instead of having them in an Actions text box? Is it necessary to include available copies information in a separate area on the screen? Isn't the status column in the copy/items list sufficient? Whatchyathink? Don On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Walz, Jennifer jlw...@asbury.edumailto:jlw...@asbury.edu wrote: All - In general I will agree that more info from the record and less art or pretty stuff is wanted. However, all of that text in the mockup is pretty overwhelming on first glance. It would be nice if each section of large chunks of text were available, but not immediately viewable. I'm thinking of a drop down expanding box for each section. Much like the different views in Evergreen now: [cid:image001.jpg@01D00E09.0C424AB0] When the contents notes and summary are very long and open immediately on first view, the patron then has to scroll down quite a way to see the location information. Maybe the Location information could be further at the top of the screen? Other additional information that should be included right on the full record screen is the alternative formats – such as links to electronic copies and such. Generally though, I really like the layout of the markup version so far. Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Research Distance Services Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269tel:859-858-3511%20ext.%202269 jlw...@asbury.edumailto:jlw...@asbury.edu -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:47 PM To: Evergreen General Discussion List Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor Hi all, As you may recall, the Evergreen for Academics group sent out a survey to the Evergreen community earlier this fall asking academic libraries to prioritize development needs for Evergreen that are particularly relevant to academic libraries. An Academic PAC flavor rose to the top of priorities in that survey, and Yamil Suarez and I agreed to work with others on defining what an academic PAC might look like. Yamil created a wiki page at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:pac_academic_flavor where we can begin to gather these ideas together. Based on previous discussions on this topic, some ideas for what should be incorporated in an academic PAC are more fields displayed on the bib record and less overall art. Does everyone agree that both of these are elements of an academic PAC? Are there any other features you would like to see in an academic PAC? Which fields need to be added that aren't currently available in the default catalog? Feel free to edit the wiki page directly with your ideas or to send them in response to this thread. I'll make sure any ideas raised in this thread end up on the wiki page. Thanks! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
On 12/2/2014 6:25 AM, Donald Butterworth wrote: What would you think of taking the _... Read more_ approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. We definitely want the ability to truncate long fields with a More link. We want this for long summary and contents notes, as well as historical material with really long titles. We want to be able select which fields to truncate, the length for each, and the text to use for the more link (which should have a separate class for styling.) We'd also like to specify whether to show the truncated or full version of the field in each context: the basic search results, the detailed search results, and the bib/copy page. This isn't really an academic issue for us, it's just a display issue, and we run into really long fields for all types of material. I also think it's only tangentially related to the issue of whether or not to put content behind bars, at least for us. We want this mostly for fields we consider important enough to display above the copy display, not for the things below that are typically tucked behind bars. (We don't use the bars except for the MARC display.) What would you think of eliminating the Shelf browser bar and simply make the call number in the item/copy list a hot link to the Browse Call Number index? We don't display the Shelf Browser at all right now, but would not want the call number to be a hot link to the call number index. We had a lot of complaints about this on our previous system -- users would click through the search results to the bib/copy screen, see the call number as a link and click it, not realizing they had already reached their final destination. I am not sure what people expected -- full text or more detailed information about the location of the book, but it was definitely an issue. If anything, I'd want a link next to the call number that said something like Browse call numbers. But I am assuming that the academic flavor would be something we could all customize like we do the current files. Is it necessary to include available copies information in a separate area on the screen? Isn't the status column in the copy/items list sufficient? This might depend on how long the list of copies is likely to be. For a consortium, the list may be much longer than what is displayed by default, and for titles with many copies per library (more common for public library bestsellers) it's handy to be able to see at a glance whether or not there are any available copies of some titles. -- Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange 26 Cherry Hill Drive Danvers MA 01923 E-mail: e...@noblenet.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
On 2014-12-02, at 05:25 , Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: What would you think of taking the ... Read more approach that Amazon uses for reviews and long text, for long notes and text? This eliminates the problem of clicking on a bar and finding it empty of content. It also would make it possible to keep the copy/item record data always visible on the screen without the need to scroll. The feature sounds like a good idea. If implemented, consider using specific descriptive phrases like View complete summary” or “View full contents” instead of repeating the same link text multiple times on one page. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
Hi all, As you may recall, the Evergreen for Academics group sent out a survey to the Evergreen community earlier this fall asking academic libraries to prioritize development needs for Evergreen that are particularly relevant to academic libraries. An Academic PAC flavor rose to the top of priorities in that survey, and Yamil Suarez and I agreed to work with others on defining what an academic PAC might look like. Yamil created a wiki page at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:pac_academic_flavor where we can begin to gather these ideas together. Based on previous discussions on this topic, some ideas for what should be incorporated in an academic PAC are more fields displayed on the bib record and less overall art. Does everyone agree that both of these are elements of an academic PAC? Are there any other features you would like to see in an academic PAC? Which fields need to be added that aren't currently available in the default catalog? Feel free to edit the wiki page directly with your ideas or to send them in response to this thread. I'll make sure any ideas raised in this thread end up on the wiki page. Thanks! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier #evergreen IRC: kmlussier
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor
All - In general I will agree that more info from the record and less art or pretty stuff is wanted. However, all of that text in the mockup is pretty overwhelming on first glance. It would be nice if each section of large chunks of text were available, but not immediately viewable. I'm thinking of a drop down expanding box for each section. Much like the different views in Evergreen now: [cid:image003.jpg@01D00D80.A2F032D0] When the contents notes and summary are very long and open immediately on first view, the patron then has to scroll down quite a way to see the location information. Maybe the Location information could be further at the top of the screen? Other additional information that should be included right on the full record screen is the alternative formats - such as links to electronic copies and such. Generally though, I really like the layout of the markup version so far. Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Research Distance Services Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:47 PM To: Evergreen General Discussion List Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Academic PAC flavor Hi all, As you may recall, the Evergreen for Academics group sent out a survey to the Evergreen community earlier this fall asking academic libraries to prioritize development needs for Evergreen that are particularly relevant to academic libraries. An Academic PAC flavor rose to the top of priorities in that survey, and Yamil Suarez and I agreed to work with others on defining what an academic PAC might look like. Yamil created a wiki page at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:pac_academic_flavor where we can begin to gather these ideas together. Based on previous discussions on this topic, some ideas for what should be incorporated in an academic PAC are more fields displayed on the bib record and less overall art. Does everyone agree that both of these are elements of an academic PAC? Are there any other features you would like to see in an academic PAC? Which fields need to be added that aren't currently available in the default catalog? Feel free to edit the wiki page directly with your ideas or to send them in response to this thread. I'll make sure any ideas raised in this thread end up on the wiki page. Thanks! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.orgmailto:kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier #evergreen IRC: kmlussier