Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
A little history -- when Evergreen was developed, we had a number of library systems that loaned collections to their branch libraries for a set time period. They retained ownership but allowed the items to circulate from and reside at the branch library. After the time period was over, the collection would either move to another branch library or return to the owning library. Not really floating since the collection would stay for months at a library and not change at check in. At the time, no PINES library had a floating collection in the true sense but Evergreen needed to accomodate a moving collection -- hence the circulating library can be set differently from the owning library in item attributes. J. Elaine Hardy, PINES and Collaborative Projects Manager -- Georgia Public Library Service 2872 Woodcock Blvd., Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30341 (404) 235-7128 | eha...@georgialibraries.org (404) 548-4241 | Cell <https://www.facebook.com/georgialibraries> <https://www.twitter.com/georgialibs> Join our email list <http://georgialibraries.org/subscription> for stories of Georgia libraries making an impact in our communities. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM Forrest, Stuart wrote: > So I am presuming then that the Owning library is the one that owns the > bib record, for the sake of a better term and the circulating library is > the one that owns the copy. The checkout library is the one that circulates > the copy? > > > > Our owning library is set to BCL and the circulating libraries are set to > the individual branches, BCL-BEA, BCL-BLU, etc… > > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Goben, > Anna > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:15 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at > helpd...@bcgov.net or to 843-255-7000. > > We use Checkout Library for reporting outputs as that’s captured with the > circ data. Circulating Library is an item attribute and does not change > without cataloger intervention. > > > > -Anna > > > > Anna Goben > > Evergreen Indiana Coordinator > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N Senate Ave > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > 317-234-6624 > > Fax: 317-232-1925 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [ > mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Forrest, > Stuart > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:04 AM > *To:* Group, Evergreen > *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Hi > > > > This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to > compute! > > > > So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library > of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being > fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so > that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or > would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all > circulations at ‘LibraryB’ > > > > Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. > > > > Thanks > > Much > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org=E,1,VioeHecvOuSwMguelV45SbySHGcWHWDewb0CO9K10-SAOgh6AAy4TFwi4jAvDVDSju3XYfdK0pJoJ87XhUU6KQPSPjQJhpCoCds0qjGHOJF0qA7DvkH6Rw,,=1> > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Hello Stuart, The checkout circ_lib gets set to the org unit of the workstation that performs the checkout. So in your example, the checkout circ_lib = LibraryB. The copy circ_lib and owning_lib can tell you where the copy is from, so you can also report where the copies came from in your reports. We use floating, so our copy circ_libs change when a copy lands at another branch that it floats to, but the copy owning_lib stays as the original location the copy was assigned to. Josh On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:11 AM Forrest, Stuart wrote: > Hi > > > > This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to > compute! > > > > So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library > of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being > fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so > that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or > would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all > circulations at ‘LibraryB’ > > > > Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. > > > > Thanks > > Much > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > -- Josh Stompro - IT Director Lake Agassiz Regional Library Desk: 218-233-3757 Ext 139 Cell: 218-790-2110
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Just to over-specify a little bit, here’s some db field names and what they’re called in the client and why that can be confusing: asset.call_number.owning_lib - Owning Library. The branch that purchased the item (usually). This one is set at cataloging time and doesn’t change unless done manually. asset.copy.circ_lib - Circulating Library. The library where the item is normally kept. This is frequently the same as the call number owning library, but if you have Floating enabled it may change to the checkin library when it’s circulated. action.circulation.circ_lib - Checkout / Renewal Library. Used to also be called Circulating Library! Reusing that name has caused some confusion with reporting in the past. This is the library that checked out the item to a user, regardless of the value of the item’s circ_lib field. This is the one you want to filter on for circ reports to determine what items passed over your desk(s) regardless of where they may have came from. So, to get back to Stuart’s original question, the Checkout / Renewal Library from the Circulation source is probably what you want if you want to count circs at your location(s) regardless of where the item came from. More filtering can be done on the item Circulating Library field for things like how many of your own items circ to your users vs items from elsewhere, and how many of your items circ elsewhere in a consortium, etc. Jason -- Jason Boyer Senior System Administrator Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: +1 (877) Open-ILS (673-6457) email: jbo...@equinoxinitiative.org web: https://EquinoxInitiative.org/ > On Mar 4, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Kate Coleman wrote: > > Ruth, I didn't even think of that! Thanks! Going back and looking at those > libraries that do that, they do in fact have it defaulted to whatever they > put in the Owning Library field. > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769 > kcole...@jeffcolib.org <mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:07 AM Frasur, Ruth <mailto:rfra...@library.in.gov>> wrote: > Attributes that aren’t set in templates or edited use defaults set up in > library settings and other places. > > > > Ruth Frasur > > Evergreen Development and Support Administrator > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N. Senate Ave. > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > (317) 460-7556 > > > > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org > <mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of > Kate Coleman > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:04 AM > To: Evergreen Discussion Group <mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or > click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > > Rogan and all, > > > > The screenshot below is what I mean. We have libraries in our consortium that > do this at this time and I'm wondering if it will cause issues. It certainly > seems like it would cause statistical issues, but maybe some others as well? > > > > > > > > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769 > kcole...@jeffcolib.org <mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:55 AM Rogan Hamby <mailto:rha...@equinoxinitiative.org>> wrote: > > Hi Kate, > > > > If I'm undestanding your question correctly it's not possible. The > circulating library is an item attribute and requires an org unit id or it > can't save the entry in the database. The owning library as others have > noted is a volume / call number attribute and has the same restriciton to not > allow null values. > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:46 AM Kate Coleman <mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org>> wrote: > > Speaking of brains unwilling to compute... > > > > If a multi-branch system (which additionally belongs to a large consortium) > chooses to only use the owning library section for their items and leave the > circulating library blank, are their negative repercussions for that? > > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Stuart, For reporting, it might not always be as cut and dry as all that. Depending on what source you’re using, the label might be different. And it might be used in different places and mean different things there. It would be good to set up a test where you already know the answer to make sure you’ve picked the right filters for your report. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Development and Support Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N. Senate Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Thanks, Rogan, Starting to get clearer. The main reason for the questions was reporting. If a hold is transitted to another library and a circ report is run. If I filter by Circulation Library of the receiving branch, who gets the circ count or would I be better off using Checkout Library in the report? Sorry, my brain is fuddled today. Thanks Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:03 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. Hi Stuart, To echo Anna, the owning library is an attibute of the volume / call number while the circulating library of the item is going to be the branch the item actually lives at. If you use floating collections this can change without staff intervention but otherwise someone would have to change the circulating library. This distinction between circulating and owning library is often confusing as the owning library trait doesn't have a lot of obvious impact for end users so it seems redundant and confusing. It's not actually redundant but that's a whole other story, it certainly is confusing to many as you're finding it. The neither has nothing to do with the bib other than the volume connects to it but it in part has an owning library so that owning attributes don't have to be associated with the bib in a consortium where bibs are shared. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:29 AM Goben, Anna mailto:ago...@library.in.gov>> wrote: The Owning Library owns the call number. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:25 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. So I am presuming then that the Owning library is the one that owns the bib record, for the sake of a better term and the circulating library is the one that owns the copy. The checkout library is the one that circulates the copy? Our owning library is set to BCL and the circulating libraries are set to the individual branches, BCL-BEA, BCL-BLU, etc… Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org=E,1,1RP0rgVkwbDdsmP77lrf0_QMlfuWe8uBYR6QAqFI8FtaGfZTl6dhG-5z-08sJYUz0M1MngYiaLOFrc_tgCjw73fpKJgK7aVOeEDerpgoNUlxvcVEP0U,=1> From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Goben, Anna Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any sus
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Thanks, Rogan, Starting to get clearer. The main reason for the questions was reporting. If a hold is transitted to another library and a circ report is run. If I filter by Circulation Library of the receiving branch, who gets the circ count or would I be better off using Checkout Library in the report? Sorry, my brain is fuddled today. Thanks Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:03 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. Hi Stuart, To echo Anna, the owning library is an attibute of the volume / call number while the circulating library of the item is going to be the branch the item actually lives at. If you use floating collections this can change without staff intervention but otherwise someone would have to change the circulating library. This distinction between circulating and owning library is often confusing as the owning library trait doesn't have a lot of obvious impact for end users so it seems redundant and confusing. It's not actually redundant but that's a whole other story, it certainly is confusing to many as you're finding it. The neither has nothing to do with the bib other than the volume connects to it but it in part has an owning library so that owning attributes don't have to be associated with the bib in a consortium where bibs are shared. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:29 AM Goben, Anna mailto:ago...@library.in.gov>> wrote: The Owning Library owns the call number. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:25 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. So I am presuming then that the Owning library is the one that owns the bib record, for the sake of a better term and the circulating library is the one that owns the copy. The checkout library is the one that circulates the copy? Our owning library is set to BCL and the circulating libraries are set to the individual branches, BCL-BEA, BCL-BLU, etc… Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org=E,1,1RP0rgVkwbDdsmP77lrf0_QMlfuWe8uBYR6QAqFI8FtaGfZTl6dhG-5z-08sJYUz0M1MngYiaLOFrc_tgCjw73fpKJgK7aVOeEDerpgoNUlxvcVEP0U,=1> From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Goben, Anna Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. We use Checkout Library for reporting outputs as that’s captured with the circ data. Circulating Library is an item attribute and does not change without cataloger intervention. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Ruth, I didn't even think of that! Thanks! Going back and looking at those libraries that do that, they do in fact have it defaulted to whatever they put in the Owning Library field. Kate Coleman Jefferson County Library - Central Services Technical Services Specialist 5678 State Rd. PP High Ridge, MO 63049 636-677-8689 Fax: 636--677-1769 kcole...@jeffcolib.org On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:07 AM Frasur, Ruth wrote: > Attributes that aren’t set in templates or edited use defaults set up in > library settings and other places. > > > > Ruth Frasur > > *Evergreen Development and Support Administrator* > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N. Senate Ave. > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > (317) 460-7556 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Kate > Coleman > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:04 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Rogan and all, > > > > The screenshot below is what I mean. We have libraries in our consortium > that do this at this time and I'm wondering if it will cause issues. It > certainly seems like it would cause statistical issues, but maybe some > others as well? > > > > [image: OWNING VS CIRC LIB.png] > > > > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769 > kcole...@jeffcolib.org > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:55 AM Rogan Hamby > wrote: > > Hi Kate, > > > > If I'm undestanding your question correctly it's not possible. The > circulating library is an item attribute and requires an org unit id or it > can't save the entry in the database. The owning library as others have > noted is a volume / call number attribute and has the same restriciton to > not allow null values. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:46 AM Kate Coleman > wrote: > > Speaking of brains unwilling to compute... > > > > If a multi-branch system (which additionally belongs to a large > consortium) chooses to only use the owning library section for their items > and leave the circulating library blank, are their negative repercussions > for that? > > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769 > kcole...@jeffcolib.org > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:18 AM Frasur, Ruth > wrote: > > Stuart, > > > > The “circulation library” is the library that owns the material. This > doesn’t change (unless someone cedes ownership). The “checkout/renew > library” is the library that is circulating that item at any given moment. > The labeling for libraries is confusing. > > > > Ruth Frasur > > *Evergreen Development and Support Administrator* > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N. Senate Ave. > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > (317) 460-7556 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Forrest, > Stuart > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM > *To:* Group, Evergreen > *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Hi > > > > This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to > compute! > > > > So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library > of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being > fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so > that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or > would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all > circulations at ‘LibraryB’ > > > > Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. > > > > Thanks > > Much > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Attributes that aren’t set in templates or edited use defaults set up in library settings and other places. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Development and Support Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N. Senate Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kate Coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:04 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Rogan and all, The screenshot below is what I mean. We have libraries in our consortium that do this at this time and I'm wondering if it will cause issues. It certainly seems like it would cause statistical issues, but maybe some others as well? [OWNING VS CIRC LIB.png] Kate Coleman Jefferson County Library - Central Services Technical Services Specialist 5678 State Rd. PP High Ridge, MO 63049 636-677-8689 Fax: 636--677-1769 kcole...@jeffcolib.org<mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org> [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download=0B9TS4tJXQ3d3UkpzRGVsWm5rZTQ=0B9TS4tJXQ3d3V2RnZFBpZUZyTHQyblpZdGM3bjlrdTVSdVhRPQ] On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:55 AM Rogan Hamby mailto:rha...@equinoxinitiative.org>> wrote: Hi Kate, If I'm undestanding your question correctly it's not possible. The circulating library is an item attribute and requires an org unit id or it can't save the entry in the database. The owning library as others have noted is a volume / call number attribute and has the same restriciton to not allow null values. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:46 AM Kate Coleman mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org>> wrote: Speaking of brains unwilling to compute... If a multi-branch system (which additionally belongs to a large consortium) chooses to only use the owning library section for their items and leave the circulating library blank, are their negative repercussions for that? Kate Coleman Jefferson County Library - Central Services Technical Services Specialist 5678 State Rd. PP High Ridge, MO 63049 636-677-8689 Fax: 636--677-1769 kcole...@jeffcolib.org<mailto:kcole...@jeffcolib.org> [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download=0B9TS4tJXQ3d3UkpzRGVsWm5rZTQ=0B9TS4tJXQ3d3V2RnZFBpZUZyTHQyblpZdGM3bjlrdTVSdVhRPQ] On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:18 AM Frasur, Ruth mailto:rfra...@library.in.gov>> wrote: Stuart, The “circulation library” is the library that owns the material. This doesn’t change (unless someone cedes ownership). The “checkout/renew library” is the library that is circulating that item at any given moment. The labeling for libraries is confusing. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Development and Support Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N. Senate Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at ‘LibraryB’ Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<http://beaufortcountylibrary.org>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Hi Kate, If I'm undestanding your question correctly it's not possible. The circulating library is an item attribute and requires an org unit id or it can't save the entry in the database. The owning library as others have noted is a volume / call number attribute and has the same restriciton to not allow null values. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:46 AM Kate Coleman wrote: > Speaking of brains unwilling to compute... > > If a multi-branch system (which additionally belongs to a large > consortium) chooses to only use the owning library section for their items > and leave the circulating library blank, are their negative repercussions > for that? > > > Kate Coleman > Jefferson County Library - Central Services > Technical Services Specialist > 5678 State Rd. PP > High Ridge, MO 63049 > 636-677-8689 > Fax: 636--677-1769 > kcole...@jeffcolib.org > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:18 AM Frasur, Ruth > wrote: > >> Stuart, >> >> >> >> The “circulation library” is the library that owns the material. This >> doesn’t change (unless someone cedes ownership). The “checkout/renew >> library” is the library that is circulating that item at any given moment. >> The labeling for libraries is confusing. >> >> >> >> Ruth Frasur >> >> *Evergreen Development and Support Administrator* >> >> Indiana State Library >> >> 140 N. Senate Ave. >> >> Indianapolis, IN 46204 >> >> (317) 460-7556 >> >> >> >> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: >> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Forrest, >> Stuart >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM >> *To:* Group, Evergreen >> *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question >> >> >> >> This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments >> or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. >> -- >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to >> compute! >> >> >> >> So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library >> of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being >> fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so >> that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or >> would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all >> circulations at ‘LibraryB’ >> >> >> >> Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Much >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System >> >> 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 >> >> 843 255 6450 >> >> sforr...@bcgov.net >> >> beaufortcountylibrary.org >> >> >> >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Speaking of brains unwilling to compute... If a multi-branch system (which additionally belongs to a large consortium) chooses to only use the owning library section for their items and leave the circulating library blank, are their negative repercussions for that? Kate Coleman Jefferson County Library - Central Services Technical Services Specialist 5678 State Rd. PP High Ridge, MO 63049 636-677-8689 Fax: 636--677-1769 kcole...@jeffcolib.org On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:18 AM Frasur, Ruth wrote: > Stuart, > > > > The “circulation library” is the library that owns the material. This > doesn’t change (unless someone cedes ownership). The “checkout/renew > library” is the library that is circulating that item at any given moment. > The labeling for libraries is confusing. > > > > Ruth Frasur > > *Evergreen Development and Support Administrator* > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N. Senate Ave. > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > (317) 460-7556 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Forrest, > Stuart > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM > *To:* Group, Evergreen > *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Hi > > > > This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to > compute! > > > > So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library > of ‘LibraryA’ is then transitted to ‘LibraryB’ where the hold is being > fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to ‘LibraryB’ so > that library gets the circulation? I’m thinking of circ reports now. Or > would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all > circulations at ‘LibraryB’ > > > > Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. > > > > Thanks > > Much > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
The Owning Library owns the call number. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:25 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. So I am presuming then that the Owning library is the one that owns the bib record, for the sake of a better term and the circulating library is the one that owns the copy. The checkout library is the one that circulates the copy? Our owning library is set to BCL and the circulating libraries are set to the individual branches, BCL-BEA, BCL-BLU, etc... Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Goben, Anna Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. We use Checkout Library for reporting outputs as that's captured with the circ data. Circulating Library is an item attribute and does not change without cataloger intervention. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of 'LibraryA' is then transitted to 'LibraryB' where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to 'LibraryB' so that library gets the circulation? I'm thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at 'LibraryB' Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org=E,1,VioeHecvOuSwMguelV45SbySHGcWHWDewb0CO9K10-SAOgh6AAy4TFwi4jAvDVDSju3XYfdK0pJoJ87XhUU6KQPSPjQJhpCoCds0qjGHOJF0qA7DvkH6Rw,,=1>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
So I am presuming then that the Owning library is the one that owns the bib record, for the sake of a better term and the circulating library is the one that owns the copy. The checkout library is the one that circulates the copy? Our owning library is set to BCL and the circulating libraries are set to the individual branches, BCL-BEA, BCL-BLU, etc... Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Goben, Anna Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. We use Checkout Library for reporting outputs as that's captured with the circ data. Circulating Library is an item attribute and does not change without cataloger intervention. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of 'LibraryA' is then transitted to 'LibraryB' where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to 'LibraryB' so that library gets the circulation? I'm thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at 'LibraryB' Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org=E,1,VioeHecvOuSwMguelV45SbySHGcWHWDewb0CO9K10-SAOgh6AAy4TFwi4jAvDVDSju3XYfdK0pJoJ87XhUU6KQPSPjQJhpCoCds0qjGHOJF0qA7DvkH6Rw,,=1>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
We use Checkout Library for reporting outputs as that's captured with the circ data. Circulating Library is an item attribute and does not change without cataloger intervention. -Anna Anna Goben Evergreen Indiana Coordinator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-234-6624 Fax: 317-232-1925 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of 'LibraryA' is then transitted to 'LibraryB' where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to 'LibraryB' so that library gets the circulation? I'm thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at 'LibraryB' Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Stuart, The "circulation library" is the library that owns the material. This doesn't change (unless someone cedes ownership). The "checkout/renew library" is the library that is circulating that item at any given moment. The labeling for libraries is confusing. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Development and Support Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N. Senate Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM To: Group, Evergreen Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of 'LibraryA' is then transitted to 'LibraryB' where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to 'LibraryB' so that library gets the circulation? I'm thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at 'LibraryB' Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds / Circulation question
Hi This may sound a simple question to some, but my brain seems unwilling to compute! So if a book that has been placed on hold that has a Circulating Library of 'LibraryA' is then transitted to 'LibraryB' where the hold is being fulfilled. Does the circulating library temporarily change to 'LibraryB' so that library gets the circulation? I'm thinking of circ reports now. Or would it be better to use Checkout Library instead to capture all circulations at 'LibraryB' Hopes this makes sense to someone as I am not quite understanding it. Thanks Much Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org
